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Other => General Topics => Topic started by: S.Z.Craftec on June 13, 2004, 09:32:25 PM
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This is my newest skin release... I hope everyone will like it. Yesterday, I've got e-mail from my good friend Mark Hess from USA, everyone will know him under forum nickname radicalb21... he is proud firefighter by the way...
He asked me if I could make skin for avast! with 9-11 theme. Here is copy of his e-mail:
Hey Sasha,
It’s Mark Hess again. First let me say I love and use your skins constantly. The skins I use are Lite-On, Flat ‘n’ Simple, Pirate, Corporate, and also your newest Nippon. After looking at your newest skin I got an idea and was wondering if you could a post 9-11 skin (i.e. firefighters holding the flag, or something with NYPD or FDNY logo). I know in my area of work doing public safety that is firefighting, EMT, HAZMAT Team, 911 Dispatchers were very much affected that day as was I when I found out I lost a few brothers that day. I was just wondering if you could do something along those lines. Let me know what you think. Hope to hear from you soon. Thanks again for your help.
Mark Hess
res51cue@comcast.net
www.v1ru5help.org
Be Safe. Be Smart. Use Common Sense.
Of course I took some time and I came up with this... this is the smallest thing I could do to show some respect for all those brave people who died on September 11th in WTC... see picture previews in attachment...
Regards to all !
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Second picture (without sliding panels)...
By the way, skin is finished and fully functional, I just have to wait for Vlk to perform usual tests, and to upload it in avast! skins download section...
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Hey Craftec,
It's radicalb21 again. I really appreciate you doing this for all are fallen brothers that lost there lives on 9-11. I work in the public safety field doing firefighting, emergency medical services, HAZMAT (Hazardous Material), and I'm also a 911 Dispatcher. I was very much affected that day as I was working at my county's 911 Center when that incident happened. I was also chosen to go help in the search and rescue part of the operations which went one for numerous days after 9-11. I lost a few close friends that day from FDNY. I just had to do something so when my county asked for volunteers I jumped at the chance to help search for my fellow firefighters, and police who were affected by this horrible incident.
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I hope everyone will understand why skin is made with those dry colors... it represents tons of concrete, and I really wouldn't like to see that skin in green, bright yellow or some other light colors...
I just hope everyone will understand that...
Thanks...
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I understand why and don't have a problem with the way the skin looks. I was there and he is right about the tons of concrete.
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Well... I'm just a bit uneasy about the theme of this skin.
The thing is, what I absolutely hate is when a company tries to promote their products by abusing common symbols, especially if these symbols tend to "strike right into the heart"...
I just find it a bit out of taste... :-\ (maybe not a bit)
Skins are of course not a promotion/commercial but anyway... well I don't know.
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Well, I completely agree with you Vlk, but look at that this way...
Alwil didn't make that skin and Alwil doesn't force anyone to download it and install it... it's just another ugly skin by some ugly guy from uglyland...
It's not like Alwil is trying to promote anything... why ? 'cause avast! is well known even without these skins, and I really think avast! doesn't need additional promoting... everyone knows how godd is that product... this is not Bush'es political campaign, this is just try to show some respect for all those who died in there...
Personal opinions... I don't know...
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Hey VLK,
I thought it might be a good idea. I wasn't trying to cause any type of problem. The thing is I'm a firefighter as well and I lost a few brothers (fellow firefighters) that day that were close friends of mine. I wanted to do this with the help of Sasha in memory of them and all the other people that lost there lives that day.
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It's not like Alwil is trying to promote anything... why ? 'cause avast! is well known even without these skins, and I really think avast! doesn't need additional promoting... everyone knows how godd is that product... this is not Bush'es political campaign, this is just try to show some respect for all those who died in there...
Yes but isn't having a 9-11 skin similar to e.g. having a company that makes paper-weights start making the Twins style -- because they sell well. Oh yeah, they do - but isn't that called hyenism??
I can see that there're always multiple ways to look at the same thing but this particular 9-11 skin idea makes me nervous. Anyway I'll ask the the other folks here what they think about it...
Thanks
Vlk
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S.Z.Craftec, i really love your work and this skin is great as usual. But i have to say that i agree with vlk, and i don't think that politics has something to do with Alwil. I mean this software is not used only by americans. I'm not from a side or other but i trully don't think that skins should have a politic, religion or else flavour. Keep avast fun and neutral !! ;D
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I don't wanna argue with no one... but I'll just repeat myself...
This has nothing to do with politics or anmything like that... we could talk about that for years, and years... this is just for those poor people who lost their lifes in there without any possible reason... they were there in worst possible moment... some of themlost their lifes trying to save some other people who already died in there...
Oh, it's just a skin, I like to draw... I don't wanna make discussions about what's politicaly correct or not... I HATE POLITICS no matter if it comes form Croatia, UK or USA... those politicians all are the same... croocks, nothing else... if people in this forum, avast! users and Alwil software find it offensive in any way, I'll agree with you guys... burn the skin, erease it... it's just skin nothing else... no hard feelings.
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Okay Vlk. You can post back there replies or they can post there own. I'm sorry if I caused any problems with this idea that wasn't my intent. It was only in memory of my fallen brother firefighters & EMT's and everyone else who lost someone on that day. I know first hand what it was like at ground zero as I helped in the search and rescue afterwards. The long days and long nights that I never thought would end. The country constant support in various ways helped lift some of our spirits and helped use to deal with the task we had ahead of us each and every day. We in public safety are always saying " WE WILL NEVER FORGET'. Thats why I say it is in memory of those that lost there lives that day.
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By the way, i was thinking of a skin with a chemical laboratory theme (sort of virus theme). I always thought that an antivirus should look like a "medical" software as malwares are called viruses which is related to medical term.
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S.Z.Craftec, i really love your work and this skin is great as usual. But i have to say that i agree with vlk, and i don't think that politics has something to do with Alwil. I mean this software is not used only by americans. I'm not from a side or other but i trully don't think that skins should have a politic, religion or else flavour. Keep avast fun and neutral !! ;D
I just can't believe this... POLITICS ? Where do you see politics in this ? I hate politics, I ran away from f.....g politics from my politicaly corrupted country. I hate politics... but this is just for those who gave their lifes to save someone...
I know very well that all avast! users are not from USA and I didn't say that ever... But that skin is just one more option... All users are not from Japan either, and you guys like to have Japanese skin NIPPON in skin download section... I think, that's not right...
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Not a bad Idea Le Doc. But you should start a new thread about this idea. Stay on topic.
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SZ sorry if I sounded harsh I didn't mean to... :-[
My only concern was about the fairness of offering a 9-11 skin - i.e. if the fact that avast uses the sensitive 9-11 theme doesn't give it an unfair competitive advantage. That's all... Otherwise i DO like the skin, I really do...
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I just can't believe this... POLITICS ? Where do you see politics in this ? I hate politics, I ran away from f.....g politics from my politicaly corrupted country. I hate politics... but this is just for those who gave their lifes to save someone...
I know very well that all avast! users are not from USA and I didn't say that ever... But that skin is just one more option... All users are not from Japan either, and you guys like to have Japanese skin NIPPON in skin download section... I think, that's not right...
Like you i hate politics (and also religion). Sure there is a japanese skin, but the skin is not about people who died in Hiroshima or Nagasaki. You can make an american skin, i have no problem for that. It is just that for me 9-11 is positively linked to politics and war in irak...
S.Z.Craftec, you are my friend and that is why i give you my opinion. I have a total respect for your ideas, your kindness and your work.
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Le Doc wrote:
Like you i hate politics (and also religion). Sure there is a japanese skin, but the skin is not about people who died in Hiroshima or Nagasaki. You can make an american skin, i have no problem for that. It is just that for me 9-11 is positively linked to politics and war in irak...
S.Z.Craftec, you are my friend and that is why i give you my opinion. I have a total respect for your ideas, your kindness and your work
OK, Hiroshima and Nagasaki is totaly different story. I didn't make Perl Harbour skin ;D
War in Iraq is politic's and economic's game.. I don't wanna talk about that 'cause I don't agree with any kind of violence. Once again... skin is dedicated to all those who lost their lifes under tons of concrete... simple human beings made of flash, blood and bones... no politics or/and politicians at all. Skin has 3 simple firefighters on it, not George W.Bush...
...but, as I said before - if users ot Alwil decide not to use that skin, it's vbery simple... just erase it and forget it. I am not gonna be mad. I already showed some respect for those people, I don't have anything to be ashamed of... I can make another skin with totaly different theme in about 2 hours from now... no problem at all... SkinBuilder is so easy for me now, and I'm not gonna be mad... it's just, don't mention politics in front of me, I'll go crazy when I hear that word... you know what I like ? 5 simple things...
1.) To be alive (great feeling, believe me ;D)
2.) I like chocolate
3.) I love my wife... sex too ;D
4.) my beautiful car
5.) I like avast!
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Hey VLK,
It's radicalb21. That was not the intent of the skin at all it was in memory of all those who lost their lives that day especially the firefighters, and police.
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I am for the skin. A Lot of people died. this was the WORLD trade center, american, french, germans all kinds of people died! I am proud of sasha. and if Vlk does not want to put it on the avast skin page, I will host it on my webspace for all to download, (once I get it setup monday)
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Hey, hey, hey... I like to have support, but we are here to be friends...
(erase this I don't care...)
WE ALL ARE F*****G FRIENDS !!!!
DON'T YOU ALL FORGET IT EVER !!!
No one has rights in this forum to fight with anyone. This is greatest forum ever and it will stay that way... I promise to you !
We are here to help each other. I don't wanna make people fight because of something stupid... I just tried to show my respect for all those who died... Vlk should have final word on this one and I respect it. MacLover you are greatest friend one can have. But, don't fight each other for God's sake...
I'm sure we'll find some solution...
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I have nothing but respect for those killed in 9-11, especially those who gave their lives trying to save others.
I can also see Vlk's point that some people (and we know there are some out there) who would think that Alwil were trying to gain some advantage through the use of a 9-11 skin. Even when it is not made by Alwil (but having it on their webspace would imply they sanctioned/aproved it).
I was going to suggest that it could be hosted elsewhere and MacLover beat me to the suggestion and his generous offer to host it.
David - Oxfordshire, England
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1.) To be alive (great feeling, believe me )
2.) I like chocolate
3.) I love my wife... sex too
4.) my beautiful car
5.) I like avast!
Hey S.Z.Craftec, i can't believe it !! You put chocolate before your wife. :P
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Yeah.. sorry, my mistake... new order here:
1.) I like chocolate
2.) To be alive (great feeling, believe me )
3.) I love my wife... sex too
4.) I like avast!
5.) my beautiful car
hahaha... and take a look at number of my posts in here... 911 - September 11th
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Nothing against what MacLover said but iif ALWIL says no they don't want to host it I will respect there decision. But then I would like ask permission from them to host this file on my website so they won't be blamed for anything. This is just to be far to those that like it and want it. But I'll wait and see what Alwil has to say on the subject. Can't wait to hear back from VLK on an answer. This idea was mine and mine alone and this idea was brought about only by cooperation with Craftec and his excellent eye for design. The design is his and his alone. I think it is a great skin and one that should be allowed.
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Yeah.. sorry, my mistake... new order here:
1.) I like chocolate
2.) To be alive (great feeling, believe me )
3.) I love my wife... sex too
4.) I like avast!
5.) my beautiful car
hahaha... and take a look at number of my posts in here... 911 - September 11th
Here is my order:
1) I LOVE Macs! (this is at the TOP of my list)
2) I Love my Daughter
3) I love my wife
4) I love Ice Cream
Radicab I will wait for Vlks approval to host the file of course. I am having trouble getting the webspace setup. But I hope to have it ready to go monday.
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Hey MacLover,
It's radicalb21. Nothing against you but I don't want you to use up your bandwidth hosting that file. Granted I don't know what your bandwith restriction is. But with my host having a daily alloted amount of 5 GB's daily of traffic and downloads. But you should use the webspcae for your own not hosting other people files. Simply put bandwidth is very exspensive. But I have a very good deal from my host. I'm also a reseller in the USA for AVAST. Nothing against you or your gesture of hosting the file I really appreciate the offer. Thanks by the way for agreeing with what Sasha and I were saying about this skin.
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But I have a very good deal from my host
THey offer a free account or a paid account. I have the paid account and am allotted 25 GB of bandwidth a week! (plus I dont expect many people to dpwnload My logic-dag and iPod-Dag for win or mac :'()
Thanks by the way for agreeing with what Sasha and I were saying about this skin.
Not a problem. one of my Friends lost his mother in 9/11 :'(
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Hey MacLover,
it's radicalb21. I'm using POWWEB as my hosting company. There website URL is : www.powweb.com . The cost is 7.77 a month but you either purchase it on a quarterly basis, yearly, or two year blocks. here is a link to what I get and the cost of the service and what they provide:
http://www.powweb.com/webhosting.htm
of course if you chose quarterly there is a $20.00 setup fee. After that you are paying $ 23.31 a quarter. There uptime is excellent.
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ok I have a 6 month paid already to Spymac so I will look at your web host once the 6 months are up ;)
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S.Z.Craftec, why don't you make a 9-11 avatar for radicalb21 ? This would be correct since an avatar is personal and has nothing to do with alwil...
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Well, just because I don't have enough time... I'm working somedays 12 hours a day... He already asked me to make him an avatar, and I helped him. I made that avatar for him. Why should I make another one now, 'cause he already has pretty new avatar ?
Skin is much bigger appreciation from my side than little avatar. I feel sorry for those people and I had to make something. Skin is something... I think people in USA will be quite happy with it... France is well known as "USA politics hater", so I'll just leave it like that. I don't have anything to do with politics and I don't even wanna think about it. I'll just leave it to you guys... ;)
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I didn't want to offense you... :'(
I live in France but i'm not a "USA politics hater" as you think. I don't care about politics anyway (as i already said). All my concerns was about Alwil and Avast users (not me personaly). The majority of the world (me included) think that 9-11 was a tragedy... But some think it was a good thing... >:(
That is why i thought Alwil should keep out of this mess since avast is not only made for pro americans.
Again, i agree with you and your ideas and have a total respect for your great job. Please don't hate me :-[
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I didn't want to offense you... :'(
No you didn't offense me in any way my friend... don't look at this that way. You maybe offensed the idea of making skin theme like that, but for sure not me. I'm not stupid, I completely and 100% understand what you are talking.
The majority of the world (me included) think that 9-11 was a tragedy... But some think it was a good thing... >:(
I disagreee with so many things USA did in the past... I don't like the fact that they like to play like "World's unofficial policeman", but common... who is that stupid in the world to think that everything what happened to those poor, innocent, ordinary people on September 11th in the WTC, was good thing ? I really can't imagine somebody saying: "oh, they deserved it..." Who deserved it ? People who worked hard that day in WTC, or children with moms, or policemans, or brave firefighters ? I don't think so... if somebody think like that, he/she should has his/her brain checked...
Again, i agree with you and your ideas and have a total respect for your great job. Please don't hate me :-[
Thanks Le Doc, but I really don't hate you, 'cause I don't like to hate anyone. I love all people, no matter of their political or religious commitment, no matter what color they are, no matter they maybe are different... everyone deserves to be loved, but we all must give some love in addition to get some. Nothing is for free in this world, so, Love asks for some love to be complete feeling.
Cheers !
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Dear Sasha,
I love all people, no matter of their political or religious commitment, no matter what color they are, no matter they maybe are different... everyone deserves to be loved, but we all must give some love in addition to get some. Nothing is for free in this world, so, Love asks for some love to be complete feeling.
I agree with you 10000000%. I can't understand how honering those who gave their lives in an attempt to save others during a terrorist attack can EVER be considered a political issue. :o
I further think that the new skin honering those who gave their lives in trying to save others is extreamely well made and would be more than honored to display it on my computer.
As a personal note, I'd like to remind all of those who think that trying to free the poeple in Iraq is an invasion of what when on during Hitlers time.... The people in Iraq deserve to have their Hitler (Sadam) ousted from power just as Hitler was removed during WWII.
I know that most of you can't remember back that far but I think the term "Never again" applies.....
Remember, FREEDOM is never free and terrorist are nothing more than cowards who pray on the inocent.
I think that's enough phylosophy. ;D
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Hey Bob,
It's radicalb21. Thanks for the support we really appreciate it.
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I agree with Bob.
radicalb21, Sasha and others like MacLover, who offered to provide the skin on his site, deserve our support.
I suspect those trying to turn it into politics have little to be proud of themselves, though I can understand Alwil's position to a small point.
Thanks Radicalb and Sasha!!!!!!
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Thanks Jarron.
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I have to agree with Sasha, Radicalb21, and MacLover and other who are for the skin. I too would host the skin file on my bandwidth.
If nothing else we could make it a forum available skin. Keep it off the Avast main page.
However, I feel that this would be an offense to the people who died. Almost, like saying that you are ashamed to host a memorial skin, hiding behind the anti-political stance. Yet, this is not my company, not even a tiny bit, so my say is no say. I am simply offering my OPINION and a POSSIBLE solution. I don't see the politics in it and being American I can say that I as well as most of my fellow countrymen would enjoy it. Thank you "Craftec" for caring enough to spend your time to create a minor masterpiece. I would be proud to use your skin.
In my OPINION, this topic is being blown out of proportion, no one would take offense to the option of downloading a memorial skin.
If you want to talk politics at this time in history the French and the Americans don't seem to be getting along very well. According to the news that is, I personally have family in Germany and Ireland but I don't know anyone in France. *Sigh* such a shame seeing as how they gave us one of our most notable statues, The Statue of Liberty. Hopefully, someday our tattered friendship can be patched. Perhaps issues of this kind should be left to the ones that it effects.
The fact is that Alwill (Avast) has the final say.
the OPINIONATED
KezZ
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One thing about the unofficial policeman comment.
Not singling anyone out but I hear this alot and it is extremely irratating.
I am not saying that everything this country does is great. I will say that we do alot for the world. The funny thing is that no one bitches about taking our money or aid. Yet, so many people still hate us. I watched CNN one night and the USA was giving Spain 200 million dollars for aids research and relief, granted this is not a HUGE amount but the people at the conference in Spain actually booed the U.S. Same channel a little later stated that we were giving Egypt 40 billion dollars.
We give so that others may have.
*SIGH* we have starving people here, and no national healthcare. The money this country hands out could fix the majority of our own problems. But, it not in our nature to be overly greedy.
The big thing now is IRAQ, well Saddam should have been removed long ago, after gassing his own people for example and drug to an internationa court for crimes against humanity.
AND ITS A DAMN GOOD THING that I don't run this country because I would follow the teachings of SUN_TZU and to the victor go the spoils.
It seems to me that the countries not endorsing or helping were gaining from that regime. My own ancestry included (Germany) for instance building bunkers, selling arms, and black market oil.
Again this is my feelings on the issue, if you take offense to them its on you.
KEZZ
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That is why i thought Alwil should keep out of this mess since avast is not only made for pro americans.
I'm pretty sure it's really not the reason. We don't think there was anything "good" in the attacks, and I believe we wouldn't mind loosing a few customers who think that.
The thing is that we are afraid that the victims (and other people as well) may feel that we are abusing their tragedy for our own advertisement and profit.
I know, we didn't create the skin ourselves... and you may say that by denying the skin, it may seem we are denying the support... I really don't know what to do.
Well, just my opinion...
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Yeah it might be nice for radicalb21,but others(those who don't know our "little" family) might think different. Sorry,but i agree with igor.
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Igor, you are greatest of all !!! So many thoughts and clever ideas with only few words. I like people like you my friend ! We all should think just like you.
I don't know what to do either... how about poll and votting ?
In the mean time, please search for my newest thread under name "to SKIN or not to SKIN ?" in General Topics. You'll see my newest skin. Maybe we could publish that one untill decide what to do with 9-11 skin...
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How about hosting it on another site as others have generously offered, and perhaps by S.Z. Craftec's signature line adding a little disclaimer, something to the effect of "Alwil is not responsible for, nor necessarily endorses this skin" in small type?
Only those who frequent this forum and are aware of the controversies would know where to find it, and obviously if they don't want it they won't download it. I don't think those who are already offended by it will be any more offended.
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I think all of us have heard of WinAmp.
There are more skins available for that program than you can shake a stick at. The skin Has nothing to do with the program. It is only a lampshade. It isn't the lightbulb..........
Since when does it require the approval of General Electric if I decide to use a certain Lampshade to cover the light bulb?????
I hope you understand my point.
The skin neither adds nor detracts from the product. It's only a picture which displays the functions of the product.
And that should have nothing to do with politics, only personal choice. I for one would love the new skin but, that's my opinion.
And, you are entitled to your opinion which is your right under free speech and free choice. :)
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I see your point, Bob. However I can't force General Electric to supply me with a pink lampshade when I buy their bulbs. I can't even force them to make pink bulbs if they don't want to. (Please understand this is an example, I really have no interest in pink bulbs or lampshades :P).
I can't say I fully understand how or why people would find honoring those who deserve honor offensive, but it's clear that some may from the responses.
Not being a victim or relative of a victim I don't understand why they wouldn't welcome it either, yet I suspect Igor may have a valid concern.
I believe it would be a big shame to see this great skin go to waste. But I also believe that it's up to Alwil if they want to host it, and if they have legitimate reasons not to it's not up to me to tell them otherwise. I appreciate the unselfish service they provide with avast! and will not hold a business decision against them.
That's why if avast! dosen't want to sponsor the skin I hope they'll a least look the other way while someone else hosts it on their site. I don't know the legalities involved, if any. I don't remember if there's anything applicable in the license agreement or not that would apply to skinning.
But again IT WOULD BE A TERRIBLE SHAME TO SEE THIS SKIN GO TO WASTE
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Jarron
Your right, you cant force GE to supply you with a lamp shade.
I am not asking Alwil to supply me with the skin but, I'd like to use it.
Just as I use a skin for WinAmp and for Windows MediaPlayer etc....
I'm not asking Alwil to approve or disapprove the theme of this skin, just the fact that the skin doesn't alter the operation of Avast!
I'm sure that's not political in any way....
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We're in full agreement then Bob ;)
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OK people enjoy the skin!
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THANK YOU avast! Thank you Sasha, RadicalB and all.
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Thanks Alwil, you all know it's just for all those poor souls that were at wrong place in the wrong time... We mentioned using some tragedy for promoting products... that's lowest that anyone can go, but not Alwil and not avast! users... this software is strong enough, that we don't have to be affraid for it's future just because of one skin...
avast! RULEZ !!!
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a brilliant memorial.
Thanks to all.
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Thanks Vlk and Alwil.
Now we just need to find out where it's going to be available.
Before I forget, thanks Sasha, with out you, this skin wouldn't be there.
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Thanks Vlk and Alwil.
Now we just need to find out where it's going to be available.
Of course it's already available in avast! skins download section:
http://www.avast.com/i_kat_71.html (http://www.avast.com/i_kat_71.html)
Note: If it's not showing in there, that's probably because of Internet Explorer is using cache... just click REFRESH few times... but, I think you use Firefox or something Mozilla related...
Greets !
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Thanks Vlk and Alwil.
Now we just need to find out where it's going to be available.
Well, I'm not sure is it just because of me... don't think so. Everybody came up with conclusion that this is smallest thing we can do to show our respect... 3 years latter ? Well, I didn't know how to make avast! skins back then in 2001, so I did it few days ago. Never is too late... I would say we all have to thank to my friend Mark Hess - Radicalb21 (by the way, where is he ?). He started all this, he gave me idea. He is guy with huge heart I would say !
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Thanks Sasha it's been installed. Excellent
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Sorry I haven't been around the last couple of days as my work schedule has been rather chaotic at best. I work twelve hour shifts and sometime I'm just so tired after working all day at the center and riding Fire and EMS calls through the night and having to be in to work early the last few mornings. Today was especially hectic with numerous medevacs, HAZMAT, medical calls and fire calls. I was suppose to get off at 7 pm and didn't get off til 20 minuties ago as we have been really busy today. There I'm done venting now. First let me thank you to everyone for the the support in reference to this 9-11 theme skin. Thanks to ALWIL as well. Your a great friend VLK and a great knowledge base to draw from in reference to security.
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... 3 years latter ? Well, I didn't know how to make avast! skins back then in 2001, so I did it few days ago. Never is too late...
I think the timing is right. Sept 12, 2001 we didn't need to be reminded.
Today there are some who were more directly affected who will never be able to forget.
There are way too many who seem to have forgotten already and want to pretend it never happened. I think that's a shame and dangerous.
Terrorism goes on today by different means on different scales in different countries. We hear about it one day, sympathize with the people and countries involved, and then forget about it the next day.
We think "It's too bad so many were killed in [pick a place] but let's get on with our lives and go back to our comforts and hope and pretend....
I guess I'd better stop, I've probably said too much already. But, no, I don't think it's too late.