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Title: Avast! Version 5?
Post by: 3xist on July 12, 2008, 09:37:29 AM
Hello,

When is Avast! V5 planned for release?

Josh
Title: Re: Avast! Version 5?
Post by: Bluesman on July 12, 2008, 02:30:48 PM
Hello,

When is Avast! V5 planned for release?

Josh

When it's ready! No one knows when it will be released!

Rumours in the forum say second half of 2008, but stay alive, and you will notice when v5 is released ;)
Title: Re: Avast! Version 5?
Post by: Lisandro on July 12, 2008, 02:35:32 PM
Welcome aboard Josh.
Hopefully avast 5 will see the light by the end of this year. We all hope that.
Title: Re: Avast! Version 5?
Post by: 3xist on July 12, 2008, 02:46:20 PM
Thank you both for the replies.

I was just curious, Because I been hearing about V5 alot.

Josh
Title: Re: Avast! Version 5?
Post by: Drazick on July 13, 2008, 07:41:54 PM
Where can we get some info about it?
Will it have a "Lite" version (Standard Shield and scanner)?

All I need is as lite as possible AV.
Title: Re: Avast! Version 5?
Post by: onlysomeone on July 13, 2008, 08:14:24 PM
Hello,

When is Avast! V5 planned for release?

Josh

When it's ready! No one knows when it will be released!

Rumours in the forum say second half of 2008, but stay alive, and you will notice when v5 is released ;)

According to a press release of Avast! Avast! 5 will be released at the end of the third quater of 2008 - that would be september...

lets see and hope  8)


Thats the part of the press release where this info is mentioned (in german):
Quote
"Auch in diesem Jahr werden wir unseren Kunden die gewohnt hohe Qualität bieten und die Entwicklung der avast! Antivirus Programme weitervorantreiben. avast! 5 wird unseren Kunden noch mehr Features bringen, die Veröffentlichung ist zum Ende des dritten Quartals 2008 geplant. Wir freuen uns darauf, unseren Kunden einen noch besseren Service bieten zu können.
Title: Re: Avast! Version 5?
Post by: Lisandro on July 13, 2008, 09:25:10 PM
Where can we get some info about it?
Will it have a "Lite" version (Standard Shield and scanner)?

All I need is as lite as possible AV.
You can get it doing a customized installation. I think avast 5 installation will follow the same pattern.
Title: Re: Avast! Version 5?
Post by: drragostea on July 13, 2008, 10:13:21 PM
[font face=tahoma]That would be great... I would want to see "powerful" heuristics lols.
Title: Re: Avast! Version 5?
Post by: a.mutu10 on July 15, 2008, 03:51:45 AM
I think both Drazick and Eric L. said what we mostly wish we find in avast 5.0

Strong Heuristic

Fast scanning speed and low resources requirement

 ;) i add that a cool GUI would be welcome too anw.... i'd like to enable something like vista aero effects on it
Title: Re: Avast! Version 5?
Post by: drragostea on July 15, 2008, 04:18:47 AM
I agree with a.mutu10. The current 'avist' skin theme doesn't appeal to my tastes anymore... :P

I just saw on a article about a AV comparsion tests on Raymond CC's blog, which I stumbled upon by accident.

avast! seemed to perform better in memory than software giants like Norton or Panda.

However, it failed to detect a private trojan.

I'm suggesting powerful hueristics like Kaspersky huerisitcs. : )
Title: Re: Avast! Version 5?
Post by: leemar on July 15, 2008, 10:24:20 AM
i just hope avast 5.0 will have a heuristic analysis, that's it
Title: Re: Avast! Version 5?
Post by: mixianfa on July 15, 2008, 10:26:58 AM
I very much look forward to avast v5. :P
Title: Re: Avast! Version 5?
Post by: a.mutu10 on July 15, 2008, 12:30:21 PM
I think Nod32 is more to take as example than Kaspersky... Nod is maybe the faster AV and best heuristic.. great protection against 0 day attacks
Title: Re: Avast! Version 5?
Post by: leemar on July 15, 2008, 04:14:50 PM
yeah eset nod32 has a great heuristic so as AVG 8.0, but kaspersky 2008 has lots of false positive.
Title: Re: Avast! Version 5?
Post by: Vlk on July 15, 2008, 05:42:10 PM
A couple of semi-official comments:

- it is not realistic to think about Q3 this year. End of the year would be great, but it is not guaranteed in any way. We definitely don't want to rush it.

- proactive detection (or, rather, prevention of zero day malware) is (as already announced) one of the hottest topic of the new version. But of course, even the current version of avast ( 4.8 ) engine contains a couple of methods designed to tackle yet-unknown malware.

- I don't want to comment the recommendations about specific (competing) AV products given above -- let me just say that Nod32 is not what it used to be now... :)

- the GUI will be totally changed. If you say please nicely, I may consider posting some preliminary screenshots :o).


Take care
Vlk
Title: Re: Avast! Version 5?
Post by: DavidR on July 15, 2008, 05:51:39 PM
Please nicely, pretty please nicely, I would like to see some preliminary screenshots ;D
Title: Re: Avast! Version 5?
Post by: Rafel on July 15, 2008, 05:57:13 PM
Please VLK , some screenshots??
We are very impatient ;)
Title: Re: Avast! Version 5?
Post by: sanctuaryforever on July 15, 2008, 06:44:25 PM
Vlk will you be allowing user input on the GUI design or not?

either way as long as its clean and accessable I'm fine with it, look forward to any info on it :)
Title: Re: Avast! Version 5?
Post by: onlysomeone on July 15, 2008, 07:34:21 PM
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- it is not realistic to think about Q3 this year. End of the year would be great, but it is not guaranteed in any way. We definitely don't want to rush it.

well, thats just what your homepage tells about version 5  8) - its too bad that it isn't correct :(
Title: Re: Avast! Version 5?
Post by: Bluesman on July 15, 2008, 07:59:16 PM
A couple of semi-official comments:

- it is not realistic to think about Q3 this year. End of the year would be great, but it is not guaranteed in any way. We definitely don't want to rush it.

- proactive detection (or, rather, prevention of zero day malware) is (as already announced) one of the hottest topic of the new version. But of course, even the current version of avast ( 4.8 ) engine contains a couple of methods designed to tackle yet-unknown malware.

- I don't want to comment the recommendations about specific (competing) AV products given above -- let me just say that Nod32 is not what it used to be now... :)

- the GUI will be totally changed. If you say please nicely, I may consider posting some preliminary screenshots :o).


Take care
Vlk

Thanks for the information! I'm looking forward to v5!

And some screenshots would be nice to see...if you want to post some! ;)

Anyway, keep up the good work!
Title: Re: Avast! Version 5?
Post by: onlysomeone on July 15, 2008, 08:08:04 PM
yes, some screenshots please!!!!!!!!

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 :D
Title: Re: Avast! Version 5?
Post by: nightshade on July 15, 2008, 10:28:22 PM
Vlk,

Am I hoping for too much that Avast 5 on it's own will still work and be supported for it's basic use on Windows 98?

If the Firewall is not supported for those systems will that mean that Avast 5 will be the same?

If not will it be a suite for sure? or has this not been decided as yet?

My free registration runs out in February next year, what will happen if Avast 4.8 ceases before then?

RSVP
Title: Re: Avast! Version 5?
Post by: Lisandro on July 15, 2008, 10:57:48 PM
Am I hoping for too much that Avast 5 on it's own will still work and be supported for it's basic use on Windows 98?
We all hope that, at least for 'old' features of avast. There are quite a lot of users with 9x/Me in old computers.

If the Firewall is not supported for those systems will that mean that Avast 5 will be the same?
I don't think so, i.e., I'm guessing only the antivirus will stay 9x compatible.

If not will it be a suite for sure? or has this not been decided as yet?
They've said that it will be both: a suite and standalone applications.

My free registration runs out in February next year, what will happen if Avast 4.8 ceases before then?
You'll be allowed to get avast 5 in the same period. Then you'll have to register again (for free).
Title: Re: Avast! Version 5?
Post by: nightshade on July 15, 2008, 11:06:00 PM
Thank you Tech,

Oh I do hope that for older systems that the AV still works and can be updated for VPS on 98, I hope your guess is right.

I will still keep my Zone Alarm, as it's the Avast 5 not supporting the older system that worried me a little.

I know that one day I will be forced to have to buy a new computer, but I love what I have at present, and it does what I need it to do without to many hindrances.

Thanks for your reply.
Title: Re: Avast! Version 5?
Post by: gate1975mlm on July 16, 2008, 03:54:57 PM
A couple of semi-official comments:

- it is not realistic to think about Q3 this year. End of the year would be great, but it is not guaranteed in any way. We definitely don't want to rush it.

- proactive detection (or, rather, prevention of zero day malware) is (as already announced) one of the hottest topic of the new version. But of course, even the current version of avast ( 4.8 ) engine contains a couple of methods designed to tackle yet-unknown malware.

- I don't want to comment the recommendations about specific (competing) AV products given above -- let me just say that Nod32 is not what it used to be now... :)

- the GUI will be totally changed. If you say please nicely, I may consider posting some preliminary screenshots :o).


Take care
Vlk


Please pretty Please :)
Title: Re: Avast! Version 5?
Post by: Lisandro on July 16, 2008, 05:23:21 PM
The GUI will be totally changed. If you say please nicely, I may consider posting some preliminary screenshots :o).
Maybe you can post you-know-where-board ;)
Title: Re: Avast! Version 5?
Post by: a.mutu10 on July 16, 2008, 06:55:53 PM
Thx to Vlk for giving us more infos..

Well screenshots would help us to daydream in the waiting  ;)
Title: Re: Avast! Version 5?
Post by: nightshade on July 16, 2008, 07:19:50 PM
The GUI will be totally changed. If you say please nicely, I may consider posting some preliminary screenshots :o).
Maybe you can post you-know-where-board ;)

Hi Tech,

Any more info about whether Avast 5 will work on 98? just wondered if there had been an update.
Title: Re: Avast! Version 5?
Post by: nightshade on July 16, 2008, 07:29:56 PM
I know Vlk is more interested in the newer operating systems, but all I am asking is for him to say whether 9x systems will be supported in the new Avast 5 when it comes out.

Vlk,

Can you please give me a yes or no, I just need it for basic use.
Title: Re: Avast! Version 5?
Post by: onlysomeone on July 16, 2008, 07:52:30 PM
well, i'm afraid, but it seems as if avast! is not going to support these OS any more...  :-\
because if it would, the team would be proud of it and use it as advertisement...
(just a thought of me...)
Title: Re: Avast! Version 5?
Post by: nightshade on July 16, 2008, 08:03:24 PM
well, i'm afraid, but it seems as if avast! is not going to support these OS any more...  :-\
because if it would, the team would be proud of it and use it as advertisement...
(just a thought of me...)

Well Tech thinks that they will keep support going as there are still computers that use these systems, all I want is for Vlk to tell us what he thinks or knows.
Title: Re: Avast! Version 5?
Post by: Lisandro on July 16, 2008, 09:54:40 PM
Hi Tech,
Any more info about whether Avast 5 will work on 98? just wondered if there had been an update.
nightshade, as you know, I'm not an Alwil employee (yet  ;D), so I can't speak officially.
Title: Re: Avast! Version 5?
Post by: nightshade on July 16, 2008, 10:04:25 PM
nightshade, as you know, I'm not an Alwil employee (yet  ;D), so I can't speak officially.

I have sent Vlk an email, he didn't reply to my last email, although I kept by the rules and sent him an email instead of a PM.

Surely the folks in the know can say a Yes or No.
Title: Re: Avast! Version 5?
Post by: fazio93 on July 16, 2008, 11:49:45 PM
Please nicely, pretty please nicely, I would like to see some preliminary screenshots ;D
Title: Re: Avast! Version 5?
Post by: Lisandro on July 17, 2008, 03:08:33 AM
nightshade, as you know, I'm not an Alwil employee (yet  ;D), so I can't speak officially.

I have sent Vlk an email, he didn't reply to my last email, although I kept by the rules and sent him an email instead of a PM.

Surely the folks in the know can say a Yes or No.
Hope Vlk drop a line here...
Title: Re: Avast! Version 5?
Post by: Rednose on July 17, 2008, 04:39:31 AM
Will the proactive detection be heuristic based or behavior based ??? Personaly I would prefer a behavior based detection, but that is another discussion ;)

Greetz, Red.
Title: Re: Avast! Version 5?
Post by: a.mutu10 on July 17, 2008, 05:18:47 AM
I don't see so important to protect a OS 10 years old.. (just my opinion, i know someone will need it)

About heuristic based or behavior based i prefer heuristic honestly... there are a lot of software that do behavior based.. firewalls..antispywares...exc.. but with heuristic... u can't find a software that helps avast in it for this i hope avast 5 will have a strong one.

Anw behavior is welcome too..
Title: Re: Avast! Version 5?
Post by: nightshade on July 17, 2008, 08:08:49 AM
I don't see so important to protect a OS 10 years old.. (just my opinion, i know someone will need it)

Hey, sounds a bit like I'm all right Jack!

There are still many that run 98 for ease of use, so it is important to us no matter how many years old it is!

 >:(
Title: Re: Avast! Version 5?
Post by: Vladimyr on July 17, 2008, 08:34:19 AM
well, i'm afraid, but it seems as if avast! is not going to support these OS any more...  :-\
because if it would, the team would be proud of it and use it as advertisement...
(just a thought of me...)

Beware of assumptions my friends. "An argument from silence will convince only deaf ears".
Title: Re: Avast! Version 5?
Post by: rassel on July 17, 2008, 10:50:31 AM
Hope the next vision of avast 5 will contain web checker Scandoo software.
Title: Re: Avast! Version 5?
Post by: nightshade on July 17, 2008, 11:41:26 AM
Just found this thread that relates to the subject of Support for Windows 9x using Avast 5

http://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=32700.0
Title: Re: Avast! Version 5?
Post by: DavidR on July 17, 2008, 02:52:47 PM
Will the proactive detection be heuristic based or behavior based ??? Personaly I would prefer a behavior based detection, but that is another discussion ;)

Greetz, Red.

Some Alwil team members have answered no to the heuristics question in version 5.0, I think based on the fact there is a clear definition of what heuristics is.

It seems version 5 will have some form of behavioural function, though nothing is written in stone for version 5, you have to ave been on the forums for some time to pick up snippets of information in many posts.
Title: Re: Avast! Version 5?
Post by: DavidR on July 17, 2008, 02:58:45 PM
Hope the next vision of avast 5 will contain web checker Scandoo software.

I don't really see why as this is available to individuals through their browser where I feel is the right place for it if you want it and I don't use Scandoo. So personally I wouldn't like it forced on me especially when a) I practice safe hex already, b) use other tools and c) have the web shield and standard shield as a fall back.
Title: Re: Avast! Version 5?
Post by: RejZoR on July 17, 2008, 10:00:45 PM
The behavioral detection will come for sure as it's been in developement for a vey long time. Self-defense system was just derived out of it, behavioral detection will boast it's full capability.
Title: Re: Avast! Version 5?
Post by: nightshade on July 17, 2008, 11:07:31 PM
Please, Please, Please, make Avast 5 compatible for basic use for windows 9x and ME.

I don't know what I'd do without this program.

 :'(

Title: Re: Avast! Version 5?
Post by: Lisandro on July 17, 2008, 11:24:33 PM
Please, Please, Please, make Avast 5 compatible for basic use for windows 9x and ME.
I don't know what I'd do without this program.
Stop asking, please... It's not necessary.
Official answer remains the same: basic antivirus features (old ones) will remain compatible in version 5 with old OS like Windows 9x and Me. New features will be added just to new OS like XP/Vista.
Title: Re: Avast! Version 5?
Post by: nightshade on July 18, 2008, 12:08:15 AM
Edited.

4 posts down from this one.
Title: Re: Avast! Version 5?
Post by: Lisandro on July 18, 2008, 03:12:54 AM
If it's official then I have nothing to worry about then.
Thanks tech.
You're welcome.
Title: Re: Avast! Version 5?
Post by: rassel on July 18, 2008, 11:08:22 AM
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b) use other tools

Whats the other tool you use which is more better and effective? Example?  :D

I want this just because to get better secure before I get in to the web page.
Title: Re: Avast! Version 5?
Post by: DavidR on July 18, 2008, 02:08:15 PM
My main concern is being a dial-up user I don't want what little bandwidth I do have being robbed by an auto link checker, I only check manually those I'm actually going to visit.

There is the DrWeb link checker firefox add-on when that eventually is compatible with firefox 3.0 (they are dragging their heels on this one) or the manual check URL that Tech gave you until that comes back.

There is also the WOT firefox add-on which is relatively light on dial-up users, where site advisor add-on brings me to a standstill when I tried that.

But with NoScript, backed up by the Web Shield and Standard Shield, I don't feel to vulnerable in visiting sites if I didn't pre check them. WOT also displays its icon at the  end of the address bar for links if you arrived at without a search.

I also run all internet facing programs under DropMyRights so they are run on limited rights, so the potential for harm is reduced (not eliminated).

Firefox 3.0 also has an anti Phishing protection, so all in all I don't feel that vulnerable.
Title: Re: Avast! Version 5?
Post by: nightshade on July 18, 2008, 11:31:59 PM
Stop asking, please... It's not necessary.
Official answer remains the same: basic antivirus features (old ones) will remain compatible in version 5 with old OS like Windows 9x and Me. New features will be added just to new OS like XP/Vista.

Tech,

Will this UAC coding issue perhaps change Alwil's opinion regarding support for older os.

The reason for asking is I saw your reply to tuttle's Avast 5 request wish.

http://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=12640.msg311063#msg311063
Title: Re: Avast! Version 5?
Post by: rassel on July 19, 2008, 07:46:23 AM
Thanks David just installed the Dr.Web add-on.
Title: Re: Avast! Version 5?
Post by: alanrf on July 19, 2008, 08:19:46 AM
Nightshade,

nobody but the Alwil team knows the plans for avast 5 and Tech and DavidR are, however valuable members of this forum, not Alwil employees.  They are not going to pre-announce anything to you personally.  You, like the rest of us, must show patience until the team decide to announce their plans - and experience suggests they will do this first in this forum. 
Title: Re: Avast! Version 5?
Post by: nightshade on July 19, 2008, 10:17:54 AM
Nightshade,

nobody but the Alwil team knows the plans for avast 5 and Tech and DavidR are, however valuable members of this forum, not Alwil employees.  They are not going to pre-announce anything to you personally.  You, like the rest of us, must show patience until the team decide to announce their plans - and experience suggests they will do this first in this forum. 

I understand, it is important to me and other users, let's hope they decide as per the official notice, as I love using Avast, and would really hate to lose it.

I was told to stop asking as it's not necessary, but how can this be when the decision has not even been made yet, if you don't ask and say please then I don't see a problem with that, surely it's the same as the people that are asking for requests to Avast 5, and also the requests to see screenshots etc when in fact that is not necessary!

http://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=37002.msg311150#msg311150
Title: Re: Avast! Version 5?
Post by: DavidR on July 19, 2008, 02:53:45 PM
Thanks David just installed the Dr.Web add-on.

You're welcome, I though that it wasn't compatible with 3.0.0/3.0.1 unless you are using a hack or have disabled the compatibility check ?
Title: Re: Avast! Version 5?
Post by: nightshade on July 19, 2008, 03:08:06 PM
When a final decision is made re Avast 5 support for win 9x and ME, will there be an annoucement somewhere of which operating systems it will support?

Title: Re: Avast! Version 5?
Post by: DavidR on July 19, 2008, 03:44:13 PM
If there is I know where you will find it, right here, as before any release of version 5 there will most likely be a beta trial and that I would have thought would make it clear if it was compatible with win9x OSes.

Personally, I feel there is little to worry about in the short term. However, one way or another there is little that you or I as users can do about these decisions, at some point older OSes are certain to be dropped. This is a fact of life and isn't just with avast, which is notable in its support even for win95 when compared to other major applications.

Perhaps it is time for you to do some forward planning of your own to upgrade your system, whilst it is still possible to even get winXP, which will see MS extended support for some time to come.
Title: Re: Avast! Version 5?
Post by: a.mutu10 on July 19, 2008, 04:28:26 PM
Screenshots will not be necessary but it cost nothing... just a print screen.. and it can help users to comment and and who knows maybe improve with suggestions Avast 5 GUI before it is on the market

Support for older OS could mean putting less resources and work time on new features, this to care about just a little part of total customers.

Windows 98 is 10 years old, so if security is a main thing for these clients they should think about upgrading their OS.
You can be the best gardineer of the world, but when the plant is old and weak there is nothing to do for it, Win98 is nowadays weak and avast 5.0 or other futuristic AVs could do not a lot to protect it.
Title: Re: Avast! Version 5?
Post by: onlysomeone on July 19, 2008, 06:49:18 PM
Windows 98 is 10 years old, so if security is a main thing for these clients they should think about upgrading their OS.
You can be the best gardineer of the world, but when the plant is old and weak there is nothing to do for it, Win98 is nowadays weak and avast 5.0 or other futuristic AVs could do not a lot to protect it.

how poetic!
and i have to say that you are right!  ;)

advancement sometimes means, that things have to be given up (like the support of old OS) (sorry, i didn't want to annoy users of such OS...   ;D )
Title: Re: Avast! Version 5?
Post by: nightshade on July 19, 2008, 08:40:32 PM
Screenshots will not be necessary but it cost nothing... just a print screen.. and it can help users to comment and and who knows maybe improve with suggestions Avast 5 GUI before it is on the market

You say it costs nothing, fair enough, but it will cost me something wont it if I have to  buy a new computer, you all keep saying upgrade, well let me put this straight, I can't upgrade due to the computer hardware being out of date, there would be too many driver problems, and anyway its better to do a clean install which would be stupid to do on a tower of nearly 8 years old, so it would have to be a new computer.


Ok, I am not stupid to think that it's crazy not to upgrade, but as you know it's not all about giving up the ease of the older system, as you are fully aware it's not so easy getting your hardware to be compatible to the newer system, also programs that one uses on a day to day basis will perhaps just not work on newer systems, so all in all it's easy to say upgrade, but by doing so can bring user problems along with it.

I keep reading about the problems that users of XP and Vista have with their respective programs, coding and such like, any people like me that use 98 only do so for it's simplicity, when you purchase a new computer these days it comes with vista, and we all know about the problems this system can bring.

I can bet that the users of vista with it's current problems would rather exchange their newer system for the stable 98 any day.

It seems to me that you can't install a program on Vista without there being a problem of some sort.
Title: Re: Avast! Version 5?
Post by: a.mutu10 on July 19, 2008, 09:20:17 PM
I am not talking personally against you... i just talk about marketing .. Win98 users are few today and they will be less and less with time...
so i think is not a nice idea to continue making software for it.

On the other side is not that you will not have antivirus anymore, there are still avast 4.8 (and 4.9?) but than if you ask avast 5.0 on a windows 98 computer is like having a car with ferrari engine and square wheels
Title: Re: Avast! Version 5?
Post by: rassel on July 20, 2008, 08:45:20 AM
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I though that it wasn't compatible with 3.0.0/3.0.1 unless you are using a hack or have disabled the compatibility check ?
Im using 2.0 but Is useless for me to install it because it hang while I tried to scan. I just know that there is a new vision of firefox  ;D . Thanks for telling me and now i'm going to install the firefox 3.0.
Title: Re: Avast! Version 5?
Post by: nightshade on July 20, 2008, 08:47:06 AM
On the other side is not that you will not have antivirus anymore, there are still avast 4.8 (and 4.9?) but than if you ask avast 5.0 on a windows 98 computer is like having a car with ferrari engine and square wheels

When Avast 5 is ready the earlier versions will be dropped, so I don't know what you mean when you say I won't be without antivirus anymore, of course I will be without protection as 4.8 and 4.9 if it ever comes out will be gone by the time Avast 5 is available, that is of course if the worst comes to the worst.

Title: Re: Avast! Version 5?
Post by: rassel on July 20, 2008, 09:34:01 AM
Wow Firefox 3.0 background and theme looks cool. ;D

Faster and better.
Title: Re: Avast! Version 5?
Post by: DavidR on July 20, 2008, 02:25:18 PM
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I though that it wasn't compatible with 3.0.0/3.0.1 unless you are using a hack or have disabled the compatibility check ?
Im using 2.0 but Is useless for me to install it because it hang while I tried to scan. I just know that there is a new vision of firefox  ;D . Thanks for telling me and now i'm going to install the firefox 3.0.

I hacked my DrWeb to work with FF 3.0, but I to found it just hung when trying to check a link so I though that either the servers are overloaded or even with the hack it doesn't work.

So in the end I just uninstalled it, if the extension builders can't be bothered to update it or have sufficient resources to do the scanning of links, they might as well not bother.

I absolutely hate the new default FF theme and my previous theme didn't work with 3.0, so I now use Aeon Clouds.

Edit: the gif image doesn't do it justice, trying to keep the file size down for us dial-up users ;D
Title: Re: Avast! Version 5?
Post by: Rafel on July 20, 2008, 04:03:56 PM
I use Mostly Crystal theme.
Title: Re: Avast! Version 5?
Post by: Happy-Dude on July 20, 2008, 04:32:01 PM
Hm ... Did anyone try Dr.Web AV Link Checker 1.0.17 (an update from 1.0.15) ??

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/938 --> Curious because the update date was the 16th of June this year. (I was surprised that they didn't update it. Now I think they did :) .)

Quote
Developer Comments

New context menu item "Scan with Dr.Web" will appear on all hyperlinks.
Also:

HTTP redirects supported
HTTPS supported
Version 1.0.17 — June 16, 2008 — 18 KB

FF 3 support

Have fun guys :) !!
Title: Re: Avast! Version 5?
Post by: DavidR on July 20, 2008, 05:04:26 PM
Thanks for that.
Title: Re: Avast! Version 5?
Post by: epp on July 20, 2008, 07:54:49 PM
If this is possible, on-access scanning (including e-mail) in any new Linux version of Avast! in the same manner that it is presently implemented in the Windows version.  :)


Title: Re: Avast! Version 5?
Post by: DavidR on July 20, 2008, 07:59:09 PM
Sorry I don't use Linux or the avast version for it.
Title: Re: Avast! Version 5?
Post by: rassel on July 21, 2008, 10:46:12 AM
Quote
but I to found it just hung when trying to check a link
That is my problem same as you.

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I absolutely hate the new default FF theme and my previous theme didn't work with 3.0, so I now use Aeon Clouds.
??? But is ok and looks fine for me.

Quote
Developer Comments

New context menu item "Scan with Dr.Web" will appear on all hyperlinks.
Also:

HTTP redirects supported
HTTPS supported
Version 1.0.17 — June 16, 2008 — 18 KB

FF 3 support

Thanks it was updated on June 16.
Title: Re: Avast! Version 5?
Post by: miscreant on July 21, 2008, 11:01:19 AM
On the other side is not that you will not have antivirus anymore, there are still avast 4.8 (and 4.9?) but than if you ask avast 5.0 on a windows 98 computer is like having a car with ferrari engine and square wheels

When Avast 5 is ready the earlier versions will be dropped, so I don't know what you mean when you say I won't be without antivirus anymore, of course I will be without protection as 4.8 and 4.9 if it ever comes out will be gone by the time Avast 5 is available, that is of course if the worst comes to the worst.



It is hard to give up on an old friend.I had w98se up until a year ago ,and then W2000 for a year.The difference between w98se and w2000 was like night and day.I could try all those programes that i wanted to but never could under 98se.No more resource issues .I never had XP simply because i dint like it.W2000 was like 98se only without the limited resource issues.Ive since bit the bullet and purchased vista premium a fairly high spec machine.Its absolutley brilliant (with UAC on silent mode) and i wouldnt want to switch back to any previous version.The only thing i misss is the constant tinkering with 98se especially so that i wouldnt crash it when installing a new app.Unfortuantley all avs  and other apps are going to get bigger and more intensive and w98se will not be able to handle it.If you can get yourself a new vista at best or an old w2000 disk at worst.You wont regret it.
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Title: Re: Avast! Version 5?
Post by: ardvark on July 21, 2008, 11:25:54 AM
I don't see so important to protect a OS 10 years old.. (just my opinion, i know someone will need it)

Hi...

Quite a few folks will still need it. There is a percentage of folks still using Windows 9x/ME so I highly encourage Alwil to continue support for these operating systems. :)

EDIT: Looks like from Tech's response, there will still be basic 9x/ME support. That's good. :)

Best Regards...
Title: Re: Avast! Version 5?
Post by: nightshade on July 21, 2008, 01:46:17 PM
I don't see so important to protect a OS 10 years old.. (just my opinion, i know someone will need it)

Hi...

Quite a few folks will still need it. There is a percentage of folks still using Windows 9x/ME so I highly encourage Alwil to continue support for these operating systems. :)

EDIT: Looks like from Tech's response, there will still be basic 9x/ME support. That's good. :)

Best Regards...

Nice post, lets hope they do indeed keep the support running, but the more and more I read about this on here I begin to think that the end is nigh!.

Title: Re: Avast! Version 5?
Post by: Lisandro on July 22, 2008, 12:51:22 AM
Nice post, lets hope they do indeed keep the support running, but the more and more I read about this on here I begin to think that the end is nigh!.
Hey c'mon... this is becoming boring... why do you always start the same question or doubt about the support of 98/Me? ::)
Title: Re: Avast! Version 5?
Post by: nightshade on July 22, 2008, 01:50:31 AM
Nice post, lets hope they do indeed keep the support running, but the more and more I read about this on here I begin to think that the end is nigh!.
Hey c'mon... this is becoming boring... why do you always start the same question or doubt about the support of 98/Me? ::)

Because it concerns me and others, if it concerned you then I suppose you would do the very same.
If you check out the wish-list threads you will see I am not the only one concerned about this.
It looks like I cannot win on here, if I ask a question about it I am shot down, then when I post and agree that the end of support just could be ending for win 9x then I am also shot down, give me a break for goodness sake.

Title: Re: Avast! Version 5?
Post by: DavidR on July 22, 2008, 02:34:23 AM
It is not a case of winning, but of a commercial decision, that decision is out of our control Alwil will make that decision as and when it needs to be decided and there is absolutely nothing we the users can do about that so to worry about it is futile. Sorry if that doesn't sit well with you but that is a fact.

I would think that avast 5.0 is sufficiently advanced for no major changes to be made and I would have thought that if older OSes weren't to be supported I feel we would know.

I personally believe that Alwil will where possibly will continue that support for older OSes. However, as has already been seen some of the new functions introduced in 4.8 don't work with win9x, this is likely to be the case with future versions even if older OSes are supported.

The problem will come one day where what they want to do with a future version simply wont work on older OSes without a considerable amount of work on their part and just how much that would cost to support the older OS on what most certainly would be for the free Home version.
Title: Re: Avast! Version 5?
Post by: Chim on July 22, 2008, 02:51:34 AM
Nice post, lets hope they do indeed keep the support running, but the more and more I read about this on here I begin to think that the end is nigh!.
Hey c'mon... this is becoming boring... why do you always start the same question or doubt about the support of 98/Me? ::)

Because it concerns me and others, if it concerned you then I suppose you would do the very same.
If you check out the wish-list threads you will see I am not the only one concerned about this.
It looks like I cannot win on here, if I ask a question about it I am shot down, then when I post and agree that the end of support just could be ending for win 9x then I am also shot down, give me a break for goodness sake.

Add me to those concerned about whether avast! 5.0 will support Windows 98SE.  Well, at the very least I'd settle for --- IF avast! 5.0 is NOT going to support Windows 98 / SE, at LEAST it'd be great if avast! kept avast! 4.8 Active with whatever protection we have right now.  I mean, right now we Win98 Users are already NOT getting Anti-Rootkit protection.  Fine.  Fair enough.  I'll accept that.  I've still got Anti-Virus and Anti-Spyware protection.  Can't have everything, especially for FREE.

If avast! doesn't want to provide the New Firewall for Win98 ... Fine!  I'll accept that.  My system probably wouldn't be able to handle it anyway.

Ultimately, avast! / Alwil Powers That Be will Count the Beans, Crunch the Numbers and they'll very likely give us Win98 Users some Limited amount of protection, like what we have right now ... or they'll Pull the Plug on Win98 permanently.  It's their prerogative, especially since it's FREE for those of us on Home Edition.

There's nothing I'll be able to do about it.  It won't be the 1st time someone's Pulled the Plug on Win98.  Heck, Microsoft Pulled the Plug on Win98.  AOL's FREE McAfee Service Pulled the Plug on Win98.  AVG Pulled the Plug on Win98 ... and on ... and on.  If Alwil's crunching of the numbers ... analyzing of how many Win98 Users there are out there yields the result that Win98 continued Support is a drag, a lost cause and an inconvenience, then so be it. 

I've been very satisfied with avast!'s protection of my Win98SE computer these past 9 or so months.  But, if it's time for avast! to Turn Out the Lights and Let the Win98 / avast! Party Be Over then as The Beatles said --- Let It Be.

But, I REALLY think avast! should consider the aforementioned Party ... Get Back!  Get Back!  Get Back to where it once belonged!    ;D
Title: Re: Avast! Version 5?
Post by: nightshade on July 22, 2008, 07:57:30 AM
Yeah, I don't know if it's possible to keep it going so all win 98 users will have the same protection like we have right now, minus any new functions that wont work on older systems, doesn't bother me if I am unable to use any of the newer functions, but it would be great if we still managed to keep the on-line protection.

Let's just keep our fingers crossed till we await the good or bad news.

Title: Re: Avast! Version 5?
Post by: nightshade on July 22, 2008, 10:54:35 AM

However, as has already been seen some of the new functions introduced in 4.8 don't work with win9x, this is likely to be the case with future versions even if older OSes are supported.

I have no problems with that.
Title: Re: Avast! Version 5?
Post by: Lisandro on July 22, 2008, 04:24:05 PM
Let's just keep our fingers crossed till we await the good or bad news.
nightshade, you're being a pain repointing over and over to this...
If you don't trust Alwil team will keep its word (and the support), why don't you just stay without an antivirus? ???
There is no reason to come again with this hopes, or finger crossed... Trust them! They're a serious company.
Title: Re: Avast! Version 5?
Post by: nightshade on July 22, 2008, 05:42:04 PM
nightshade, you're being a pain repointing over and over to this...
If you don't trust Alwil team will keep its word (and the support),why don't you just stay without an antivirus? ???
There is no reason to come again with this hopes, or finger crossed... Trust them! They're a serious company.

Is this a forum? or is this a forum?
I am quite at liberty to post to other posts on here, you are acting against forum rules pin pointing me out all the time.
Please tell me where I said I didnt trust Alwil, show me where I said this or retract your post accusing me of this!

why don't you just stay without an antivirus? ???

What a crazy thing to say!
Would you like to go on without an AV Program, I think not!
Nobody has said for sure that the support will definitely continue, therefore I see no problem with any posts relating to this on here.
This will be the last that I post on this subject, I will leave it up to someone else if they so wish.
Sorry if I have been a pain, but I thought that was a mods job to try and rest fears without being dogmatic.
Finally, I am aware that Alwil are a serious company.


Title: Re: Avast! Version 5?
Post by: Chim on July 23, 2008, 01:26:20 AM
nightshade, you're being a pain repointing over and over to this...
If you don't trust Alwil team will keep its word (and the support),why don't you just stay without an antivirus? ???
There is no reason to come again with this hopes, or finger crossed... Trust them! They're a serious company.

Is this a forum? or is this a forum?
I am quite at liberty to post to other posts on here, you are acting against forum rules pin pointing me out all the time.
Please tell me where I said I didnt trust Alwil, show me where I said this or retract your post accusing me of this!

why don't you just stay without an antivirus? ???

What a crazy thing to say!
Would you like to go on without an AV Program, I think not!
Nobody has said for sure that the support will definitely continue, therefore I see no problem with any posts relating to this on here.
This will be the last that I post on this subject, I will leave it up to someone else if they so wish.
Sorry if I have been a pain, but I thought that was a mods job to try and rest fears without being dogmatic.
Finally, I am aware that Alwil are a serious company.

Now, I haven't been following this thread per se.  I just read a couple of posts.  So hopefully I won't be accused of NOT having all the facts.  But, nightshade, from what I can see and from what I understand, YES ... this IS a Forum and as long as we're NOT attacking another Poster or Posters, we ARE allowed to come in here and comment on and respectfully show concern for whatever issue affects us, our computer ... OUR computer security.

Alwil IS a serious company.  But, I'm sure even serious companies ... just as politicians and entire governments, CAN change their mind, their strategy, their direction, their stance on something, regardless of what was at one point said or alluded to.  If in the very latter stages of some company's project brainstorming, some factor finally tips the scales over a certain threshold ... a company CAN and WILL flip flop if need be.
     I very distinctly remember some years back, a certain "Serious" company where I worked, held a company-wide meeting to squelch rumors.  We asked the Big Cheeses point blank if the company was closing.  They stood there and looked us in the eye and said NO.  A week or two later, BAMM!  The company makes it official that they're closing.

So, I'm right there with you, nightshade.  As long as Alwil doesn't make any official announcement, all we know is that here soon, avast! will be taking a Shot.  The ball will be on its way to the basket ... but, none of us will know until later in the year whether it will be an Airball ... or a Nothing But Net, Game-winning SCORE for continued Windows 98 Support by avast!

If in a couple of months we luck out and avast! does provide us Win98 Users some semblance of an Anti-Virus Security Umbrella sans any Firewall and revolutionary New Bells & Whistles, we'll sure take it and be very appreciative.  If avast! throws us out of the arena and into the rain sans ANY Malware umbrella of any kind, we won't have any choice but to look for another Team.

But, Ehhh, let's think positive, nightshade.  avast! WILL continue support for Win98, just NOT in the full-blown Cyber Galactic travel Warp Factor-engined version that avast! 5 might be.  They can't pass up on the golden opportunity to pick up ground on and breathe down the neck of AVG by covering the Win98 contingent!   ;D
Title: Re: Avast! Version 5?
Post by: Lisandro on July 23, 2008, 03:13:59 AM
So, I'm right there with you, nightshade.  As long as Alwil doesn't make any official announcement, all we know is that here soon, avast! will be taking a Shot.  The ball will be on its way to the basket ... but, none of us will know until later in the year whether it will be an Airball ... or a Nothing But Net, Game-winning SCORE for continued Windows 98 Support by avast!
Of course Alwil could change its mind.
But I have the OFFICIAL word of the avast! top programmer about that and I have already posted. I'm not upset with anybody... just that we can change the subject and help people and not waste helping time answering all the same. Just that.
Sorry if I have hurt any feeling.
Title: Re: Avast! Version 5?
Post by: Chim on July 23, 2008, 03:59:41 AM
So, I'm right there with you, nightshade.  As long as Alwil doesn't make any official announcement, all we know is that here soon, avast! will be taking a Shot.  The ball will be on its way to the basket ... but, none of us will know until later in the year whether it will be an Airball ... or a Nothing But Net, Game-winning SCORE for continued Windows 98 Support by avast!

Of course Alwil could change its mind.
But I have the OFFICIAL word of the avast! top programmer about that and I have already posted. I'm not upset with anybody... just that we can change the subject and help people and not waste helping time answering all the same. Just that.
Sorry if I have hurt any feeling.

Okee Dokey.  I'll note it down that word on the Cyber Street, if I understand you correctly, is that the future for SOME level of continued support for Win98 by avast! is so bright we gotta wear Shades!   8)  And it's noted that it's also avast!'s prerogative to change their mind.  I'm DUN here. No hard feelings.
Title: Re: Avast! Version 5?
Post by: nightshade on July 23, 2008, 08:47:52 PM
Sorry if I have hurt any feeling.

Hi Tech,

No hard feelings mate, thanks for the help that you do, I really mean it.

 ;)
Title: Re: Avast! Version 5?
Post by: Mihai Iepure on July 23, 2008, 10:10:40 PM
Maybe the interface of v5 will be somehow similar with avast! antirootkit. I wish...
Title: Re: Avast! Version 5?
Post by: Lisandro on July 23, 2008, 11:58:53 PM
Hi Tech,
No hard feelings mate, thanks for the help that you do, I really mean it.
Never mind ;)
Title: Re: Avast! Version 5?
Post by: a.mutu10 on July 25, 2008, 07:41:03 AM
Did Vlk broke his "print-screen" key???  ;D :P
Title: Re: Avast! Version 5?
Post by: epp on July 25, 2008, 03:28:06 PM
I went through all six pages and didn't see this question asked.

So...here's my question.   :)

When Avast! 5 is released, will 4.8 (or 4.9, if released) automatically update to 5 via the Program update, or is it something that would require an uninstall of 4.x first?
Title: Re: Avast! Version 5?
Post by: DavidR on July 25, 2008, 03:41:39 PM
There has been no fixed date for version 5, neither in this or other topics loosely mentioning version 5. There is also no certainty/indication that it would go through 4.9 before 5.0, again not something I worry about, I will take what updates there are as they become available.

In previous topics it has been suggested that version 5 will require a clean install, I don't know for sure if that is the case and isn't something I will worry about I will just do it if that is what is required. I'm sure we will get notified if that is the case.
Title: Re: Avast! Version 5?
Post by: fazio93 on July 25, 2008, 04:03:08 PM
Did Vlk broke his "print-screen" key???  ;D :P

Haha  :) ;)
Title: Re: Avast! Version 5?
Post by: gdiloren on August 11, 2008, 04:33:31 AM
Just read the thread. I'll let the AILWIL TEAM do it's work. Only thing is that I would like the new version added of an heuristic module. I'm still confused and I don't want it to interfere with my other applications, but to have this more kind of weapon wouldn't hurt to improve the detection rate of our AVAST 5 ;D
It's already high  ;) but it would not hurt to improve it, of course! 8)
Title: Re: Avast! Version 5?
Post by: DavidR on August 11, 2008, 04:39:50 PM
I think it is too late in the day to add any major functionality that isn't already included in the plans for version 5.

Detection rate is outside of any application version as that is the VPS, generic, algorithmic signatures. As has been clearly stated by Alwil there will be no heuristics as there is a clear definition for what heuristics is, there is talk of a behavioural functionality (nothing concrete though).
Title: Re: Avast! Version 5?
Post by: gdiloren on August 11, 2008, 05:02:10 PM
I think it is too late in the day to add any major functionality that isn't already included in the plans for version 5.

Detection rate is outside of any application version as that is the VPS, generic, algorithmic signatures. As has been clearly stated by Alwil there will be no heuristics as there is a clear definition for what heuristics is, there is talk of a behavioural functionality (nothing concrete though).
I've heard heuristic are not all in definite detection but it will not hurt. Avira, AVG seems to have it. Why AVAST seems to sulk heuristics? What is heuristics in fact???
Thanks! ::)
Title: Re: Avast! Version 5?
Post by: DavidR on August 11, 2008, 05:18:35 PM
What is dictionary search ???
http://www.tfd.com/heuristics

No if what avast are planning doesn't conform to that definition and it doesn't appear so then they aren't going to have it and that doesn't matter how many other applications that do. avast hasn't been on to follow the crowd but go in their own direction.

Generic and algorithmic might loosely be considered heuristic, but heuristics badly applied would really increase false detections and that I would guess is what avast is trying to avoid.
Title: Re: Avast! Version 5?
Post by: gdiloren on August 11, 2008, 06:21:20 PM
What is dictionary search ???
http://www.tfd.com/heuristics

No if what avast are planning doesn't conform to that definition and it doesn't appear so then they aren't going to have it and that doesn't matter how many other applications that do. avast hasn't been on to follow the crowd but go in their own direction.

Generic and algorithmic might loosely be considered heuristic, but heuristics badly applied would really increase false detections and that I would guess is what avast is trying to avoid.
Thanks DavidR,
     I now fully agree with you and keep my AVAST ON like it should ever be. ;)
Title: Re: Avast! Version 5?
Post by: Damage Inc on August 18, 2008, 10:59:44 PM
Hi,

im just wondering how much will interface and tray icon change in Avast! 5
Will interface be "player" style again or it will be more clasasical, similar to other antivirus programs?
Will tray icon change? To me current tray icon is just perfect :)
Title: Re: Avast! Version 5?
Post by: Lisandro on August 18, 2008, 11:18:27 PM
Will interface be "player" style again or it will be more clasasical, similar to other antivirus programs?
It will be more classical, similar to other (good) applications.
Title: Re: Avast! Version 5?
Post by: sanctuaryforever on August 18, 2008, 11:19:36 PM
Will interface be "player" style again or it will be more clasasical, similar to other antivirus programs?
It will be more classical, similar to other (good) applications.

I'm curious as to what "good" applications is referring to ???
Title: Re: Avast! Version 5?
Post by: Justin_22 on August 18, 2008, 11:20:40 PM
I like avast (version 4.8) just as it so far and would like to see much of the same in version 5 but added on with the behavior functionality. As for the Heuristics added into the Avast! engine its both a good and bad idea in my opinion good because it adds a layer for Undetected Malware and bad because well of the higher False Positives but im leaning more towards no heuristics because in all AV comparisons Ive read Avast! seems to continuously score in 97% 98% detection rates with rivals (Kaspersky, NOD32 ect.) usually scoring a few points below or quite a bit below Avast! this is just my opinion of course.
Title: Re: Avast! Version 5?
Post by: Lisandro on August 19, 2008, 12:21:37 AM
I'm curious as to what "good" applications is referring to ???
It's a matter of personal taste... there are some interfaces very ugly (even with skins, like Spybot) don't you think?
Title: Re: Avast! Version 5?
Post by: gdiloren on August 19, 2008, 12:32:51 AM
1) OK AVIRA is NOT skinnable. But WHY Avast not being "skinnable" any more? To me, it's a step BACKWARD!
2) AVIRA has heuristics integrated and not so much FP. AVAST should lean towards this branch of malware protection although there is PREVXCSI to compensate.
3) I like I'm in LOVE with the actual ball tray icon. Why should we change? Let's concentrate on more serious matters!
4) Scanning speed. A good and thorough job needs time to be well done. It ain't a joke. :-*
5) Getting pop-ups whenever AVAST catches something in the free edition. I don't mind! As long as I do scan completely my pc very often and get only 1 or 2 viruses from time to time. Question is: Am I "unusual"?  ::)
Title: Re: Avast! Version 5?
Post by: DavidR on August 19, 2008, 12:36:01 AM
1. this answer has been asked and answered many times, the software used to do the skinning is no longer available.
Title: Re: Avast! Version 5?
Post by: gdiloren on August 19, 2008, 01:32:39 AM
1. this answer has been asked and answered many times, the software used to do the skinning is no longer available.
As we say:"too bad!". Skins are a minor issue anyway! ;)
Title: Re: Avast! Version 5?
Post by: Faizfast6 on August 19, 2008, 01:50:31 AM
From the previous pages, Avast will have a firewall and in the free version too????
Title: Re: Avast! Version 5?
Post by: a.mutu10 on August 19, 2008, 02:13:28 AM
Well about the GUI ... finally a classic one... i think a lot of users got confused and didn't liked avast because of confusion that mediaplayer skin gave them!

Avast Anti-Rootkit one looked nice and clear. I hope they continue on this way...
And i hope they insert modules control on it.. Kaspersky is very well ordered in their GUI
In avast 4.8 left click to pause/stop/edit providers and right click to open GUI is quite confusing for users.. i would prefer all to match into a GUI

About tray icon well... is not that bad the one we have now... but a lil refresh could be done to that too... even just to make clear is a new product.
I would prefer it to be squared instead of a round ball... and i would like it with light reflex effect on it... like a glass.
If they want to maintain round ball i like gdiloren's avatar one

What i would change is...


Avast pop-up when virus found actually look like windows 95... i think the coolest pop-up i seen was the eset nod32 2.5
And i would like it to be colored for example "red" when a virus is found... "orange" when a spyware is found exc...

About skinning i hope there will be a way to change colors (maybe can be added in 5.1 ... 5.2 versions)

But i repeat ... avast anti-rootkit looked GREAT to me!! i like the dark antivirus gui

Ps i always name other Avs because it is impossible to be perfect, but it's possible to be the best, and in order to be the best we have to learn and take skills from opponents.

Anw i am using Avast because it is the best to me

...and Avast 5.0 is gonna rock!!!
Title: Re: Avast! Version 5?
Post by: gdiloren on August 19, 2008, 03:05:48 AM
I agree with you:the AVAST ANTIROOTKIT GUI is very nice and attractive. Just to add I scanned thoroughly my whole computer with the archives (29.4 GB) and it took me 1h and 5 minutes on a 1.6 GHz computer with 1GB RAM and VISTA SP1. On a 512 MB RAM and 2.4 GHz PC on XP Pro SP3 it takes about 2 hours to do just a SYSTEM SCAN with AVIRA AV CLASSIC PERSONAL. So AVAST, so to speak, looks pretty fast to me:but I prefer excellent detection over scan speed, although this may be frustrating. I also am not ashamed to mention other softwares names, especially FREE, as each one has its peculiarity, its pros and cons. We can't be all similar and we must choose at a certain given time. AVAST 4 seems to offer me the best protection for free and until now (more than 10 years) NO VIRUS has ever bothered me to format my PC again! ;)
Title: Re: Avast! Version 5?
Post by: sanctuaryforever on August 19, 2008, 04:11:02 PM
I'm curious as to what "good" applications is referring to ???
It's a matter of personal taste... there are some interfaces very ugly (even with skins, like Spybot) don't you think?

The interface should encompass all the main functions and be clear and easy to understand but it wouldnt hurt to perhaps have a "sophisticated" look to it that makes it stand out, although detection is always more important
Title: Re: Avast! Version 5?
Post by: Faizfast6 on August 19, 2008, 04:59:46 PM
The interface should encompass all the main functions and be clear and easy to understand but it wouldnt hurt to perhaps have a "sophisticated" look to it that makes it stand out, although detection is always more important
I really have to agree with that. A more professional look but still easy to navigate and with superior detection + heuristics.
Title: Re: Avast! Version 5?
Post by: bri on August 19, 2008, 08:32:31 PM
what is the avast antirootkit gui(skin)?where do i get it?
Title: Re: Avast! Version 5?
Post by: DavidR on August 19, 2008, 09:17:33 PM
It isn't a stand alone skin, but a GUI for what was the stand alone beta version of the anti-rootkit, better than the windows default no-skin option in the normal on-demand ashsimp2.exe interface.
Title: Re: Avast! Version 5?
Post by: bri on August 19, 2008, 09:38:30 PM
thanks for that davidr
Title: Re: Avast! Version 5?
Post by: gdiloren on August 19, 2008, 09:52:05 PM
what is the avast antirootkit gui(skin)?where do i get it?
Here's an example of the GUI:
Title: Re: Avast! Version 5?
Post by: Faizfast6 on August 21, 2008, 03:07:26 AM
Maybe Avast! 5 will look something like that but bigger and more info.
Title: Re: Avast! Version 5?
Post by: nightshade on August 22, 2008, 01:10:44 PM
From the previous pages, Avast will have a firewall and in the free version too????

From what I was told the last time, Avast 5 Free will be available as a suite including the firewall, and also as a separate application excluding the firewall.

If there has been a change to this future implementation I am sure someone will add something here.
Title: Re: Avast! Version 5?
Post by: gdiloren on August 22, 2008, 05:46:37 PM
As many times stated:
1) Too early for talking about AVAST FW:pionnering in it means thorough testing before releasing it.
2) There will be a new AVAST 5 with some added features (secret) and a new GUI
3) The skin software isn't available in version %, so no skins there. 8)
Title: Re: Avast! Version 5?
Post by: gate1975mlm on August 23, 2008, 05:44:13 PM
From the previous pages, Avast will have a firewall and in the free version too????

From what I was told the last time, Avast 5 Free will be available as a suite including the firewall, and also as a separate application excluding the firewall.

If there has been a change to this future implementation I am sure someone will add something here.

I have no need for another firewall so I really hope we will be able to download Avast 5 with out any firewall. The Avast firewall should be a separate download.
Title: Re: Avast! Version 5?
Post by: YoKenny on August 23, 2008, 05:55:22 PM
From the previous pages, Avast will have a firewall and in the free version too????

From what I was told the last time, Avast 5 Free will be available as a suite including the firewall, and also as a separate application excluding the firewall.

If there has been a change to this future implementation I am sure someone will add something here.

I have no need for another firewall so I really hope we will be able to download Avast 5 with out any firewall. The Avast firewall should be a separate download.

If Avast 5 has an embedded firewall then I'll kiss Avast goodbye and install Avira AntiVir.

I came to Avast because AVG became bloated so if Avast does the same thing then I'm not avers to changing.
Title: Re: Avast! Version 5?
Post by: gdiloren on August 23, 2008, 10:07:13 PM
Agree 100/100%:AVAST FW setup and AVAST 5 AV setup should clearly be 2 distinct one. I see a good SUN behind the idea of a new FW for ALWIL but don't want to be a guinea pig either, even though it's free (ALWIL is new from scratch in FW) :(
Title: Re: Avast! Version 5?
Post by: Lisandro on August 24, 2008, 11:23:13 PM
If Avast 5 has an embedded firewall then I'll kiss Avast goodbye and install Avira AntiVir.
They already said that we'll have both possibilities: a suite or independent products.
Title: Re: Avast! Version 5?
Post by: Faizfast6 on August 26, 2008, 03:17:03 PM
I think sometimes Bloatware can be useful if it contains no unneeded component.
Title: Re: Avast! Version 5?
Post by: nightshade on August 27, 2008, 07:47:18 PM
From the previous pages, Avast will have a firewall and in the free version too????

From what I was told the last time, Avast 5 Free will be available as a suite including the firewall, and also as a separate application excluding the firewall.

If there has been a change to this future implementation I am sure someone will add something here.

I have no need for another firewall so I really hope we will be able to download Avast 5 with out any firewall. The Avast firewall should be a separate download.

If Avast 5 has an embedded firewall then I'll kiss Avast goodbye and install Avira AntiVir.

I came to Avast because AVG became bloated so if Avast does the same thing then I'm not avers to changing.

Please stop panicking, they have already said that there will be 2 independent products.
Title: Re: Avast! Version 5?
Post by: nightshade on December 23, 2008, 01:38:05 AM
Hi, as we are getting to the end of 2008, I just wondered if there is any update on the release of Avast 5

Title: Re: Avast! Version 5?
Post by: Lisandro on December 23, 2008, 01:40:18 AM
nightshade, I won't expect anything before the end of the first semester of 2009...
Title: Re: Avast! Version 5?
Post by: nightshade on December 23, 2008, 02:32:16 AM
nightshade, I won't expect anything before the end of the first semester of 2009...

I wonder if it will be a completely new installation, like a special removal tool for the older version.

I am a little bit worried that support will be lost, but I am still hopeful.

Have there been any recent murmurings about basic AV functions being supported for Avast 5 for 98 and ME?
Title: Re: Avast! Version 5?
Post by: DavidR on December 23, 2008, 02:55:30 AM
There was a notice on the avast.com site about support for win95 (can't recall if that is also win98 and winME) can't be guaranteed beyond the end of 2009, so there is at least a year and that would obviously encompass the release of version 5 if as suggested for 1st half of 2009, but as always there is no firm date.

So so long as it is released before  the end of 2009 it should still support older oses.
Title: Re: Avast! Version 5?
Post by: nightshade on December 23, 2008, 03:20:45 AM
There was a notice on the avast.com site about support for win95 (can't recall if that is also win98 and winME) can't be guaranteed beyond the end of 2009, so there is at least a year and that would obviously encompass the release of version 5 if as suggested for 1st half of 2009, but as always there is no firm date.

So so long as it is released before  the end of 2009 it should still support older oses.

Thanks David,

Well we should be ok then, as it should be released early next year hopefully.

Title: Re: Avast! Version 5?
Post by: alanrf on December 23, 2008, 07:12:16 AM
We have been led to expect it will be released in the first half of 2009 but the team have not guaranteed that ... it is goal only.

The avast team are saying that support for the Win9x operating systems is not promised to continue beyond the end of 2009.
Title: Re: Avast! Version 5?
Post by: Lisandro on December 23, 2008, 12:09:25 PM
I wonder if it will be a completely new installation, like a special removal tool for the older version.
As far I know, this time, you'll have to uninstall the old and install version 5. I think the setup will do it as a routine.

Have there been any recent murmurings about basic AV functions being supported for Avast 5 for 98 and ME?
Unfortunately, it's not a rumor...
Title: Re: Avast! Version 5?
Post by: nightshade on December 23, 2008, 05:13:43 PM
Unfortunately, it's not a rumor...

Yeah, but I said being supported, not too sure what you meant there.
Title: Re: Avast! Version 5?
Post by: nightshade on December 23, 2008, 05:17:53 PM

The avast team are saying that support for the Win9x operating systems is not promised to continue beyond the end of 2009.

Not promised, still a little hope then.

My next question is what do users that can't or for some other reason will not upgrade or buy a new computer do when they eventually lose support for their respective operating system, I ask as there ain't that many to be found these days.
Title: Re: Avast! Version 5?
Post by: Lisandro on December 23, 2008, 06:28:16 PM
Not promised, still a little hope then.
This is the hope I'll start to drop... maybe you can (I hope so) save some money to update your computer...
Nightshade, look, new technology goes further very fast and deep, programmers won't spend their time trying to make compatible with a 10 years old system... It's a rule of life, it's a rule of business...
Title: Re: Avast! Version 5?
Post by: nightshade on December 23, 2008, 07:26:24 PM
Not promised, still a little hope then.
This is the hope I'll start to drop... maybe you can (I hope so) save some money to update your computer...
Nightshade, look, new technology goes further very fast and deep, programmers won't spend their time trying to make compatible with a 10 years old system... It's a rule of life, it's a rule of business...

Update my computer with Vista, no chance.
I've seen the problems people have with that system.

I know the answer from most is update, yeah update, and find that I can't use any of my programs, so is this turning to that they won't be supporting 98 for Avast 5, is that where this is going?

Some say as long as 5 is released before the end of 2009 then older systems will be supported, then this.

Edit,

Ah well, I have just seen this Note: The operating systems Windows 95/98/Me/NT4 will be supported until the end of 2009.

http://www.avast.com/eng/system-requirements-avast-home.html

 :(

Title: Re: Avast! Version 5?
Post by: alanrf on December 23, 2008, 07:47:07 PM
This is no suggestion (that I have seen) that avast 5, when released will not support the Win9x systems.

However, at some stage in the lifetime of avast 5 it will be likely that the team will want to make changes to the update structure (as they have in the past).  Also in the past they have needed to force updates of avast itself to accommodate those changes.  Beyond 2009 they are not going to work to make such changes compatible with the Win9x systems. 

So, when that day comes it might occur that you could not update the program on Win9x systems and the updates would no longer be available for the older program releases.

As Vlk has commented, they wanted to make sure that users have plenty of notice that Win9x support for avast will end.

As you probably know Microsoft is terminating the sale of Windows XP licenses in January 2009 (there is a little fudging where they can be ordered by then but do not have to be taken up until May 2009).  After that Microsoft will only sell Vista until Windows 7 is released.   It may be that you could hang on with the current configuration until Windows 7 comes out but with the risk of not being able to keep more and more products on your system up to date.   
Title: Re: Avast! Version 5?
Post by: Lisandro on December 23, 2008, 07:53:10 PM
So, when that day comes it might occur that you could not update the program on Win9x systems and the updates would no longer be available for the older program releases.
Maybe the support for avast 4 continues a little bit and keep the compatibility.
Something is telling me that avast 5 won't walk to Windows 98/Me full compatibility.
Title: Re: Avast! Version 5?
Post by: DavidR on December 23, 2008, 08:16:08 PM
<snip>
Some say as long as 5 is released before the end of 2009 then older systems will be supported, then this.

Some being me and that is my supposition, based on what has been said in the link you posted below.

Ah well, I have just seen this Note: The operating systems Windows 95/98/Me/NT4 will be supported until the end of 2009.

http://www.avast.com/eng/system-requirements-avast-home.html

Which this basically confirms my supposition that should avast 5 come out before the end of 2009 (which is what we all want/wish/hope) then it should support older OSes in the same way 4.8 does. e.g. elements like boot-time scan, anti-rootkit, etc. that won't function because of the older OS.

Quote from: avast.com
Note: The operating systems Windows 95/98/Me/NT4 will be supported until the end of 2009.

So you have a year and a very short bit to make your plans, by that time AVs that support older OSes will be rarer than hens teeth, avast being an exception up to that point.
Title: Re: Avast! Version 5?
Post by: nightshade on December 23, 2008, 08:40:29 PM
Thanks guys..........

I will wait for Windows 7, and purchase a new computer, I hope by then any flaws in Windows 7 will have been fixed, service pack and all that jazz.



Title: Re: Avast! Version 5?
Post by: matt231 on December 24, 2008, 12:24:31 AM
Sorry I haven't read the entire thread but has Vlk posted the "preliminary screenshots" yet?  ;D
Title: Re: Avast! Version 5?
Post by: nightshade on December 24, 2008, 01:05:07 AM
As I haven't bought a computer since 2001, I ask, is it still as difficult to set them up when first switched on?

Title: Re: Avast! Version 5?
Post by: Lisandro on December 24, 2008, 01:11:48 AM
Sorry I haven't read the entire thread but has Vlk posted the "preliminary screenshots" yet?  ;D
Elsewhere... by now, a restricted area in the avast forums. Sorry.

As I haven't bought a computer since 2001, I ask, is it still as difficult to set them up when first switched on?
Setup? Do you mean configure? Well, depends on how many applications will you install, how many hardware parts it has... but it's not that difficult, there are a lot of automatic things, wizards and routines...
Title: Re: Avast! Version 5?
Post by: matt231 on December 27, 2008, 07:52:25 AM
Hmm, is there any news on avast! 5 yet?
Title: Re: Avast! Version 5?
Post by: alanrf on December 27, 2008, 09:48:17 AM
matt231 ,

it is easier for you to take the trouble to go one page up than it is to re-post the information for you.

Give it a try.
Title: Re: Avast! Version 5?
Post by: poppie on December 27, 2008, 03:09:03 PM
I hope that avast 5.x will have nicer skin. many skin packs don't impress me
it should be as nice as AVG 8 or more. :)
Title: Re: Avast! Version 5?
Post by: Iso-G on December 27, 2008, 04:17:22 PM
I like better quality, so that I don't want to rush them.
We konw they release avast! 5 when they should do.

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I hope that avast 5.x will have nicer skin.

I like skinable interface. :D
I konw some folks on Wilders Security forums don't like avast's skinable interface, but I like it.
I want graphic designers to create more avast! skins for kids and girls.
I want designers to create fantasic and/or exotic skins more.  (^o^)v
Title: Re: Avast! Version 5?
Post by: Rumpel on December 27, 2008, 05:32:19 PM
I like skinable interface. :D
I konw some folks on Wilders Security forums don't like avast's skinable interface, but I like it.
I want graphic designers to create more avast! skins for kids and girls.
I want designers to create fantasic and/or exotic skins more.  (^o^)v

I'm sorry to tell you this but Avast! 5 won't have skin support.
With very high probability, skin support will be dropped from avast 5.
This decision has been made after a long consideration (we uderstand that it won't make happy some people but we still believe it will be a good move for avast and the vast majority of its users).

I know some people like the skinnable interface.  In fact, some people recognize Avast! for its music-player-like default skin as some others recognize it as the "talking" anti-virus program.  That said, there is a bright side of this decision.  The simplicity itself removes some problems.
Anyway, the two problems you mention are caused by a Microsoft library (Explorer Extension) and the 3rd party skinning component (the rest of the GUI). So, I'm afraid there isn't much we can do about it right now.

When avast! 5 is released, it will be built by a new version of the compiler, and it won't use skins anymore - so both of the problems should disappear.
Title: Re: Avast! Version 5?
Post by: Lisandro on December 27, 2008, 09:34:15 PM
I like skinable interface. :D
Me too... since from the beginning 5 years ago... I'd like the skinable interface very much.
Title: Re: Avast! Version 5?
Post by: Rumpel on December 29, 2008, 03:55:27 AM
I like skinable interface. :D
Me too... since from the beginning 5 years ago... I'd like the skinable interface very much.
Sorry for being rather late but is this your wishful thought or is there information I missed?  As far as I know, the team decided to drop support for skinnable interface for Avast 5!.  However, you are one of the forum members who frequent the boards and probably know better than I do.  ???
Title: Re: Avast! Version 5?
Post by: Sammo on December 29, 2008, 04:36:24 AM
Well, until Avast 5 comes out I will continue to beta test Avira Premium Security Suite 9.
Title: Re: Avast! Version 5?
Post by: alanrf on December 29, 2008, 04:49:23 AM
Rumpel,

I suspect that Tech was just kinda sighing and speaking for many of us in saying that he has liked having the skinable interface available and (I think) regretting that it is going away. 

To look on the bright side - I am sure that we will have a lot more to discuss between us with the advent of avast 5 than just its looks. 
Title: Re: Avast! Version 5?
Post by: Rumpel on December 29, 2008, 05:57:52 AM
I suspect that Tech was just kinda sighing and speaking for many of us in saying that he has liked having the skinable interface available and (I think) regretting that it is going away. 

To look on the bright side - I am sure that we will have a lot more to discuss between us with the advent of avast 5 than just its looks. 
Can you people communicate through telepathy or something?  ;D
In any case, thank you for your time, Alan.  I guess I'm yet another looking forward to Avast5!.
Title: Re: Avast! Version 5?
Post by: alanrf on December 29, 2008, 06:40:38 AM
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Can you people communicate through telepathy or something?

Of course I can.  Are you suggesting that not everyone does?

Or is it just restricted to the seventh son of a seventh son?
Title: Re: Avast! Version 5?
Post by: Lisandro on December 29, 2008, 05:56:23 PM
I suspect that Tech was just kinda sighing and speaking for many of us in saying that he has liked having the skinable interface available and (I think) regretting that it is going away. 
Rumpel, Alanrf caught my mind ;)