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Title: Mozilla products security threats and new versions
Post by: chameleon on July 09, 2004, 02:05:41 PM
Hi all,

I've been away from the computer for a couple of days, so I don't know if a thread has been started on this, but I had a quick look and can't find one.

The actual issue is a dash beyond my understanding, but I'll put the information here and you can make up your own mind.

threat details:

http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1621463,00.asp

new versions and threat details:

http://www.mozilla.org/security/shell.html

For further explication, I guess visit the mozilla forums.

I won't be installing the patch or update until I see how others fare with them.

Cheers!
Title: Re:Mozilla products security threats and new versions
Post by: CharleyO on July 09, 2004, 08:07:46 PM
Though I do not use Mozilla, I saw this and thought of my friends here who do use it. Check this link below for more information :  

http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1105_2-5262676.html

It seems you are most at risk if you are using Windows XP OS.    :(  


Title: Re:Mozilla products security threats and new versions
Post by: .: Mac :. on July 09, 2004, 10:19:47 PM
Updated Mozilla to 1.7.1 no problems
Title: Re:Mozilla products security threats and new versions
Post by: bob3160 on July 09, 2004, 11:43:48 PM
All this does is prove the point that if you surf the net, there is always a possibility of an attack. Even if you don't use IE...
Title: Re:Mozilla products security threats and new versions
Post by: Max M.Wachtel III on July 10, 2004, 12:01:09 AM
Hey-
Firefox update 9.2+ Thunderbird  7.2
Make sure you are running the latest builds.
Kids with too much time on their hands is the biggest problem besides sloppy codeing.
-max
Title: Re:Mozilla products security threats and new versions
Post by: S.Z.Craftec on July 10, 2004, 12:50:25 AM
And someone in these forums said: "IE - yuck !!! Security issues, so many updates..."

Same thing's gonna happen to Mozilla, just wait... wheter we like it or not, most people still uses IE, and that is great target for hackers... when everybody switch to Mozilla/Firebird, it will be the same...
Title: Re:Mozilla products security threats and new versions
Post by: bob3160 on July 10, 2004, 01:48:05 AM
Sasha,
Then it'll be out turn to say I told you so.... I wish there was a better way. But, until you find a way to change human nature, sombody will always get their kicks out of making others miserable.
Title: Re:Mozilla products security threats and new versions
Post by: Beaky on July 10, 2004, 08:15:32 AM
Thanks for the information Chameleon,  I hadn't  seen anything about the Mozilla patch before reading your post.

I suppose I have been guilty of being too complacent about the virtues of Firefox security compared with IE and therefore not looking for any issues ...... should have known better!

Title: Re:Mozilla products security threats and new versions
Post by: rloschmann on July 10, 2004, 02:04:41 PM
And someone in these forums said: "IE - yuck !!! Security issues, so many updates..."

Same thing's gonna happen to Mozilla, just wait... wheter we like it or not, most people still uses IE, and that is great target for hackers... when everybody switch to Mozilla/Firebird, it will be the same...

The only thing Sasha, is that this security issue is related to windows and not Mozilla. ie Mozilla haven't got this security issue on linux or Mac. Again Bill gates is the origin of this   >:(
Title: Re:Mozilla products security threats and new versions
Post by: chameleon on July 10, 2004, 02:15:21 PM
Has anyone updated to the .2 versions of Thunderbird and Firefox as yet? Was it successful and easy to install?
Title: Re:Mozilla products security threats and new versions
Post by: S.Z.Craftec on July 10, 2004, 03:37:36 PM
Le Doc wrote:
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The only thing Sasha, is that this security issue is related to windows and not Mozilla. ie Mozilla haven't got this security issue on linux or Mac. Again Bill gates is the origin of this

No matter, it doesn't take of their responsibility... I didn't code Mozilla, they did it... so they let those security holes become visible in Mozilla... I'm sorry 'cause things looks like that, but it is... No one can say that Mozilla is perfect browser... now, that fact is proved.

Chameleon wrote:
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Has anyone updated to the .2 versions of Thunderbird and Firefox as yet? Was it successful and easy to install?

I updated my Mozilla and Thunderbird immediatelly when I saw notifications... Why not ? Those are new versions with fixed security issues... everybody should update in the future as well, as soon as they hear about problem...
Title: Re:Mozilla products security threats and new versions
Post by: cousindave on July 10, 2004, 03:41:00 PM

The only thing Sasha, is that this security issue is related to windows and not Mozilla. ie Mozilla haven't got this security issue on linux or Mac. Again Bill gates is the origin of this   >:(
Excellent point!!!
Title: Re:Mozilla products security threats and new versions
Post by: S.Z.Craftec on July 10, 2004, 04:02:06 PM
Just reread my previous reply... Microsoft made mistake, but you wanna say Mozilla guys are God given ? They didn't coded properly their product, so it means they made mistake too... Common guys, it's over... Mozilla has security issues as well, and it will be more... just wait... don't pretend it will be any different... there is no 100% secure browser and it will never be. Hackers are very, very busy these days...  ;)
Title: Re:Mozilla products security threats and new versions
Post by: chameleon on July 10, 2004, 05:48:29 PM
I have updated to Firefox 0.9.2  and Thunderbird 0.7.2, seemingly with no problems.  :) First ever security hole now fixed!  
Title: Re:Mozilla products security threats and new versions
Post by: bob3160 on July 10, 2004, 05:58:48 PM
chameleon
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First ever security hole now fixed!  
Unfortunately, it will not be the last. This is only the start. As Technical said.. There is no such thing as a perfect browser.
The more popular these browsers become, the more holes will be found and exploited.
Sad but true. :'(
Title: Re:Mozilla products security threats and new versions
Post by: S.Z.Craftec on July 10, 2004, 07:46:52 PM
So, what is that telling you guys ? It tells me that it's pointless to argue which browser is better or more secure. We have to fight against hackers and believe in our browser's developers. Biggest problem is 'cause some developers don't want or don't have enough time to cooperate with their users. That's very wrong, 'cause they developed those programs for users in the first place... they need us, just like we need them. They will overcome all those problems sooner or latter... more security issues, more fixes on the way... it's normal, just like Alwil guys have to fight all the time against all those new viruses and treats... it's endless circle, it will be always like that...

Cheers !
Title: Re:Mozilla products security threats and new versions
Post by: neal62 on July 10, 2004, 08:16:36 PM
First of all my thanks to chameleon for bringing this security issue to the attention of those that it affects. I will probably upgrade to the newer versions of FF and TB when I am at my own home based pc later. As pointed out by many there is no perfect browser, O.S. or for that matter any software program. All we can do is to try to stay ahead of the hackers and their evil intentions with whatever software we are using. But, I must say in lieu of this I feel that I still am safer by using Firefox and Thunderbird programs than if I were back using I.E. and O.E. This of course is just MY opinion. One thing also that is a benefit for users of F.F. and T.B. is that they at least have a forum they can access to ask questions and get answers. As far as I know Microsoft, thence I.E. users do not have that benefit.
Thanks again chameleon ;)
Title: Re:Mozilla products security threats and new versions
Post by: bob3160 on July 10, 2004, 08:27:44 PM
neal62
I think I'm a MS user and there have been many occasions where I've gotten help from MS by using their help. ( No I don't mean the fee paid kind.)
As has already been stated in here many times, be careful, use precautions and try to stay safe. ;D
Title: Re:Mozilla products security threats and new versions
Post by: S.Z.Craftec on July 10, 2004, 08:44:09 PM
Yeah, you just have to search under Microsoft newsgroups in your news cleint... it will find hundreds newsgroups, and there you can ask for help of any kind related to Microsoft products... there is always someone who is ready to help you with problems...

And as I said before, no one ever responded to my questions at Mozilla's forum...  :-\
Title: Re:Mozilla products security threats and new versions
Post by: cousindave on July 10, 2004, 09:01:51 PM
And as I said before, no one ever responded to my questions at Mozilla's forum...  :-\
Sorry you had a bad experience.
I've always found the mozilla forums quite helpful.

Title: Re:Mozilla products security threats and new versions
Post by: S.Z.Craftec on July 10, 2004, 09:14:02 PM
Yeah, I still hope that is the only truth... but, why me ? Why always it has to be me ? I just reported small error with entering text issue in forums like this, and no one seems to have answer on that one... now, I use BBCode extension in Mozilla, and it works good so far, except there is no smilies feature...  :-\

It shouldn't be so big problem for Mozilla guys to fix that little issue. Of cource it's anoying, especially 'cause I spend so much time typing in this forum... when you use IE for this cause, everything is so smooth, without a single glitch... I would like to see Mozilla do that like IE, because my default browser at the moment is Mozilla... so it would be very helpful if someone comes up with solution for that minor, but very anoying and important problem.
Title: Re:Mozilla products security threats and new versions
Post by: Staind on July 10, 2004, 09:30:59 PM
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So, what is that telling you guys ? It tells me that it's pointless to argue which browser is better or more secure. We have to fight against hackers and believe in our browser's developers. Biggest problem is 'cause some developers don't want or don't have enough time to cooperate with their users. That's very wrong, 'cause they developed those programs for users in the first place... they need us, just like we need them. They will overcome all those problems sooner or latter... more security issues, more fixes on the way... it's normal, just like Alwil guys have to fight all the time against all those new viruses and treats... it's endless circle, it will be always like that...

Cheers !
Please, It's not pointless at all.  Mozilla is more secure than Internet Explorer. Saying otherwise is ignorant.  Obviously browsers are bound to have some security hole but this is the first one mozilla has ever really released - how many has Microsoft had and how many are more to come? Don't use this as an example to say that Mozilla is insecure because frankly it's not.  Don't be ignorant.
Title: Re:Mozilla products security threats and new versions
Post by: S.Z.Craftec on July 10, 2004, 09:39:08 PM
This is what I wrote:
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So, what is that telling you guys ? It tells me that it's pointless to argue which browser is better or more secure. We have to fight against hackers and believe in our browser's developers. Biggest problem is 'cause some developers don't want or don't have enough time to cooperate with their users. That's very wrong, 'cause they developed those programs for users in the first place... they need us, just like we need them. They will overcome all those problems sooner or latter... more security issues, more fixes on the way... it's normal, just like Alwil guys have to fight all the time against all those new viruses and treats... it's endless circle, it will be always like that...

And you said it's not pointless to argue... I offered peace in here, and you still wanna continue with that verbal fight between IE fans and every-other browser fans. That's childish.

OK, probably you are one of those agressive ones, who wanna play hard. I am certainly not ignorant, most likely you are...   ;)

First security issue ? Is that making Mozilla any better than IE ? No, it doesn't. IE is much longer in this field than Mozilla, so that's why it's completely understandable and normal that there is much more errors and security holes. No one said IE is perfect, 'cause it's not, but at least they are working on fixing those problems. There is so many IE/Microsoft haters like (I guess) you are. Probably, just jealous 'cause Microsoft (be real) has monopol... nothing else... but, they worked hard in the past to establish that. Why no one else didn't come up with those ideas in the past ? That's why you are defending Mozilla so hard... You're not real, I am... I use both of them and I can tell the diference... and what's most important, I see errors in both of them. Telling that one is full of errors, and other one is great and error free, that's what I call ignorance.

First security hole and you are so happy... common, it makes me laugh... what's that mean "First" ? Do you think it's in the same time last security hole in Mozilla ? Yeah right, they fixed it and that puts Mozilla right on the top... untouchable one... I'm tired of this...

EDIT:
Anyway, you have your opinion, I have mine. I'm not gonna argue anymore, 'cause these forums are not meant to be as browser related issues forums. These forums are for Antivirus/avast! issues... So, I don't wanna waste any space any more with this issue...
Title: Re:Mozilla products security threats and new versions
Post by: Staind on July 10, 2004, 10:25:29 PM
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First security issue ? Is that making Mozilla any better than IE ? No, it doesn't. IE is much longer in this field than Mozilla, so that's why it's completely understandable and normal that there is much more errors and security holes. No one said IE is perfect, 'cause it's not, but at least they are working on fixing those problems.
No, it really doesn't. Because IE has been in the field longer, it should in theory have less - they've had years to work on their browser.  One could argue that people have had years to find security holes, but Mozilla has a netscape background and can be compared to IE.  Netscape has less security holes.  Mozilla, also, has fixed their security holes.  Often it takes microsoft days or weeks to fix their problems after a lot of damage and money has been lost.

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There is so many IE/Microsoft haters like (I guess) you are. Probably, just jealous 'cause Microsoft (be real) has monopol... nothing else... but, they worked hard in the past to establish that.
Please, give me a break.  Why would I care about the success of a company? I'm 17 years old, do you think it matters, to me, whether or not MS has a monopoly or not?

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That's why you are defending Mozilla so hard... You're not real, I am... I use both of them and I can tell the diference... and what's most important, I see errors in both of them. Telling that one is full of errors, and other one is great and error free, that's what I call ignorance.
lol, yes you stop using a product after one security flaw? Better stop using Avast! as it misses some viruses too.

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Anyway, you have your opinion, I have mine. I'm not gonna argue anymore, 'cause these forums are not meant to be as browser related issues forums. These forums are for Antivirus/avast! issues... So, I don't wanna waste any space any more with this issue...
Fine by me, I still think you're an idiot though.

Title: Re:Mozilla products security threats and new versions
Post by: S.Z.Craftec on July 10, 2004, 10:35:59 PM
You will be ignored after this, and only idiot here is you... especially after your post about rebel flag in Canada... so many people laughed at you, and they PMed me.. they don't even want to reply to your stupid posts you little brat...  better go back to school and learn something you haven't learned yet...

Btw, who ever said anything about abandoning any program just because it has some errors... you are reading something that doesn't exist.. paranoid.  ;)
Title: Re:Mozilla products security threats and new versions
Post by: Staind on July 10, 2004, 10:40:27 PM
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You will be ignored after this, and only idiot here is you... especially after your post about rebel flag in Canada... so many people laughed at you, and they PMed me.. they don't even want to reply to your stupid posts you little brat...  better go back yto school and learn something new...
Yes it is such a laughable post.  I am glad I can help bring joy into people's lives.  I'm also glad they PMed you about it instead of addressing me.  What should I learn in school Craftec? How to communicate with idiots who have horrible English and pull stuff from their ass?
Title: Re:Mozilla products security threats and new versions
Post by: S.Z.Craftec on July 10, 2004, 10:45:30 PM
As I said, you are the only idiot in here... My English is maybe bad, but that language is my second language, not my mother language. And you, while you ask, could go back to school and learn how to speak properly your own language, 'cause it's horror.  Let me hear you speak three languages, and then you can say something about my bad English... And also, you could learn some manners, or your precious father could tech you some...I mean, you learned from him how to hate other people... that's what you said...

I always liked the looks of the Confederate flag, also I've seen a few flown here in Canada. My dad and I always wanted to get one.

...and please stop using "idiot" word.. it reminds me of you.  ;)
Title: Re:Mozilla products security threats and new versions
Post by: Pavel Baudis on July 10, 2004, 11:18:50 PM
I firmly ask all involved users:

please stop ALL personal attacks and endless flame wars  ;)

Thanks you for understanding

Pavel
Title: Re:Mozilla products security threats and new versions
Post by: bob3160 on July 10, 2004, 11:40:14 PM
Thanks Pavel,
Very well understood.
Title: Re:Mozilla products security threats and new versions
Post by: Max M.Wachtel III on July 10, 2004, 11:44:27 PM
This forum is a wonderful and friendly place with no room for petty arguements. Respect is what's needed.
(don't they teach that anymore?)
 ::)
-max
Title: Re:Mozilla products security threats and new versions
Post by: S.Z.Craftec on July 10, 2004, 11:50:11 PM
Tell me about that... I posted in here more than 1300 posts and I never saw anyone calls anybody an Idiot... thats' just unbelievable.
Title: Re:Mozilla products security threats and new versions
Post by: bob3160 on July 11, 2004, 12:28:07 AM
Staind
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How to communicate with idiots who have horrible English and pull stuff from their ass?
I intended not to get involved in your petty attacks on one of our senior members so I'll handle this as an outsider just visiting this forum and looking at only this one thread.
I can't understand how some one who has had more than 1350 posts (not counting private e-mail help replies) and some one who speak 3 languages can ever be thought of as an idiot.
Judging People by the quality of their posts, I can only attribute S.Z.Craftec as an extremely intelligent person who cares about his fellow human being.
Your posts on the other hand, have usually been nothing more than snippets trying to entice a fight.
If it's a fight that your looking for, you've come to the wrong place.
You might however find that you'll no longer have any one to fight with on these forums.
Remember, talking to yourself can become very very loney.
Peace and grow up to become a fine caring young man.
Title: Re:Mozilla products security threats and new versions
Post by: KezzerDrix on July 11, 2004, 07:43:30 AM
I am sorry S.Z. but I am speechless.  I am Infuriated and shouldn't speak out right now.  I would suggest that the moderators of this forum consider banning "Staind"

We don't want and dont need what he brings.

Title: Re:Mozilla products security threats and new versions
Post by: Staind on July 11, 2004, 09:26:00 AM
I will address a few issues:

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I always liked the looks of the Confederate flag, also I've seen a few flown here in Canada. My dad and I always wanted to get one.
Hm. I do not know where that says I hate people, or that I'm racist?  Maybe I should clarify this, since I didn't want too before - since it is a bit personal.  The main reason for getting a confederate flag would be to honour and remember 3 of my ancestors who died fighting for what they believed in. Not for the values the flag itself represented, but their memories who died for what they believed and what they did was right - protecting their way of life and what they felt was valuable to them.  Sorry if this offended anyone.
Secondly, please do not mention my father. He has never posted here, and you have no idea how he has impacted my life in any manner.

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Your posts on the other hand, have usually been nothing more than snippets trying to entice a fight.
If it's a fight that your looking for, you've come to the wrong place.
You might however find that you'll no longer have any one to fight with on these forums.
Remember, talking to yourself can become very very loney.
You definitely make good points, and I respect your opinion. But I never entice a fight in the sense of what you mean (or maybe I misunderstand you). I do debate, and argue but never want to personally fight. The only thing I cannot stand is stubborn people (I have to admit I am stubborn myself, which is probably the reason for this) and hence get frustrated after awhile.  Most people would respond to this and just say - then give up who cares? But, it's another flaw in my personality that I can't give things up until they come to closure.

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Remember, talking to yourself can become very very loney.
There are worse fates.

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Peace and grow up to become a fine caring young man.
That is the plan.

Title: Re:Mozilla products security threats and new versions
Post by: KezzerDrix on July 11, 2004, 03:49:00 PM
Well may you enjoy your fate.  I for one will not respond to any more of your threads, and call on the other regulars to ignore you as well, refererencing this thread as reason enough.  Calling people names is childish and immature, I am sure you will have something nasty to say about me as well but I will simply ignore it and you.  Sitting behind your computer calling people names is cowardly.

As far the confederate flag goes, a war was fought over it, the civil war.  People that stood behind that flag, stood for states rights and slavery.  In this day and age it is a symbol that primarly represents hatred and intolerance for minorities.  The KKK has adopted it as their flag of choice.  
Title: Re:Mozilla products security threats and new versions
Post by: bob3160 on July 11, 2004, 04:04:33 PM
Stained
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But I never entice a fight in the sense of what you mean (or maybe I misunderstand you).
There are many ways of fighting and, verbal can sometimes be more abusive then a fist fight. The words you use (or choose) can cause as much pain as if you used your fists. The scars that you create with these verbal abuses last much longer than any physical scars.
Also remember that it only takes one insult or an unkind word to leave a long term impression about the kind of person you are.
So my young friend, choose your words wisely not hastily.
Angry words, spoken in haste, have ended many a relationship. Mine is still in tact after 45 years. I hope one of these days you can say the same. (Remember, a friendship is also a relationship.)
I wish you Peace, long life and happiness.
Bob

P.S.
A personal quote:
"One friend is a gift from God. Many friends is almost like being in Heaven."
If you can remember that and live by it, you will be a very rich person indeed.
Title: Re:Mozilla products security threats and new versions
Post by: cousindave on July 11, 2004, 04:06:57 PM
As far the confederate flag goes, a war was fought over it, the civil war.  People that stood behind that flag, stood for states rights and slavery.  
I beg to differ on this point.
The average Confederate soldier wasn't a slave owner and not everyone who fought with the north was against slavery.
As a Virginian,many of my ancestors fought in the "War of Northern Aggression" ;) none of which ever owned a single slave.
I will agree that the Confederate Flag offends many people and I understand why completely.  
Title: Re:Mozilla products security threats and new versions
Post by: DavidR on July 11, 2004, 04:46:31 PM
I have updated to Firefox 0.9.2  and Thunderbird 0.7.2, seemingly with no problems.  :) First ever security hole now fixed!  

The Firefox 0.9.2 is still in beta, available on the nightly builds and not available on the usual downloads page. The same is true of TB 0.7.2.

Whilst there shouldn't be any problems, people should be aware that it is beta and could cause problems. It may be better to await its release on the downloads page.

Title: Re:Mozilla products security threats and new versions
Post by: bob3160 on July 11, 2004, 04:58:07 PM
DavidR
Remember that this version was issued to patch a security hole. Without the patch, the browser is vulnerable to attack.
Which puts the user between a rock and a hardplace.
 :'(
Title: Re:Mozilla products security threats and new versions
Post by: DavidR on July 11, 2004, 05:17:34 PM
I'm totally aware of that, loading beta software can cause potentially more harm.

The Firefox site 'Nightly Builds' does also warn about beta builds and they haven't put that build on the regular downloads page. So I'm also following their advice.
Title: Re:Mozilla products security threats and new versions
Post by: Staind on July 11, 2004, 07:12:48 PM
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Well may you enjoy your fate.  I for one will not respond to any more of your threads, and call on the other regulars to ignore you as well, refererencing this thread as reason enough.  Calling people names is childish and immature, I am sure you will have something nasty to say about me as well but I will simply ignore it and you.  Sitting behind your computer calling people names is cowardly.
I have not made many threads, if you aren't going to reply to what I say why wouldn't you do so now instead of ignoring what I have written?  

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As far the confederate flag goes, a war was fought over it, the civil war.  People that stood behind that flag, stood for states rights and slavery.  In this day and age it is a symbol that primarly represents hatred and intolerance for minorities.  The KKK has adopted it as their flag of choice.
A flag has many different symbols depending on the person's cultural background. I already apologized if it offended anyone, that should be enough.  It's like saying that some people see the American flag as a representation of liberaty and freedom while others see it as oppression and imperialism.  Two different views coming from a flag. Hey, go figure?

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There are many ways of fighting and, verbal can sometimes be more abusive then a fist fight. The words you use (or choose) can cause as much pain as if you used your fists. The scars that you create with these verbal abuses last much longer than any physical scars.
I would believe that in some instances except in this one. Idiot, is not that bad of a word .... at all.  If anyone thinks it's horrific, I would suggest they not venture outside.  But, I listen to what you say and take heed to your advice.

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Also remember that it only takes one insult or an unkind word to leave a long term impression about the kind of person you are.
I am a horrible person, I thought we established this awhile ago? ;)


Oh, notice: The mozilla security hole, was really just allowing users to run already scripted programs on your computer. They could not add or edit code (I think, if I'm wrong please tell me). So, overall it wasn't that big of a deal.. at all.
Title: Re:Mozilla products security threats and new versions
Post by: Poof on July 11, 2004, 08:00:48 PM
I have been reading these forums for a long time now, but have never felt the urge to post until now. I have learned a lot from these forums, and I hate for them to fall apart for something so petty as a little argument. Staind made a mistake in calling a revered member an 'idiot', and he has tried to make amends. He has helped a bunch of people, and he obviously just wants to contribute to the forum. The whole flag scenario was a simple mixup, and staind has explained himself properly. He deserves another chance IMO. Thank you, and please continue the good work on this great forum!
Title: Re:Mozilla products security threats and new versions
Post by: bob3160 on July 11, 2004, 08:37:55 PM
Poof
Welcome to the forums. I'm sorry you had to pick this one thread to judge thing by.
Unfortunetly, this isn't the only thread or forum on which we have run into the same problem.
 :'(
Title: Re:Mozilla products security threats and new versions
Post by: neal62 on July 11, 2004, 09:54:19 PM
I just wanted to comment on something that this thread was originally talking about and that is the security issue with Firefox etc. I have chosen to not upgrade firefox or thunderbird but instead I went and downloaded the security patches that they offered with no problems what-so-ever. I did as instructed, checked to make sure that the patches were working as instructed. Just wanted to let anyone know whom might be considering using the patches to fix the security problems instead of downloading the complete new versions of Firefox and/or Thunderbird. As to the other issues mentioned here no comment from me is forthcoming. This information is to reply to the question posed originally in the first post here from chameleon. HTH chemeleon :)
Title: Re:Mozilla products security threats and new versions
Post by: bob3160 on July 11, 2004, 10:00:08 PM
Hi neal62'
I'm glad to see your face is still smiling and your chin is still up.
Title: Re:Mozilla products security threats and new versions
Post by: neal62 on July 11, 2004, 10:03:17 PM
Bob,

Hello to you. Yes its still up and going strong here at work. Not a problem for me. Take care and good to hear from you. Talk later. :D
Title: Re:Mozilla products security threats and new versions
Post by: Staind on July 11, 2004, 10:49:18 PM
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Let me hear you speak three languages, and then you can say something about my bad English...
I can speak English.
Je peux parler en francais tres bien, mais je douche parce que je suis sale. (no clue how to do accents on the internet though).
Um, I can type limited korean -> bang man dul da (means make game please). or an nyung (hello).
Title: Re:Mozilla products security threats and new versions
Post by: Max M.Wachtel III on July 11, 2004, 11:19:44 PM
Stand-
vous êtes un étudiant excelent, le séjour qui manière
-max
Title: Re:Mozilla products security threats and new versions
Post by: Staind on July 11, 2004, 11:51:10 PM
Stand-
vous êtes un étudiant excelent, le séjour qui manière
-max
Merci beaucoup, mais je ne prend pas "le sejour qui maniere" est un idiome(I admit I had to translate that word:P), n'est-ce pas?  Peut-etre vous pouvez expliquer.  Something about a vacation or holiday? Take a holiday from here? Oh, maybe you mean how is summer vacation?
Title: Re:Mozilla products security threats and new versions
Post by: Max M.Wachtel III on July 12, 2004, 12:13:47 AM
Translation:
You are a excellent student,stay that way
-max
Title: Re:Mozilla products security threats and new versions
Post by: Staind on July 12, 2004, 12:33:08 AM
Translation:
You are a excellent student,stay that way
-max
Je le prend. ;) Eh, I forget how to past tense.  Are you from France yourself or just a student of french?
Title: Re:Mozilla products security threats and new versions
Post by: Max M.Wachtel III on July 12, 2004, 12:53:12 AM
I live in  Ohio USA.
I am from a multi-cultural family where many lang. were used in combo with english-lol
My father spoke german,hebrew,and yiddish
grampa also spoke russian
Italian was most on mom's side but there were some  that were french.
 I do not speak them very well and haven't used any recently so I am out of pratice but with a translator at my fingertips I find that looking it up is easy.
-max
Title: Re:Mozilla products security threats and new versions
Post by: Staind on July 12, 2004, 12:59:38 AM
Oh cool.  Nice talking to you. :)
Title: Re:Mozilla products security threats and new versions
Post by: KezzerDrix on July 12, 2004, 04:23:30 PM
As far the confederate flag goes, a war was fought over it, the civil war.  People that stood behind that flag, stood for states rights and slavery.  
I beg to differ on this point.
The average Confederate soldier wasn't a slave owner and not everyone who fought with the north was against slavery.
As a Virginian,many of my ancestors fought in the "War of Northern Aggression" ;) none of which ever owned a single slave.
I will agree that the Confederate Flag offends many people and I understand why completely.  

My original post stated

States rights
&
Slavery
= defining points of civil war

True not all northern soldiers were against slavery, alot of people still harbored alot of bigotry, alot of people still do, however, living in Oklahoma I have seen the symbolism that alot of people place upon the confederate flag.  Here, atleast, it seems it has became a symbol of ignorance and bigotry.

Granted this is my take on the subject from what I have seen.  There are no official statistics  ;)
Title: Re:Mozilla products security threats and new versions
Post by: KezzerDrix on July 12, 2004, 04:27:53 PM
I live in  Ohio USA.


Guten tag, und vos ist los?
My folks live in Toledo both are professors at the local university.



Title: Re:Mozilla products security threats and new versions
Post by: bob3160 on July 12, 2004, 08:46:57 PM
KezzerDrix
This is beginning to sound like  the Williamsburgh Section of Brooklyn NY.
I worked there for about 7 years about 20 years ago.
The only thing I can add is:
Sei gesund. :)
Title: Re:Mozilla products security threats and new versions
Post by: .: Mac :. on July 12, 2004, 11:53:29 PM
woah too much non-english language for me here LOL ;)
Title: Re:Mozilla products security threats and new versions
Post by: bob3160 on July 13, 2004, 12:06:15 AM
Sorry Mac
I just said Stay healthy or be well.   That's about all I remember...
Title: Re:Mozilla products security threats and new versions
Post by: .: Mac :. on July 13, 2004, 12:18:42 AM
Sorry Mac
I just said Stay healthy or be well.   That's about all I remember...
oh you know more than I do! :-[
Title: Re:Mozilla products security threats and new versions
Post by: bob3160 on July 13, 2004, 02:36:16 AM
Mac
I guess that makes me a wise-guy.
Title: Re:Mozilla products security threats and new versions
Post by: neal62 on July 13, 2004, 06:19:21 AM
Hmm,

Esto es lo mas fino que dinero puede comprar, y free Avast. Asi es la vida. Es todo, no mas! Via con dios
 ;D
Title: Re:Mozilla products security threats and new versions
Post by: .: Mac :. on July 13, 2004, 06:37:31 AM
Mac
I guess that makes me a wise-guy.
Yes Sir Captin