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Consumer Products => Avast Free Antivirus / Premium Security (legacy Pro Antivirus, Internet Security, Premier) => Topic started by: brhokla on June 22, 2010, 09:33:55 PM
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Hello,
Anybody tried Comodo Internet Security Complete? It has a sandbox, firewall, antivirus and so much more. Just trying to find a comparison as to how well it does vrs Avast Pro? I have used Comodo's Firewall and love it but never the rest. Anybody know anything about their AV products? Thanks
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My..Opin..would not touch Comode with a 300 foot pole!!
thats just me!! ;)
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I will never trust more avast! Internet Security for a Comodo !
Btw dont compare the Pro of avast! vs a internet security that would be a suicide. Compare it to avast! Internet Security.
But still my choice would be avast!. Really nice firewall and no such annoying like the Comodo Firewall. Seriously.
Go avast!. Safe surf and dont get annoyed by those pop ups that Comodo Defense+ give to you.
Mr.Agent
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I just wondered if anybody here has tried it? I mean after all this is a Avast forum so surely most will say use the Avast. I already have Avast Pro but I got Comodo Internet Security and was just trying to see how it compares. I was going to install it on my sons computer. Didn't know the good and the bad, pro, cons....
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This forum is only for Avast! fans.
No doubts of this product allowed!
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This forum is only for Avast! fans.
No doubts of this product allowed!
that's right ::) ..and they love so much competitors' products on other forums ;D
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Logos :)
Shall we report him for spamming ;D
Greetz, Red.
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I used Comodo Internet Security for about a year. It protects you very well but at the price of receiving annoying alerts about the normal actions of every program on your computer. It causes problems getting full screen applications like games to work right. You have to put Comodo into training mode where it allows everything the first time you play the game so the appropriate rules are made to allow the actions of the application. Since they have added the sandbox, the problems with getting games and some other things to work have gotten worse. It automatically sandboxes anything that is "unknown", meaning anything not in Comodo's whitelists of safe things. The whitelist is pitifully small and does not include any game software since Comodo has stated that they will not whitelist games. Not even the hugely popular World of Warcraft and all the Steam offerings. These problems have led me to only use the basic Firewall part of Comodo coupled with Avast! 5 Free.
If you want total protection from everything and can put up with alerts for every action of everything you install that isn't flagged as safe by Comodo, then maybe CIS is for you. The problem for me is that it "protects" you even from things that are known to be safe by most of the civilized world and makes you jump through hoops to make a lot of things work. As far as the company goes, Comodo is well intentioned and honorable. For me , however, all of their offerings are too aggressive and not user friendly at all. Some people, mostly those who want to see every action that everything does and who like tinkering with everything on their system, like Comodo products but they are not for me. The basic Firewall though, without the HIPS and sandbox, works very well as a two way firewall and I would recommend it over things like Zone Alarm and Online Armor or Outpost ( with the HIPS turned off in them too of course)
I have not tried the full AIS suite so I can't comment on it. I have gathered from reading though that the firewall is good and silent and that the sandbox feature is not automatic but on demand. These things lead me to believe that most people would prefer it over Comodo.
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The comparison should be between AIS and CIS.
I'm testing CIS in a virtual environment. Can't comment yet, but seems that Defense+ features aren't, somehow, not present in AIS.
In Comodo forums there are comparisons but, obviously, you will hear the opposite fan wave of here ;)
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It automatically sandboxes anything that is "unknown", meaning anything not in Comodo's whitelists of safe things.
That's the policy.
avast and legacy antivirus are "default allow": if it is not in the blacklist (signature, heuristic, behavior) then allow.
CIS is "default deny": if it is not in the whitelist do not allow. So unknown files can't be executed.
I have not tried the full AIS suite so I can't comment on it. I have gathered from reading though that the firewall is good and silent and that the sandbox feature is not automatic but on demand.
Yeah.
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It automatically sandboxes anything that is "unknown", meaning anything not in Comodo's whitelists of safe things.
That's the policy.
avast and legacy antivirus are "default allow": if it is not in the blacklist (signature, heuristic, behavior) then allow.
CIS is "default deny": if it is not in the whitelist do not allow. So unknown files can't be executed.
I know that is the policy and why it does it that way. I was just trying to point out that you would have to put up with it if you chose Comodo. I have returned to preferring the default allow approach and feel that it is the way to go for the vast majority of computer users. I was just pointing out what the OP would encounter with using CIS.
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Logos :)
Shall we report him for spamming ;D
Greetz, Red.
oh I already did, he must have already landed on Mars by now :)
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Dch48, I was not correcting you, just complement you. We feel the same.
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I already have Avast Pro 5.0 but was given CIS and wondered what peoples thoughts are on the product. I do love the Comodo Firewall though and have yet to find one I like better.
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Oh not again a thread of CIS vs AIS!
Let's sum it up, CIS provides better protection than AIS because it sandboxes all unknown files but this makes it more difficult to use as it tends to sandbox clean files also preventing them from working properly.
Wise people choose the best from both vendors and thus install a combo of Avast Free and Comodo firewall Pro to enjoy a maximum protection for free while fan boys keep arguing over which suite is the best.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_profilepage&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fuser%2Flanguy99%23p%2Fsearch%2F1%2FnPWLlF_bIC8&v=nPWLlF_bIC8
Thanks
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I would try out both on your computer then pick whatever you feel most comfortable with or you can use the firewall from Comodo with the AV from Avast.
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while fan boys keep arguing over which suite is the best.
Fanboys? Where? Well... people have their opinion but this does not make them fanboys...
But indeed, some uses the free of both.
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while fan boys keep arguing over which suite is the best.
Fanboys? Where? Well... people have their opinion but this does not make them fanboys...
But indeed, some uses the free of both.
Yep you are right, each one has his own opinion and this is how it should be. This is why there are different types of security software available to suit the needs of everyone. To me both AIS and CIS are good products.
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Hmm... Let me see now. How to put this most succinctly.
AIS 5 is not perfect but I find its various weaponry intelligently coordinated in such a way as to be highly effective while causing minimal impedence to my computing experience.
CIS 4.1 Premium also has many effective anti-malware weapons... but not much of a brain!
In its contribution to the serenity of your PC use, you will find it is as much an enemy as an ally.
It's also no longer as "light" on resource use as it once was. E.g. in one recent test, AIS increased the time taken to execute Open Office 'swriter.exe' by 47%. CIS increased it by 180%. Of course, that's after you have on previous occasions dismissed a series of Defense+ popup warnings because CIS "Default Deny" policy does not trust the vendor. ::)
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Hmm... Let me see now. How to put this most succinctly.
AIS 5 is not perfect but I find its various weaponry intelligently coordinated in such a way as to be highly effective while causing minimal impedence to my computing experience.
CIS 4.1 Premium also has many effective anti-malware weapons... but not much of a brain!
In its contribution to the serenity of your PC use, you will find it is as much an enemy as an ally.
It's also no longer as "light" on resource use as it once was. E.g. in one recent test, AIS increased the time taken to execute Open Office 'swriter'exe' by 47%. CIS increased it by 180%. Of course, that's after you have on previious occasions dismissed a series of Defense+ popup warnings because CIS "Default Deny" policy does not trust the vendor. ::)
The challenge for Avast is how to improve its proactive defense to prevent users from being infected while for Comodo the challenge is how to have an even bigger white list to enhance its usability.
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I'm using Avast AV v5 + Comodo Internet security FW (Firewall + defense+) and I think it's the best couple for security. They play nice together. I use to have CIS full (because comodo has now better detection rate than avast! ;D) but Comodo's AV was slowing down my pc (browsing the explorer) so i removed the av . On that point, avast is faster and i like it's web shield...
For comodo, if you're not very familiar with pcs, you can leave the sandbox "on" (even if it's not perfect yet) . If you're a geek, then disable the sandbox and your security will be allmost perfect.
hope this helps 8)
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because comodo has now better detection rate than avast! ;D
This is not true!
There are no reliable tests to show that Comodo AV is better than Avast AV.
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eternal question..... but that's my opinion based on several recent (<2 days) virus collected ....
on my last test today , avast caught 181/241 and comodo caught 217/241.... I think that avast is sometimes a bit long to take new virus into account;;; :P
another test not mine) : http://sashland.de/portal/2010/06/12/der-grose-sl-portal-malware-test-2010/#more-5315
Anyway, the detection rate is not the key point anymore in AV or security suites, thats why i stick to avast av + a good firewall (with a hips ans an online in the cloud lookup) like cis FW.
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I think Comodo av has improved a lot in detection of binary files, but is still far behind avast in detections of exploits, which are the most common way of infections at the moment.
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that's why i like avast! webshield ;)
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eternal question..... but that's my opinion based on several recent (<2 days) virus collected ....
on my last test today , avast caught 181/241 and comodo caught 217/241.... I think that avast is sometimes a bit long to take new virus into account;;; :P
another test not mine) : http://sashland.de/portal/2010/06/12/der-grose-sl-portal-malware-test-2010/#more-5315
Anyway, the detection rate is not the key point anymore in AV or security suites, thats why i stick to avast av + a good firewall (with a hips ans an online in the cloud lookup) like cis FW.
The test you linked did not test the AV's by themselves. To my knowledge, there has never been a test done of the Comodo AV by itself and not as part of the Internet Security Suite. Of course Comodo scores higher than Avast in those tests but that doesn't mean that the detection rate was strictly from the AV. From other published tests, it's clear that the majority of malware blocking is done by the HIPS and not by the AV and it's impossible to tell how much the AV has actually contributed. They would have to either install the AV only or test CIS with both the HIPS and the sandbox disabled and I have never seen anyone do either one.
HIPS can be highly effective but it comes at too high a price in usability of my machine to suit me. I want a good AV with good heuristics and behavior checking and just a basic 2 way firewall. I also want to see everything on a web page so I do not block ads, Flash, or Java. I will not let the actions of a collection of pond scum diminish my enjoyment or utilization of my computer. If I do that, they have won. It's like giving in to terrorists.
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These are all great replies and I like some of you has Avast 5 Pro and Comodo Firewall working together. I have used the Sandbox on Comodo but currently have it off. I have not been using the Defense +. I do live the firewall though and besides a couple 3-4 pop ups the first two days about stuff I was running and connecting to the internet it has now been flawless and absolutely Zero pop ups. I guess it learns your system and stuff. All in All, I support Comodo's Firewall. Thanks for the replies.
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The test you linked did not test the AV's by themselves. To my knowledge, there has never been a test done of the Comodo AV by itself and not as part of the Internet Security Suite. Of course Comodo scores higher than Avast in those tests but that doesn't mean that the detection rate was strictly from the AV. From other published tests, it's clear that the majority of malware blocking is done by the HIPS and not by the AV and it's impossible to tell how much the AV has actually contributed. They would have to either install the AV only or test CIS with both the HIPS and the sandbox disabled and I have never seen anyone do either one.
They don't "want" the AV to be tested without the suite.
As avast doesn't "want" the firewall (AIS) to be tested without the antivirus.
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Exactly Tech. I have always said that Comodo's AV would not fare well outside of the suite when measured against other AV's. It does a pretty decent job working within the framework of the entire suite and that's what it was designed for. It's really only there to try to reduce the number of annoying D+ HIPS alerts and also to enhance the marketability of the suite to people who would be put off by there being no AV included. With the way that CIS works, there really might not be a need for any AV product if you are willing to put up with HIPS behavior and have enough knowledge to distinguish the good from the bad on your own when you get an alert.
Personally my favorite for a security suite is still Norton but I'm not willing to pay the $50 a year any more.
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They don't "want" the AV to be tested without the suite.
As avast doesn't "want" the firewall (AIS) to be tested without the antivirus.
And they are right ! A signature based AV is not enough nowadays. Even a hips is not enough anymore and can be abused by trusted signatures, msi installers etc...(some start talking of behavior blocking, IDS and IPS) cf Mamutu, threatfire, appdefend....
:)
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HIPS can be highly effective but it comes at too high a price in usability of my machine to suit me. I want a good AV with good heuristics and behavior checking and just a basic 2 way firewall. I also want to see everything on a web page so I do not block ads, Flash, or Java. I will not let the actions of a collection of pond scum diminish my enjoyment or utilization of my computer. If I do that, they have won. It's like giving in to terrorists.
How right you are! That's the reason why many people prefer behaviour blocking to pure HIPS and also why Avast needs to improve a lot its behaviour shield that is pretty useless right now.
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BB's have their own pros and cons so I would in no way think they are the be all and end all.
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Exactly Tech. I have always said that Comodo's AV would not fare well outside of the suite when measured against other AV's. It does a pretty decent job working within the framework of the entire suite and that's what it was designed for. It's really only there to try to reduce the number of annoying D+ HIPS alerts and also to enhance the marketability of the suite to people who would be put off by there being no AV included. With the way that CIS works, there really might not be a need for any AV product if you are willing to put up with HIPS behavior and have enough knowledge to distinguish the good from the bad on your own when you get an alert.
Personally my favorite for a security suite is still Norton but I'm not willing to pay the $50 a year any more.
I think the AV in CIS is better than you give it credit for. Also, if you like Norton, you can regularly get it between $10-$20 online through eBay, Amazon, newegg, buy.com, Fry's, etc...
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Try to reduce the number of annoying D+ HIPS alerts
They're developing cloud analysis, submitting the files to analysis and building up a whitelist.
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Nothing but problems with Comodo.
In the early days i used the firewall which was very good but as it grew there became more and more problems.
I did ,however,try latest version in part and in whole.Nothing but problems so much so that i had to reformat my hard drive.
Comodo is the biggest load of rubbish i have ever used.
I would advise to stay clear and use Avast Free and the Windows Firewall or another 3rd party firewall of which there are many.Just try each one in turn until you find one that runs perfectly on your computer.
Regards
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Nothing but problems with Comodo.
I think it provides awesome protection, especially for a free product, but it can be annoying with too many popups for safe programs. They need to work on that. In its current state, I will not install it on most peoples computers.
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Pop ups is not the problem.
But when you have to reformat that is.
The whole world is paranoid about anti virus etc,etc,etc
Just find an anti virus and firewall that runs on your computer without any problems and you have the perfect security.
For me the best is Avast Free and the Windows 7 firewall and i have tried everything but this setup is the best.
The problem with Comodo is they are more interested in adding more bells and whistles rather than concentrating on getting the application to run without any problems.
Regards
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Comodo is the biggest load of rubbish i have ever used.
Well, I have a lot of problems also... But I'm troubleshooting them side by side with the developers.
I think it provides awesome protection, especially for a free product, but it can be annoying with too many popups for safe programs. They need to work on that. In its current state, I will not install it on most peoples computers.
They need to improve their whitelist database indeed. Popups is the annoying part of the "deny all" policy. They're developing cloud technology to reduce that.
The whole world is paranoid about anti virus etc,etc,etc
Just find an anti virus and firewall that runs on your computer without any problems and you have the perfect security.
+ safe browsing will do it for most users.
For me the best is Avast Free and the Windows 7 firewall and i have tried everything but this setup is the best.
I've already criticize this.
https://forums.comodo.com/which-product-do-you-want-comodo-to-develop-next/do-it-right-first-do-things-better-few-but-good-ones-t56968.0.html
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How about a comment about me having to reformat my hard drive because Comodo screwed it up or don't you have a answer for that.
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How about a comment about me having to reformat my hard drive because Comodo screwed it up or don't you have a answer for that.
I have heard horror stories about all programs. I think your issue with Comodo Internet Security, that caused you to reformat your hard drive, is fairly isolated. I have not heard of anyone else having such a severe issue.
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How about a comment about me having to reformat my hard drive because Comodo screwed it up or don't you have a answer for that.
very rare case.... never seen it before.... most of the time, you can always start windows in safe mode , uninstall cis and run their cleanup tool... ::)
It's pretty weird to say that cis is rubbish.... but i understand that reformatting a pc is a bad experience...
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How about a comment about me having to reformat my hard drive because Comodo screwed it up or don't you have a answer for that.
very rare case.... never seen it before.... most of the time, you can always start windows in safe mode , uninstall cis and run their cleanup tool... ::)
It's pretty weird to say that cis is rubbish.... but i understand that reformatting a pc is a bad experience...
Agreed. Or use system restore (often works). My PC has gotten screwed up from other programs before, to the point I reinstalled Windows, but never have heard of someone needing to reformat their hard drive.
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I really had to reformat.
I tried everything beforehand,nothing worked.
I first tried Comodo about 4 years ago and thought it was great but since they started to add av,etc,etc i had problems each time there was an update so i based my opinion on that but the last episode was the end of the line.
So my thoughts are based on experience.
I just love Avast, absolutely no problems
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I really had to reformat.
I tried everything beforehand,nothing worked.
I first tried Comodo about 4 years ago and thought it was great but since they started to add av,etc,etc i had problems each time there was an update so i based my opinion on that but the last episode was the end of the line.
So my thoughts are based on experience.
I just love Avast, absolutely no problems
All the av companies have problem, if you don't belive read avast forum and others and you will see. You only had bad luck.
Just like Tech had some problems with CTM in the last version I have used and I never saw an issue.
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Just like Tech had some problems with CTM in the last version I have used and I never saw an issue.
Yeah... That was bad...
But I'm using the Beta of CTM as it is working very good. No "serious" problems.
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Just like Tech had some problems with CTM in the last version I have used and I never saw an issue.
Yeah... That was bad...
But I'm using the Beta of CTM as it is working very good. No "serious" problems.
@ Tech
Perhaps it isn't working as well as you might think if it is related to the problems you are seeing in the pre-release build of AIS. Running two beta builds that are at the heart of your system could well cause issues.
Perhaps you should remove CTM and reinstall AIS.
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or returnil labs 2011 (another beta but great stability and multipartitions protection !!)
http://www.returnilvirtualsystem.com/returnil-labs
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Perhaps it isn't working as well as you might think if it is related to the problems you are seeing in the pre-release build of AIS. Running two beta builds that are at the heart of your system could well cause issues.
No, it works at driver level, before avast drivers are loaded. It was working perfectly with 5.0.545 stable version.
I have 5 betas right now ;D
Perhaps you should remove CTM and reinstall AIS.
No, I won't do that. I wish avast team help troubleshooting this and not start bashing other software.
I bet on network applications instead: maybe K9, maybe Mozy... But if avast does not even generate a log!
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Nothing but problems with Comodo.
In the early days i used the firewall which was very good but as it grew there became more and more problems.
I did ,however,try latest version in part and in whole.Nothing but problems so much so that i had to reformat my hard drive.
Comodo is the biggest load of rubbish i have ever used.
I would advise to stay clear and use Avast Free and the Windows Firewall or another 3rd party firewall of which there are many.Just try each one in turn until you find one that runs perfectly on your computer.
Regards
I am currently using only the basic Firewall part of CIS 4.1 without the HIPS or sandboxing and it works very well as a basic 2 way firewall. I think it's much better than the XP firewall which is only one way. I tried PCTools, Outpost, Online Armor, and Zone Alarm and had problems with all of them in conjunction with Avast!. Online Armor actually caused me to lose control of my hard drive. I had to redo the security settings of the drive because there were no entries for System or Administrators there any more. I was unable to use system restore or even set a page file and all I did before it happened was disable the HIPS part of OA. I booted up and it said I had no page file and I could not set one up. Then I discovered the problem with the security settings for the drive after about an hour of frantically Googling for a solution. The other firewalls had lockup problems if Avast! was running when I accessed various files for the first time. The only application that has not given me any problems alongside Avast! is Comodo.
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We're working together and seems that pk assumptions will solve the problem.
I'd like to ask you if you can pack & send me all asw*.sys files from \Windows\System32\drivers folder. It might seem, 584 setup didn't update all drivers, thanks a lot!
Seems problems are in avast beta and network drivers.
I can reproduce the problem with easy.
I have troubles when I change the network, i.e., go from one wifi network to another.
avast service drops… I stay without protection and without connection until next boot.
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I've used Comodo before. I can't put up with all of their pop-ups, and an auto-sandbox that sandboxes everything. I want a silent, yet effective firewall, and an on-demand sandbox. I prefer avast ^-^
But you should try it out yourself to see if you like it. Also, here are some reviews:
- Comodo (http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2363260,00.asp)
- avast! (http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2358469,00.asp)
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Well, there are already quite a lot of opinions here.
So, after waiting for some time, I throw my statement in the ring... ;)
I use the best of both (not the suites, as you may have guessed) and more.
A little bit of avast, a little bit of comodo and a little bit of 3rd party programs, like e.g. sandboxie...
asyn
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Crikey it seem most people still don't understand how to drive a car like using Comodo Firewall Free v4.1.******.920, look at me I'm running very smooth as a baby bum ;D using Proactive Security Mode along with Firewall/Defense+/Sandbox all three protection along with Avast Anti-virus Free and everything else.
I haven't had a full bucket loads of pop-up warning problem with latest Comodo version, when I got change over from v3.14 to the latest version I only had a few pop-up warning message, I had a minor bug problem using my old profile configuration settings to activate with the latest security platform I have all my old profile settings working along with my software and games everything and not a single pop-up problem for a month ;D.
Asyn trust me ;) you won't have a problem buddy ;D you'll have yours running very smooth believe me ;D ;D ;D ;D
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September..! ;) (sorry, that's an insider)
asyn
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September..! ;) (sorry, that's an insider)
asyn
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first off im testing cis as well. i do agree 100% avast needs a overall better behaviour blocker for sure. otherwise i love the suite, there is a small bit of slowdown when downloading i see compared to others. i do like some things about comodo though. but overall i removed it due to it just causing my system to feel like it was dragging compared to ais5. bootup was slower file moving was slower BUT downloads were full speed as well as browsing. and i know this is because cis has no web shield which i have a love hate thing for. i hate the slowdown but i love the protection BEFORE things hit the system or even get onto the hard drive at all. with many like cis and even norton nis 2010 (to be honest still my fav suite overall but WAY to sensitive about things at times) they do let things download to the drive and then they get detected once you try to open them. i know this is okay but with the web shield they done even down load at all usually..