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Title: What Anti-Spam Program is Recommended?
Post by: Sunny on May 31, 2004, 04:51:34 AM
Hello:

I'm new to this MB. I run Win98SE, IE 6sp1, Outlook Express 6, on an HP Pavilion 8570, Pent. III, 256.

Can someone suggest a good, free if possible, anti-spam program for OE which runs well with Avast 4 Home?

Thank you all in advance for any suggestions.
Title: Re:What Anti-Spam Program is Recommended?
Post by: Max M.Wachtel III on May 31, 2004, 06:07:10 AM
sunny-
have you tried mozilla? I tried it out about 2 wks ago now and I like it better than IE6+OE. The e-mail has a really easy to use junk mail filter with more settings than OE.
And I just imported my address book and favorites folder.
Good to go!
-max
Title: Re:What Anti-Spam Program is Recommended?
Post by: SirL on May 31, 2004, 10:37:53 AM
I use K9 and 99.5%(and rising...) of all spam i get i sorted right. It's a small and free program.

http://keir.net/k9.html

/SirL
Title: Re:What Anti-Spam Program is Recommended?
Post by: Bluesman on May 31, 2004, 01:17:19 PM
I use Spamihilator, works very well for me!

http://www.spamihilator.com

/Bluesman
Title: Re:What Anti-Spam Program is Recommended?
Post by: DavidR on May 31, 2004, 02:23:05 PM
I use MailWasher Pro, too many good points to list, check it out. I'm not sure if there is still a freeware version, I used that to start with, that only scans one email account, if you have multiple accounts you would need the pro version @ $US 37.

http://www.firetrust.com/home/index.php (http://www.firetrust.com/home/index.php)

If nothing else use the 30 day free trial, I really like it and when I purchased it (29.95) 18 months ago, I have had three free upgrades to the current version 4.1.

David
Title: Re:What Anti-Spam Program is Recommended?
Post by: Lisandro on May 31, 2004, 04:17:55 PM
I use Spamihilator, works very well for me!
http://www.spamihilator.com

Me too.
To configurate it with avast see http://forum.avast.com/index.php?board=9;action=display;threadid=3413  ;)
Title: Re:What Anti-Spam Program is Recommended?
Post by: Sunny on June 01, 2004, 03:03:28 AM
Hello to all,

Thank you so much for your suggestions! I really appreciate them. It sounds as though AVAST will work with most anti-spam programs. Actually, I'm not surprised. I just downloaded Avast today...without a single hitch! And another surprise: My first scan detected no viruses! (I'll run another scan tomorrow just to be sure that everything was set to go when I did that one.) I'm very, VERY pleased.

To: Madmax:

I haven't tried Mozilla though I've considered doing so. To change a whole operating system would be drastic for me right now, but someday? Thanks anyway for your suggestion. Maybe one day I'll get really good and disgusted (like 6 security patches...for Win98SE...all in one day! It Could Happen!!!) Then I'll just do it!

Thank you all again!

Sunny
Title: Re:What Anti-Spam Program is Recommended?
Post by: .: Mac :. on June 01, 2004, 05:28:28 AM
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To change a whole operating system would be drastic for me right now
Mozilla is a web browser not an operating system.

But IF you want to change your Operating system..... How about getting a Macintosh?  8)
Title: Re:What Anti-Spam Program is Recommended?
Post by: trigger on June 01, 2004, 04:28:17 PM
SpamPal overhere. http://www.spampal.org Pro over K9 is that it can download several mail account at the same time, and I have several.

Peter
Title: Re:What Anti-Spam Program is Recommended?
Post by: DavidR on June 01, 2004, 04:39:17 PM
The thing that I hate about most Anti-Spam programs is, you have to download the email before you can filter it.

This is a pain, a cost (and a risk of potential infection) when you are using a dial-up connection to download up to 100 spam/suspect emails per day.

This is why I love MailWasher Pro so much, it checks email at source (mail server) and using its tools is very accurate at identifying and marking spam for deletion. All you need to do is click process to delete all the marked emails from the server, it then calls up your email program and you then only download the email that's left.

Downside, yes you have to pay for it, once and upgrades are free.

Title: Re:What Anti-Spam Program is Recommended?
Post by: trigger on June 01, 2004, 10:12:43 PM
This is why I love MailWasher Pro so much, it checks email at source (mail server) and using its tools is very accurate at identifying and marking spam for deletion. All you need to do is click process to delete all the marked emails from the server, it then calls up your email program and you then only download the email that's left.
Correct me if I am wrong, but mailwasher pro downloads the email also and detrmines if it's spam or not. It then deletes spam from the server so your email client does not download the messages, but they will get onto your system anyway. Other spam software does the same but passes valid mail directly to your mail client.

Peter
Title: Re:What Anti-Spam Program is Recommended?
Post by: DavidR on June 02, 2004, 12:26:16 AM
This is why I love MailWasher Pro so much, it checks email at source (mail server) and using its tools is very accurate at identifying and marking spam for deletion. All you need to do is click process to delete all the marked emails from the server, it then calls up your email program and you then only download the email that's left.
Correct me if I am wrong, but mailwasher pro downloads the email also and detrmines if it's spam or not. It then deletes spam from the server so your email client does not download the messages, but they will get onto your system anyway. Other spam software does the same but passes valid mail directly to your mail client.

Peter

Happy to correct you, mailwasher downloads headers and the first x lines (you define x number) which are viewed in plain text (if you have elected to view the preview pane) if you need to check content, this information is held in a temp location but the email still exists on the server, it is not downloaded into your email inbox, spam or other folder in your email program.

From this limited information it/you can identify and mark for deletion. It is currently recognising close to 100% of all spam having spent some time training it and its reference to spamcop and other spam blacklist/ip addresses. So I don't spend large ammounts of time checking it, simply clicking process, this deletes email from the email server, you then download the remainder with your email program.
Title: Re:What Anti-Spam Program is Recommended?
Post by: trigger on June 02, 2004, 08:00:26 AM
Happy to correct you, mailwasher downloads headers and the first x lines (you define x number) which are viewed in plain text (if you have elected to view the preview pane) if you need to check content, this information is held in a temp location but the email still exists on the server, it is not downloaded into your email inbox, spam or other folder in your email program.
That will limit the amount of downloaded data. In the past I used a program that did similar things. Then Spammers started to add blank lines at the beginning of the message  >:( so it was of no use anymore.

BUT:

From this limited information it/you can identify and mark for deletion. It is currently recognising close to 100% of all spam
It seems the way of spam changed again and it will pick up spam again. I will give mailwasher a try. I am happy with spampal, but if there is another, better program around... Why not use that   ;)

Thanks for the heads up.

Peter
Title: Re:What Anti-Spam Program is Recommended?
Post by: neal62 on June 02, 2004, 09:15:22 AM
Sunny,

Just to add my bit of information to your question. I use a spam filter that is a Option type of filter. Its called QuikCop and is located at www.quikcop.com. Its a pay for type of program but works very well. You type in the e-mails you want to receive e-mail from and the rest of the e-mail goes into a "Jail" which you also can view. If there is a e-mail in the Jail you want delivered into your inbox of your e-mail program you can click on "deliver" and also click on"add to friends and acquaintences" list. At that point the e-mail from the Jail will be delivered into your inbox and will continue to be delivered there as its being recognized by the program as acceptable e-mail. This filter will weed out 98% of the Spam or more.
    Another alternative is a free program called "Poptray" located at www.poptray.org. It checks the mail at the server and allows you to delete anything you find objectionable before its downloaded into your e-mail program. I have found it to be very accurate and user friendly. I hope this adds some other choices for you. Have a good day and welcome to the forum. :)
Title: Re:What Anti-Spam Program is Recommended?
Post by: DavidR on June 02, 2004, 11:01:46 AM
Happy to correct you, mailwasher downloads headers and the first x lines (you define x number) which are viewed in plain text (if you have elected to view the preview pane) if you need to check content, this information is held in a temp location but the email still exists on the server, it is not downloaded into your email inbox, spam or other folder in your email program.
That will limit the amount of downloaded data. In the past I used a program that did similar things. Then Spammers started to add blank lines at the beginning of the message  >:( so it was of no use anymore.

They now ad blank lines spell words like t.hi.s use html text that is 0pt size so that you see t hi s, the human eye and brain can cope with this but many spam filters can't. This shows that spam blocking is working as they try ever more devious methods to get arround spam filters.

The other feature that I like is the Origin of Spam filter, it checks mail not by content but from origin, IP address and this is very accurate, it also allows you to add new databases of spamming IPs, I have added the one from SpamHaus.org (sbl-xbl.spamhaus.org, this checks two databases at spamhaus.org) to the other two which come by default.

BUT:

From this limited information it/you can identify and mark for deletion. It is currently recognising close to 100% of all spam
It seems the way of spam changed again and it will pick up spam again. I will give mailwasher a try. I am happy with spampal, but if there is another, better program around... Why not use that   ;)

Thanks for the heads up.

Peter

Every mail that came in to one account that managed to get into the spam lists generated 25 emails (this morning, about 75-100 total per day), all identified correctly as Origin Blacklisted or Possible Spam (based on either baysian filter or my teaching it), I can't remember when I last had a false positive and the time savings have been great.

David
Title: Re:What Anti-Spam Program is Recommended?
Post by: Lisandro on June 02, 2004, 09:07:53 PM
The thing that I hate about most Anti-Spam programs is, you have to download the email before you can filter it.

Spamihilator does this job too...
The messages are filtered before downloading them.
It works like a plugin of the email client.
You even do not have to run it like MailWasher.
Just my 0.02  ;)
Title: Re:What Anti-Spam Program is Recommended?
Post by: Lisandro on June 02, 2004, 09:11:36 PM
They now ad blank lines spell words like t.hi.s use html text that is 0pt size so that you see t hi s, the human eye and brain can cope with this but many spam filters can't. This shows that spam blocking is working as they try ever more devious methods to get arround spam filters.

I'm not making advertisement of Spamihilator but it does this job too.
Special plugins detect w.or.ds like t.hi.s or t h e s e  s p a c e d words too or blank lines.
Very customizable and integrated with email program.
Ah, it's a freeware translated into several languages...  ;D
Title: Re:What Anti-Spam Program is Recommended?
Post by: Sunny on June 06, 2004, 03:20:23 AM
 
    Another alternative is a free program called "Poptray" located at www.poptray.org. It checks the mail at the server and allows you to delete anything you find objectionable before its downloaded into your e-mail program. I have found it to be very accurate and user friendly. I hope this adds some other choices for you. Have a good day and welcome to the forum. :)
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Thank you to all who have attempted to answer my question, and have supplied several good suggestions.

To Neal JR: The above program sounds like something very good, and I'm going to try it! I have one now, "Pop-Up Stopper," which has seemingly worked well, but I believe "Poptray" may be even better! Thanks, Neal! I appreciate it! And I appreciate all of you in this forum, for helping a new member.

Sunny
Title: Re:What Anti-Spam Program is Recommended?
Post by: neal62 on June 06, 2004, 07:15:40 AM
Hi Sunny,

Well young lady your more than welcome. I also have Popup Stopper on another of my computers. I also have compared it to PopTray and have found that PopTray seems to have more features and is more user friendly. I have no affiliation with this or any program but have found it to be very good for my purposes. Thanks for responding and once again have a great day. And Oh, I graduated from Mingus Union in the Verde Valley LOL.  :)
Title: Re:What Anti-Spam Program is Recommended?
Post by: The Maxx on June 06, 2004, 07:21:08 AM
Mozilla: Thunderbird seems to be a very good email program and it does good against spam.

Who knows maybe someday Microsoft will come out with an all new IE/OE.
Title: Re:What Anti-Spam Program is Recommended?
Post by: Sunny on July 10, 2004, 07:29:25 AM
Hello again,

I came back here tonight and re-read all of your responses (and there were lots! Thanks so much!)

I wanted to report that I have at last downloaded MailWasher Pro 4.1 just two days ago. I tried to set up all sorts of fancy rules in Outlook Express 6...had to give it a chance, but, at the same time, I was blocking around 175 emails per day and it was just too much. It's a real time-waster. On my second day with Mailwasher, it did very well. I've got it set up to Blacklist and Bounce, for now, while it's training, but I can already see a shortcut that I'll probably put into effect tomorrow. To the above, on the MW screen, I'll add Delete. I can always recover if it "misses," but it's right there in front of me, so it'll be my mistake, too!

By the way, I had an odd thing happen both yesterday and again today while on the MW screen. Avast kicked in warning me of "a possible email virus." The message was from AVAST. ??? Someone had "tagged" it. (I'll be letting Avast know on another screen as well.) The tagger was as follows: "FamousBluePill@orexis@info4u.info" I recognize it as on my "Blocked" list on OE. Thanks Avast!

And a VERY sincere "thank you" to Max, David R., Technical and all the others who have been so helpful in replying to my query. As I re-read your discussions, it dawned on me how helpful they will be to other "newbies" in Avast, like me, in the future. You're a really helpful and great bunch of people.

sunny ;)

Title: Re:What Anti-Spam Program is Recommended?
Post by: 7r on July 10, 2004, 10:25:51 AM
Could anybody please tell me how to configure SpamPal to run with avast ? I'm having my mail adress set to: localhost / username:loginname@pop3servername.com in Outlook. After installing Avast I'm told: SpamPal is unable to use port 110 (error 10048) is this port in use by another program ? I guess it is by Avast. I'm running my local wireless network (one pc only) on a Belkin 54g router with build-in forewall.

I need this pc up and running online all the time, so I dont dare to eksperiment with different settings.
Thanks in advance
Title: Re:What Anti-Spam Program is Recommended?
Post by: EVdB on July 10, 2004, 12:09:23 PM
Hi Sunny,
On my second day with Mailwasher, it did very well. I've got it set up to Blacklist and Bounce, for now, while it's training, but I can already see a shortcut that I'll probably put into effect tomorrow.
Mailwasher Pro is good spam blocker, but what I dislike about it is the Bounce function.
A lot of people don't know that when you use this function, you're in fact spamming a real person in most of the cases, and certainly not the spammer.
 :o Most of the spammers use real adresses (fake), but not their own.
It would be better to just delete, instead of Bounce.
Imagine a real person getting spammed by you, also a real person. Not a pretty picture, I can assure you.

Take a look here (http://www.pocosystems.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2770) for more info about this.


Just my 0.2 euro

Eric  ;)

[edit: adding link]
Title: Re:What Anti-Spam Program is Recommended?
Post by: Lisandro on July 10, 2004, 02:50:20 PM
7r, there were an avast user called Culpeper (where is he?  :'() that uses SpamPal with avast.
Can you search the board for SpamPal and his name?
You will find the solution, that is similar to Spamihilator.
Title: Re:What Anti-Spam Program is Recommended?
Post by: S.Z.Craftec on July 10, 2004, 03:28:08 PM
Hi Sunny,
On my second day with Mailwasher, it did very well. I've got it set up to Blacklist and Bounce, for now, while it's training, but I can already see a shortcut that I'll probably put into effect tomorrow.
Mailwasher Pro is good spam blocker, but what I dislike about it is the Bounce function.
A lot of people don't know that when you use this function, you're in fact spamming a real person in most of the cases, and certainly not the spammer.
 :o Most of the spammers use real adresses (fake), but not their own.
It would be better to just delete, instead of Bounce.
Imagine a real person getting spammed by you, also a real person. Not a pretty picture, I can assure you.

Take a look here (http://www.pocosystems.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2770) for more info about this.


Just my 0.2 euro

Eric  ;)

[edit: adding link]

EVdb, everything you said is true, so that's why, best thing to do is remove checkmark from ENABLE bouncing option in MailWasher, and problem solved... see attachment. MailWasher really is one of the top, best anti-spam products ever... bad thing is, you have to pay for Pro version...

Cheers !
Title: Re:What Anti-Spam Program is Recommended?
Post by: EVdB on July 10, 2004, 03:53:42 PM
EVdb, everything you said is true, so that's why, best thing to do is remove checkmark from ENABLE bouncing option in MailWasher, and problem solved... see attachment. MailWasher really is one of the top, best anti-spam products ever... bad thing is, you have to pay for Pro version...
I know that, S.Z.Craftec, but it was meant as advice to Sunny and other persons who aren't aware of what this Bounce does in reality.  ;)
 :o The mere fact that Firetrust promotes this feature is beyond my understanding.
It should never have been incorporated in the first place. I'm also a registered user of MWP, but I don't use it anymore.
 :D In fact I don't use any seperate spam blocker, because the Bayesian filter is integrated into my email client. Pre-download filters take care to delete every banned sender/domain as well as a lot of other tools to eliminate these threats.

Have a nice weekend you all.  :)
Title: Re:What Anti-Spam Program is Recommended?
Post by: The Maxx on July 10, 2004, 05:33:59 PM
Another neat little email program seems to be IncrediMail.  My girlfriend has used that for well over a year now.  I decided to goof around with it and find a neat thing or two.

You can set it up to where you approve what emails goes into your inbox, the rest goes to junk folder.  Go through junk folder to see if any of it needs added to the approved list.

Also you can bounce back any junk email.  See junk you don't want, right click on it and tell it to bounce back to sender.  Looks as if your email address is bad.... sends them a message telling them "User unknown"   ;)
Title: Re:What Anti-Spam Program is Recommended?
Post by: S.Z.Craftec on July 10, 2004, 05:35:34 PM
EVdb wrote:
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I know that, S.Z.Craftec, but it was meant as advice to Sunny and other persons who aren't aware of what this Bounce does in reality.
The mere fact that Firetrust promotes this feature is beyond my understanding.
It should never have been incorporated in the first place. I'm also a registered user of MWP, but I don't use it anymore.
In fact I don't use any seperate spam blocker, because the Bayesian filter is integrated into my email client. Pre-download filters take care to delete every banned sender/domain as well as a lot of other tools to eliminate these threats.

Have a nice weekend you all.

Again everything you said is true, and I am 100% aware what you meant by that... there is lot of users out there and they are convinced that bouncing is something good... well, it could be something good, but today, mail bouncing is something that work against users who wants to use it... sad but true... completly clear...

...and sorry if I sounded too harsh in my last reply... my intention wasn't to argue with you, I think absolutely same way as you regarding "bounce" feature.

Cheers !
Title: Re:What Anti-Spam Program is Recommended?
Post by: The Maxx on July 10, 2004, 05:45:09 PM
MailWasher does sound pretty good.  Think I might have to give that a try.  :)
Title: Re:What Anti-Spam Program is Recommended?
Post by: EVdB on July 10, 2004, 06:08:41 PM
Also you can bounce back any junk email.  See junk you don't want, right click on it and tell it to bounce back to sender.  Looks as if your email address is bad.... sends them a message telling them "User unknown"   ;)
:o FYI: This bounce feature in IncrediMail does the same as the one in Mailwasher Pro. All bounce features are bad.

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S.Z. Craftec wrote: ...and sorry if I sounded too harsh in my last reply... my intention wasn't to argue with you, I think absolutely same way as you regarding "bounce" feature.
Not too harsh.  ;) No pun intended.
Title: Re:What Anti-Spam Program is Recommended?
Post by: bob3160 on July 10, 2004, 06:35:51 PM
To paraphraze a pun,
'I've tried all the rest and know I've found the best.'
Sasha, your right. Mailwasher Pro is the best program even though you have to pay for it.
And PLEASE don't use Bounce. It only invites more spam.
Have a nice day. ;D