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Title: Guys how to pronounce the word "flour"?
Post by: rassel on May 17, 2008, 09:08:52 AM
Hai im a malaysian and wanna ask all the user from here how to pronounce the word flour?(This is out-topic)

Which one is correct?
1.Some said the word flour is pronounce as flower/flo-ur-two sound.

2.Some said the word flour is pronounce as flour-one sound.

 ??? ???

Thanks
Title: Re: Guys how to pronounce the word "flour"?
Post by: FreewheelinFrank on May 17, 2008, 09:38:59 AM
It would be a good idea for you to learn phonetic spelling because this can help with pronunciation. In a good dictionary, the phonetic spelling is given, along with an indication of stress in words of more than one syllable.

This word shows the necessity for such spelling, because the word is pronounced in exactly the same way as another word, and without the phonetic spelling, you might think the pronunciation was different. The other word is flower, of course!

flour /flaʊə/
flower /flaʊə/

Both words have two syllables, and the second syllable is stressed.

/f/ as in fast
/l/ as in leg
/aʊ/ (the diphong) as in cow
/ə/ (the weak vowel) as in computer (/kəmpju:tə/)

/fl/ as in flight
/aʊə/ as in our

/fl aʊə/
/flaʊə/ flour or flower

EDIT:

http://dictionary.cambridge.org/help/phonetics.htm (http://dictionary.cambridge.org/help/phonetics.htm)
Title: Re: Guys how to pronounce the word "flour"?
Post by: rassel on May 17, 2008, 09:54:20 AM
So well it is actually pronounced as flower?
Title: Re: Guys how to pronounce the word "flour"?
Post by: Vladimyr on May 17, 2008, 10:31:33 AM
Yes, they are homophones.
Title: Re: Guys how to pronounce the word "flour"?
Post by: FreewheelinFrank on May 17, 2008, 10:35:56 AM
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So well it is actually pronounced as flower?

That assumes you are pronouncing flower correctly, which is why the phonetic spelling is so important!

There may be very subtle differences in some counties/regions, but the difference is going to test your ears!

Try comparing on these pages:

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/flour (http://www.thefreedictionary.com/flour)
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/flower (http://www.thefreedictionary.com/flower)

Sound: American and British English.

http://dictionary.cambridge.org/define.asp?key=29835&dict=CALD (http://dictionary.cambridge.org/define.asp?key=29835&dict=CALD)
http://dictionary.cambridge.org/define.asp?key=29855&dict=CALD (http://dictionary.cambridge.org/define.asp?key=29855&dict=CALD)

Phonetic: American and British English.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/flour (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/flour)
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/flower (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/flower)

Phonetics and sound, American English.

Title: Re: Guys how to pronounce the word "flour"?
Post by: Vladimyr on May 17, 2008, 11:09:48 AM
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So well it is actually pronounced as flower?

That assumes you are pronouncing flower correctly, which is why the phonetic spelling is so important!

Correctly! LOL  ::)
 Frank, When it comes to pronunciation, correct English is definitely an oxymoron!  ;D ;D

Title: Re: Guys how to pronounce the word "flour"?
Post by: FreewheelinFrank on May 17, 2008, 11:23:29 AM
Indeed. The 'correct' pronunciation depends on who you are, where you are, and even how fast you are speaking, as English is a stress timed language (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stress-timed_language).

The point I was intending to make was that if you're pronouncing flower like flow, for example, then pronouncing flower as flow-er would be incorrect anywhere and for anybody- a point I'm sure you appreciate already.  ;)

Title: Re: Guys how to pronounce the word "flour"?
Post by: rassel on May 17, 2008, 11:48:51 AM
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The point I was intending to make was that if you're pronouncing flower like flow, for example, then pronouncing flower as flow-er would be incorrect anywhere and for anybody- a point I'm sure you appreciate already

hey i learn again. I thought the word flower is pronounce as flar-wer but it is actually pronounce as flow-er.

Thanks Frank
Title: Re: Guys how to pronounce the word "flour"?
Post by: Vladimyr on May 17, 2008, 12:02:30 PM
The point I was intending to make was that if you're pronouncing flower like flow, for example, then pronouncing flower as flow-er would be incorrect anywhere and for anybody- a point I'm sure you appreciate already.  ;)


You're absolutely right and I do appreciate your effort. I just couldn't resist the opportunity.

This book (http://books.google.com.au/books?id=13SyhqA6R28C&dq=divided+by+a+common+language&pg=PP1&ots=ImKfU5B-be&sig=w1Ts6cfHSBcdMNFzUMobgIS-QUE&hl=en&prev=http://www.google.com.au/search%3Fhl%3Den%26safe%3Doff%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26hs%3DgAJ%26sa%3DX%26oi%3Dspell%26resnum%3D0%26ct%3Dresult%26cd%3D1%26q%3Ddivided%2Bby%2Ba%2Bcommon%2Blanguage%26spell%3D1&sa=X&oi=print&ct=title&cad=one-book-with-thumbnail) might also be helpful, though I don't know if he has anything to say about Australian English.  :-\
Title: Re: Guys how to pronounce the word "flour"?
Post by: FreewheelinFrank on May 17, 2008, 12:04:24 PM
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it is actually pronounce as flow-er.

Just make sure that's /flaʊə/ and not /fləʊə/  ;)
Title: Re: Guys how to pronounce the word "flour"?
Post by: Marc57 on May 17, 2008, 07:13:22 PM
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/flour

Click on the audio. ( The little speaker)
Title: Re: Guys how to pronounce the word "flour"?
Post by: micky77 on May 17, 2008, 07:30:01 PM
Who ever said the off topic category was closed  ::) Isn't this suppose to be an anti virus forum. :o   
Title: Re: Guys how to pronounce the word "flour"?
Post by: FreewheelinFrank on May 17, 2008, 07:41:17 PM
Ssssh!
Title: Re: Guys how to pronounce the word "flour"?
Post by: polonus on May 17, 2008, 08:13:49 PM
Hi FwF,

More interesting would be to come up with the different pronunciations of the word garage, see this link:
http://www.usingenglish.com/forum/pronunciation-phonetics/15168-correct-pronunciation-word-garage.html
I would say: "Is 'Garage' pronounced 'Ga-ridge' or a softer 'Ga-rah-ge.'" If you take it from French I would opt for the latter version. How do you pronounce it in your gibberish?

polonus
Title: Re: Guys how to pronounce the word "flour"?
Post by: FreewheelinFrank on May 17, 2008, 09:13:53 PM
If you park your car yourself, rather than having your driver do it, Ga-ridge: Ga-rah-ge is very posh.
Title: Re: Guys how to pronounce the word "flour"?
Post by: bob3160 on May 18, 2008, 02:33:37 AM
Frank,
Where I live it's Ga-rah-ge  even if you park your own car.  ;D
Title: Re: Guys how to pronounce the word "flour"?
Post by: FreewheelinFrank on May 18, 2008, 09:44:33 AM
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Frank,
Where I live it's Ga-rah-ge  even if you park your own car.

Ga-ridge or Ga-rah-ge is a British distinction: on the other side of the pond it's guh-rahzh or guh-rahj, according to the dictionaries.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/garage (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/garage)

US /gəˈrɑ:ʒ/ /gəˈrɑ:dʒ/
UK /gærɪdʒ/ /gærɑ:ʒ/

Sung to the tune of...
Title: Re: Guys how to pronounce the word "flour"?
Post by: rassel on May 19, 2008, 05:41:01 AM
Guys how about avast?

Is pronounced as a-vest or a-vast?
Title: Re: Guys how to pronounce the word "flour"?
Post by: Vladimyr on May 19, 2008, 06:41:32 AM
"avast" (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/avast)  Of course the speaker has an American accent  ::)
Title: Re: Guys how to pronounce the word "flour"?
Post by: rassel on May 19, 2008, 07:38:37 AM
Oo.... I just checked it out and know what actually the avast meaning of. Before this I thought the name "avast!" is a own word name but actually there's meaning at the back of "avast". I just know that avast means stop. ;D
Title: Re: Guys how to pronounce the word "flour"?
Post by: polonus on July 26, 2008, 12:30:12 AM
Hi guys and gals,

Found something to test the US and UK variants online, that is txt to speak demo:
My pronunciation of a word may differ from someone else's. Test it here:
http://www.research.att.com/~ttsweb/tts/demo.php

pol

Quality is rather good - you can save the wav files. Enjoy,
Title: Re: Guys how to pronounce the word "flour"?
Post by: rassel on July 26, 2008, 08:04:38 AM
This program is good but the problem is it need to download.
Title: Re: Guys how to pronounce the word "flour"?
Post by: Chim on July 27, 2008, 01:45:24 AM
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/flour

Click on the audio. ( The little speaker)

I concur with this one ... both the Audio version and the Pronunciation Key.  Right on the money!  I don't really agree with that it's pronounced the same as - Flower.  I guess it depends where one is from and what the dialect is there.  In MY case, I would pronounce "Flower" with a more pronounced "w."  Thus, that's why I can't say that I personally would pronounce "Flour" and "Flower" the same.
Title: Re: Guys how to pronounce the word "flour"?
Post by: Chim on July 27, 2008, 02:07:29 AM
Who ever said the off topic category was closed  ::) Isn't this suppose to be an anti virus forum. :o   

From what I read in the description for this particular Forum, it states, "Anything and everything about this Board."   Therefore, it is NOT designated as an Anti-Virus ... avast! Anti-Virus ... Malware ... Computers ... or even Technology Forum.  Even then though, I've always interpreted the General Topics Forum to be for basically all Non-avast! Topics ... but, still in the general area of Computers / Technology.  This with a little bit of leeway for venturing slightly into other areas, with discretion and maintaining control NOT to go wild into full-blown Off Topic Status.  Maybe NOT even an Off Topic Forum Proxy.   ;D
Title: Re: Guys how to pronounce the word "flour"?
Post by: wyrmrider on August 02, 2008, 02:21:47 AM
name of Flournoy
corruption of the French
Fleur d' noix
of Black Flower
symbolized as the
Flower of the Black Walnut

many pronounce the name Fleur-noy
any type of flower or flour is not appreciated
Title: Re: Guys how to pronounce the word "flour"?
Post by: Chim on August 02, 2008, 03:52:14 AM
name of Flournoy
corruption of the French
Fleur d' noix
of Black Flower
symbolized as the
Flower of the Black Walnut

many pronounce the name Fleur-noy
any type of flower or flour is not appreciated

Would you like some Supersized Fries with that ... or some Flour Tortillas?   ;D