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Other => General Topics => Topic started by: Chris Thomas on March 16, 2010, 07:13:12 PM
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You can install the preview of IE 9 now
YoKenny and other IE fans will be very happy today :)
http://ie.microsoft.com/testdrive/
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Does not support any operating system earlier than Windows Vista SP 2.....Too bad
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... and it's a platform preview, not a browser preview ;D
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IE blows, just say "No" and get Firefox today! ;D
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@ Logos
Yes. It was a platform preview. Thanks for pointing it out.
But this sucks. Very slow.
I would rather stick with my Mozilla Minefield
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IE blows, just say "No" and get Firefox today! ;D
http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/enfantprovocateur.htm
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IE blows, just say "No" and get Firefox today! ;D
http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/enfantprovocateur.htm
;D ;D ;D
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I like playing SVG–oids
Internet Explorer 9 – Developer preview OverviewOverall the preview of IE 9 is great , if this is what Microsoft is bringing out in future , it’s good bye other browsers for me
http://senseapplied.com/index.php/internet-explorer-9-developer-preview-overview/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=internet-explorer-9-developer-preview-overview
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This is really better than IE 8
(http://i40.tinypic.com/if9xmg.jpg)
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SAY GOODBYE TO WINDOWS XP FOREVER :'(
Internet Explorer General Manager Dean Hachamovitch all but confirmed today that the next version of Microsoft's Web browser, Internet Explorer 9, will not be supported on Windows XP.
Hachamovitch stopped short of explicitly saying that XP would not be supported, but said that building a "modern browser" required a "modern operating system." IE9 will be heavily dependent on hardware acceleration, courtesy of its use of Direct2D and DirectWrite; neither API is available on Windows XP.
That IE9 would use these features has been known since last year's PDC, and so the lack of XP support should come as a surprise to few. Nonetheless, there are sure to be some who will gripe that the newest browser (not likely to hit until next year at the earliest) won't be available for a decade-old operating system.
http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2010/03/unsurprisingly-ie9-wont-be-supported-on-an-obsolete-os.ars
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:'( so sad to me :'(
maybe i will wait until my comp not working anymore then put it in the junk yard
it cannot be upgraded :'(
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@ bong2x
No need to worry.
Firefox future builds will surely support XP..... ;D
I am using Mozilla Minefield and it works on XP
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;D thank you chris!! im alive again!!!
Good to hear that :D
im thinking my comp become useless after a year :-\
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:'( so sad to me :'(
maybe i will wait until my comp not working anymore then put it in the junk yard
it cannot be upgraded :'(
It will fit in with the other antiques there. ;)
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good idea i build a museum and i put it as a highlight there!!! with name plate my first and longest life computer ;D
yokenny nice try ;D
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SAY GOODBYE TO WINDOWS XP FOREVER :'(
Internet Explorer General Manager Dean Hachamovitch all but confirmed today that the next version of Microsoft's Web browser, Internet Explorer 9, will not be supported on Windows XP.
Hachamovitch stopped short of explicitly saying that XP would not be supported, but said that building a "modern browser" required a "modern operating system." IE9 will be heavily dependent on hardware acceleration, courtesy of its use of Direct2D and DirectWrite; neither API is available on Windows XP.
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What an absolute load of tosh, XP has a legal extended support life cycle until April 2014 that no matter how much they squirm they can't wriggle out of.
IE9 has nothing to do with XP the two are separate entities, XP shipped with IE6 and believe it or not that too has to be supported until the end of the same XP extended support life cycle also. IE7 is still getting support as I believe that came with Vista. IE8 is still supported, h*ll the paint on it is still drying out.
Yet here we are with MS announcing IE9 and wanting to have everyone switch to it to use an underhand, devious, misrepresentation that XP is dead because of the future release of IE9 is total FUD, rubbish, tosh, c**p.
Microsoft has been trying to kill XP in this FUD way since Vista was first announced, yet even now XP has around 60% market share
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IE6 has been around, forever, and still going strong. Not to worry, as DavidR stated. They (Microsoft) will figure out what they need to do to get IE9 to work with XP, when the time comes, I'm sure of that. I have a sample version of IE9 and am testing it. Sorry everyone is always so down on Internet Explorer, as well as Windows XP. When a new version of IE is introduced, as with any new product, it's always out with the older version of a system, and in with the new. It just doesn't work that way.
I happen to love all versions of IE. They have their share of problems, that's true. I've been using different versions of them, for a very long time, along with other browsers, and I just guess I've been lucky with each version. Don't worry Chris, it will be just fine. ;)
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XP has around 60% market share
nothing to be really proud of ::) ... on the users' side. But again, I must have been among the lucky ones (0.000000000001% or what do you reckon?) who ditched XP for Vista and had everything up and running on a 2003 computer, printer, wifi, graphics etc...while I could read everywhere that Vista was lame, insecure, even trojan-ware (it's true I've read it :D ).
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@ DavidR
It is not only IE 9 but before April 2014 USB 3.0 is going to be common and right now Windows XP 3 don't support it and as far as I know, it is never going to be supported. >:(
Hard drives are about to undergo one of the biggest format shifts in 30 years. :'(
By early 2011 all hard drives will use an "advanced format" that changes how they go about saving the data people store on them.
512-byte sectors have been the norm for decades. The 512-byte size was itself inherited from floppy disks, making it an even older historical artifact. The age of this standard means that it's baked in to a lot of important software: PC BIOSes, operating systems, and the boot loaders that hand control from the BIOS to the operating system. All of this makes migration to a new standard difficult.
Instead of storing 512-byte sectors, hard disks will start using 4096-byte sectors. 4096 is a good size for this kind of thing. For one, it matches the standard size of allocation units in the NTFS filesystem, which nowadays is probably the most widely used filesystem on personal computers. Secondly, it matches the standard size of memory pages on x86 systems. Memory allocations on x86 systems are generally done in multiples of 4096 bytes, and correspondingly, many disk operations (such as reading to or from the pagefile, or reading in executable programs), which interact intimately with the memory system, are equally done in multiples of 4096 bytes.
Phoenix produced preliminary BIOS support for the specification in 2005, and Microsoft, for its part, ensured that Windows Vista would support the new sector size. Windows Vista, Windows Server 2008, Windows 7, and Windows Server 2008 R2 all support the new sector size. MacOS X supports it, and Linux kernels since September 2009 also support it.
The big obvious name missing from this list is Windows XP (and its server counterpart, Windows Server 2003). Windows XP (along with old Linux kernels) has, somewhere within its code, a fixed assumption of 512 byte sectors. Try to use it with hard disks with 4096 byte sectors and failure will ensue. :-\
Quote from
http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2010/03/why-new-hard-disks-might-not-be-much-fun-for-xp-users.ars/
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yeah OK but XP users who spared a few bucks when not buying Vista are very unlikely to acquire new hard disks ;D
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@ Chris Thomas
Again a big so what if USB3 comes out that too doesn't kill anything and users can continue using their system as they are right now.
As and when they get another new system then they will consider their options
Again so sodding what if new HDD format won't support XP, in 2011 when these come out that too doesn't kill anything and users can continue using their system as they are right now. Do you think that all current standard SATA drives will cease to exist, no they will probably get cheaper, heck you can still get IDE HDDs if you need to.
Life will continue pretty much as normal in the world after IE9, USB3 and the new HDD 'advanced' format. The earth will continue to rotate despite these FUD reports, progress happens, but that doesn't mean everything before it will die.
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@ David
Thanks for the assurance :D
But we still have to move on some day otherwise we will end up like people complaining about Avast icon issue on Windows 2000
DirectX 10 is necessary if you want your upcoming browser to use Direct 2D and other related stuff
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Yes, but the difference is that it is in your hands, not the doom sayers.
As and when you when you come to upgrade your system, there are crucial things you will decide, primarily what OS and win7 is out now and the paint is hardly dry in the Gold version release and MS are already talking of the next windows version.
So nearer the time that you would consider a new system having followed developments on the likes of OS, HDD development, Optical and USB devices, etc. and you try to future proof your purchase as best as possible.
Most graphics cards/chips already support directX 10 and directX 11 is already out in some graphics cards though currently there aren't many takers in the games developers but that will change when directX 11 is more common.
So don't worry about the future concern yourself with today as that is what effects your system today. Monitor developments so when you come to upgrade or get a new system you know your options.
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I purchased a system last March that was capable of running Vista now Windows 7 so I am in no hurry to upgrade so I will cross that bridge when I come to it.
It is all immaterial as its all going to end Dec 21, 2012:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-KGg0BWFb-4
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A little more info
Microsoft's new JavaScript engine, called Chakra. It will support multicore processors.
Chakra is a HINDI word so I suspect some Indian is working on it.
Maybe I am right
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@ Chris Thomas
I guess it addresses the throat chakra best. ;)
http://www.chakra-colors.com
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;D
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@ DavidR
It is not only IE 9 but before April 2014 USB 3.0 is going to be common and right now Windows XP 3 don't support it and as far as I know, it is never going to be supported. >:(
Hard drives are about to undergo one of the biggest format shifts in 30 years. :'(
By early 2011 all hard drives will use an "advanced format" that changes how they go about saving the data people store on them.
Quote from
http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2010/03/why-new-hard-disks-might-not-be-much-fun-for-xp-users.ars/
There will be drivers produced for usb 3.0 and the new HDD format for XP by some people.
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Well no doubt someone will come up with drivers but without USB3 ports the driver won't be of much use. Then we will be waiting for a corresponding PCI card with USB3 ports and chips.
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Hi DavidR,
MS wants to go faster than reality allows, 56% of the OS population still is on XP SP3. To use IE9 as an excuse to abandon anything older than W7/Vista could be another issue for the EU commissioner to look into.Another issue is why a browser should come integrated with the Operational System, that certainly was a monopolistic action of the MS Imperium, IE rated to own 62,5% of the overall browser market.
IE8 will be tomorrow's IE6 soon. Users that want to continue the use of XP SP3 will switch to another browser like Chrome, Firefox, Flock, Opera etc. Actually MS has stated that IE9 will come integrated into W7 and was back-ported to or made compatible with Vista, so a lot of users better switch from XP directly to W7, because the browser was developed with that OS in mind,
polonus
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Yes, MS have been trying to despatch XP for years, but it won't lie down and die, the public aren't ready to do so yet either, Vista came and Vista went and I believe it never got up to 20% market share, now win7 has a higher market share than Vista I believe.
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We'll XP users like me will have to:
1. Backup their personal files (on CD or online).
2. Trade in their old XP PC (which they'll be recycled) with a new one that has more RAM and more disk space along with Windows 7. Vista will be gone unless Microsoft starts releasing a third service pack.
Here's an idea: How about "Windows Green", an energy efficient OS that uses less RAM and less disk space? That would be a great idea, right?
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MS OSes seem to get progressively larger and larger, so I don't expect to see a lightweight efficient OS from MS ant time soon.
They have been promising for some considerable time to put the windows kernel on a very strict diet and that was thought to be for what is now win7, but that didn't happen.
I guess we will have to see what the Google Chrome OS brings ;D
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Internet Explorer 9 preview
Thank you for visiting the Windows Internet Explorer Testing Center
This website contains several collections of new test pages that we developed in conjunction with the World Wide Web Consortium (W3C) working groups. These 192 test pages have been updated based on feedback and now include some new HTML5 test pages.
See Cross-browser Test Results Summary:
http://samples.msdn.microsoft.com/ietestcenter
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IE blows, just say "No" and get Firefox today! ;D
agree to 100%
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I love my XP SP3 operating system. I've barely ever had a problem with it, and it gets the job done! I guess I'll just stick with Firefox.
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I love my XP SP3 operating system. I've barely ever had a problem with it, and it gets the job done! I guess I'll just stick with Firefox.
Then are those that are stuck in the evolutionary process.
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Then are those that are stuck in the evolutionary process.
What do you mean?
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Then are those that are stuck in the evolutionary process.
What do you mean?
Have you not seen the Flintstones ???
U.S. replaces China as top source of malicious servers
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/technologylive/post/2010/06/us-replaces-china-as-top-source-of-malicious-servers/1
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Have you not seen the Flintstones ???
Yes I have, many times. And many times, this forum reminds me of Fred. :(
Regards...
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Internet Explorer 9 previewThank you for visiting the Windows Internet Explorer Testing Center
This website contains several collections of new test pages that we developed in conjunction with the World Wide Web Consortium (W3C) working groups. These 192 test pages have been updated based on feedback and now include some new HTML5 test pages.
See Cross-browser Test Results Summary:
http://samples.msdn.microsoft.com/ietestcenter
I seem to have a hard time believing these tests... :P
I wish HTML 5 replace flash soon...
Windows XP users must think about either shifting to Linux or Windows 7
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Why, what is so special about IE9 that I can't get in Firefox or Chrome or Opera for that matter that would mean having to change OS, for me absolutely nothing. HTML5 is being supported in other upcoming browsers and they aren't applying any such restriction, it will also work with XP.
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Why, what is so special about IE9 that I can't get in Firefox or Chrome or Opera for that matter that would mean having to change OS, for me absolutely nothing. HTML5 is being supported in other upcoming browsers and they aren't applying any such restriction, it will also work with XP.
There is nothing special but we are seeing a familiar footprint on how Microsoft dumped other versions of their OS in the past by discontinuing support for them and the rest of the software makers followed suit...
Just my opinion..thats all... :)
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The problem is that yes they may be trying to dump older OSes, but at the same time when that OS still has almost 60% of the OS market share they are restricting the user base of the new product range. For me that is a poor marketing choice and shooting themselves in the foot is a phrase that comes to mind.
This is more crazy when it isn't a technical reason why XP can't use IE9 and HTML5 if the other browsers can still do it they are giving away IE9 market share of 60% of the OS using XP, crazy.
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"Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it”
George Santayana
I guess Microsoft is learning from its mistakes.
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Microsoft is trying to push users away from XP, that is a given. Almost all of their new software is for Windows 7, I guess if they feel you want the newer software you need a newer OS. What bothers me is that Windows 7 was suppose to be the "all-all". Less holes to patch or no holes to patch and that is not the case. This months security updates include windows 7 and from what i see there are at least 7 of them.
I would love for them to make a pc operating system with no holes- and don't tell me to go buy a mac because for one MAC you can purchase 2 pcs.
robin
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I would love for them to make a pc operating system with no holes- and don't tell me to go buy a mac because for one MAC you can purchase 2 pcs.
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So would they...but it simply isn't feasible...no matter what you try and do, there will always be something there to exploit...
And the whole mac thing is simply because they aren't targeted as much...there still could be (and I imagine are) similar things with macs but because they are not targeted, we assume it is more secure...