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Title: Google, Citing Attack, Threatens to Exit China [FIXED :) ]
Post by: Hermite15 on January 13, 2010, 10:38:04 AM
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/14/world/asia/14beijing.html
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aTw_G7T4pEtE&pos=9

http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2010/01/new-approach-to-china.html
http://www.uscc.gov/researchpapers/2009/NorthropGrumman_PRC_Cyber_Paper_FINAL_Approved%20Report_16Oct2009.pdf

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A new approach to China
1/12/2010 03:00:00 PM
Like many other well-known organizations, we face cyber attacks of varying degrees on a regular basis. In mid-December, we detected a highly sophisticated and targeted attack on our corporate infrastructure originating from China that resulted in the theft of intellectual property from Google. However, it soon became clear that what at first appeared to be solely a security incident--albeit a significant one--was something quite different.

First, this attack was not just on Google. As part of our investigation we have discovered that at least twenty other large companies from a wide range of businesses--including the Internet, finance, technology, media and chemical sectors--have been similarly targeted. We are currently in the process of notifying those companies, and we are also working with the relevant U.S. authorities.

Second, we have evidence to suggest that a primary goal of the attackers was accessing the Gmail accounts of Chinese human rights activists. Based on our investigation to date we believe their attack did not achieve that objective. Only two Gmail accounts appear to have been accessed, and that activity was limited to account information (such as the date the account was created) and subject line, rather than the content of emails themselves.

Third, as part of this investigation but independent of the attack on Google, we have discovered that the accounts of dozens of U.S.-, China- and Europe-based Gmail users who are advocates of human rights in China appear to have been routinely accessed by third parties. These accounts have not been accessed through any security breach at Google, but most likely via phishing scams or malware placed on the users' computers

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These attacks and the surveillance they have uncovered--combined with the attempts over the past year to further limit free speech on the web--have led us to conclude that we should review the feasibility of our business operations in China. We have decided we are no longer willing to continue censoring our results on Google.cn, and so over the next few weeks we will be discussing with the Chinese government the basis on which we could operate an unfiltered search engine within the law, if at all. We recognize that this may well mean having to shut down Google.cn, and potentially our offices in China.

Title: Re: Google, Citing Attack, Threatens to Exit China
Post by: Chris Thomas on January 13, 2010, 11:22:27 AM
I read this here

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/8455712.stm

It is very difficult for companies like Google to work in China becoz of human rights issue.

I think everyone must follow suit
Title: Re: Google, Citing Attack, Threatens to Exit China
Post by: Hermite15 on January 13, 2010, 12:03:34 PM
Unfortunately China has also "Baidu", a local search engine that has already 65% market share in China, and complying with any government censorship requirement...
Title: Re: Google, Citing Attack, Threatens to Exit China
Post by: Hermite15 on January 13, 2010, 12:19:08 PM
interesting, and unfortunately not what we (I) would have expected...
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/01/13/AR2010011300771.html
Title: Re: Google, Citing Attack, Threatens to Exit China
Post by: Chris Thomas on January 13, 2010, 03:36:05 PM
@ Logos

Baidu's relation with Google goes back many years.

Baidu shares were owned by Google right. I think they offloaded 2.5% of the shares in 2006.

It is a wonder why every tech company is ready to obey the communist government of China.

Human rights must be valued more than millions of dollars
Title: Re: Google, Citing Attack, Threatens to Exit China
Post by: polonus on January 13, 2010, 04:18:47 PM
Hi malware fighters,

Google and Adobe came under attack by hackers seeking after source code. They finally admitted this:
http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/01/google-hack-attack
The hackers now use unpatched Adobe holes and prepared PDF-documents, GData already warned PDF is a a priori unsafe extension. Google admitted to the attack as the above poster here, Chris Thomas, cites.
Advisory against the hacks here: http://www.adobe.com/support/security/bulletins/apsb10-02.html
The attacks differed from those in June but the same command and control servers have been used to perform them,

polonus
Title: Re: Google, Citing Attack, Threatens to Exit China
Post by: Hermite15 on January 13, 2010, 04:26:12 PM
I don't think that's doable, but following this it would be nice to find a way to prevent Baidu from indexing anything out of China   ;D or do that clicking on any EU/US link in a Baidu search bounces back to...Baidu.
Title: Re: Google, Citing Attack, Threatens to Exit China
Post by: Chris Thomas on January 13, 2010, 05:03:09 PM
Hmm....

The Chinese government does a lot of smiling  ;D

They heavy dump their products into countries and protect their companies

No country have the guts to take them to the WTO

Because the Chinese are bankrolling many countries in the UN and have their support as a result.
Title: Re: Google, Citing Attack, Threatens to Exit China
Post by: polonus on January 14, 2010, 12:02:42 AM
I could get to avast webforum through baidu proxy:
http://www.luhui.net/ie/index.php?q=aHR0cDovL2ZvcnVtLmF2YXN0LmNvbS9pbmRleC5waHA/UEhQU0VTU0lEPTJlYjc1NDExOGI1NTgxZWVmYjI4ZDRkMDJjMGJkZDlmJmFtcDthY3Rpb249bG9naW4%3D

polonus
Title: Re: Google, Citing Attack, Threatens to Exit China
Post by: Chris Thomas on January 14, 2010, 09:16:19 AM
I think we must turn on the SSL in Gmail as our default settings
Title: Re: Google, Citing Attack, Threatens to Exit China
Post by: Hermite15 on January 14, 2010, 10:04:10 AM
I think we must turn on the SSL in Gmail as our default settings
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Google flips default switch for always-on Gmail crypto
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/01/13/gmail_default_encryption/
Title: Re: Google, Citing Attack, Threatens to Exit China
Post by: Hermite15 on January 14, 2010, 01:31:37 PM
more here and how hackers operate:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704281204575002573024282764.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

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Analysts say hackers around the world, especially from China, frequently attack Taiwan companies' computers by installing software through Trojan horses and backdoors. The attacked computers are referred to as "zombie computers" or victims of a "botnet," which let hackers control them remotely. Taiwan's robust Internet network has also made it appealing to international hackers. "Taiwan's internet infrastructure is well established, and computers are highly popular, which means [hackers] can easily find problematic computers to attack," said Steven Tsai, senior engineer of Taiwan's National Center for High Performance Computing

(if you launch the link to this article from Google news, you'll get the entire article without having to be a subscriber)
Title: Re: Google, Citing Attack, Threatens to Exit China
Post by: polonus on January 14, 2010, 08:43:39 PM
Hi malware fighters,

With the ongoing succesful attacks on Google and Adobe companies may consider blocking all Internet traffic from and to China, this is the vision of security expert Timothy "Thor" Mullen, who wrote an article one and a half years ago on completely blocking certain countries on the Internet. Now China is hot news again, he points to this. "I like to point out tools to you one could get from the site Hammer of God to have some party block all traffic from and to China or whatever country via ISA/TMG." He himself has been blocking China for years and years because the whole of the Chinese network is full of cyber criminals and hackers." (N.B. his vision - not mine).

Mullen writes in his article about various technologies to block countries according to IP- and port numbers. "Geographically blocking traffic might be a good idea I think. It is according to principles like security-in-depth and least-rights." Blocking traffic to and from a country may work, but it is not a panacea for every situation. Some companies cannot have such an official policy, according to Mullen. "And that is fine, but whenever you can, know you can make simple report and policies to jelp secure your infrastructure.
Links:
http://www.hammerofgod.com/home.html
http://www.securityfocus.com/infocus/1900/1
Other Chinese attacks: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34855470/ns/technology_and_science-washington_post/
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE60D0C120100114
On the other hand one must also think about this background of the momentary conflict, the position of Baidu (77% of the Chinese search market) versus Google.cn:
http://brainstormtech.blogs.fortune.cnn.com/2009/12/28/google-v-baidu-which-company-will-win-china/

polonus
Title: Re: Google, Citing Attack, Threatens to Exit China
Post by: Hermite15 on January 15, 2010, 12:31:37 AM
OK fine but as mentioned in the article I linked to above, they're using Taiwanese proxies so  ???  ;D

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People familiar with the attacks say the hackers tried to mask their identity by routing their efforts through six Internet addresses located in Taiwan, a common tactic used by Chinese hackers.

Five of the six addresses were owned by Era Digital Media Co., a company that provides television programs and movies through the Internet. Era Digital, which has some 800,000 daily viewers, said it wasn't aware of the attack and declined to comment further. The sixth address is owned by Qi Wei Technology Co., a financial software provider. Qi Wei said it had stopped using the relevant address in June.

Lee Hsiang-chen, director of Taiwan National Police Agency's High-tech Criminal Center, said the two companies were likely victims themselves. "The two companies were probably attacked," he said, adding that Chinese hackers prefer to infiltrate Taiwan Web sites because they use the same language
Title: Re: Google, Citing Attack, Threatens to Exit China
Post by: Hermite15 on January 15, 2010, 12:19:54 PM
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Ballmer: Microsoft Will Stay in China
http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/186964/ballmer_microsoft_will_stay_in_china.html

also, and a French article mentioned Balmer didn't acknowledge that yet, but MS was considering the possible flaw in IE:
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Operation “Aurora” Hit Google, Others...
McAfee Labs has been working around the clock, diving deep into the attack we are now calling Aurora that hit multiple companies and was publicly disclosed by Google on Tuesday.  

We are working with multiple organizations that were impacted by this attack as well as the government and law enforcement. As part of our investigation, we analyzed several pieces of malicious code that we have confirmed were used in attempts to penetrate several of the targeted organizations.

New Internet Explorer Zero Day
In our investigation we discovered that one of the malware samples involved in this broad attack exploits a new, not publicly known vulnerability in Microsoft Internet Explorer. We informed Microsoft about this vulnerability and Microsoft published an advisory and a blog post on the matter on Thursday afternoon.
http://siblog.mcafee.com/cto/operation-%E2%80%9Caurora%E2%80%9D-hit-google-others/
http://www.zdnet.fr/actualites/informatique/0,39040745,39712246,00.htm
(there's a CNBC interview embedded in this article from Balmer)

see here:
http://www.cnbc.com/id/15840232?video=1385649601&play=1
Title: Re: Google, Citing Attack, Threatens to Exit China
Post by: Hermite15 on January 15, 2010, 12:36:07 PM
about IE security involvement in attacks against Google: ...and others

http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/advisory/979352.mspx
http://blogs.technet.com/msrc/archive/2010/01/14/security-advisory-979352.aspx

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Security Advisory 979352 Released

Based upon our investigations, we have determined that Internet Explorer was one of the vectors used in targeted and sophisticated attacks against Google and possibly other corporate networks.  Today, Microsoft issued guidance to help customers mitigate a Remote Code Execution (RCE) vulnerability in Internet Explorer.  Additionally, we are cooperating with Google and other companies, as well as authorities and other industry partners.

edit: see here too:
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IE zero-day used in Chinese cyber assault on 34 firms
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/01/14/cyber_assault_followup/

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Microsoft admits Explorer used in Google China hack
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/8460819.stm
Title: Re: Google, Citing Attack, Threatens to Exit China
Post by: Hermite15 on January 15, 2010, 12:53:15 PM
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Chinese government-backed search engine blocks access to Google company blog
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Baidu, China's dominant search engine, has apparently cut off access to Google's company blog, after a post appeared there detailing the latter company's decision to cease cooperation with the Chinese government over concerns with censorship and cyber crime
http://www.brafton.com/industry-news/chinese-government-backed-search-engine-blocks-access-google-company-blog-$1353329.htm

someone on another forum where I post mentioned this, but gave no source and no link:
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Alright, according to some news from China, Google had broke up with China government: No more google.cn, NO more Google China. Every employee of Google China will have a half year salary as severance pay and willing to find them jobs in other branch office of Google.
so this is completely unconfirmed so far...
Title: Re: Google, Citing Attack, Threatens to Exit China
Post by: Hermite15 on January 15, 2010, 01:24:39 PM
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Security experts dissect Google China attack
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/01/14/google_china_attack_analysis/
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The code samples obtained by iDefense from the July attack and the present attack are different, but they contact two similar hosts for command-and-control communication. The servers used in both attacks employ the HomeLinux DynamicDNS provider, and both are currently pointing to IP addresses owned by Linode, a US-based company that offers Virtual Private Server hosting.

The IP addresses in question are within the same subnet, and they are six IP addresses apart from each other. Considering this proximity, it is possible that the two attacks are one and the same, and that the organizations targeted in the Silicon Valley attacks have been compromised since July
Title: Re: Google, Citing Attack, Threatens to Exit China
Post by: polonus on January 15, 2010, 01:35:15 PM
Hi Logos,

Through these links that you have provided for us we can gradually depict the overall situation and it looks grim and it has various apparent and hidden implications, corporational interests play an important role, I think the privacy issue is being used more or less as an excuse or pretext. Apart from what really is at stake, there are the security issues also. It means the Internet is a place where threats raise their ugly heads everywhere, it does not matter from what angle they come in - zombie bot herder, malcreant cyber crime exploit user, targeted hack developer, cyber army skirmishes, malcode is "on the wire" everywhere all over the Internet, and the unaware aren't really helping the situation and those in charge turning a blind eye, we are in a predicament. Again we need China in the world and its century old culture and wisdom,

polonus
Title: Re: Google, Citing Attack, Threatens to Exit China
Post by: Hermite15 on January 15, 2010, 01:39:14 PM
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Again we need China in the world and its century old culture and wisdom

wisdom  ??? ...myth  ;) ... and weren't you mentioning yourself yesterday web sites suggesting that servers should IP block China?
Title: Re: Google, Citing Attack, Threatens to Exit China
Post by: polonus on January 15, 2010, 02:02:26 PM
Hi Logos,

Yes I have posted about how to block all of China and Korea as such if parties would think this would help. Also reckon that a lot of malcreants outside of China operate there, that is what I meant with that rephrase.

Internet Explorer has a very serious zero-day security hole
The vulnerability through which the attackers on Google used, works on all flaws of IE and works on each and every platform. As far as we know they used the attack via Internet Explorer 6 an a malicious website. Internet Explorer 8 in combination with Data Execution Prevention (DEP) prevents the attack. Well Microsoft thinks about launching an emergency patch. According to the software vendor the attack has only be seen in very targeted attacks, but every firm should reckon with the threat's danger.

"Complex attacks for specific corporational networks are often seen", says Microsoft Security Response Center (MSRC)'s Mike Reavy. He says that the Protected Mode inside IE 7 on Windows Vista and beyond limits what attackers can do. Users also could enable Data Execution Prevention (DEP)here. Or use Firefox with NoScript and Request Policy extensions installed, because again and again Javascript is at the culprit of mentioned attack.

Trojan horse
The attack itself was launched using, yes again folks, JavaScript code abusing the zero-day holek in Internet Explorer, acoording to MacAfee's Craig Schmugar. As soon as the OS was infested, the exploit installed a file drom a website, know taken offline. This file that installed a remote access Trojan (RAT), loading at start up. Malware also contacted a remote server, enabling the attacker access to the infected system. Schmugar confirms the attack cannot work with DEP installed,

polonus

Title: Re: Google, Citing Attack, Threatens to Exit China
Post by: Hermite15 on January 15, 2010, 02:07:48 PM
yeah my mistake, I forgot they indeed mentioned IE 6 was mainly used...this said a majority of users don't have, as they suggested, security set to "high" in IE8. DEP yes.
Title: Re: Google, Citing Attack, Threatens to Exit China
Post by: Hermite15 on January 15, 2010, 04:24:38 PM
as mentioned earlier, Adobe has been under attack too, see article link posted by Pondus here:
http://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=52252.msg453321#msg453321
http://www.v3.co.uk/v3/news/2256152/adobe-hit-chinese-google-attack

so it's not just Adobe as a company that's been attacked, but may be vulnerabilities used in pdf attachments that may have been another vector of attack against Google as stated here:

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Security experts beg to differ, however. F-Secure chief research officer Mikko Hyppönen wrote in a blog posting yesterday: "We believe the attack was launched via a convincing email with an exploit-ridden PDF attachment."
http://www.f-secure.com/weblog/archives/00001854.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFw9ZHy0V3c
Title: Re: Google, Citing Attack, Threatens to Exit China
Post by: Hermite15 on January 15, 2010, 07:24:08 PM
not sure if this link has been posted yet:

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Researchers identify command servers behind Google attack

VeriSign iDefense researchers have identified the source of the recent cyber-assault against Google and have found the command-and-control servers that were used to orchestrate the attack.
http://arstechnica.com/security/news/2010/01/researchers-identify-command-servers-behind-google-attack.ars
Title: Re: Google, Citing Attack, Threatens to Exit China
Post by: polonus on January 15, 2010, 10:57:19 PM
Hi Logos,

More news here: Update today
After Yahoo, Symantec, Northrop Grumman and Dow Chemical have been attacked, also network giant Juniper was to be hacked. The company does not deny nor confirm this info of an attack.

Update today
To prevent detection of the malware on the company network the attackers made use of encryption, according to McAfee as they told Wired. "We never saw encryption on this level. It was rather cleverly done", according to Dmitri Alperovitch, vice president threat research. How the Google worker was taken to the malcoded site, will be published later. This could have been via e-mail,
Instant Messaging or Facebook.

At the end of the day a dozen instants of malware were placed on the system. One of the malicious software was a backdoor and an encrypted "covert channel", posing as a SSL-connection to prevent detection. The infected machine was then used to attack the rest of the Google company network. Just like Kurtz does, Alperovitch affirms that McAfee is sitting on information it is not allowed yet to disclose,

polonus

Info on the trojan used in the attacks:
http://blog.threatexpert.com/2010/01/trojanhydraq-exposed.html

Damian
Title: Re: Google, Citing Attack, Threatens to Exit China
Post by: Hermite15 on January 15, 2010, 11:13:54 PM
hey Polonus,

that's very interesting info as usual... ;)

edit: what I'm actually wondering right now is how far is Google ready to push that, are they gonna take down Google.cn or not...there's a lot of speculation going on.
Title: Re: Google, Citing Attack, Threatens to Exit China
Post by: polonus on January 15, 2010, 11:40:56 PM
Hi Logos,

You got your answer here: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/01/15/us_google_china/
Google is doing their own form of ad policing at home:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/01/15/google_bans_thirty_thousand_from_adwords/

The browser issue - Important is to look at the number of unpatched advisories. Internet Explorer always has a large number still open (highly critical ones) those in Firefox do not take that long to get patched:

source Secunia
IE8 unpatched 4 50% Vulnerability Report: Microsoft Internet Explorer 8.x

Unpatched 50% (4 of 8 Secunia advisories)

Most Critical Unpatched
The most severe unpatched Secunia advisory affecting Microsoft Internet Explorer 8.x, with all vendor patches applied, is rated Extremely critical

Firefox unpatched 0
Vulnerability Report: Mozilla Firefox 3.5.x

Unpatched 0% (0 of 6 Secunia advisories)

Most Critical Unpatched
There are no unpatched Secunia advisories affecting this product, when all vendor patches are applied.

But the used hole in the attacks was for IE6
Our investigation so far has shown that Internet Explorer 5.01 Service Pack 4 on Microsoft Windows 2000 Service Pack 4 is not affected, and that Internet Explorer 6 Service Pack 1 on Microsoft Windows 2000 Service Pack 4, and Internet Explorer 6, Internet Explorer 7 and Internet Explorer 8 on supported editions of Windows XP, Windows Server 2003, Windows Vista, Windows Server 2008, Windows 7, and Windows Server 2008 R2 are affected.

And Chinese exploited this hole before: http://blog.trendmicro.com/zero-day-ie-flaw-being-actively-exploited/



How long has this hole been there unpatched (independent of using UAC and/or DEP that came in as additional solutions with Vista and later with W7) Another conclusion is that users cannot use XP SP3 anymore without additional security measures like a normal user account for using applications on the Internet and/or javascript blocking inside browsers (not available in IE so far)...again a lot of corporations did not make the switch from IE6 or XP on a network scale. Will this and other threats be a way to enforce the mitigation a bit, pure speculation of course on my part, well what is it then?

polonus


Title: Re: Google, Citing Attack, Threatens to Exit China
Post by: Hermite15 on January 16, 2010, 12:02:14 AM
yeah I knew the issue became/is/was very political, and an intervention of the US gvt was indeed expected. A Google rep said today that Google.cn (well, obviously not down yet...) still filters what it use to until now. Next days...or may be next week will be interesting.
 As to IE, running IE6 even patched today sounds so mad... I always have a laugh when I see my Secunia summary showing "no fix" for Internet Explorer 8  ;D

edit: a first reaction may be (on Thursday night already...)
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China blocks number-one movie site IMDb
http://www.techradar.com/news/internet/china-blocks-number-one-movie-site-imdb-663458
source: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/01/14/china_firewall/
Title: Re: Google, Citing Attack, Threatens to Exit China
Post by: polonus on January 16, 2010, 01:07:48 AM
Hi Logos,

Good reporting means to report on both side of this issue.
Please, read here, hypothesis from the past:
http://pubservant.blogspot.com/2007/10/chinese-cyber-army-myth-or-reality.html
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So, is there really an army of PLA hackers that are blatantly attacking western government's computer networks, or is this just paranoia and China bashing?
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I mean, could you imagine senior western government officials browsing the net and downloading dodgy software during their working hours on their government computers? Well, maybe you can, but then the problem wouldn't really be the hackers, would it?
that implicates that the Google employee was searching the Internet with IE6 (in a Google internet environment where everyone uses Google Chrome, renowned for it virtual tab security, a bit strange as we analyze the fact, or this employee was opening e-mail attachments or was using Twitter, Facebook etc.)
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The more important question is then how many hackers does it take to exploit the security hole of a networking software? My answer would be ... just 1 actually.


conclusion:
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Therefore, the idea of armies of PLA hackers launch coordinate software exploit attacks on western government networks is not really plausible.

Seems orchestraded like it says here:
(http://www.reuters.com/article/internetNews/idUSL2225757020071022?sp=true):
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So what we could have here is is a piece of software that scans a network of systems for an existing vulnerability which can be exploited, allowing the host to be compromised WITHOUT REQUIRING ANY ACTION FROM THE USER.
Then we are back at base one and Chinese CyberCrime again exists and it goes against the lone malcreant theory of the author. The truth is out there, but what one?
We have seen the future, and it does not belong to you...
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/12/31/the_out_of_control_decade/

"There's always free cheese in a mousetrap, baby."

polonus

Title: Re: Google, Citing Attack, Threatens to Exit China
Post by: Chris Thomas on January 16, 2010, 10:22:06 AM
The Obama administration is one of the weakest administration that ever existed in American history.

They only talk and complaint like small kids.

It is urgent that the yfree world have a ver good CYBER DEFENSE

The Chinese economy only grow through espionage...

It is amazing that only 23% of the corporate world in America use SSL


Title: Re: Google, Citing Attack, Threatens to Exit China
Post by: Hermite15 on January 16, 2010, 12:31:27 PM
yeah Polonus, it's indeed very difficult to find out how it happened with Google. One million theories are possible, from the attacked user downloading malware without being aware of anything (and it's not just porn or cracks like the author of the article you mentioned said to prove his point...we all know it could just as well be stuff that sounds legit) to the infiltated user running IE6 purposely and what else...we'll never know, and it's not usual that a company discloses the details of such an attack after an investigation.
 I don't even know if a majority of users are running Chrome in Google offices. That's a cliché and a journalism...humm...cliché  ;D Now if a majority does indeed run Chrome, strange a hacker (from China) did just find the one running IE6...sounds quite improbable...unless as said (by me) the IE6 user is an infiltrated Chinese agent who tried to conceal the attack means by looking like a victim himself. Everything is possible Secret services didn't wait for the Internet to happen to use all sorts of means, everything in this area is allowed we know that and we also know that we never get to know the truth in most cases, at least not a detailed truth.
 I for one would believe and accept for now some sort of very global truth: Google as well as tens of other companies and western gvt networks have been attacked again and again by intelligence services working directly for the Chinese authorities.
 Yeah, not saying that "we" (the West) don't have such practices...don't tell me that Israel  the US, UK and the French are not spying, they do it all the time... but, at gvt level with enemies and not commercial allies like China does. This is all theory...I admit I can't make any factual statement in this area. Too many rumors, and I'm not an insider.
 What does interest me to be honest is whether Google yes or no will stick to its word... and we don't know yet. I have doubts...I can well imagine that in a few months from now Google will be posting on their blog that they're still having talks with the Chinese and Google.cn will still be up and running and filtering...

may be a beginning of something happening, see here:
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Google.cn is going rogue
Jan 16, 2010 17:16
http://asia.cnet.com/blogs/sinobytes/post.htm?id=63016204&scid=hm_bl

(http://asia.cnet.com/u//028/226/fe864f7c4b517fe8400x.jpg)

 as to the details of the cyber attack perpetrated against Google, those guys should know a few things:
http://www.mandiant.com/
they're in charge of Cyber security for Google
http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9145279/Chinese_authorities_behind_Google_attack_researcher_claims
Title: Re: Google, Citing Attack, Threatens to Exit China
Post by: polonus on January 16, 2010, 01:30:42 PM
Hi Logos,

There are also speculations that because of the weak overall security status of the Chinese networks that hack was performed THROUGH China, a kind of a false flag cyber attack. This because the stories of a vulnerability in IE6, sophisticated encryption being used for the first time for this level of an attack. And who to know more about the Chinese network than Google.cn? Too many unryhmed things here. Can you come up with any links about these speculations? Malcreants from outside China also use China as a homebase for their malcode re-directs (gumblar etc.). In the latest attacks there were Chinese and American servers involved....
Again more questions than answers here,

polonus
Title: Re: Google, Citing Attack, Threatens to Exit China
Post by: Hermite15 on January 16, 2010, 01:36:07 PM
@ Polonus: interesting, that also is possible, following this path Google itself could be behind everything to justify today's moves. I'll try to find out more...the problem with the Internet is when you're non-objectively looking for something you'll always find it... so that's not easy.
Title: Re: Google, Citing Attack, Threatens to Exit China
Post by: Hermite15 on January 16, 2010, 02:07:21 PM
I saw that already yesterday...
http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.lepoint.fr%2Factualites-technologie-internet%2F2010-01-15%2Fcoup-de-bluff-google-va-t-il-vraiment-quitter-la-chine%2F1387%2F0%2F414031&sl=fr&tl=en&hl=&ie=UTF-8
Title: Re: Google, Citing Attack, Threatens to Exit China
Post by: Chris Thomas on January 16, 2010, 03:06:06 PM
I now really doubt whether cloud is safe

How can you trust Google doc and other places?

Impossible!
Title: Re: Google, Citing Attack, Threatens to Exit China
Post by: polonus on January 16, 2010, 03:16:56 PM
Hi Chris Thomas,

But this what happened just after the hacks, where GMail accounts were involved:
Just hours after Google disclosed it and at least 20 other large companies were the targets of highly sophisticated cyberattacks, the online giant said it would enhance the security of its email service by automatically encrypting entire web sessions.

The change, which Google is in the process of rolling out now, means Gmail sessions will be automatically protected from start to finish with the SSL, or secure sockets Layer, protocol, even if a user doesn't specifically ask for it. Up until now, users had to check a setting in their Gmail options to get always-on encryption.

The change bolsters Google's already significant lead in protecting web users against so-called man-in-the-middle attacks, which allow miscreants to read and modify web traffic by sitting in between victims and the sites they surf. Yahoo Mail, eBay, MySpace, Facebook, and a wide variety of other sites continue to offer https encryption only when users are logging in, making email and other sensitive pages that are visited later susceptible to so-called sidejacking and similar attacks.

The change, which many security advocates had demanded, was announced a few hours after Google accused China-based hackers of carrying out highly sophisticated attacks designed to ferret out human rights advocates. Exploits targeting Gmail services largely failed, but Google said "dozens" of accounts had been routinely accessed by unauthorized parties through phishing or malware attacks on the users themselves.

Google didn't elaborate on those attacks, so there's no way to know if always-on encryption would have prevented those account holders from being compromised. Still, the automatic use of https makes good sense and allows Google to rightfully claim even more higher ground relative to its peers. (Twitter is one of the few other popular services to offer start-to-finish https).

"We initially left the choice of using it up to you because there's a downside: https can make your mail slower since encrypted data doesn't travel across the web as quickly as unencrypted data," Gmail Engineering Director Sam Schillace wrote. "Over the last few months, we've been researching the security/latency tradeoff and decided that turning https on for everyone was the right thing to do."

Those who want to disable the feature may do so by checking a "Don't always use https" box in Gmail settings. Even then, Gmail login pages will continue to be encrypted.

polonus

P.S. Do not forget we have National Cybersecurity Awareness Month:
http://www.america.gov/cybersecurity.html

D
Title: Re: Google, Citing Attack, Threatens to Exit China
Post by: Hermite15 on January 16, 2010, 03:40:32 PM
off topic: whatever, hacking or not hacking, I've always believed it was mad to store sensitive data on the cloud. At least Google can access it, or any other site owner on another cloud. Wouldn't store anything without strong encryption, but then the downside is that the data you stored isn't as quickly accessible as desired.
 Another example would be Mozilla Weave: first they offer that you can use the software to store the data (Firefox data) wherever you want, on your own server if you want, and they say if you choose the Mozilla server it's encrypted there, and themselves cannot access it. This is impossible to check of course.
 Again, I'd never store anything sensitive/private without encrypting it first. There are enough free and good tools for that.

 Btw, I've been on HTTPS for Gmail for ages, long before the setting was offered in the interface. It always supported ssl, and that was set for me permanently in CustomizeGoogle extension, with a very short connection to non-ssl before rerouting to ssl, so not a hundred percent secure at the time. Anyway good to know you can also browse Google doc in sll mode. You can also use NoScript options to force https on a few sites, like Twitter or facebook... (careful with Twitter otherwise, even if started in https, it can switch randomly to http; as to facebook, some pages won't display at all in https).
Title: Re: Google, Citing Attack, Threatens to Exit China
Post by: polonus on January 16, 2010, 04:09:25 PM
Hi Logos,

If you are aware of what you (have/will) put online and you are not a victim of Identity Theft or your data haven't been stolen, using the Google services might be rather convenient. Make sure you flush the (search-DNS-etc.) content, the super cookie content, the cache content or use a webproxy when needed. We are so accustomed to the Google formula that we do not feel the need of having the panick button ready at hand to Secure Delete Immediately.
But going back on topic let us take a google-china poll here:
http://wordpress.3dn.nl/2010/01/14/google-china/
9source facebook user)
polonus
Title: Re: Google, Citing Attack, Threatens to Exit China
Post by: Hermite15 on January 16, 2010, 06:43:55 PM
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Google Users in China Fear Losing Important Tool

BEIJING — At the elite Tsinghua University here, some students were joking Friday that they had better download all the Internet information they wanted now in case Google left the country.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/17/world/asia/17china.html
Title: Re: Google, Citing Attack, Threatens to Exit China
Post by: Shiw Liang on January 17, 2010, 06:57:50 AM
Now we found one disadvantage of cloud :)
Off topic:Hope they won't attack me ;D
             I'm a innocent child with only a firewall ;D
Title: Re: Google, Citing Attack, Threatens to Exit China
Post by: Hermite15 on January 17, 2010, 02:30:41 PM
yeah, this article was already there yesterday, I guess that's an updated version
Quote
Google denies leaving China, seeks negotiations
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE60E0BC20100117
Title: Re: Google, Citing Attack, Threatens to Exit China
Post by: polonus on January 17, 2010, 05:51:27 PM
Hi Logos,

In the aftermath let us watch this video with various opinions:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/video/2010/jan/13/google-challenge-china

polonus
Title: Re: Google, Citing Attack, Threatens to Exit China
Post by: Hermite15 on January 17, 2010, 11:45:44 PM
following the events, together with Germany, France deters from running Internet Explorer completely (I know, even if only IE6 was involved in the Google affair)
http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.lemonde.fr%2Ftechnologies%2Farticle%2F2010%2F01%2F17%2Fla-france-et-l-allemagne-deconseillent-l-utilisation-d-internet-explorer_1292928_651865.html&sl=fr&tl=en&hl=&ie=UTF-8

yes, this is related to a vulnerability affecting IE8 as well...
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/advisory/979352.mspx
Title: Re: Google, Citing Attack, Threatens to Exit China
Post by: Hermite15 on January 17, 2010, 11:49:01 PM
Hi Logos,

In the aftermath let us watch this video with various opinions:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/video/2010/jan/13/google-challenge-china

polonus

thanks, watching now  ;)
Title: Re: Google, Citing Attack, Threatens to Exit China
Post by: polonus on January 17, 2010, 11:50:30 PM
Hi Logos,

Last Friday this cross site scripting exploit worked on Google:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VnJiGW6fsBo

Has been patched now, but still...
Well as their search engine had a meagre 17% of the China market, and Baidu had 77%, they have an excuse to leave after this mis-adventure. It is a pity Bing did not know earlier, because MS is gonna stay and hope for an eventual clamp on pirated versions there..

polonus
Title: Re: Google, Citing Attack, Threatens to Exit China
Post by: Hermite15 on January 18, 2010, 12:11:27 AM
yeah I don't quite like Microsoft attitude in this story...
Title: Re: Google, Citing Attack, Threatens to Exit China
Post by: Hermite15 on January 18, 2010, 10:46:59 AM
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Exploit code for potent IE zero-day bug goes wild
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/01/15/ie_zero_day_exploit_goes_wild/

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Updated Exploit code targeting the Internet Explorer vulnerability used against Google and other companies has gone public, increasing the chances that broader attacks will soon follow...........................
...............................
Microsoft hasn't said when it expects to fix the bug. Its next regular update release is scheduled for February 9. Speculation is growing that the company will issue an out-of-band patch.
Title: Re: Google, Citing Attack, Threatens to Exit China
Post by: Hermite15 on January 18, 2010, 06:28:21 PM
hey, when I was talking about a possible isolated employee running IE6...
Quote
Google Attackers May Have Had Inside Assistance
http://www.dailytech.com/Google+Attackers+May+Have+Had+Inside+Assistance/article17432.htm
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE60H1J620100118

Quote
The attackers used a trojan that was a modified version of Hydraq. Security analysts say the sophistication of the attacks wasn't in the method of attack used, but that the attackers knew exactly what people inside Google to target with the attacks.

A Google spokesperson said, "We're not commenting on rumor and speculation. This is an ongoing investigation, and we simply cannot comment on the details."

Title: Re: Google, Citing Attack, Threatens to Exit China
Post by: polonus on January 19, 2010, 06:57:06 PM
Hi Logos,

Windows Shared Source Iniative
Saillant detail in the whole Google-China affair is
dat Microsoft shared Windows source-code with the Chinese government 6 years ago
, in which IE comes integrated
http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/2003/feb03/02-28GSPChinaPR.mspx
This happened within the Microsofts Government Security Program framework,
where Microsoft shares source-code of MS software.
This to stop the proliferation of Linux.
http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Security/Microsoft-Launches-Government-Security-Program/
Next to China also the U.K.,Finland, Austria, Italy, Spain, Turkey Russia and NATO participate,

polonus
Title: Re: Google, Citing Attack, Threatens to Exit China
Post by: Hermite15 on January 19, 2010, 11:04:58 PM
Hi Polonus,

Quote
Google delays phone launch in China
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/google-delays-phone-launch-in-china-2010-01-19?dist=afterbell

same goes for the Nexus btw, read this somewhere else today, they won't release it at all in China.
Title: Re: Google, Citing Attack, Threatens to Exit China
Post by: Hermite15 on January 19, 2010, 11:07:37 PM
@ Polonus: just after reading your post >>>>>>>>>>>
Quote
Microsoft and China Announce Government Security Program Agreement
... no need to say that I find that properly disgusting, at this very chosen moment, when Google has issues with China...

edit: it's too late to make an agreement with the French  ;D most of the administrations have started to switch to Ubuntu here, including the cops...many months ago.
Title: Re: Google, Citing Attack, Threatens to Exit China
Post by: polonus on January 20, 2010, 12:34:51 AM
Hi Logos,

British government stays loyal to IE in spite of the unpatched hole, because to leave IE would give a false feeling of security as they say, and because all applications can be hacked in the end with enough effort by the attackers. The danger for the normal user is minimal, heap spray or no heap spray... People that come up with questions about IE's safety there are being forwarded to: http://www.getsafeonline.org/
There might be an out-of-band patch, but again there is nothing to worry about, also with all the usb-sticks lost - no worries whatsoever - business as usual... have faith in BlueE,

polonus
Title: Re: Google, Citing Attack, Threatens to Exit China
Post by: Hermite15 on January 20, 2010, 01:30:08 PM
Quote
IE6 exposed as Google China malware unpicked
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/01/19/google_china_attack_malware_analysis/

Quote
MS to issue emergency patch for potent IE vuln
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/01/19/microsoft_emergency_patch/
(as already mentioned by Bob in the main  threat warning thread)

Australia warns too (after France and germany) against IE:
Quote
Internet Explorer Web Browser Security Bug Reported - SSO-AL2010-004
http://www.ssoalertservice.net.au/view/3bd184c173a3c4e4520bfbe521321216
Title: Re: Google, Citing Attack, Threatens to Exit China
Post by: polonus on January 20, 2010, 08:39:11 PM
Hi Logos,

Algorithm found in China hack that was only published once in a Chinese document fingerprints the Google hack to China or was used to have it point to China Mainland hacker: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/20/technology/20cyber.html

polonus
Title: Re: Google, Citing Attack, Threatens to Exit China
Post by: Hermite15 on January 20, 2010, 11:40:50 PM
just for fun (IE's actually not removed completely, only the executable is) ...Windows will still store temporary internet files when required by other programs.

also see:  ;D
http://www.bbspot.com/News/2005/01/microsoft_antispyware.html
(http://www.bbspot.com/Images/News_Features/2005/01/antispyware.jpg)

Quote
Symantec Antivirus Research reported that virus sightings were down by 95% this morning
  :D
Title: Re: Google, Citing Attack, Threatens to Exit China
Post by: Hermite15 on January 22, 2010, 01:55:43 PM
China attacks Clinton's Internet speech as 'harmful' to relations
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/01/22/AR2010012201090.html?hpid=moreheadlines

BEIJING -- China's Foreign Ministry sharply criticized Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton's Thursday call for broad Internet freedom, saying that the United States should "cease using so-called Internet freedom to make groundless accusations against China. Ma Zhaoxu, a Foreign Ministry spokesman, said on the ministry's Web site that "the U.S. has criticized China's policies to administer the Internet and insinuated that China restricts Internet freedom. We are firmly against the words and deeds contrary to the facts and harmful to China-U.S. relations."

A Chinese newspaper also joined the criticism of Clinton, who gave her speech in the wake of Google's declaration that it would stop censoring results on its Chinese-based search engine even if that meant losing its license after a cyberattack on its computers.

The Global Times said that the U.S. "campaign for uncensored and free flow of information on an unrestricted Internet is a disguised attempt to impose its value on other cultures in the name of democracy."

I must be dreaming...but OK, let's not turn this thread into something too political  ;D



Title: Re: Google, Citing Attack, Threatens to Exit China
Post by: Hermite15 on January 22, 2010, 02:01:14 PM
Cyber sleuth sees China's fingerprints on 'Aurora' attacks
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/01/21/aurora_attack_origins/
http://www.secureworks.com/research/blog/index.php/2010/1/20/operation-aurora-clues-in-the-code/

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A security researcher who reverse engineered code used to attack Google and other large companies has said he found what he believes are the fingerprints of Chinese hackers.

The telltale sign, according to Joe Stewart, director of SecureWorks' Counter Threat unit, is is an error-checking algorithm in the software that installed the Hydraq backdoor on compromised PCs. The CRC, or cyclic redundancy check, used a table of only 16 constants, a compact version of the more standard 256-value table.

you actually posted about that already  Polonus  ;) ... a few posts above.
Title: Re: Google, Citing Attack, Threatens to Exit China
Post by: polonus on January 22, 2010, 02:57:25 PM
Hi Logos,

The trojan that infiltrated the Google network provided attackers with the possibilty to watch what happened on the desktop of the infected machines. From analysis by av-vendor Symantec it appears that one of the components was based on VNC (Virtual Network Computer). A program to remotely manage computers. The av vendor named the Trojan "Hydraq". When active on the OSD it will download the various components and files, a.o. VedioDriver.dll and Acelpvc.dll. Analysis proofs that the files and the communication protocol, by using specific adapted VNC code, were meant to be used with the Hydraq malware and specially written to be used with it.

A remote attacker can install a live video feed from an infested machine. Symantec also found that some parts of the malware has been written as soon as 2006. "Other parts of  Hydraq have 2009 dates. This explains, that versions of to-day were developed over time", according to Symantec's Peter Coogan. Another possibilty is that the date on the computer was wrong while the code for the source files was being. A video of the working of the Trojan:
 value="http://www.youtube.com/v/pKAlPUrFNgs&rel=0&color1=0xb1b1b1&color2=0xcfcfcf&hl=en_US&feature=player_embedded&fs=1
src="http://www.youtube.com/v/pKAlPUrFNgs&rel=0&color1=0xb1b1b1&color2=0xcfcfcf&hl=en_US&feature=player_embedded&fs=1"

polonus
Title: Re: Google, Citing Attack, Threatens to Exit China
Post by: Hermite15 on January 22, 2010, 11:45:33 PM
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China to US: shut up about "so-called Internet freedom"
  ::)

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2010/01/china-to-us-stop-accusations-on-so-called-internet-freedom.ars
a must read for whom is interested in China argumentation ROFL  ;D
Title: Re: Google, Citing Attack, Threatens to Exit China
Post by: Hermite15 on January 25, 2010, 12:17:16 PM
Quote
MS knew of Aurora exploit four months before Google attacks
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/01/22/aurora_exploit_known_months/
Quote
Microsoft first knew of the bug used in the infamous Operation Aurora IE exploits as long ago as August, four months before the vulnerability was used in exploits against Google and other hi-tech firms in December, it has emerged.

Redmond's security gnomes finally got around to patching the exploit on Thursday. Microsoft's advisory accompanying its cumulative update for IE credited Meron Sellem of Israeli firm BugSec for reporting the HTML Object Memory Corruption Vulnerability (CVE-2010-0249), the zero-day vulnerability used in the now infamous attacks.

BugSec's bulletin states that it reported the bug to the software giant on 26 August
http://www.bugsec.com/index.php?q=node/47

http://www.sophos.com/blogs/gc/g/2010/01/22/operation-aurora-microsoft-knew-internet-explorer-flaw-months/
http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2010-01/22/microsoft-learned-of-ie-zero-day-flaw-last-september.aspx

interesting hey  ;D

Title: Re: Google, Citing Attack, Threatens to Exit China
Post by: Chris Thomas on January 25, 2010, 12:30:50 PM
I think that ,

The governments should not get involved in our choice of choosing a web browser whether it is Chrome, Firefox or IE....

Title: Re: Google, Citing Attack, Threatens to Exit China
Post by: Hermite15 on January 25, 2010, 12:34:48 PM
I think that ,

The governments should not get involved in our choice of choosing a web browser whether it is Chrome, Firefox or IE....



why do you post this here and now ? I know it's been mentioned that France, England and Germany advised to stop using Internet Explorer, and I posted about that myself, but not this morning, so why do you refer to it now ?
Title: Re: Google, Citing Attack, Threatens to Exit China
Post by: Chris Thomas on January 25, 2010, 01:15:46 PM
Hi Logos,

British government stays loyal to IE in spite of the unpatched hole, because to leave IE would give a false feeling of security as they say, and because all applications can be hacked in the end with enough effort by the attackers. The danger for the normal user is minimal, heap spray or no heap spray... People that come up with questions about IE's safety there are being forwarded to: http://www.getsafeonline.org/
There might be an out-of-band patch, but again there is nothing to worry about, also with all the usb-sticks lost - no worries whatsoever - business as usual... have faith in BlueE,

polonus
Title: Re: Google, Citing Attack, Threatens to Exit China
Post by: Hermite15 on January 25, 2010, 01:23:53 PM
OK that's what I meant, about 5 days ago  ;D
Title: Re: Google, Citing Attack, Threatens to Exit China
Post by: Chris Thomas on January 25, 2010, 01:28:24 PM
I am reading it today...that is why   :P
Title: Re: Google, Citing Attack, Threatens to Exit China
Post by: Chris Thomas on January 25, 2010, 01:29:01 PM
China Hacks Inspire Copycats

Malicious hackers have begun using the recent cyberattacks against Google and more than 30 other companies as lures for launching even more targeted attacks, security firm F-Secure said in a blog post today.

http://www.pcworld.com/article/187534/china_hacks_inspire_copycats.html

Botnets: "The Democratization of Espionage"

http://www.csoonline.com/article/521619/Botnets_The_Democratization_of_Espionage_
Title: Re: Google, Citing Attack, Threatens to Exit China
Post by: Hermite15 on January 25, 2010, 01:33:00 PM
I am reading it today...that is why   :P

yeah but if you don't quote it it looks weird  ::) nevermind  ;)

also:
http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9144221/Google_attack_part_of_widespread_spying_effort
By Robert McMillan
January 13, 2010 05:37 AM ET
Title: Re: Google, Citing Attack, Threatens to Exit China
Post by: Hermite15 on January 26, 2010, 11:44:43 AM
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Google's Page And Brin To Unload 10 Million Shares
http://www.forbes.com/2010/01/25/google-page-brin-markets-equities-china.html?partner=whiteglove_google
Title: Re: Google, Citing Attack, Threatens to Exit China
Post by: Hermite15 on January 28, 2010, 01:33:36 PM
nice  ;D
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Gates backs China in Google censorship spat
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/01/27/gates_backs_china_google_censorship/

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In an interview Monday with ABC  television, Gates shrugged off China's repressive online policies as simply part of doing business in a foreign country. He pointed to censorship laws in Germany that forbid pro-Nazi statements which would be protected as free speech in the United States.

“And so you have got to decide, do you want to obey the laws of the countries you are in or not. If not, you may not end up doing business there,” Gates said.

Gates might be or have been a brilliant coder and businessman, but that's just about it obviously. The guy is showing there once again his intellectual limits. What he said is not just disgusting, but extremely stupid, especially the bit with the comparison with Germany  ::) ...not even commenting that he's praising the unlimited acceptance of anything in the US >>>> "Stormfront"  :D ... and by the way Mr Gates, neo-nazi sites are forbidden in France too  ;)
Title: Re: Google, Citing Attack, Threatens to Exit China
Post by: Hermite15 on February 04, 2010, 12:09:06 PM
waking up that thread a minute  ;D
Quote
Google to enlist NSA to fight off cyberattacks
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35231454/ns/technology_and_science-washington_post/

The world's largest Internet search company and the world's most powerful electronic surveillance organization are teaming up in the name of cybersecurity.

Under an agreement that is still being finalized, the National Security Agency would help Google analyze a major corporate espionage attack that the firm said originated in China and targeted its computer networks, according to cybersecurity experts familiar with the matter. The objective is to better defend Google — and its users — from future attack.
Title: Re: Google, Citing Attack, Threatens to Exit China
Post by: Shiw Liang on February 04, 2010, 04:55:50 PM
Hm...the reason for why china hacked google...I think it is because google was spying china right?(sorry I haven't read all the post).
And as google found in china there are chinese people who work there also and I guess when google was doing bad things one of these chinese worker got the info about that and reported that to the police and the government was also alerted and...so they decided to hack google don't you think this is the reason ???
Title: Re: Google, Citing Attack, Threatens to Exit China
Post by: Hermite15 on February 04, 2010, 08:08:02 PM
Hm...the reason for why china hacked google...I think it is because google was spying china right?(sorry I haven't read all the post).
And as google found in china there is chinese people who works there also and I guess when google was doing bad things one of these chinese worker got the info about that and reported that to the police and the government was also alerted and...so they decided to hack google don't you think this is the reason ???

YES thanks for posting, now we have a more precise picture of what happened, yes of course  :D
Title: Re: Google, Citing Attack, Threatens to Exit China
Post by: polonus on February 12, 2010, 02:19:45 PM
Hi malware fighters,

We now know that Google stayed. Slowly but surely the attacker's code markers are giving away who is responsible for Aurora. See this analysis: http://www.hbgary.com/wp-content/themes/blackhat/images/hbgthreatreport_aurora.pdf

polonus
Title: Re: Google, Citing Attack, Threatens to Exit China
Post by: Shiw Liang on February 12, 2010, 05:43:47 PM
@logos:Glad that it was able to help^^
Title: Re: Google, Citing Attack, Threatens to Exit China
Post by: Hermite15 on February 12, 2010, 05:57:30 PM
@logos:Glad that it was able to help^^

me too  ;D
Title: Re: Google, Citing Attack, Threatens to Exit China
Post by: polonus on February 14, 2010, 01:56:20 AM
@ posters in this thread,

Well we are so fortunate that we are a global forum. Here we are better informed than many, many others online where malware is concerned  and eventually the information comes out unbiased because of our many sources and resourches. This here is a unique community, so glad we are part of it,

your friend polonus
Title: Re: Google, Citing Attack, Threatens to Exit China
Post by: YoKenny on February 14, 2010, 03:28:03 AM
@ posters in this thread,

Well we are so fortunate that we are a global forum. Here we are better informed than many, many others online where malware is concerned  and eventually the information comes out unbiased because of our many sources and resourches. This here is a unique community, so glad we are part of it,

your friend polonus

+1

My Google is about the Vancover Winter Olympics:
http://www.vancouver2010.com
Title: Re: Google, Citing Attack, Threatens to Exit China
Post by: Shiw Liang on February 14, 2010, 02:54:04 PM
@ posters in this thread,

Well we are so fortunate that we are a global forum. Here we are better informed than many, many others online where malware is concerned  and eventually the information comes out unbiased because of our many sources and resourches. This here is a unique community, so glad we are part of it,

your friend polonus
You are right :)
Title: Re: Google, Citing Attack, Threatens to Exit China
Post by: polonus on March 04, 2010, 04:01:23 PM
Hi malware fighters,

The Google attack is only the tip of an iceberg in a larger attempt to commit industrial espionage and many nations are into that: http://www.computerweekly.com/Articles/2010/03/04/240496/Google-China-hack-is-just-the-tip-of-the-iceberg-RSA-Conference.htm

To protect we are relying on the wrong signature based tools, where behavioral tools would be more apt to thwart off these forms of hacks - first there is a team active to infect and then a data collection team becomes active.

Complaining about the so-called Google-hack is like complaining about a carpet stain while the house is on fire or the hype is to support quite another agenda,

polonus
Title: Re: Google, Citing Attack, Threatens to Exit China
Post by: Shiw Liang on March 04, 2010, 05:03:21 PM
Yup google is the biggest spyer!!!
First discovered in china and then in many more countries!!
While doing so they sell information for money I guess...
Title: Re: Google, Citing Attack, Threatens to Exit China
Post by: polonus on March 04, 2010, 09:53:42 PM
Hi Shiw Liang,

Now Damballa is adding a new vision to this ever evolving saga described in this thread of ours.
Well, botnet herders are now found to hide behind the Google China attacks, they left the two schools that were mentioned in an earlier report and then according to this story were appointed as botherders: http://www.damballa.com/downloads/press/Aurora_CnC_Research.pdf
They even researched the gradual development of the attack vector used, read here: http://www.damballa.com/downloads/r_pubs/Aurora_Botnet_Command_Structure.pdf
And to top this story off : Another remarkable point was the use of Fake-av scanners. The behavior of one of two variants is almost identical to Trojan.Hydraq, yes the one that was used in the alleged Google attacks. The malware spreaded through warnings and pop-ups on websites. The two earlier variants were eventually followed up by Hydraqm and this went seemlessly  (bold by me, polonus), without there being any overlapping. The fact that the malware was being spread by the same network, according to Damballa proofs that the botnet herders rented the malware variants or part of their network,

polonus
Title: Re: Google, Citing Attack, Threatens to Exit China
Post by: mkis on March 05, 2010, 12:06:14 AM
Yup google is the biggest spyer!!!
First discovered in china and then in many more countries!!
While doing so they sell information for money I guess...

H Shiw Liang

Such sentiments are not expected in one so young. But then you have the advantage of time to refine yr vision.

Many, including me, view google as spy on our private information because of their sensitivity search such as with their localisation strategy - when user clicks into google, or mayb just even with running desktop - say wit Picasa start automatic - google knows immediate location of user and confer wit google database of that user. So clever personalisation strategy by google to instate user preferences while they browse. And clever firefox for not being same nosey. But google does not intend spy as you have put it. Brin Sergey (math genius of original google) would never allow such antics, and especially 'so they sell information for money I guess...'. They dont do that. Still, they do use the information for their own advantage, and many users have no idea that the info has been imparted and how it will be deployed.

As for China incident. Well IMHO the China government is so obsessed with spy on their own people, and prevent them from having access to non censor information, that they blindly ignore that google need be kept secure as well. They more or less let hackers through the door because they only pursue their own selfish ends to suppress their own people. And it is stupid to comply wit China proviso when they are so obvious not ready to meet requirements of secure online business practices.

Still bit of humor though. Spyers spy on the spyers. And as I say - you have the advantage of time to refine yr vision. 
Title: Re: Google, Citing Attack, Threatens to Exit China
Post by: YoKenny on March 05, 2010, 12:55:29 PM
@ mkis

A bit of humor is needed when the young are involved and when I was young I had heros:
http://www.leedberg.com/mad/spies/spies.html
Title: Re: Google, Citing Attack, Threatens to Exit China
Post by: Shiw Liang on March 05, 2010, 02:57:39 PM
@polonus: Thank you for the links :)
@mkis:Thanks for the comment or for the additional information :)
@YoKenny:Hehe I don't need that much humor ;D
Title: Re: Google, Citing Attack, Threatens to Exit China
Post by: mkis on March 05, 2010, 05:47:39 PM
hahaha thanks Yokenny - yep I bet lots of that going on still

Microsoft had lots of problems too Shiw Liang. Thats how we come to have WGA and OGA (bout Aug 2008)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Genuine_Advantage#WGA_in_China

In NZ our MS counterfeits had little pop message in bottom left corner you couldn't get rid of.
And there were a few black boxes around. Lot of broken hearted PC users round this town in late 2008.

Title: Re: Google, Citing Attack, Threatens to Exit China
Post by: polonus on March 05, 2010, 10:37:08 PM
Hi mkis,

Well it seems that Shiw Liang is closer to the truth as we all think. It appears now that the malware used in the so-called Chinese Google hack was the work of amateurs:
http://www.damballa.com/research/aurora/
If Damballa is right there with their report and also it was found that the gigantic botnnet Mariposa (Butterfly) that also made 25.000 Dutch victims was herded by normal users and not by notorious cybercriminals or semi-official hackers Re: http://www.pandasecurity.com/usa/homeusers/media/press-releases/viewnews?noticia=10086
If this is right, we see a very dangerous trend coming to the Internet and we can put that Shiw Liang had it right and google is helping this house-garden malcreants great time (better not use it for the search results of Google are all messed up with links to malcode, while other search engines are rather free of this malware links (fake AV etc. etc.).
But also read this: http://infoworld.com/print/115086


polonus
Title: Re: Google, Citing Attack, Threatens to Exit China
Post by: mkis on March 06, 2010, 05:08:28 AM
This is good subject cos not the end of China/google matter yet, and will for sure happen again.

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Yup google is the biggest spyer!!!

I think this is strong enough statement, I cannot agree with any of the parts that I have omitted.
I use Bing with IE but still with google as default search provider - I love Live Translator, which is my only accelerator - and I cannot get it in google (home page) or Chrome.

Really I think China proviso pulled down many of what would be usual google defense strategy (though I'm guessing). But considering google search may be getting a bit messy anyway and the extent of the growing google behemoth, it wouldn't argue their case too strongly. Are google still yr friend? Well yes and no.

But China is another matter - experience wit my country (not guessing) emphasize China government will always want take control by twisting arrangement and wearing down external interest until barely worth closing deal except you cannot pull out because of all the $$ you have already put into the arrangement. This is what Brin Sergey is up against, despite that his initial query raised the moral issue of doing business wit China government. Last thing on China government mind is sustain google defense strategy. No wonder they were hacked by amateurs. All the professionals are probably working for...well I leave it there I think. I get carried away. My country no benchmark exporter, makes mistakes import/export wit China.

btw - in my country nearly 100% hardware for personal or home computers has China marked as country of origin

Sometimes individual party go to China, (central China even, hardest nut to crack), and achieve exceptional results with remarkable Chinese people - some excellent government interaction. (I wish I could screen some local TV docs like 'Country Calendar' to show point my point).

In not too many years we probably all rely on Shiw Liang to tell us what is what in computer world.


off topic / I got that link to the RU site thru Bing - checkd and decided they don't rate a click to view even though they clean

Edit - Polonus, will PM but have been so busy, have something to show you for yr opinion
Title: Re: Google, Citing Attack, Threatens to Exit China
Post by: Shiw Liang on March 06, 2010, 09:19:44 AM
I said that because google do not spy only China but other countries also
Title: Re: Google, Citing Attack, Threatens to Exit China
Post by: mkis on March 06, 2010, 10:42:21 AM
yes I think they need pick up their act. I have had to change my view of google in recent times.

They might find that their tracking softwares be what opens doors for malcreants.
Title: Google "99.9 pct" sure to shut China search engine: report
Post by: Hermite15 on March 13, 2010, 01:22:39 PM
Google "99.9 pct" sure to shut China search engine: report
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE62C0K920100313?type=technologyNews
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(Reuters) - Talks with China over censorship have reached an apparent impasse and Google, the world's largest search engine, is now "99.9 percent" certain to shut its Chinese search engine, the Financial Times said on Saturday.

It said in a report on its website Google had drawn up detailed plans for closing its Chinese search engine.

The newspaper cited a person familiar with the company's thinking as saying that, while a decision could be made very soon, Google was likely to take some time to follow through with its plans.

That would be in order to bring about an orderly closure as the company takes steps to protect local employees from retaliation by authorities, it said.

China warned Google on Friday against flouting the country's laws, as expectations grow for a resolution to a public battle over censorship and cyber-security.

Google shocked business and political circles in January when it threatened to pull out of China if it could not offer an unfiltered Chinese search engine. The threat came after cyber attacks originating from China on it and about 30 other firms.

"If you don't respect Chinese laws, you are unfriendly and irresponsible, and the consequences will be on you," China's Minister of Industry and Information Technology, Li Yizhong, told reporters on Friday in answer to a question on what China would do if Google.cn simply stopped filtering search results.

That came after the chief executive of Google, Eric Schmidt, said on Wednesday he hoped to announce soon a result to talks with Chinese authorities on offering an uncensored search engine in China.

The Ministry of Industry and Information Technology shares oversight of the Chinese Internet with a number of other bodies. Still more bureaucracies are involved in matters of foreign investment, complicating the Chinese government's response to Google's challenge.
Title: Re: Google, Citing Attack, Threatens to Exit China
Post by: polonus on March 13, 2010, 09:35:15 PM
Hi Logos,

There is more to this then is made public. What about the fact that those that used the recent IE hack are sitting on a big jar of similar exploitable holes probably else you won't spoil one so broadly:  http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/03/09/internet_explorer_attacks/
And what of Baidu growing to a global search position like Yahoo had, and that that might be of some concern to Google's: http://techcrunch.com/2010/01/13/google-v-baidu-it%E2%80%99s-not-just-about-china/

It is an intermix of business and censorship issues and various backgrounds, and then a very complicated mix of all these issues as well, while China has been depicted as a backward plagiator, that is not a true depiction of the momentairy situation: China has strong engineering talents, a lot of investment capital, the world's largest Internet community, especially where gaming and the social media sector is meant an interesting market,

polonus
Title: Re: Google, Citing Attack, Threatens to Exit China
Post by: Shiw Liang on March 14, 2010, 04:21:31 AM
Yup a lot of engineers specially for the forces...I mean if there is a war which can happen then it will be cyber war now :)
Each country will try to cut their enemy's signal with their satellite ;D
Title: Re: Google, Citing Attack, Threatens to Exit China
Post by: Hermite15 on March 17, 2010, 10:32:02 AM
Anti-virus suites still can't block Google China attack
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/03/16/aurora_av_test_fail/

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Analysis The vast majority of consumer anti-virus products are still failing to block the Operation Aurora exploits used in the high profile attack against Google and other blue-chip firms last December, according to independent tests.
Title: Re: Google, Citing Attack, Threatens to Exit China [FIXED :) ]
Post by: Hermite15 on March 22, 2010, 09:35:55 PM
changed the original title of this thread ;D
Google Shuts China Site in Dispute Over Censorship
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/23/technology/23google.html

http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2010/03/new-approach-to-china-update.html

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So earlier today we stopped censoring our search services—Google Search, Google News, and Google Images—on Google.cn. Users visiting Google.cn are now being redirected to Google.com.hk, where we are offering uncensored search in simplified Chinese, specifically designed for users in mainland China and delivered via our servers in Hong Kong. Users in Hong Kong will continue to receive their existing uncensored, traditional Chinese service, also from Google.com.hk. Due to the increased load on our Hong Kong servers and the complicated nature of these changes, users may see some slowdown in service or find some products temporarily inaccessible as we switch everything over.
Title: Re: Google, Citing Attack, Threatens to Exit China [FIXED :) ]
Post by: polonus on March 22, 2010, 10:10:04 PM
Hi Logos,

This are the services that main land China still have available now:
http://www.google.com/prc/report.html#hl=en
The redirects to China.hk could soon be further crippled.

polonus
Title: Re: Google, Citing Attack, Threatens to Exit China [FIXED :) ]
Post by: Hermite15 on March 22, 2010, 10:20:55 PM
Hi Logos,

This are the services that main land China still have available now:
http://www.google.com/prc/report.html#hl=en
The redirects to China.hk could soon be further crippled.

polonus

thanks for that link. It's just a matter of days before China blocks completely access to Google HK...(from mainland China)... might be more difficult for China, officially ruling Honk Kong now, to interfere there. And I don't think they'll even try.
Title: Re: Google, Citing Attack, Threatens to Exit China [FIXED :) ]
Post by: bob3160 on March 22, 2010, 10:37:12 PM
Google redirects China site (http://ct.zdnet.com/clicks?t=531814413-98ec0b9bf7e2843a2a0b58f2ad773e46-bf&brand=ZDNET&s=5)

It appears that Google may be taking first steps toward an exit in China, re-directing visitors of Google.cn -
the domain name for its Chinese site - to Google.hk, its Hong Kong site.
Title: Re: Google, Citing Attack, Threatens to Exit China [FIXED :) ]
Post by: Hermite15 on March 22, 2010, 11:00:15 PM
Google redirects China site (http://ct.zdnet.com/clicks?t=531814413-98ec0b9bf7e2843a2a0b58f2ad773e46-bf&brand=ZDNET&s=5)

It appears that Google may be taking first steps toward an exit in China, re-directing visitors of Google.cn -
the domain name for its Chinese site - to Google.hk, its Hong Kong site.

yeah, that's what I posted a bit earlier ;)
Title: Re: Google, Citing Attack, Threatens to Exit China [FIXED :) ]
Post by: mkis on March 22, 2010, 11:53:33 PM
During the last week or so, there have been bulletins outlining Google's responsibility to advertisers, and the likely breaching of that responsibility if they were to exit China. And this in the face of a China government that seemingly was about to put the squeeze on the software giant.

China state media step up rhetoric against Google
http://www.cnn.com/2010/BUSINESS/03/21/china.google.rhetoric/index.html?hpt=Sbin

I meant to post the bulletins at the time and will now go back see what I can find about this peripheral issue in the Google / China impasse. I believe some advertisers were lining up compensation cases. Interesting too were attempts to tally Google's investments in China up to this point, and then the announcement about the near completion of the Unity cable, which by any persons reasoning would once again put Google back on the China road map .

http://www.v3.co.uk/v3/news/2259863/google-almost-ready-pacific

I will not be surprised if Google has moved very quickly to turn the situation to its own advantage. So I will see if I can dig up a couple of the articles on Google's China portfolio, and what would have been at stake, (and may yet still be), were software maker to have been adversely caught between its advertising commitments and an increasingly antagonistic China government.

Past history now, perhaps, but still an insight into how capably the company can move amongst the biggest market players to secure its interest and re-confirm its investment strategy, in face of what appeared at the time to be impossible odds.


Google's Ad Partners in China Say Standoff Threatens Their Business
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704688604575125420301711134.html

Chinese ad partners beg Google for information
http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-20000601-93.html

China warns Google partners: Look for backup
http://news.cnet.com/8301-30685_3-20000422-264.html
Title: Re: Google, Citing Attack, Threatens to Exit China [FIXED :) ]
Post by: Hermite15 on March 23, 2010, 02:02:26 AM
evolution >>> see screen shot (from http://www.google.com/prc/report.html#hl=en )
Title: Re: Google, Citing Attack, Threatens to Exit China [FIXED :) ]
Post by: Hermite15 on March 24, 2010, 02:51:32 PM
(some) Chinese web users boycott Google
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/8584985.stm

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Comments left on Chinese website sina.com.cn include "Google, out of China" and "Go away, we have Baidu".

Internet and mobile company TOM Online, which is run by Hong Kong's wealthiest man Li Ka-shing, said that it would stop using Google.

The companies have an agreement which will not be renewed, claimed TOM.

A Google spokesperson insisted that the firm would fulfill existing contractual obligations.
Title: Re: Google, Citing Attack, Threatens to Exit China [FIXED :) ]
Post by: Hermite15 on March 24, 2010, 08:40:02 PM
new developments: GoDaddy.com plans to stop registering domain names in China

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/03/24/AR2010032401543.html

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GoDaddy.com Inc., the world's largest domain name registration company, plans to tell lawmakers Wednesday that it will cease registering Web sites in China in response to intrusive new government rules that require applicants to provide extensive personal data, including photographs of themselves.
Title: Re: Google, Citing Attack, Threatens to Exit China [FIXED :) ]
Post by: polonus on March 24, 2010, 09:11:36 PM
Hi Logos,

In this link there are some serious accusations mentioned: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/mar/24/cyber-attack-on-us-firms-google-traced-to-chinese/

My question how many versions have we heard so far - students from Chinese schools, state sponsored hackers, Chinese amateurs. It is all about data mining, but what are the smoke screens trying to hide from the general public?

polonus
Title: Re: Google, Citing Attack, Threatens to Exit China [FIXED :) ]
Post by: Hermite15 on March 24, 2010, 11:28:41 PM
Hi Polonus,

if you're hinting that the US are using some pretext to leave the Chinese market, therefore the confusion among different versions of the story in the medias, I don't know, I sincerely don't know ;)

 Otherwise:
Google Calls for Action on Web Limits
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/25/technology/25google.html

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Alan Davidson, director of United States public policy for Google, told a joint Congressional panel that the United States should consider witholding development aid for countries that restrict certain Web sites. He said censorship had become more than a human rights issue and was hurting profit for foreign companies that rely on the Internet to reach customers.
Title: Re: Google, Citing Attack, Threatens to Exit China [FIXED :) ]
Post by: bob3160 on March 25, 2010, 04:00:26 AM
Hi Polonus,

if you're hinting that the US are using some pretext to leave the Chinese market, therefore the confusion among different versions of the story in the medias, I don't know, I sincerely don't know ;)

 Otherwise:
Google Calls for Action on Web Limits
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/25/technology/25google.html

Quote
Alan Davidson, director of United States public policy for Google, told a joint Congressional panel that the United States should consider witholding development aid for countries that restrict certain Web sites. He said censorship had become more than a human rights issue and was hurting profit for foreign companies that rely on the Internet to reach customers.
You also need to realize that China is currently the banker for the US.  We have to be nice or they may cut off Washington's purse strings.  Not something the Obama administration can afford. >:(
Title: Re: Google, Citing Attack, Threatens to Exit China [FIXED :) ]
Post by: Hermite15 on March 25, 2010, 09:36:59 AM
might be about time to change this situation... I find the economic ties between China on one side and US/EU on the other side completely insane.
Title: Re: Google, Citing Attack, Threatens to Exit China [FIXED :) ]
Post by: mkis on March 25, 2010, 11:04:23 AM

Brin Drove Google to Pull Back in China
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704266504575141064259998090.html
Title: Re: Google, Citing Attack, Threatens to Exit China [FIXED :) ]
Post by: Hermite15 on March 25, 2010, 11:29:59 AM

Brin Drove Google to Pull Back in China
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704266504575141064259998090.html


interesting thanks ;)
Title: Re: Google, Citing Attack, Threatens to Exit China [FIXED :) ]
Post by: mkis on March 25, 2010, 12:26:00 PM
Sergey Brin or Brin Sergey? I always seem to get it wrong, because I'm not in any way Soviet related.

Thanks for the comment Logos. I love Mr Brin, maths genius, always occupies the high moral ground, when everything about his ilk would suggest that he won't.

You probably know this story.
Back in 9/11, he and Larry Page were sitting on a plain as day 64bit server when nearly every broadcast channel in the country crashed down around them. They cranked up their box and aimed it at the whole country, and turned out to be the whole world. Google News was born. By the next day, they were No.1 on the internet, and they have stayed that way ever since.
Title: Re: Google, Citing Attack, Threatens to Exit China [FIXED :) ]
Post by: Hermite15 on March 25, 2010, 01:23:24 PM
no I didn't know that about 9/11...Brin is his surname ;)

edit: just found

(http://blogoscoped.com/files/google-on-911-large.png)
Title: Re: Google, Citing Attack, Threatens to Exit China [FIXED :) ]
Post by: polonus on March 25, 2010, 01:36:36 PM
Hi Logos,

China: Google is the biggest looser here: http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/opinion/2010-03/22/content_9620293.htm
@Logos this is strange news: https://lists.dns-oarc.net/pipermail/dns-operations/2010-March/005280.html  Some users in USA and Chili were filtered like in mainland China because the China filter was connected to some global backbone filters. Weird news, must have been by mistake, but still makes you wonder.....your butcher in Avignon sends you a mail and you find it was Green Dam filtered  ;D Well this is very unlikely because we have our own European backbone servers....

pol
Title: Re: Google, Citing Attack, Threatens to Exit China [FIXED :) ]
Post by: mkis on March 25, 2010, 02:47:05 PM
Hey great picture

They were so many millions in already by 9/11, so the Google guys weren't exactly just starting out.
 What they had was available bandwidth - the 64bit server. And not much more.

And so what else did they have? Well, easy to see from Logos screenshot that they more or less had everybody else's websites which at the time was, and arguably still is, a questionable use of other people's property. But there it is in the picture as real as day - the wisdom of Google.
Title: Re: Google, Citing Attack, Threatens to Exit China [FIXED :) ]
Post by: Hermite15 on March 25, 2010, 03:57:56 PM
there's an interesting thread that got started on the same topic on another forum where I post (as Logos as well):
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=247911

ps: there use to be a "free speaking" section there that got ditched a while ago. So this thread I link to can be locked anytime ;) ... hasn't happened yet surprisingly ;D
Title: Re: Google, Citing Attack, Threatens to Exit China [FIXED :) ]
Post by: Hermite15 on March 27, 2010, 11:48:13 AM
read this guys ;) ... not saying that I agree with everything said, but that's interesting
http://www.windowsitpro.com/article/paul-thurrotts-wininfo/Let-s-Not-Celebrate-Google-s-Decision-to-Abandon-China.aspx
http://news.cnet.com/8301-31322_3-20001309-256.html
Title: Re: Google, Citing Attack, Threatens to Exit China [FIXED :) ]
Post by: mkis on March 30, 2010, 06:38:35 PM
Is Google Blocked In China?

http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/is_google_blocked_in_china.php?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+readwriteweb+(ReadWriteWeb)
Title: Re: Google, Citing Attack, Threatens to Exit China [FIXED :) ]
Post by: Hermite15 on March 30, 2010, 07:10:45 PM
Is Google Blocked In China?

http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/is_google_blocked_in_china.php?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+readwriteweb+(ReadWriteWeb)

yeah it's not clear yet, no official comment from China or Google, it's just users reporting... more will follow I think, don't forget to always check that page:
http://www.google.com/prc/report.html

see here too:
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/31/technology/31google.html
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-fi-china-google31-2010mar31,0,7057329.story
Title: Re: Google, Citing Attack, Threatens to Exit China [FIXED :) ]
Post by: polonus on March 31, 2010, 11:07:35 PM
Hi Logos,

China Mainland Availability: http://www.google.com/prc/report.html

polonus
Title: Re: Google, Citing Attack, Threatens to Exit China [FIXED :) ]
Post by: Hermite15 on April 01, 2010, 12:22:49 AM
Hi,

yeah I saw this earlier today, that's not good :( ...but worse was expected and can still happen.
Title: Re: Google, Citing Attack, Threatens to Exit China [FIXED :) ]
Post by: polonus on April 01, 2010, 01:52:07 PM
Hi Logos,

I think one could say that mainland China now is being used as kind of a "global testbed" to see what works and what does not, iDNS, PIv6, etc. Slightly off-topic in the Google case, but why the censor always has the last word: http://www.peacefire.org/circumventor/list-of-possible-weaknesses.html
also see: http://www.imperva.com/docs/UUT_Technology_Brief.pdf

polonus