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Title: About Home Edition
Post by: rdsu on July 07, 2004, 02:04:52 PM
Hi,

I saw in the Pro Edition that all the packers wasn't selected.

In Home Edition, the packers are selected by default or how can I know wich are selected?

Thanks
Title: Re:About Home Edition
Post by: Vlk on July 07, 2004, 05:48:39 PM
You mean in the on-demand or on-access scanner?

Please be a bit more specific.

Thanks
Vlk
Title: Re:About Home Edition
Post by: rdsu on July 07, 2004, 06:49:00 PM
I mean on-acess, but you can tell about the on-demand too ;)
Title: Re:About Home Edition
Post by: rdsu on July 08, 2004, 03:46:01 AM
?
Title: Re:About Home Edition
Post by: Vlk on July 08, 2004, 09:44:46 AM
The settings in Home and Pro are identical. The difference is that in Pro, you can customize them. On Home, you can't.
Title: Re:About Home Edition
Post by: rdsu on July 08, 2004, 12:52:15 PM
The settings in Home and Pro are identical. The difference is that in Pro, you can customize them. On Home, you can't.
With your reply, I can conclude that the Home Edition doesn't have all the unpackers enable, right?
Title: Re:About Home Edition
Post by: igor on July 08, 2004, 01:12:23 PM
For the on-access scanner, you are right.
In the on-demand scanner, you can enable all supported packers by the checkbox "Scan archive files".
Title: Re:About Home Edition
Post by: rdsu on July 08, 2004, 01:24:22 PM
For the on-access scanner, you are right.
In the on-demand scanner, you can enable all supported packers by the checkbox "Scan archive files".

OK, thanks for your info ;)
Title: Re:About Home Edition
Post by: Lisandro on July 08, 2004, 01:41:31 PM
For the on-access scanner, you are right.

We, shgoh and I, tried a lot to 'solve' this issue... I mean, the deftasks.xml could do it right? But, it is reloaded after boot and all the customization is lost...  :(
Title: Re:About Home Edition
Post by: rloschmann on July 08, 2004, 06:08:03 PM
Maybe a deftasks.xml automatic generator could be created ?

Someone interested ?   ;D
Title: Re:About Home Edition
Post by: Lisandro on July 08, 2004, 07:13:18 PM
Maybe a deftasks.xml automatic generator could be created ?
Someone interested ?   ;D

Le Doc, each boot, a 'new' deftasks.xml file will be 'created' according to the defaults of the program. Any changes will be lost...
Do you mean an automatic generator of the 'default' file? I think it won't be possible as it is defined somewhere 'inside' avast code.
Of course, I can be completely wrong as I am not a programmer  ::)
Title: Re:About Home Edition
Post by: Vlk on July 08, 2004, 08:44:50 PM
Hey, as I said about 10 times already, the changes in the deftasks.xml do get lost but the ones in the actual configuration storage DO NOT. These are of course persisted!!

Please re-read my original post... :)
Title: Re:About Home Edition
Post by: Lisandro on July 08, 2004, 08:50:35 PM
Hey, as I said about 10 times already, the changes in the deftasks.xml do get lost but the ones in the actual configuration storage DO NOT. These are of course persisted!!
Please re-read my original post... :)

Don't get angry with us, please  8)

I do not found your original post but I'm confused: what is 'actual configuration storage'?
For me, the configuration are stored into Windows Registry, avast4.ini and deftasks.xml file... What am I missing?

Excuse me, Vlk, I really do not understand deftasks.xml. Sorry boring you, but I tried  :-\
Title: Re:About Home Edition
Post by: igor on July 09, 2004, 09:41:12 AM
I believe the actual storage is the Avast4.mdb file when Database=ODBC (and probably Avast4.xml for Database=XML? just guessing...)
Title: Re:About Home Edition
Post by: Vlk on July 09, 2004, 09:56:30 AM
I'm not angry. It's just that no matter how hard I try to explain I don't quite seem to be understood... a bit frustrating, gotta say... :)

Here's the original explanation: http://forum.avast.com/index.php?board=1;action=display;threadid=5492;start=msg40916#msg40916

The " Configuration Storage" is indeed the avast4.mdb in case of Database=ODBC and avast4.xml in case of Database=XML. In short, the file where avast stores its current configuration (besides the ini file).
Title: Re:About Home Edition
Post by: Lisandro on July 09, 2004, 03:59:24 PM
We're lazy and stupid... Now we don't understand this you posted before:

Quote
The reverting-to-the-original-version thing you're seeing is a consequence of the fact that deftasks.xml is normal part of avast installation and therefore the avast auto-repair feature always replaces it to the original version. However, this is not a problem as the "import" procedure from the modified version is already done at that moment.

Please, help me on my thought:

1. avast loads
2. the user changes some settings
3. the user runs the repair function and deftasks.xml is 'restored' to original state
4. boot
5. What happens with the configuration?
    Between which step the configuration of number 2 was saved?

If I understand correctly, among the configuration stored in deftasks.xml are the archive file types to be scanned 'on-access', aren't they?
On-demmand you can check 'all' archive files to scanned...
How to do it on-access?

See Igor's post:

Quote
For the on-access scanner, you are right.
In the on-demand scanner, you can enable all supported packers by the checkbox "Scan archive files".

Can you teach me?  ;D
Title: Re:About Home Edition
Post by: shgoh on July 10, 2004, 04:35:59 AM
sorry vlk...it's kind of misleading...but then now we all understand the the configurations in deftask.xml is passed on somewhere upon reboot :)

but like what technical just mentioned above...it seems a little contradicting? :P
Title: Re:About Home Edition
Post by: Lisandro on July 10, 2004, 02:08:58 PM
In short, on-access is avast Home protected by default into all packers available? It seems not... You should change any configuration to achieve that but, after boot, things come back to default, ie, non protected.

Sorry if I'm mixing and messing things...
I just want to understand  8)
Title: Re:About Home Edition
Post by: shgoh on July 11, 2004, 10:53:14 AM
technical...from what i understand from igor and vlk...we definitely need to add those lines into deftask.xml in order to scan archives for on-access (home edition only)

but then after you edited the deftask.xml...because it's part of avast installation...it gets back to its original..

the trick here is that before it gets back to its original state...the configurations from deftask.xml are passed onto some configuration storage...which is avast4.mdb in case of Database=ODBC and avast4.xml in case of Database=XML.

therefore...according to vlk...no settings is lost!!! ;D

so i assumed that only changes made to deftask.xml are transfered to the configuration storage...hence subsequent reboots does not cause the settings to be lost..

but then...just my curiosity...how do we revert those settings in the configuration storage? 8)
Title: Re:About Home Edition
Post by: Lars-Erik on July 12, 2004, 10:45:41 PM
For the on-access scanner, you are right.

We, shgoh and I, tried a lot to 'solve' this issue... I mean, the deftasks.xml could do it right? But, it is reloaded after boot and all the customization is lost...  :(

Isn't it saved in the database?  I have enabled all packers and stuff on my home edition. And even though it's reset in the file they still are active in the Access database...  I followed this info:

If on-access, yes, avast by default doesn't look for viruses in packed files. However, it can be enabled. Look at the "deftasks.xml" file in the avast folder - all you need to do to enable scanning of archives on-access is to add the line

<STANDARD--ScanPackers>EXE;ZIP;MIME;RAR;ARJ;TAR;GZ;CAB;ARC;ACE;ZOO;BZIP2;WinExec</STANDARD--ScanPackers>

after the line

<STANDARD--InvalidEntry>1</STANDARD--InvalidEntry>

When you have saved the changed "deftasks.xml" file, reboot the system to make the change permanent
Title: Re:About Home Edition
Post by: Lisandro on July 13, 2004, 08:34:41 PM
When you have saved the changed "deftasks.xml" file, reboot the system to make the change permanent

Well, I did it... Maybe I have to stop all avast itens (program and services) before shutting down.
I did but the changes were lost on next boot  :'(
Title: Re:About Home Edition
Post by: Lars-Erik on July 13, 2004, 08:37:14 PM
Have you checked the avast.mdb database. It's no harm opening it. It's a normal Access database. And you will find the entries from the "deftask.xml" file easily. You can even add thing directly in the database (at your own risk :-)
Title: Re:About Home Edition
Post by: Lisandro on July 13, 2004, 08:39:09 PM
Have you checked the avast.mdb database. It's no harm opening it. It's a normal Access database. And you will find the entries from the "deftask.xml" file easily. You can even add thing directly in the database (at your own risk :-)

But will it be saved after boot?
Title: Re:About Home Edition
Post by: Lars-Erik on July 13, 2004, 08:43:28 PM
Mine is anyway...
Title: Re:About Home Edition
Post by: Lisandro on July 13, 2004, 08:44:48 PM
Mine is anyway...

You're lucky...  :(
I'll try again  :-[
Title: Re:About Home Edition
Post by: rdsu on July 15, 2004, 09:18:16 PM
Why we cannot choose the files directly from the AV instead of edit a file?

In AntiVir I can choose all the settings that I want...
Title: Re:About Home Edition
Post by: igor on July 15, 2004, 09:31:44 PM
Because changing of these options simple isn't supported by the (somehow restricted) Home edition - by design. As you can see, it's possible to "hack" the program such that you actually change these options even in the Home version, but you shouldn't complain that it's not very comfortable :)
Title: Re:About Home Edition
Post by: rdsu on July 15, 2004, 09:37:38 PM
Because changing of these options simple isn't supported by the (somehow restricted) Home edition - by design. As you can see, it's possible to "hack" the program such that you actually change these options even in the Home version, but you shouldn't complain that it's not very comfortable :)

OK...  :(
Title: Re:About Home Edition
Post by: bob3160 on July 16, 2004, 12:20:40 AM
Why we cannot choose the files directly from the AV instead of edit a file?

In AntiVir I can choose all the settings that I want...

And how much did you have to pay for it? And how many viruses did it leave behind? I own Norton, Panda and AVG7. I use Avast! It's kept me safe and found quite a few viruses they others didn't.
Please believe me you'll never be sorry with the choice you made. If you want more control and more choises, you could alway purchase the Pro version.
Welcome to the forums. By the way, these helpful forums didn't exist with the other software either.
Have a nice day and again, welcome. :)
Title: Re:About Home Edition
Post by: rdsu on July 16, 2004, 12:33:19 AM
I'm refering to the freeware version of AntiVir!

I like to have a program with a very good configuration...
Title: Re:About Home Edition
Post by: bob3160 on July 16, 2004, 12:44:35 AM
Sorry but I make it a point not to argue.
Title: Re:About Home Edition
Post by: rdsu on July 16, 2004, 12:55:37 AM
I know that the developers of avast! have to have differences between Home Edition and Pro Edition, but for me this is important to choose a program...  ;)
Title: Re:About Home Edition
Post by: bob3160 on July 16, 2004, 01:23:54 AM
Over 5,000 Forums users can't all be wrong.
Title: Re:About Home Edition
Post by: rdsu on July 16, 2004, 01:36:22 AM
Over 5,000 Forums users can't all be wrong.

 :D

If see my first post in this topic you will see that I only make a question, know I'm only saying my point of view!

What is the problem with that!?

I'm not saying that the avast! Home Edition is a bad program, I'm only saying that I prefer the programs that have a better configuration. But if the program is freeware, we can't complain them, are not...  ;)
Title: Re:About Home Edition
Post by: CharleyO on July 16, 2004, 10:15:46 AM


The simple fix is to buy the Pro version of avast! ... if the Home version does not have the settings you would like.    ;)  


Title: Re:About Home Edition
Post by: Lisandro on July 16, 2004, 02:13:00 PM
I'm refering to the freeware version of AntiVir!
I like to have a program with a very good configuration...

Well, are you talking seriously?
AntiVir has so few configurations available... big update files, not automatic, lot of false positives... I use it like a backup (second, non-resident) scanner but avast is much, but much more configurable than AntiVir.
In this particulary case, you're touching the 'differences' between Home and Professional version, never a lack of configuration hability.
Title: Re:About Home Edition
Post by: rdsu on July 16, 2004, 07:01:32 PM
I'm refering to the freeware version of AntiVir!
I like to have a program with a very good configuration...

Well, are you talking seriously?
AntiVir has so few configurations available... big update files, not automatic, lot of false positives... I use it like a backup (second, non-resident) scanner but avast is much, but much more configurable than AntiVir.
In this particulary case, you're touching the 'differences' between Home and Professional version, never a lack of configuration hability.

I'm not saying that AntiVir PE is better than avast! Home, I'm saying that I like to have a program that I can config everything...
Title: Re:About Home Edition
Post by: Lisandro on July 16, 2004, 08:13:20 PM
I'm not saying that AntiVir PE is better than avast! Home, I'm saying that I like to have a program that I can config everything...

Ok, me too  8)
So, you agree that AntiVir only allows this option and avast not.
But avast allow tons of others and not AntiVir.

But, of course, in every system or program will be un-configurable things, un-tweakable...
Title: Re:About Home Edition
Post by: bob3160 on July 16, 2004, 11:18:08 PM
VaMPiRiC_CRoW
A simple annalogy:
You to Avast>  I want what I want when I want it.

Avast to you>  You'll get what you want when I've got it!!

That about sums it up. :)