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Consumer Products => Avast Free Antivirus / Premium Security (legacy Pro Antivirus, Internet Security, Premier) => Topic started by: nightshade on February 22, 2009, 02:33:04 PM
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As we are getting well into 2009, I thought to ask if users of Windows 98, and there are still a few of us around, should be looking for another program for AV protection, or should we be comforted to know that we will still be able to use Avast 5 when available, if only for the basic virus protection.
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There are many restrictions in Avast 4 when using such old OSes, so the question is: when do you upgrade your OS?
Another problems: Norwegian fight agains Internet Explorer 6 (german news: http://www.heise.de/netze/Webmaster-Aufstand-gegen-alte-Internet-Explorer--/news/meldung/133204).
Newer browsers are rare in OSes < Windows 2000. So you are not secure in the future in the internet with such old OSes.
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We are aware of the security issues and we have been down this path already, but this post is to do with Avast 5 and Windows 98, and if there was any news as to the use of Avast 5 on 98.
The OS works and does what we want it to do, so we don't want to upgrade, please understand this.
>:(
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nightshade, maybe I'm wrong... but I feel avast 5 won't be Windows 98 compatible and maybe they let avast 4 old versions for these users. I'm not sure the virus database will be available in both versions. I'm just guessing.
I think support for Windows 98 is to be dropped by the end of 2009, this was in avast website.
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well nightshade why you got windows 98 ? explain us i think in 2009 you really need to buy a new cpu sry for offensed you but its the true :D
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avast! 5 will not run on Windows 95/98/ME/NT4.
avast! 4.8 (= virus database updates) will be available for some time, of course.
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avast! 5 will not run on Windows 95/98/ME/NT4.
avast! 4.8 (= virus database updates) will be available for some time, of course.
Thanks for the info Igor.
Sorry nightshade.
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Nothing to be sorry about really, if Avast 4.8 is available for some time for us 98 users then that is ok.
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I am sorry to say, but from reading this forum, and seeing all the trouble the later version's of windows is causing, If is isn't broke don't fix it. Windows 98 and ME is a cake walk. (Gooey, but still gets you there) (only my opinion). ;D
I also am a little upset that 5 will not support me !!
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I am sorry to say, but from reading this forum, and seeing all the trouble the later version's of windows is causing, If is isn't broke don't fix it. Windows 98 and ME is a cake walk. (Gooey, but still gets you there) (only my opinion). ;D
I also am a little upset that 5 will not support me !!
Me too, I just don't know why they couldn't just let it update for the virus updates only, as most hackers are trying the newer operating systems and are more than likely to leave 98 alone.
If not, I hope they leave Avast 4.8 for a considerable time, although I would think they would want to ditch 4.8 sooner than of later, how long is a piece of string so to speak.
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If not, I hope they leave Avast 4.8 for a considerable time
Following the experience of avast32, I won't expect that much... If they change the virus database architecture, I won't expect the support will be vanished for old OS.
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I won't expect the support will be vanished for old OS.
Is that a positive note I feel there Tech?
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Is that a positive note I feel there Tech?
No. I think one year would be a good period...
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Is that a positive note I feel there Tech?
No. I think one year would be a good period...
You mean from 2009 to the end of 2010 perhaps?
You see the thing is there will be users of the older systems that will continue, and therefore may get infected, and they could spread all over which isn't good.
It's a pity that Avast just couldn't leave their update server for those systems for 4.8.
What do users do that just can't afford upgrading or buying a new computer?
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On ebay you can buy Windows XP for £35. Windows XP has support (for microsoft patches) until 2014 and probably also for virus scanner.
You can also shift to a non MS operating system like Linux,*BSD etc. which not really need a virus scanner.
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As we are getting well into 2009, I thought to ask if users of Windows 98, and there are still a few of us around, should be looking for another program for AV protection, or should we be comforted to know that we will still be able to use Avast 5 when available, if only for the basic virus protection.
Hi...
I think the only one that will be left after 4.8 is no longer supported, even with virus definition updates, will be Clamwin. (http://www.clamwin.com/) My concern here is that it has no real time scanner, except for a plug in that handles attachments in Outlook. :(
Unfortunately, I think the "crunch time" for upgrading to newer OS's is quickly approaching. :(
May God Bless you! :)
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On ebay you can buy Windows XP for £35. Windows XP has support (for microsoft patches) until 2014 and probably also for virus scanner.
You can also shift to a non MS operating system like Linux,*BSD etc. which not really need a virus scanner.
You see my system would lose loads of software and hardware if I upgraded, but really it's a nightmare restoring all how I have my system at the moment, and this is what puts me off upgrading or a fresh install.
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On ebay you can buy Windows XP for £35. Windows XP has support (for microsoft patches) until 2014 and probably also for virus scanner.
You can also shift to a non MS operating system like Linux,*BSD etc. which not really need a virus scanner.
Hi...
This really depends on system specs and the subsequent abililty of the system to handle these OS's. Many systems designed for Windows 98 back in the late 90's using the original hardware would most likely not be able to handle XP well, if at all, without upgrading or replacing the system. :)
@nightshade: If purchasing a copy of Windows XP is a possible consideration in the future, I would recommend getting a "full retail copy," not OEM. Here is a listing on ebay (http://computers.shop.ebay.com/items/Operating-Systems__Windows-XP-full-retail_W0QQ_kwZWindowsQQ_kwZXPQQ_kwZfullQQ_kwZretailQQ_ckwZHomeQQ_dmptZUSQ5fSoftwareQQ_fromfsbZQQ_sacatZ11226) for both the Home and Professional version. You can also find copies at other online stores like Royal Discount. (http://www.royaldiscount.com/windowsxphome.html) However, as I have mentioned above, make sure your hardware can handle the increased resource requirements. ;) Feel free, if you would like, to post your hardware specs or "make and model" and we can give you an idea of what you might need to do. :)
May God Bless you! :)
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nightshade, you do not marry with your motherboard... Really, enjoy the new OS... it's a good experience. Starting all over again, new software, new hardware... you can learn a lot of things... but, of course, if you can't afford then the only thing for us is be sorry side by side with you... Maybe David could give his old computer as a gift ;D
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To be honest I am slightly fed up about this, especially as I had been told a while back that the Avast 5 would indeed support the older 98 system, but now it all seems to have changed, and it's a definite no.
I really enjoyed using Avast, and it's a dam shame that myself and others will have no AV protection any longer.
:'(
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Unfortunately, I think the "crunch time" for upgrading to newer OS's is quickly approaching.
I see you quote earlier about upgrading to XP, anything wrong with Vista?
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I see you quote earlier about upgrading to XP, anything wrong with Vista?
Does a Dalmation have spots? ;D
I think people were considering the massive leap in hardware requirements of the 'average' Win98 machine in order to cope with Vista's heavy load.
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I see you quote earlier about upgrading to XP, anything wrong with Vista?
Does a Dalmation have spots? ;D
I think people were considering the massive leap in hardware requirements of the 'average' Win98 machine in order to cope with Vista's heavy load.
Understood. ;D
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I don't think there's any need for panic at this stage. I'm expecting avast! 4.8 will be supported 'till around August, September 2010.
I'd go for an Upgrade edition, either XP Pro or xp Home. If you determine that your current hardware won't cope, upgrade the hardware first and then the XP upgrade installation will install the appropriate drivers. I've done many successful upgrades from 98SE to XP Pro or Home. I hate having to set up from scratch (and the XP Migration Wizard is a bit clumsy). That's probably why I still regularly use my 95 OSR2 PC which started life as DOS on a 286, then installed Windows 3.1, then upgraded to 95 (retaining settings and programs) and IDT Winchip C6 200MMX, and is now Athlon XP 3000+. (It is a dual-boot XP Pro but 95 on this machine is just so fast!)
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I'd go for an Upgrade edition, either XP Pro or xp Home. If you determine that your current hardware won't cope, upgrade the hardware first and then the XP upgrade installation will install the appropriate drivers. I've done many successful upgrades from 98SE to XP Pro or Home. I hate having to set up from scratch (and the XP Migration Wizard is a bit clumsy). That's probably why I still regularly use my 95 OSR2 PC which started life as DOS on a 286, then installed Windows 3.1, then upgraded to 95 (retaining settings and programs) and IDT Winchip C6 200MMX, and is now Athlon XP 3000+. (It is a dual-boot XP Pro but 95 on this machine is just so fast!)
Hi...
I definately understand your point, however, I've seen the "sandwiching" or upgrades of Microsoft OS's before and it doesn't always work out for the best. :( This is why I'm such a proponent of "clean installs." In this case too, a clean install using the NTFS file system is a potential advantage over an upgrade using FAT32, even though original settings and programs can, to some degree, be kept. However, if these programs are absolutely needed and there are no equivelents or newer versions that will run on NTFS, then yes, I would agree it might be worth the risk of upgrading. Just my 2 cents. :)
@nightshade: I agree completely with Vladimyr, upgrading to Vista from Windows 98 would be like putting a 1-ton boulder on top of your system. ;D
Best Regards...
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Nothing to be sorry about really, if Avast 4.8 is available for some time for us 98 users then that is ok.
Well, nightshade, at least we now know for certain. No more wondering or being in limbo. We now know eventually ALL the support including the Virus Database Updates will cease for Windows 98. True, now there'll be a bit of a limbo as to exactly WHEN that end of support is. But, Ehhh, I'll take it for as long as it's there. Once it's gone, I'll have no choice, but to explore some Plan B, whatever that may be. If it is buying some used computer, so be it. I don't have quite the complex setup of which you speak, nightshade. I have all my stuff on CDs and could easily setup on another computer. But, that's an absolute LAST resort.
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To be honest I am slightly fed up about this, especially as I had been told a while back that the Avast 5 would indeed support the older 98 system, but now it all seems to have changed, and it's a definite no.
Well, that was the intention... meaning that we would like to support it. However, it turned out later that we couldn't even move to a new(er) version of the developments tools withou loosing Win9x support.
So, keeping Win9x support would mean to freeze other projects - such as 64bit version; it's either one, or the other, not both.
Put together with a lot of additional effort that would be needed to support Win9x... it's really too big price to pay to support the small fraction of Win9x users (about 0.7% right now, and getting smaller and smaller).
avast! 4.8 certainly will be supported for some time (the virus database updates for sure, and if needed, even a program update can be released)...
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avast! 4.8 certainly will be supported for some time (the virus database updates for sure, and if needed, even a program update can be released)...
Great stuff, thanks Igor.
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2000, XP, Vista and WinCrap 7 are IMPOSSIBLE to protect, they are based on htm, html and xml driver programs, which explains why these "computing web page" operating systems are so easily infected! One has NO choice other than to allow these junkware OSs to interact completely with an infected site at ALL level of the OS! I think -- rightly so -- that Avast and all other AV vendors ought stick to the older systems which they can protect! Worst case for 9x/ME: A BROWSER HIJACK AT A PORNO PAGE. Boot safe and delete the *&@&*& dll.
Dave
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Very true, please take note Avast!
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Sooner or later Win 95/98/... have to die...
Probably the time has come now... :-\
I think it is the right choice to leave the old behind and look into the future...
It would be a pity if lots of new features couldn't be included into Avast! just because of less than 0.7 % of Win 98 users...
yours
onlysomeone
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Sooner or later Win 95/98/... have to die...
Probably the time has come now... :-\
I think it is the right choice to leave the old behind and look into the future...
It would be a pity if lots of new features couldn't be included into Avast! just because of less than 0.7 % of Win 98 users...
yours
onlysomeone
Totally disagree with you. Surely you must realise that 98 was a preferred system to the junk of XP & Vista.
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All vendors should be encouraged to follow MS EOL timetable as these have extended support completed as well. This dropping of support by MS makes devlopment for 3rd party software much more difficult. Windows 98 EOL was July 11, 2006 and for Avast to go three years or more beyond that, well ...they should be congratulated, not scolded by users who want that support.
While you may disagree with the security issues, the UAC, protected mode, kernal protection and standard user accounts (plus other features based on version) make Vista the software that is more secure in todays world than Win 98. But all the security issues of OS are for another board...
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Sooner or later Win 95/98/... have to die...
Probably the time has come now... :-\
I think it is the right choice to leave the old behind and look into the future...
It would be a pity if lots of new features couldn't be included into Avast! just because of less than 0.7 % of Win 98 users...
yours
onlysomeone
Totally disagree with you. Surely you must realise that 98 was a preferred system to the junk of XP & Vista.
Well, this is your point of view and I find it okay, as everyone is different in what he likes and what he doesn't like...
I don't think that XP or Vista are junky in any way...
I really like the features XP, Vista, or now Seven bring... I love Aero/Dream Scene/..., I like and use many tools like the "Snipping Tool" which helps me to easily make captures of the screen and post them to the forum to help others...
Now that I used this new OSs i never would like to go back... I still can remember installing individual drivers and software for any USB stick i plugged in... what took me much time in the past happens automatically in a part of a second today...
So there are many improvements for me... probably you'd see this different...
Everyone like he wants :)
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The OS works and does what we want it to do, so we don't want to upgrade, please understand this.
Same here NightShade, (OS ME) Just read the problems the other OS Systems are having right here. I will really miss mine when it will no longer be able to run.
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The OS works and does what we want it to do, so we don't want to upgrade, please understand this.
I do understand!
But somewhen you will have to upgrade... and then you can enjoy lots of new and really cool stuff :)
yours
onlysomeone
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The OS works and does what we want it to do, so we don't want to upgrade, please understand this.
I do understand!
But somewhen you will have to upgrade... and then you can enjoy lots of new and really cool stuff :)
yours
onlysomeone
Ok, we upgrade, then we find DRM issues when downloading and playing music files, just one problem with the likes of the newer OP systems!
I had been told that 95/98 users could pretty much expect support to last till at least to the end of 2009 and perhaps some of 2010.
But for onlysomeone to come on and say that 95/98 are ready to die now is just crazy.
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The OS works and does what we want it to do, so we don't want to upgrade, please understand this.
Same here NightShade, (OS ME) Just read the problems the other OS Systems are having right here. I will really miss mine when it will no longer be able to run.
Hines,
Once support finally dies for 98 have you ever considered not running an AV progam at all? Some people have said to me that they don't use an AV program on their system as they are careful what sites they visit and what files they execute, so if you want to continue to run 98 then you can.
I have not had a windows update now since the MS support drop, and have had no problems since then.
Now I am not saying that this is the correct thing to do, what I am saying is that 98 is perhaps not the target for spyware/viruses like it was a few years ago.
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The OS works and does what we want it to do, so we don't want to upgrade, please understand this.
Same here NightShade, (OS ME) Just read the problems the other OS Systems are having right here. I will really miss mine when it will no longer be able to run.
The problem is not 'the OS does what you want it to do' but what it 'can't' do in relationship to avast (and many other applications). avast! want to make changes to better protect the majority of systems. Already some of these improvements don't work in win9x/winME, but fortunately they are able to be discarded in older OSes.
The problem comes when avast wants to make changes in the core functionality of avast that isn't supported in older OSes and this is I believe where we are now with avast 5.0. For those on older OSes Alwil have said they would be supported to the end of the year and that is in the form of the avast 4.8 version still being available for those OSes. So at the end of that period who knows if that will continue.
Alwil has been very good in providing a free version for those who can't really afford the Pro version, but that generosity has to be tempered with how much it costs to continue supporting older OSes that even MS abandoned years ago.
Moving to version 5.0 yet still maintaining compatibility with win9x, winME for what they have planned isn't possible without holding back the newer OSes, effectively that could lose avast the higher protection that will come with that upgrade. So for a period of time they will have to devote time and money maintaining 4.8 and its VPS update system and updates in support a dying OS with less and less users; at some point that will have to end and that is unfortunately a commercial reality.
So understand this, at some point in time there will be zero AV support for win98, winME, then will your OS do what you want of it and I presume being able to use your system and be protected from malware.
I'm not telling you to upgrade your OS, simply telling you how it is, avast 5 won't support win98 or winME as has been stated on numerous occasions already. At this point in time with July as the likely release date for avast 5 there is no way they could re-engineer it to be compatible with win98 and retain what improvements that are planned.
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I don't think that XP or Vista are junky in any way...
Neither do I. I understand the ones who use old OS, but, it's inevitable that they dye...
Oh, I think the OS shouldn't be as integrated with browsers (and the opposite) as XP and Vista are.
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But for onlysomeone to come on and say that 95/98 are ready to die now is just crazy.
i didn't say now, i said sooner or later... :)
at least if your hardware breaks down and you have to get a new PC... ;)
you won't find drivers for Win 98 which support the new hardware and so you can't run this OS any more...
Its just a question of time ;)
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As far I know, people will be able to use avast4 with older OS for, at least, one year. Maybe they extend the support (virus database update).
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Maybe they extend the support (virus database update).
That would be nice, and that is all we would want anyway, the virus database update only.
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That was one of the problems as the VPS update in version 5 has changed to make it more efficient, so having to maintain the old VPS update system is the overhead I mentioned. As the virus database grows even further there are likely to be more issues with old OSes having problems even in the VPS updates, we are already seeing this in a number of topics already.
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Maybe they extend the support (virus database update).
That would be nice, and that is all we would want anyway, the virus database update only.
Agreed NightShade, Will still use AVast as long as I can. You Should have some av protection. It is true that in time, "All good things do come to an end", such as 98/ME, in the name of progress ??. ::).
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Maybe they extend the support (virus database update).
That would be nice, and that is all we would want anyway, the virus database update only.
Agreed NightShade, Will still use AVast as long as I can. You Should have some av protection. It is true that in time, "All good things do come to an end", such as 98/ME, in the name of progress ??. ::).
Perhaps WinClam will still be around but not real time unfortunately.
I see no problems not having real time if we are careful, and I don't have a real time adware program either, I run my SAS every so often.
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i didn't say now, i said sooner or later... :)
Eh, I beg to differ, check your writing here. >:(
http://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=42849.msg371542#msg371542
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Probably the time has come now... :-\
I thought you said that you didn't say NOW?
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Probably the time has come now... :-\
I thought you said that you didn't say NOW?
You shouldn't overlook the "probably"... (in the meaning of possibly...)
But you are right - in my deepest inside i really want to leave the old behind and start something new :)
Sorry if this sounds hurting in any way - this for sure wasn't my intention. :-[
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I wonder who is still insisting on Win98. It's so ancient and crappy i'd rather use Win2000 at slower speed than have to bare a shatering stability of Win98.
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I bet Win9x and Me simply aren't vulnerable to the kinds of 'stealth' malware I've run into on XP and Vista- the type that can even protect itself in Safe Mode and will totally bugger up your system if you try to 'short circuit' the way they alter the Registry and system files during a normal shutdown so they're protected from tricks like booting with ERD Commander or MS DaRT CDs... that's yanking the power cord then booting to Safe Mode where the malware files aren't hidden away and the Registry keys that launch the stealthing during boot can be found and deleted.
It's a clever nasty that can not only hide in Safe Mode but also defend itself against plug pulling AND survive a Repair Install of XP AND auto-deletes all major antivirus and anti-malware programs. I got one of those once, it sneaked past AVG 7, I had to connect the drive to another PC and wait through three days of rapid fire updates (at least 12 in three days) from AVG and many full scans to get rid of it. Couldn't even track it all down and kill it booting from ERD Commander 2005. I noticed the infection when the AVG and Spybot S&D tray icons vanished suddenly.
AFAIK, what runs in Safe Mode in Win 9x and Me is completely hard coded and there is no way to alter it, (which was quite annoying to not be able to have CD-ROM access in Win 95 Safe Mode) which would always leave stealth malware vulnerable, though I have run into some 9x boxes that had problems preventing them booting to Safe Mode- but most of them couldn't boot normally either.
Could be that ye olde Windows will get more secure against malware as time passes because the people who write malware can't do all the nasty tricks with it they can with 2000 and newer.
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You see, there are some good points for having 98 :)
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I wonder who is still insisting on Win98. It's so ancient and crappy i'd rather use Win2000 at slower speed than have to bare a shatering stability of Win98.
Users that have had no problems I would imagine!
As for the stability of 98, I don't know where you get that idea from. ???
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Let me just say this, I use 98 because it hasn't really caused me any worries etc, and usually when you get a new computer which I will do soon, well it's like starting all over again, and the problems I have read about with Vista isn't worth thinking about.
I have been told that I can get a new custom built PC with XP installed, then after a couple of years hopefully Windows 7 will have had it's bugs fixed, does that sound feasible? ???
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Let me just say this, I use 98 because it hasn't really caused me any worries etc, and usually when you get a new computer which I will do soon, well it's like starting all over again, and the problems I have read about with Vista isn't worth thinking about.
I have been told that I can get a new custom built PC with XP installed, then after a couple of years hopefully Windows 7 will have had it's bugs fixed, does that sound feasible? ???
If I were you, I'll learn directly from Windows Vista. Nowadays computer can run Windows Vista without problems... you're reading anti-Vista reviews or fanatic-XP lovers writings.
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Let me just say this, I use 98 because it hasn't really caused me any worries etc, and usually when you get a new computer which I will do soon, well it's like starting all over again, and the problems I have read about with Vista isn't worth thinking about.
I have been told that I can get a new custom built PC with XP installed, then after a couple of years hopefully Windows 7 will have had it's bugs fixed, does that sound feasible? ???
If I were you, I'll learn directly from Windows Vista. Nowadays computer can run Windows Vista without problems... you're reading anti-Vista reviews or fanatic-XP lovers writings.
How does Avast compare on Vista? what I mean is have there been many problems being reported?
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Hi nightshade and win98 users,
As a long-satisfied 98SE user, I have now have Xubuntu with dual boot.
I use wine, to the limited extent possible, to run some 98SE programs in Xubuntu.
Linux is more secure than any Windows program but I still have a firewall
for outgoing protection and the Linux debian version of Avast for on demand
scans. (Go to the bottom of this page and switch forums for info).
I am not aware of any plans to withdraw the Avast Debian Version. However,
currently the daily update comprises the full database of signatures;
so it is not incremental and not so good for dial-up users - but once loaded
scans are very fast.
Xubuntu can read FAT 32 files but 98 cannot (as can some windows versions)
read Linux files. It would be possible to share music, pdf and many file types.
I quote a specialist "Microsoft Valued Professional" that older Windows versions
such as 98SE are not more protected than more recent versions - in fact quite the
opposite was stated.
98 has got a reputation for instability but I find it to be excellent.
It takes me some three minutes to move from Xubuntu to W98SE and less than half
that to revert to Xubuntu.
I have 640MB RAM (565 MB available) and I have not yet used as much as 350 MB.
If any 98 user is very short on RAM puppy, damn small, or another version of Linux
might be appropriate.
Finally, you can run Ubuntu (from where I installed the Xubuntu desktop) from a CD.
It will be slower than a hard drive installation but at least it can be tried that way.
I now have the best of all worlds - so good fortune to my "98" friends. Regards
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Don't you have enough space to run Kubuntu (with KDE) into your computer?
I think it will be easier to adapt to, I mean, from an user coming form Windows 98, KDE is similar to Windows appearance.
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Hi Mike,
I'm afraid you are a bit too technical for me, lol ;D
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I wonder who is still insisting on Win98. It's so ancient and crappy i'd rather use Win2000 at slower speed than have to bare a shatering stability of Win98.
Users that have had no problems I would imagine!
As for the stability of 98, I don't know where you get that idea from. ???
I've been using Win98 and random lockups, crashes and stuff like that were nothing unusual. When i got Win2000, i was so thrilled by it i never returned to Win98 even though there were still driver problems at that time. Windows NT5 is like trilion of light years ahead of Win9x.
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Ok guys, I get the message. ;D
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Hi RejZor,
Methinks you overstate your case. It would take only 25 decimal digits to express the number of miles in a mere one trillion light years.
My 98SE would probably take a month to verify the largest prime number found to date.
That has almost 13,000,000 decimal digits.
I have no doubt you are both clever and creative but some of us just like "98". The great English mathematician, G H Hardy, said of the Ancient Greek mathematicians "They were not just clever schoolboys, they were Fellows of another college.
Everyone, even nightshade, is entitled to propound his/their views about their system(s).
My regards to all
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Hi RejZor,
Everyone, even nightshade, is entitled to propound his/their views about their system(s).
My regards to all
Thank you Sir!
:)
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Yes, but none of that will change the fact that avast version 5 won't support win98, and that is the Title of this Topic. So it really is a moot point.
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Yes, but none of that will change the fact that avast version 5 won't support win98, and that is the Title of this Topic. So it really is a moot point.
Yeah agreed, but as Mike has said, I am still entitled to my opinion on how I feel about Windows 98 S.E, and I am shot down on every occasion when I do so. :D
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Tell you guys something though, when I get a new PC, and when problems begin, I will be on here before you can say Jack Robinson!! >:(
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Jack Robinson, just getting in there first ;D
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Maybe they extend the support (virus database update).
That would be nice, and that is all we would want anyway, the virus database update only.
Agreed NightShade, Will still use AVast as long as I can. You Should have some av protection. It is true that in time, "All good things do come to an end", such as 98/ME, in the name of progress ??. ::).
Perhaps WinClam will still be around but not real time unfortunately.
I see no problems not having real time if we are careful, and I don't have a real time adware program either, I run my SAS every so often.
Try COMODO BOClean 4.27 (REAL TIME) Be around for a while yet. ;D
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Maybe they extend the support (virus database update).
That would be nice, and that is all we would want anyway, the virus database update only.
Agreed NightShade, Will still use AVast as long as I can. You Should have some av protection. It is true that in time, "All good things do come to an end", such as 98/ME, in the name of progress ??. ::).
Perhaps WinClam will still be around but not real time unfortunately.
I see no problems not having real time if we are careful, and I don't have a real time adware program either, I run my SAS every so often.
Try COMODO BOClean 4.27 (REAL TIME) Be around for a while yet. ;D
Hi Hines32,
Have you tried it, and has it had rave reviews? this isn't an AV program though is it?
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Maybe they extend the support (virus database update).
That would be nice, and that is all we would want anyway, the virus database update only.
Agreed NightShade, Will still use AVast as long as I can. You Should have some av protection. It is true that in time, "All good things do come to an end", such as 98/ME, in the name of progress ??. ::).
Perhaps WinClam will still be around but not real time unfortunately.
I see no problems not having real time if we are careful, and I don't have a real time adware program either, I run my SAS every so often.
Try COMODO BOClean 4.27 (REAL TIME) Be around for a while yet. ;D
Hi Hines32,
Have you tried it, and has it had rave reviews? this isn't an AV program though is it?
Yes, I am using It. (no one reads the sig's) ::) I beleive It would be like SAS, only REAL TIME !.
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Maybe they extend the support (virus database update).
That would be nice, and that is all we would want anyway, the virus database update only.
Agreed NightShade, Will still use AVast as long as I can. You Should have some av protection. It is true that in time, "All good things do come to an end", such as 98/ME, in the name of progress ??. ::).
Perhaps WinClam will still be around but not real time unfortunately.
I see no problems not having real time if we are careful, and I don't have a real time adware program either, I run my SAS every so often.
Try COMODO BOClean 4.27 (REAL TIME) Be around for a while yet. ;D
Hi Hines32,
Have you tried it, and has it had rave reviews? this isn't an AV program though is it?
Yes, I am using It. (no one reads the sig's) ::) I beleive It would be like SAS, only REAL TIME !.
So sorry I missed your sig.
That's great then, now only if we can find a program to emulate Avast for viruses in real time.
Good thing is that if we can believe what we have been told we will have Avast till the end of 2009 hopefully. :)
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Hi nightshade -
My old computer (I built it in 2000) still runs W98SE and I still use it occationally. I rarely have it on the internet, though. I have to update avast occationally (plus a couple of other programs) and that is when it is on the interent. When I built this computer in 2005 that I'm using now, I knew it was time to move on to XP. I did not like it at first because I was so use to 98 SE. But, after a few months using XP, I realized that XP is much better overall than 98SE. I'll move on to whatever Windows is around in a couple of years when I will again build another computer.
I understand your comfort level with 98SE and enjoy it the few times a month that I do use the old computer.
But as with other aspects of life, a time comes when we have to move on.
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CharleyO,
Cheers for that,
I know that what I am about to ask is slightly moving away from the topic in hand but, as you have built your own PC, would you recommend I moved to XP or Vista?
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would you recommend I moved to XP or Vista?
If the hardware allow, update to Vista. Windows 7 will have more or less the same system specifications.
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would you recommend I moved to XP or Vista?
If the hardware allow, update to Vista. Windows 7 will have more or less the same system specifications.
I think I would be going for a completely new PC tower therefore I would more than likely need a new scanner and printer.
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CharleyO,
Cheers for that,
I know that what I am about to ask is slightly moving away from the topic in hand but, as you have built your own PC, would you recommend I moved to XP or Vista?
If it were me, I'd wait until Windows 7 (or whatever it is eventually named) is released. But, XP is closer to what you understand from 98SE where as Vista is a bit different. I support several computers running Vista.
On the other hand, Tech makes a valid point about future Windows OS updates. Also, XP is nearing the end of it's life support from MS. So, if you are buying a pre-built brand-name computer now, go with Vista.
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CharleyO,
Thank you and others.
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CharleyO,
Thank you and others.
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