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Title: Opera/Mozilla
Post by: lee16 on July 07, 2004, 06:11:05 PM
hi,
i have only ever used IE and have heared that there are some alternitives that are "safer" such as Opera/Mozilla.

so,

1) Is it "safer" to  change from IE to another browser?

2) If i did change would i still be able to use Windows update?

3) Where can i get these other browsers from

4) Is there anything else i need to no on this subject.

--lee
Title: Re:Opera/Mozilla
Post by: .: Mac :. on July 07, 2004, 06:20:50 PM
1) yes
2) yes
3) www.mozilla.org  or  www.opera.com
4) not that I know of
Title: Re:Opera/Mozilla
Post by: fhn on July 07, 2004, 06:25:40 PM
Download the Zip version of Firefox 0.9.  Extract FF and click on the FF icon.  This will automatically launch FF.  No need to install the FF program.  To remove the program, just delete the Firefox-win32.0.9 folder.  Also search the hard drive for the Mozilla and Talkback folders and delete them.

http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/releases/

F.
Title: Re:Opera/Mozilla
Post by: Hawk on July 07, 2004, 06:29:10 PM
Quote
2) If i did change would i still be able to use Windows update?

Windows update only works with IE...  :'(
Title: Re:Opera/Mozilla
Post by: lee16 on July 07, 2004, 06:47:50 PM
Ok MacLover2000 has told me i can use windows update if i change my browser and Hawk has told me it only works with IE, are u sure?

Another thing i forgot to ask, does Opera/Mozilla have its own update system like IE?

--lee
Title: Re:Opera/Mozilla
Post by: Eddy on July 07, 2004, 06:54:25 PM
Both are right about the windows update. ;D

To update from the website (http://windowsupdate.microsoft.com) you need a browser with ActiveX, currently that is only IE as far as I know.

But windows has a build in update option. That one can always be used if you don't want/need to do it from the website.   ;)
Title: Re:Opera/Mozilla
Post by: lee16 on July 07, 2004, 07:00:23 PM
Ok thanks for that

I have downloaded Firefox now, and i went to tools, options, advanced and click update and it said there was no updatets, so i decided to explore the browser more, so i went to tools, extensions then clicked update, then it said it encountered a problem, so i clicked details and in the error box it said- "DOM inspecter", should i be worryed at this?
Title: Re:Opera/Mozilla
Post by: fhn on July 07, 2004, 08:01:04 PM
It's the default installation for FF.  Perfectly normal.  It is also possible to add extensions like mouse gesture to FF.    Just click on Get More Extensions.

F.
Title: Re:Opera/Mozilla
Post by: lee16 on July 07, 2004, 08:21:12 PM
Wow yea thanks for that, i have added loads of extensions now, this is way different from IE, thanks for the help guys.

--lee
Title: Re:Opera/Mozilla
Post by: teedoff087 on July 08, 2004, 12:52:08 AM
Both are right about the windows update. ;D

To update from the website (http://windowsupdate.microsoft.com) you need a browser with ActiveX, currently that is only IE as far as I know.

But windows has a build in update option. That one can always be used if you don't want/need to do it from the website.   ;)
You really can't use Windows Update with activex controls in any other browser but Internet Explorer. No other browser will be allowed to use it. You could install an activex control into Firefox and it still wouldn't work because they are coded differently and Microsoft made it this way so they can attempt to take over the world. That's just the way Microsoft is. You can't even use Office Update in any other browser. You are right about the automatic updates though. You can also download them directly from the windows website with other browsers. The only advantage to Windows Update is that you can scan when you want to. If you want to use something to check for updates without using IE or Automatic Updates, try Microsoft Baseline Security Analyzer (http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/tools/mbsahome.mspx). I know, sounds like a technical name, but it works well.
Title: Re:Opera/Mozilla
Post by: Lisandro on July 08, 2004, 01:06:51 AM
Lee, at least, look the 'best' posts in this thread:
http://forum.avast.com/index.php?board=9;action=display;threadid=5695

You can search the board or look the threads titles and see that in last week there are some other interesting discussions about browsers, IE, etc. here.
Title: Re:Opera/Mozilla
Post by: dadkins_1 on July 08, 2004, 03:17:44 AM
If you must use a different browser, use Mozilla. Firefox is still BETA. Only use BETA Software if you don't mind problems/losing your important data. I plan on trying Firefox once it is out of BETA....not before. YMMV  ;)
Title: Re:Opera/Mozilla
Post by: BlitzenZeus on July 08, 2004, 03:50:22 AM
Firefox is quite stable, and not using the software since it is beta is just an excuse.  I've used less stable final release software than earlier versions of Firefox 8)

I test beta software in my spare time, I've seen some beta software that was released as full version I wouldn't touch with a 10' pole.... aka Kerio 4x! ;D
Title: Re:Opera/Mozilla
Post by: Max M.Wachtel III on July 08, 2004, 04:02:35 AM
Hi-
I use firefox for everything except MS sites and when I want to scan with a online scanner that uses ActiveX
like"house call".
(the MS beta newsgroup doesn't work right with firefox)
Have you tried the RSS Reader yet?I love it!
-max
Title: Re:Opera/Mozilla
Post by: .: Mac :. on July 08, 2004, 10:22:31 PM
Quote
Have you tried the RSS Reader yet?I love it!
Jobbs said OS X Tiger will have Safari RSS. allowing it to view RSS feeds. I had never heard of RSS before that so will someone kindly tell me what RSS is? Jobs demoed the browser but never said exactly what RSS is.
Title: Re:Opera/Mozilla
Post by: Max M.Wachtel III on July 09, 2004, 01:03:09 AM
Hey Mac-
Really Simple Syndacation
If you see little orange boxes on sites that say RSS it is a
link.
RSS lets me see headline and description of story.With firefox it is displayed in sidebar like favorites.
site is listed and news headlines under it.
-max
Title: Re:Opera/Mozilla
Post by: .: Mac :. on July 09, 2004, 01:07:39 AM
oh ok.
Title: Re:Opera/Mozilla
Post by: Max M.Wachtel III on July 09, 2004, 02:05:29 AM
Well here is my first try at capturing desktop and posting it
Firefox /w RSS Reader
-max
Title: Re:Opera/Mozilla
Post by: .: Mac :. on July 09, 2004, 02:50:08 AM
thanks for the screenshot. that makes  it clearer
Title: Re:Opera/Mozilla
Post by: bob3160 on July 09, 2004, 11:55:59 PM
Hopefully all of you read the following post:
http://forum.avast.com/index.php?board=1;action=display;threadid=5841 (http://forum.avast.com/index.php?board=1;action=display;threadid=5841)