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Other => General Topics => Topic started by: HPY on March 27, 2010, 08:56:56 AM
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Hello all -
I have used Defraggler twice, mainly because it displays fragmentation and Windows Vista Home Premium does not which works without a display.
This was the result:
File System NFTS Laptop capacity 290.0 GB Used 82.3 GB Free Space 207.6 GB
BEFORE "defraggling" Free Space was 219 GB. 12 GB of memory must have gone somewhere!
It seems to eat the memory everytime it is used, mainly by creating enormous System Volume Information files. Could these be where the 12 GB of memory went??
e.g.
{79788eda-389e-11df-ab14-001dba8bb349}{3808876b-c176-4e48-b7ae-04046e6cc752} 10 15833505792 C:\System Volume Information\
These it does not defragment and I would not wish to tamper with SVI without knowing whether it is these that are eating 12 GB of memory.
Any ideas? Maybe I should use CCleaner to clean the registry?
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May be your system have created a restore point before defragmentation process. This is not a problem of Defraggler. Defraggler often cannot defragment such large files. If you want back that 12gb, turn off your system restore(not a wise idea) and then turn it on and then manually create a restore point.
Cleaning reagistry with Ccleaner will not help. Registry Cleaning is always dangerous.
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Thanks sg09
So there is nothing that I can do? Obviously I cannot turn off system restore, but perhaps there is a way to delete the old restore points and leave the most recent (yestardays)? . .. (As it does seem, as you say, that the system reacts to Defraggler by creating a Sys Restore point.)
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Yes, there is a possibilty to delete old restore points.
Right click on the drive. Somewhere is the options "optimize" or "free up space" or something like that. Than you will find a button for advanced options (or something like that), there you can delete all restore points except the last one.
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Here are screenshots for Win7 (should be the same in Vista):
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Well thanks Zyndstoff (Zundstoff?)
If you are German you can reply in German, as my Anleitungen for Vista are all in German. My understanding of German is good and I don't want to screw up. Your suggestion sounded logical but a bit dangerous!
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Zyndstoff
OK I have right-clicked and clicked on Eigenschaften (properties) which gave me the first screen shot you showed me. Then I clicked on Reinigen which then asks which file. I stopped there. Ah - our posts keep crossing. I#ll wait until I have read yours.
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As I don't understand German, I didn't understand what he said. But I have a suggestion to delete old restore point. But first make a manual restore point.
I guess you have Ccleaner, open this go to "Tools">"System Restore"
It will show the system restore points that has been created. Delete the desired one... that's it...
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Systemdateien bereinigen anklicken.
Dann rechnet er nochmal. Danach erscheint das dritte Bild...
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Welche ? "Alle Benutzer" oder "Eigene dateeien"? I am Vista don't forget - might be different..
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sg09
thanks. that looks simple enough. I was following Zyndstoff's suggestion using his Windows 7 displays as a guide which I belive are also in German, but the displays differed slightly since mine is Vista. I don't want to click on the wrong option because of a language problem!
Re CCleaner: I am certain that my last Sys Restore points were today or yesterday. Would it be sufficient to delete all shown by CCleaner and simply keep the latest?
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sg09
I lack confidence in messing with this andhave given up on Zyndstoff's approach until further clatification.
I repeat re CCleaner: I am certain that my last Sys Restore points were today or yesterday. Would it be sufficient to delete all shown by CCleaner and simply keep the latest?
Most gratfeul for your replies.
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:D System Volume Information is a margin of system, inside the system volume information is the information of what kind of format do have in your system,(ex: fat32,fat,ntfs,or exfat) with the service host hosting the volume.
i have this experiment a months ago my external drive (format ntfs) i see system volume information with it, so im thinking that it is a virus, so i deleted it with unlocker, 3-days ago after deleting the system volume information in my external drive, my external drive become informated :D
my files is hopeless i cannot recover it. there is the software that can see the file in informative drive but i cannot afford to buy it.
like my fairytale? ;D
Best Regards!!!
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bong2x
I get the message - don't f**k around with system files unless you know what you are doing, and I am talking about my C Drive ...
sg09
I still haven't had the gust to try my CCleaner on those old restore points:" I am certain that my last Sys Restore points were today or yesterday. Would it be sufficient to delete all shown by CCleaner and simply keep the latest?"
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I get the message - don't f**k around with system files unless you know what you are doing
Good idea!!!
I am talking about my C Drive ...
c-drive have system volume information too, the size of your volume information is depend also to the size of your hard disc
ex: if you have 500gb then system volume information 12gb-20gb
if below 500gb then 8gb-12gb
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Nutze den CCleaner.
Das ist okay.
Ich weiß aber nicht, wo bei meinem Weg das Problem ist...?
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wahrscheinlich weil ich bloed bin, und kann die kleinen Zeichen auf Ihren darstellungen nicht richtig lesen. Ob Win 7 anders als Vista ist z.b.?
Die darstellung bei CCleaner meldet unter System restore in der Liste nur "Windows Update" von gestern (als ich Defraggled habe) : ist diese Update als System resore Point zu verstehen?
- ich dachte, dass diese Menge System Volume Info - riesen Dateien - wegen der Defraggling statgefunden haben. Woher kamen diese? Ich kann mich kaum vorstellen, dass sie wegen Windows Update so enorm geworden sind.
System Volume Info ist hautsaechlich fuer den Sprung von 12 GB Memory verantwortlich. (Lokale datentraeger 207GB - gestern 219).. komisch
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Einmal auf die Bilder klicken: die werden dann groß... :-)
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danke - es war wie Win 7. Ich habe "bereinigen" and dann "loeschen bis auf den letzetn Wiederherstullungspunkt" gedruckt. Ich glaube es dauert ein bisschen noch. Tief atmen ---
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Zyndstoff - I used Windows own system as you suggested and I now have 247 instead of 207 GB frei. Can't be bad, eh?
Thanks for the Abbildungen - gave me confidence.
Tschuss
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You should lower the max capacity for Sys restore points.
Rightclick on "Computer" (or "Arbeitsplatz" in Vista maybe)
Click "Eigenschaften"
Click "Erweiterte Systemeinstellungen" "Computerschutz" (screenshot 1)
Click "System C", "Konfigurieren"
Select a lower memory usage (I have 5%) (screenshot 2)
You can do that for all drives. I have it disabled for other drives than C:
Zyndstoff
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Zyndstoff
Thanks. I must say there are differences between 7 and Vista. By right-clicking on computer and Eigenschafte z.B., you are directed into a Windows page that just tells you about your system and not the usual Eigenschaften -> Erweitert usw.
However in the past I have been to a page similar to the Abbildung 3 you refer me to.
I have to go. But I will make that adjustment as you recommended.
(I am not too good at switching langauges - because my use of written German is always "passive" as I have been a technical translator for some years abnd was/am always translating from German into mother tongue English!)
I guess with you it must be umgekehrt..
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It's not really umgekehrt, I speak beide Sprachen rather well. ;D
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Me too however, this is still an English speaking forum. :)
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sg09
I still haven't had the gust to try my CCleaner on those old restore points:" I am certain that my last Sys Restore points were today or yesterday. Would it be sufficient to delete all shown by CCleaner and simply keep the latest?"
Sorry for the delay friend. If your system is behaving properly then you can delete all the old restore points. But this MAY be risky in some cases. So I will not suggest that.
Personally I delete old restore point often when my PC behaves properly like no virus attack/Driver failure/Any abnormality. But you have to be careful enough to that. No wonder when danger comes... ::)
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Me too however, this is still an English speaking forum. :)
Yes, and manchmal also Deutsch, if needed.
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(Reply #20 on: Today at 10:05:40 AM)
I give up - I cannot find a way in VISTA to get to Zyndstoff's display so that I can set it at 5% - see screenshot 2 - _sys2.PNG
Anyone got VISTA?
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Rightclick on "Arbeitsplatz" or "Computer" whatever it is named.
"Eigenschaften"
It is there somewhere.
Or: "Gerätesteuerung" - "System" - it's there somewhere.
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It's called "Systemsteuerung" which gives System und Wartung, then Sicherung des Computers erstellen.
Then you get to Systemeigenschaften - Computerschutz, which looks just like your screenshot EXCEPT there is NO Konfigurieren button, just Systemeiderherstellung above the Verfuegbare Datentraeger and Erstellen below. i have looked at the drop-down options and there also is no Configure. This is annoying because I FOUND what you showed me by accident some weeks ago!
I don't suppose I could get at it using another prog?
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nyone got VISTA?
I have..
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sg09
Great. What I want to do is as Zyndstoff showed me with his XP. That is, to keep the System Restore Point file sizes down by the automatic removal of the old ones. There should be a Configure button. Zyndstoff has set his to 5% so that there would be no more than (in his case) 3.41 GB of SRP files on his system at any one time.
This Configure button is there somewhere, because I found it accidentally some time ago!!
If you could direct me to it I would be most grateful..
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This is for XP but Vista should be somewhat similar.
Go to ...
Start > Programs > Accessories > System Tools > System Restore > System Restore Settings @ bottom left > select the drive (most likely C:) by clicking once if not already preselected > click Settings > move the slider to the desired % > click OK
... see the image below.
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CharleyO
thanks for that. Yes I know and you would have thought it possible on VISTA. I tried a parallel route but it does not get me to that slider!
Please if there is anyone out there who knows VISTA please let me know.
Thanks to Zunstoff using the XP screen shots, I did solve my original problem - so I suppose I will have to do so again, until I can find that slider!
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bist du mit adminrechten angemeldet?
falls nein, kann es sein, daß du einige systemrelevanten einstellungen nicht vornehmen kannst.
asyn
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It's Win7 screenshots by the way. I skipped Vista! Clever me, eh? ;D
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bist du mit adminrechten angemeldet?
falls nein, kann es sein, daß du einige systemrelevanten einstellungen nicht vornehmen kannst.
asyn
Well yes, ueberspringen usw. but this is VISTA that I am talking about.
Zyndstoff - I am have heard that Win7 is not that wonderful either.
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@HPY: I am giving you two links. Go through this
http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=243
http://www.watchingthenet.com/how-to-reduce-disk-space-used-by-windows-vista-system-restore.html
second one is more valuable in your case....
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I have no complaints about Win7 whatsoever. It's Pro x64 and just about everything runs flawlessly and smooth.
So, in my experience, it's a great system.
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@HPY: I am giving you two links. Go through this
http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=243
http://www.watchingthenet.com/how-to-reduce-disk-space-used-by-windows-vista-system-restore.html
second one is more valuable in your case....
Thank you, I will.
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@HPY: I am giving you two links. Go through this
http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=243
http://www.watchingthenet.com/how-to-reduce-disk-space-used-by-windows-vista-system-restore.html
second one is more valuable in your case....
Thank you, I will.
Hi sg09
I looked into the second link which recognises the same problem with Vista - there is no "slider" for reducing the percentage usage as there is with XP and 7.
The "vssadmin list shadowstorage" solution looks too risky for me so i will have to stay with Zyndstoff's - if only because I now know how to do it quickly if needed.
Thanks all.
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@HPY: I am giving you two links. Go through this
http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=243
http://www.watchingthenet.com/how-to-reduce-disk-space-used-by-windows-vista-system-restore.html
second one is more valuable in your case....
Thank you, I will.
Hi sg09
I looked into the second link which recognises the same problem with Vista - there is no "slider" for reducing the percentage usage as there is with XP and 7.
The "vssadmin list shadowstorage" solution looks too risky for me so i will have to stay with Zyndstoff's - if only because I now know how to do it quickly if needed.
Thanks all.
That is not risky if you follow it properly and It will reduce the space taken during system backup. Yes all the system restore points will be cleared by this... that's a problem though....
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I agree. No risk at all.
Just follow instructions and reduce to 1/3 of the current, actual shown size (=5%).