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Other => General Topics => Topic started by: polonus on April 21, 2010, 08:33:45 PM
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Hi malware fighters,
For results see: https://whatapp.org/
polonus
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Microsoft's Internet Explorer 8 Leads the way in Browser Security as per latest study from NSS Labs
http://www.zawya.com/story.cfm/sidZAWYA20100420083827/Microsoft%27s%20Internet%20Explorer%208%20Leads%20the%20way%20in%20Browser%20Security%20as%20per%20latest%20study%20from%20NSS%20Labs
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Hi malware fighters,
For results see: https://whatapp.org/
polonus
Where ?
I see nothing on that url ?
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Hi DavidR,
Look here: https://whatapp.org/internet-explorer/ with reds
https://whatapp.org/firefox all greens
https://whatapp.org/chrome/ some yellows
Categories are privacy, security and openess
Not good for YoKenny and those that go on defending IE through thick and thin,
alas as whatapp reports,
polonus
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Well I was expecting some sort of report with substantiated evidence rather than this anonymous graphic.
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Hi DavidR,
That how it is with these modern Stanford University survey results. Results were combined from findings by privacy and security experts and users. They ranked IE much lower than Mozilla's Fx, Apple's Safari or GoogleChrome. On a scale of five Fx gets 4 for privacy, whereas Safari and Chrome does not get but a meagre 3. IE scores even lower with a 2 for all three categories. WhatApp was developed by Ryan Callo from Stanford University and on his website all sort of applications and browser-plugins can be discussed and ranked for mentioned issues. I gave it to you just for all it is worth,
polonus
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There are people that have jobs that get paid to do work that feeds them.
Then there are those that figure out how to stop the world ending and I will tell you how in the afternoon on Dec. 21st 2012
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3213449483968654266#
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Well I was expecting some sort of report with substantiated evidence rather than this anonymous graphic.
so was I lol ;D
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Hi Logos,
As it was distilled from users' reports, and you also know that users form the main obstacle to security and privacy online - how could you expect more than this simple graphical image?
You should have known better, my friend.
But an image can tell more about an application than a bunch of experts and users can ;D
polonus
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Hi Logos,
As it was distilled from users' reports, and you also know that users form the main obstacle to security and privacy online - how could you expect more than this simple graphical image?
You should have known better, my friend.
polonus
oh come on, don't give me that "you should..." ::) ;D ...I just clicked on your link, first found nothing and then the simple graphics, that's not very interesting except that it confirms once again what we already know, that IE's the worse piece of software on earth, especially when it comes to online security (yeah, what else ;D )...on the other hand details (not found in your "review") are always welcome to demonstrate how and why IE is unsecure... That doesn't sound like Polonus to post amateur's stuff ;)
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Hi Logos,
If I can find the time for it, I will post about these issues extensively. Just a short simple survey of the main points. One has to touch a subject why NoScript could never be brought as by default to any browser. The opposing vision of browser developers and ad-launchers versus the security aware (recent XSS issue putting IE at risk), The active-X issue (321 issues last year alone for IE)_that is still haunting us as to this day. BHO's that can be a real pain in the neck and could come with spyware attributes. RequestPolicy a way to block browser requests that has never made it to IE, GoogleChrome (a browser that was not even developed further to trim and tweak security and privacy wise, but just to serve as a Google ad-serving and user-tracking apps from the outset), etc. etc. Platform related issues,. like Win98 could not have anything beyond IE6, XP not anything beyond IE8, then you are urged to switch to Win7 (forget about Vista like we did about ME). Did another non-Windows platform ever have these issues, I ask you earnestly? And a lot of general security and safety issues: certification issues that were not resolved. HTML-5 versus Flash that never hit common ground with various browsers. And this litany can go on and on. The web being riddled with sites that will infect through the browser,
polonus
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Hi,
Did another non-Windows platform ever have these issues...
if you're thinking of Linux, the answer is of course no. But (off topic here), no other platform than Windows offer the pallet of functionalities (nothing to demonstrate here, just run the OS's and you'll find out, if you keep your eyes open - this one isn't directed at you Polonus ;) ).
Also, when it comes to security tools, luckily Linux isn't targeted (for the reasons that we know), luckily because Linux devs seem to be completely unable to develop any security tool for they own system (for the desktop). eg firewalls in Linux >>> have fun ;) disk encryption (including system drive) in Linux >>> have fun ;)
This added to the quality of software found in repositories, not much to add. I like Linux very much, but that's limited to the system itself and one desktop. Too bad the rest never followed...
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Hi Logos,
I do not want to be off-topic, but we both are aware of the issues involved that can determine in-browser security or the lack thereof. There are various parties involved to bring about the insecure situation as it is. Developers, ad-launchers, and foremost common browser users. We cannot stress enough that the problem with an insecure browser depends heavily upon the browser-user. Know that 40% of users have NOT updated Fx to the latest version, because they do not think it is necessary, because they fear their add-ons won't work any longer and a couple of other reasons not known to me: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Firefox/DeliveryMeetings/2010-04-21
How many users limit the risk of getting infected by running their browser on an OS with limited user rights, using extensions like NS, RP, ABP+ etc. etc. How many users that came to this forum for the first time ran their OS as it "came out of the box" just "a la default" as you would say. Additionally the software makers state "NO WARANTIES to apllication software", so get educated and make that browser more secure or come here and learn how to do that, and even then some are beyond help, because they do not establish the facts by themselves but take for granted what the general opinion is, and that has been found to be (partly) wrong many many times,
polonus
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the worse of all being done through the "OEM trick" where users think they're protected against viruses and didn't realize they're on a trial version of Norton or McAfee. Oh yeah, but that's just me, I do not run Windows on a limited account and never will. I do not advise to do the same though. Got too many issues, got some apps at startup (just a few but that's enough), that just refuse to start or run properly without an admin account. And UAC is there (I know it can be bypassed by malware). Unfortunately Windows isn't that "limited user account" ready like Linux is.
Again, I think I've said it already, you cannot expect the masses to run "no script". A majority is already lost when the AV update pop up notification comes out, imagine the reactions when a site doesn't display properly because javascript hasn't been allowed yet. Fortunately FF updates automatically, and so does Chrome. ABP is the maximum usable security extension for the masses.
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ABP is the maximum usable security extension for the masses.
Ad Block Plus ??? Afghan Border Patrol ??? American Board of Pediatrics ???
Polonus,
There is no privacy on the internet regardless of the browser used. ;D
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ABP is the maximum usable security extension for the masses.
Ad Block Plus ??? Afghan Border Patrol ??? American Board of Pediatrics ???
you got something to do for the week end now (a riddle ;D)
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There is no privacy on the internet regardless of the browser used. ;D
Not quite true... ;)
https://www.torproject.org/index.html.en
asyn
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:-\ Well, ok, everybody ! I'm guessing one browser is no better than the next.
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:-\ Well, ok, everybody ! I'm guessing one browser is no better than the next.
No. ;)
If you want security/privacy/speed/flexibility use Firefox...!! 8)
asyn
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Chrome 5 has sandboxed environment and so its the best in security, even firefox has been cracked in this year's pawn to own competition,but not chrome..
http://www.webmonkey.com/2010/03/web-browsers-crushed-in-pwn2own-contest/
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Chrome 5 has sandboxed environment and so its the best in security, even firefox has been cracked in this year's pawn to own competition,but not chrome..
http://www.webmonkey.com/2010/03/web-browsers-crushed-in-pwn2own-contest/
What a JOKE ! ;D
Google still mines all your browsing
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it's not a joke ::)
1 Chrome is sandboxed by default
2 every attempt to break Chrome has failed so far
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This thread was about Privacy
So I though he was talking about Privacy
But he was talking about Security instead and I didn't notice it :o
:P
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Hi bob3160,
Are you reacting to Logos? Well, because this is his opinion. I am well aware of the fact that privacy is non-existent on the Internet and they will do anything it will never return because of the gigantic sums of money involved. I have just been analyzing with Fiddler 2.1 what goes on and the trackers won't let go. Install Ghostery add-on for instance, which became a commercialized add-on and they can earn a bit more on your profile. Another thing criminals are robbing left and right from click-fraud through automated clicking botnets and click-farms. They are even more aggressive as spammers because one click can sometimes even bring them 7 fraudulent bucks (that the genuine adfirm is missing),
polonus
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@chris:
use chrome anonymiser to prevent google from looking at ur activities..And browse in incognito mode...even then if ur not satisfied used privoxy software :-\ ::)
http://www.softpedia.com/get/Security/Security-Related/Chrome-Anonymizer.shtml