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Other => General Topics => Topic started by: Vladimyr on August 19, 2008, 04:27:23 AM
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http://www.symantec.com/about/news/release/article.jsp?prid=20080818_02
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Cue Freddy Mercury:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNQRfBAzSzo
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Well there went anything good about Spyware Doctor or Pc Tools firewall ;D
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They say that both brands will continue separately, but then "they" always do in this sort of situation.
Even so there could be some policy changes at PC Tools. Call me a skeptic but the only useful thing I've ever seen Symantec give away is their customers!
Speaking personally, no advantage to me in this "foreign aquisition". when CA bought VET, it moved them closer to me (VET was in Melbourne, CA HQ is in Sydney). PC Tools HQ is already here but Symantec has no Sydney office. I guess I'll cope somehow.. ;D
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Well at least they'll continue separately what I was worried for is that PC Tools has a excellent product in Spyware Doctor (minus the huge memory usage) great detection rates and such but I was worried that symantec might change around Spyware Doctor to make it more like Norton and that would just completely turn me away from it
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They say that both brands will continue separately, but then "they" always do in this sort of situation.
Yep, That's what they said about Sygate.
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Ah YoKenny!
You remind me of the day ... many, many years ago ... when someone came up to me in a bar in Munich and asked me if I was Freddy Mercury!
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PC Tools FW free users must say bye bye and replace his FW. ;D
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PC Tools FW free users must say bye bye and replace his FW
so i guess no more freebies from pctools after it becomes known as part of NORTON CRAP!!!!
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Bye bye recommendations to PC Tools Spyware Doctor and Firewall...
They always promise independent companies... we know what that suppose for the the freewares... Bye bye...
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I may be foolish, but what makes you think symantec won't pursue into like PCTools FW software for free. You never know! ???
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Well for the time being those who wish to take advantage of the free products, but I can't see Symantec
spit buying a company from the goodness of their heart and continue with the free products. They want something and are prepared to pay for it, hopefully to give them a commercial/technological boost.
All we can do is watch and see products merge in the fullness of time and the disappearance of the independent product. Like what happened when Symantec bought Power Quest Drive Image they took the best bits and merged it with Norton Ghost.
I'm still using the last Version of Drive Image before the buyout, they aren't getting any of my money ;D
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I've never used their software but I really hope they will independently develop their software even under Symantec.
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Going to be independent
Great
I'll get support on Clean sweep and QEMM
and
Norton Utilities
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I've never used their software but I really hope they will independently develop their software even under Symantec.
Nothing is independent to Symantec >:(
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There may be no immediate changes nor intergration, but, you can be sure that both of these will happen ... given a little time. :(
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Hi CharleyO,
Did not you know how it works? "Moloch eats children" you know, here it gobbled PC Tools,
polonus
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I'd say this time it's a bit different.
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What do you know that we don't Vlk ;D
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I'd say this time it's a bit different.
What do you mean?
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Well, if you look at the AV industry at a broader view, you can see that the current situation can roughly be characterized like this: there are small players that keep taking considerable market shares, reducing the market shares of traditional giants like Symantec and McAfee. Of course, I'm talking about small players like AVG, ALWIL/avast and Avira (all offering free products, essentially).
Now, the big players are not blind, and especially the investors standing behind these big companies are not very happy. Particularly in Europe, the situation is quite serious, with AVG in the UK (~35% consumer market share), avast in France (~45% consumer market share) and Avira in Germany (~52% consumer market share).
Now, Symantec had a couple of possibilities of how to cope with the new situation. One of them was to start offering Norton Antivirus for free, but that wouldn't be too wise as it could hurt the value of the Norton brand (still considered by the company as "premium").
A better way to solve the problem was to launch a new "budget" brand - offering cheap (or even free) solutions under a new brand, but still under the wings of Symantec, regaining the lost market shares. They could either develop the products themselves, or, more easily, acquire another well-established smaller company that would give them what they need.
And I think PC Tools is going to serve exactly this purpose.
Cheers
Vlk
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Well, if you look at the AV industry at a broader view, you can see that the current situation can roughly be characterized like this: there are small players that keep taking considerable market shares, reducing the market shares of traditional giants like Symantec and McAfee. Of course, I'm talking about small players like AVG, ALWIL/avast and Avira (all offering free products, essentially).
Now, the big players are not blind, and especially the investors standing behind these big companies are not very happy. Particularly in Europe, the situation is quite serious, with AVG in the UK (~35% consumer market share), avast in France (~45% consumer market share) and Avira in Germany (~52% consumer market share).
Now, Symantec had a couple of possibilities of how to cope with the new situation. One of them was to start offering Norton Antivirus for free, but that wouldn't be too wise as it could hurt the value of the Norton brand (still considered by the company as "premium").
A better way to solve the problem was to launch a new "budget" brand - offering cheap (or even free) solutions under a new brand, but still under the wings of Symantec, regaining the lost market shares. They could either develop the products themselves, or, more easily, acquire another well-established smaller company that would give them what they need.
And I think PC Tools is going to serve exactly this purpose.
Cheers
Vlk
well..i think it makes sense...they will use pc tools to offer freeware products and "fight" the smaller companies who offer freewares(like grisoft,alwil,avira etc)....they are EVIL :P:P:P
but they dont know that people know what symantec is...so i dont think they will have a big success...avast and avg are the top rated freewares antivirus and pc tools av is buggy...no need to mention norton programs...
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Whenever Symantec puts its brand on anything whether Fee or Free I'll avoid it like the plague.
When Symantec gobbled up Norton anti virus they became the largest AV vendor and they want to remain that way.
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One of them was to start offering Norton Antivirus for free, but that wouldn't be too wise as it could hurt the value of the Norton brand (still considered by the company as "premium").
They could go ahead with this, I'm quite sure the bloatware for free won't increase their market share. There are too much not-Norton users in the world. Of course, it will increase the number of people using Norton... but for free, will Symantec earn with this?
A better way to solve the problem was to launch a new "budget" brand - offering cheap (or even free) solutions under a new brand, but still under the wings of Symantec, regaining the lost market shares. They could either develop the products themselves, or, more easily, acquire another well-established smaller company that would give them what they need.
And I think PC Tools is going to serve exactly this purpose.
Do you think our reaction to Symantec action isn't a sign that they won't win the freeware market share?
I wish I could help you get your firewall as fast as possible...
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Symantec buy competitors and dead them, simple as that.
Power quest and Sygate are the best exemples,hehehe.
PC tools AV will dead or in teh future it'll have the same engine as Norton.
It's the same as GM and all his brands o VAG (VW, Audi, Skoda, Seat...), Ford.
It has no sense two AV with different engines.
But we konw Symantec ever kills his "new acquisitions".
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A better way to solve the problem was to launch a new "budget" brand - offering cheap (or even free) solutions under a new brand, but still under the wings of Symantec, regaining the lost market shares. They could either develop the products themselves, or, more easily, acquire another well-established smaller company that would give them what they need.
And I think PC Tools is going to serve exactly this purpose.
Cheers
Vlk
Vlk, I respect your point of view, but it's hard to understand why Symantec would want to take off the market off the Norton's to promote another new brand cheaper or free. Cheaper, they'll make less MONEY. Free, they'll make no money at all, they'll lose money. No for me, I see PCTools' FUTURE as BLACK and very dark! :)
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Free, they'll make no money at all, they'll lose money.
Market share.
avast gets Pro users having a free version.
I don't think they will lose money. What I think is that they won't get smart users market share.
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Hi gdiloren,
Cannot you understand the attitude, like the dog that does not eat because he does not want others to eat.
pol
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Hi gdiloren,
Cannot you understand the attitude, like the dog that does not eat because he does not want others to eat.
pol
I see.
But it's "easier" to "kill" the guy... so to speak. :D
Less choice.
We're left with Norton BIG GIANT, and we...oh no...buy or at least are forced into it, somewhat.
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Well, this ought to be interesting to see what happens. Hope I am around to see it, feel sure I will be. :)
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ANY US anti trust restraint of trade implications
any blip on the radar of the U.S. Federal Trade Commission (FTC)
unfair competition
Where's Teddy Roosevelt when we need him?
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ANY US anti trust restraint of trade implications
any blip on the radar of the U.S. Federal Trade Commission (FTC)
unfair competition
Where's Teddy Roosevelt when we need him?
Symantec is a US company.
PC Tools is Australian (technically Irish).
I don't think the FTC (or Theodore) has a problem with that!
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There's no need to get emotional IMHO. Symantec is a big company like many others, you can buy its stock on NASDAQ and of course, the main and only reason why it exists is to generate revenue for its investors.
And from that perspective, I believe they're doing a decent job.
Remember, competition is good. Now it's our turn to come up with something even more interesting (product-wise).
BTW, I'd say NAV 2008 (and 2009) is quite a nice product actually. Again, let's try to be unbiased for a while and look at the product without looking at its name.
Thanks
Vlk
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BTW, I'd say NAV 2008 (and 2009) is quite a nice product actually. Again, let's try to be unbiased for a while and look at the product without looking at its name.
well i agree with u on that...NAV 2008(havent tested 2009) is really effective on detecting and removing viruses...it aslo has an effective antispyware...the only cons that makes me go away of it is the memory usage which is huge and that it never gets unistalled successfully...it almost always needs the unistall tool... :P otherwise it would be a very nice AV..
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Now it's our turn to come up with something even more interesting (product-wise).
Go ahead... we're expecting it (quite a long time).
BTW, I'd say NAV 2008 (and 2009) is quite a nice product actually. Again, let's try to be unbiased for a while and look at the product without looking at its name.
Well... history teaches us something...
I don't have a machine to be killed by Symantec ;D
Sorry, I've tried but I can't, it over me, I can't be unbiased to Symantec...
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Tech,
I would say that Vlk has a professional standing as a representative of Alwil and in the industry in general and that his perspective should be understood in that context and respected.
However, I am also looking forward to the even more interesting product offering too.
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Back to the topic at hand:
Symantec gobbles up PC Tools
I'll again repeat myself:
Who cares as long as no adverse changes happen.
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Tech, I would say that Vlk has a professional standing as a representative of Alwil and in the industry in general and that his perspective should be understood in that context and respected.
For sure I respect his opinion. Never even thought the contrary, and you know ;)
Who cares as long as no adverse changes happen.
I do.
There will be certainly changes... the Symantec pattern is on this way...
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Tech,
You worry to much.
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i hope avast doesn't sell out is it a private company or is it traded on the stock market ? ???
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Tech,
You worry to much.
You're right again... I need to turn off sometimes (or every time ;D).