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Title: Avast! 5 is a QUALIFIED Incomplete Application
Post by: Uncle Bud on February 01, 2010, 08:17:28 PM
I will prove this in one word and I know this wont go well wioth MANY OF YOU but the fact is Avast! 5 is COMPLETLY dependant on having OTHER software (user preference software to make it worse).

FLASH

You CANNOT utilize the complet security package without this silly component that MANY are getting away with not having...thanks Helix DNA 8)

You CANOT call Avast a full application until this is remedied,  I realize COMPLETLY that it is a purely cosmetic thing but at the same time it a purely cosmetic thing.  As far as Im concerned a security application is worhtless if I need to have ANYTHING other than my core OS...especially in todays times when we are told to MAKE SURE we have a fully functioning AV application running BEFORE we attempt to connect to the internet.

Sure, Id like to but no one that makes these things are following their OWN adivce.... :o
Title: Re: Avast! 5 is a QUALIFIED Incomplete Application
Post by: igor on February 01, 2010, 08:29:58 PM
You're wrong, of course - it only depends on how you define "complete". You can easily say that there's no statistics display in the default package - it's only an additional bonus for those having Flash installed.
The same way, the help file is available only for those having "Html Help" package installed (hardly "core OS").
The Outlook plugin (and the related features) is available only for those having MS Outlook plugin installed - I hope you won't say that MS Office is a requirement for avast!, will you? However, the logic is the same.

Anyway, you're free to use another product, if this bonus is such a problem for you.
Title: Re: Avast! 5 is a QUALIFIED Incomplete Application
Post by: DavidR on February 01, 2010, 08:32:47 PM
So what, flash is a bells and whistles issue no graphs without it. Without it avast 5 does what I expect and anti-virus to do, protect my system. Flash doesn't effect the functioning of avast. the menus work the scan settings work, only the graphs require flash, see image.

Most people already have flash installed, so no problem, but for avast to 'work' it isn't dependant on flash being installed.

So yes I guess many won't feel the same as you do.
Title: Re: Avast! 5 is a QUALIFIED Incomplete Application
Post by: Happy-Dude on February 01, 2010, 08:39:28 PM
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FLASH

Huh, I didn't actually realize. If you really WANT see to see the graphs and nice visuals, sure, install flash.

Otherwise- if you are like me and hate that piece of software- use Avast without it. No protection is lost- just the user doesn't get the pleasure of *ah, my system is safe and I can see it though these graphs!!*

Me? My system is safe because I know it is- I don't need silly graphs to tell me so.

Besides, I don't have IE flash installed. I have the Firefox plugin, but the IE plugin (which gets used system wide when programs need it) has never entered my system.
Title: Re: Avast! 5 is a QUALIFIED Incomplete Application
Post by: Gizbar on February 01, 2010, 08:48:03 PM
Poste in haste, repent at leisure.

I'm sorry, Hyjaxltd, but I completely disagree with you.

Flash is almost a pre-requisite for a fully running system. How many websites won't work properly without it? How many webgames will work? How maNy video websites will work without it? (eg. Youtube)

I think you're making a fuss about nothing. If you don't want Flash, then don't install it. Use the Firefox plugin, or don't use it at all. Avast will work perfectly well without it, and I'm only repeating what others have told you.

I also use Secunia PSI to see if there are vulnerabilities in my programs. Guess what? It displays your running security percentage week by week, using FLASH!

IT DOES NOT STOP IT FUNCTIONING PERFECTLY WELL AS AN ANTIVIRUS!!!

Title: Re: Avast! 5 is a QUALIFIED Incomplete Application
Post by: logos on February 01, 2010, 09:07:10 PM
my god not again  ;D this flash "issue" is a non-issue.
Title: Re: Avast! 5 is a QUALIFIED Incomplete Application
Post by: 2nd base on February 01, 2010, 10:58:17 PM
Flash is almost a pre-requisite for a fully running system. How many websites won't work properly without it? How many webgames will work? How maNy video websites will work without it? (eg. Youtube)

It's when they all call upon it to function at the same time that things tend to get a little iffy on the browsing side of things though, right?
Title: Re: Avast! 5 is a QUALIFIED Incomplete Application
Post by: calcu007 on February 02, 2010, 01:47:22 AM
hyjaxltd, not having flash in your computer dont affect Avast functionality. Avast work perfectly without it.
Title: Re: Avast! 5 is a QUALIFIED Incomplete Application
Post by: Vladimyr on February 02, 2010, 02:39:30 AM
I will prove this in one word and I know this wont go well wioth MANY OF YOU but the fact is Avast! 5 is COMPLETLY dependant on having OTHER software (user preference software to make it worse).

FLASH

You CANNOT utilize the complet security package without this silly component that MANY are getting away with not having...thanks Helix DNA 8)

You CANOT call Avast a full application until this is remedied,  I realize COMPLETLY that it is a purely cosmetic thing but at the same time it a purely cosmetic thing.  As far as Im concerned a security application is worhtless if I need to have ANYTHING other than my core OS...especially in todays times when we are told to MAKE SURE we have a fully functioning AV application running BEFORE we attempt to connect to the internet.

Sure, Id like to but no one that makes these things are following their OWN adivce.... :o


Silly Flash. Silly Java. Silly compressed images. Silly Mozaic. It's back to Lynx for me!
Seriously, I can understand why it might be undesirable to use Flash or Silverlight in a browser but AFAIK, there are no plans to incorporate universal HTTP capability into avast! 5, or have I missed the announcement. ;)
Title: Re: Avast! 5 is a QUALIFIED Incomplete Application
Post by: jujdred on February 02, 2010, 02:40:15 AM
avast 5 functions equally well in gui form or command line.  Pretty eye candy merely makes for 'enhanced' user experiences and nice wallpaper.  There is no dependency for Flash in avast 5.
Title: Re: Avast! 5 is a QUALIFIED Incomplete Application
Post by: pinnacle on February 02, 2010, 02:49:36 AM
 the only question that matters to the majority, is does it protect, and detect?.......YES!!!!!
Title: Re: Avast! 5 is a QUALIFIED Incomplete Application
Post by: Uncle Bud on February 02, 2010, 03:11:44 AM
So what, flash is a bells and whistles issue no graphs without it. Without it avast 5 does what I expect and anti-virus to do, protect my system. Flash doesn't effect the functioning of avast. the menus work the scan settings work, only the graphs require flash, see image.

Most people already have flash installed, so no problem, but for avast to 'work' it isn't dependant on flash being installed.

So yes I guess many won't feel the same as you do.
...but part of the application WILL NOT function, and to some of us a very important part  ;D

It can be very useful in tracking down problems.  Not to mention, its DOES qualify Avast! as an incoomplete application, being part of it is FULLY DEPENDENT on well...SEE ABOVE ONE  WORD.

...and i relly DO love Avast!, I have always come back but will step aside why people work this exploit to its knees.  I DONT KNOW HOW.  i just know being depandant on flash it WILL be done, but thats besides the who;e 'incomplete software' thing this focus' on.
Title: Re: Avast! 5 is a QUALIFIED Incomplete Application
Post by: ArtemisF0wl on February 02, 2010, 03:26:01 AM
no, just the graph is....  read the logs to find out the same information
Title: Re: Avast! 5 is a QUALIFIED Incomplete Application
Post by: Uncle Bud on February 02, 2010, 03:37:42 AM
no, just the graph is....  read the logs to find out the same information
Is the graph part of Avast?

..nuff said.
Title: Re: Avast! 5 is a QUALIFIED Incomplete Application
Post by: Mike Buxton on February 02, 2010, 03:48:30 AM
Well - there is a spell check facility below which you have chosen not to use. You could also make an effort with your English. Your link takes us to a place where everything is ¨under construction¨ and your avatar is equally informative. Do you ¨relly¨ detect there is even a glimmer of hope for your cause?







Title: Re: Avast! 5 is a QUALIFIED Incomplete Application
Post by: logos on February 02, 2010, 11:24:50 AM
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...but part of the application WILL NOT function
... which one ? oh never mind ::)
Title: Re: Avast! 5 is a QUALIFIED Incomplete Application
Post by: YoKenny on February 02, 2010, 01:11:26 PM
my god not again  ;D this flash "issue" is a non-issue.

Another tempest in a teapot topic  ::)
http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/Tempest+in+a+teapot

Temporarily Disable Flash in Internet Explorer with Toggle Flash
http://lifehacker.com/376771/temporarily-disable-flash-in-internet-explorer-with-toggle-flash

Toolbar Buttons 0.6.0.8
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/2377

@ Happy-Dude
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---Recommended PC Programs: Windows XP SP2/IE7

Windows XP has been updated to SP3 over a year and a half ago and IE8 is much better than IE7.
Title: Re: Avast! 5 is a QUALIFIED Incomplete Application
Post by: SirRUSH on February 02, 2010, 07:38:45 PM
 I'd prefer no program or Web page to use Flash.  It has increased ads, and other junk.  I (we) have to accept it and ignore the nags, or block it..or start some movement to get it removed.  The latter I don't see happening, haha.  So I use Flashblock with Firefox (No more IE for me), stops a lot of the annoyance the Web has now.  It would be nice for Yahoo Messenger and Avast! or whatever else uses it to have the option, if Flash is found, to turn it off in their programs.

 If I (and many others) had my/our way, Flash would be gone from the 'Net and no longer connected to Software, but it is what it is.  So, the choice we have is to remove it or block it where possible.
Title: Re: Avast! 5 is a QUALIFIED Incomplete Application
Post by: Zyndstoff (aka Steven Gail) on February 02, 2010, 08:19:52 PM
It would be nice for Yahoo Messenger and Avast! or whatever else uses it to have the option, if Flash is found, to turn it off in their programs.

If Avast finds Flash on your system - then you have installed it. Why should you want to turn it off in Avast then?
If you don't want flash, don't install it. Quite simple. You can do it!  ;D
Title: Re: Avast! 5 is a QUALIFIED Incomplete Application
Post by: DavidR on February 02, 2010, 09:08:47 PM
So what, flash is a bells and whistles issue no graphs without it. Without it avast 5 does what I expect and anti-virus to do, protect my system. Flash doesn't effect the functioning of avast. the menus work the scan settings work, only the graphs require flash, see image.

Most people already have flash installed, so no problem, but for avast to 'work' it isn't dependant on flash being installed.

So yes I guess many won't feel the same as you do.
...but part of the application WILL NOT function, and to some of us a very important part  ;D

It can be very useful in tracking down problems.  Not to mention, its DOES qualify Avast! as an incoomplete application, being part of it is FULLY DEPENDENT on well...SEE ABOVE ONE  WORD.

...and i relly DO love Avast!, I have always come back but will step aside why people work this exploit to its knees.  I DONT KNOW HOW.  i just know being depandant on flash it WILL be done, but thats besides the who;e 'incomplete software' thing this focus' on.

Sorry, but total rubbish, and as Igor said if you find this unacceptable then it is your right to choose another AV that doesn't use flash for graphs.
Title: Re: Avast! 5 is a QUALIFIED Incomplete Application
Post by: wonderwrench on February 03, 2010, 08:57:37 AM
Here is a good one for you guys. I just did a clean install of Win 7 Ultimate 64 bit and only installed the critical windows updates. I then installed Avast free 5.0.396 and the graphs work! I did not install flash! So either the Avast installer has the flash in it or 7 does.
Title: Re: Avast! 5 is a QUALIFIED Incomplete Application
Post by: Uncle Bud on February 04, 2010, 09:34:33 AM
Well - there is a spell check facility below which you have chosen not to use. You could also make an effort with your English. Your link takes us to a place where everything is ¨under construction¨ and your avatar is equally informative. Do you ¨relly¨ detect there is even a glimmer of hope for your cause?
"Enough said"... 8)

do you feel better now.  Tell you what, since you coulnd't see the videos, nor know how to send an email via a contact link...start a forum just to try an pick my posts apart.  This topic is covering the FACT that Avast CANNOT fully function without another application.  No more, no less.

If you were to watch the video's you would maybe understand that we are developing ADVANCED NEW TECHNOLGY so the other links will become active as we develop consumer units.

And just in case, Iv provided a screen shot so you can know where to go...   :o
the only question that matters to the majority, is does it protect, and detect?.......YES!!!!!
It seems MANY decisions were simply based on 'the majority' but what do 'the majority' no about protection?

"The majority" use ineffective and comprimised applications like Norton and other various products.  I dont do ANYTHING just becuase of what 'the masses' might say or think.  I look at ALL the evidence complied for both sides...and BTW, this is not being brought up as an issue, simply a fact.

Ill still buy it for my home, but WOULD NEVER recommend it to someone with SERIOUS security needs.  Thats all.
Title: Re: Avast! 5 is a QUALIFIED Incomplete Application
Post by: Vlk on February 04, 2010, 09:41:07 AM
I would agree that the inclusion of the flash component in the GUI is "questionable". It was a decision we have made some time ago - and we still don't have enough data to asses whether it was a good or bad decision (that is, most of the feedback was pretty positive, I mean people appreciate the charts, and our developers saved some time and instead of implementing flashy charts and maps they could concentrate on more important things).

Thanks
Vlk
Title: Re: Avast! 5 is a QUALIFIED Incomplete Application
Post by: Uncle Bud on February 04, 2010, 09:42:42 AM
Here is a good one for you guys. I just did a clean install of Win 7 Ultimate 64 bit and only installed the critical windows updates. I then installed Avast free 5.0.396 and the graphs work! I did not install flash! So either the Avast installer has the flash in it or 7 does.
If this is true then YAAY!!!
I would agree that the inclusion of the flash component in the GUI is "questionable". It was a decision we have made some time ago - and we still don't have enough data to asses whether it was a good or bad decision (that is, most of the feedback was pretty positive, I mean people appreciate the charts, and our developers saved some time and instead of implementing flashy charts and maps they could concentrate on more important things).

Thanks
Vlk

Thank you.  Im not the only one, and again Ill use it for my home PC but flash is to infectable at this point.