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Title: avast! Free with IOBIT Security
Post by: Yanto.Chiang on July 12, 2010, 06:48:22 AM
Dear All,

Does anybody in here ever try avast! run with IOBIT Security?

Because one of my friend try to running avast! free with iobit, and nothing problem was found till recently.

cheers,
Title: Re: avast! Free with IOBIT Security
Post by: YoKenny on July 12, 2010, 01:03:10 PM
See Pondus's response:

http://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=53033.msg449591#msg449591
Title: Re: avast! Free with IOBIT Security
Post by: Lisandro on July 12, 2010, 01:49:14 PM
Run away from iObit products...!
Title: Re: avast! Free with IOBIT Security
Post by: DavidR on July 12, 2010, 04:07:06 PM
Absolutely not, aside from the obvious not running two resident AVs, it is only time before you get bit in the ass.

You also have to trust whatever security application/company you use and ethics/morals have to feature high on that list and iobit seem to have a chequered past in this regard.
Title: Re: avast! Free with IOBIT Security
Post by: ziucqea on July 15, 2010, 12:59:59 PM
Which IOBit Software? I run iOBit System Care Pro toghther with Avast!5.0 Free, no problem so far~
Title: Re: avast! Free with IOBIT Security
Post by: Lisandro on July 15, 2010, 01:24:09 PM
ziucqea

Run away from iObit products...!

We can't trust in such company anymore: stole from Malwarebytes than from TuneUp...
Title: Re: avast! Free with IOBIT Security
Post by: -Genesis- on July 15, 2010, 02:55:11 PM
If not forgotten IOBIT came from Chinese people. ;)

They get updates from MBAM detection and put it to their Product.

Sadly im a chinese also. 8)
Title: Re: avast! Free with IOBIT Security
Post by: ziucqea on July 15, 2010, 03:20:45 PM
Well, not all IOBit Products are evil, guilty and unreliable... Anyway, SmartDefrag is fairly good
And 'Chinese'... It's not the point, I've never seen a single user of IOBit among my domestic friends (in mainland China), no need to be 'sad', serious.
PS: MBAM is not so fantastic as what has been described in hosts of posts. In China, I don't think it is able to detect 50% viruses on circulation. In accordance with a test (informal), even one month later, the detection rate of MBAM is as low as 58%, compared with avst! 97% and ESET, Avira,Panda, Kaspersky , etc., whose detection rates are all over 93%. (Viruses based on a list collected among a whole month)
It hasn't marched into China, well, this might be one of the reasons. But even before Avira marched into china, its detection rate was the highest among all AVs (heaps of false positives, though), hence the only thing to blame seems to be its technology.
 
Title: Re: avast! Free with IOBIT Security
Post by: Lisandro on July 15, 2010, 03:27:38 PM
If not forgotten IOBIT came from Chinese people. ;)
What's the problem with the Chinese?

Well, not all IOBit Products are evil, guilty and unreliable... Anyway, SmartDefrag is fairly good
It's a matter of trust... We lost it.
Auslogic Defrag is doing a better job.

hence the only thing to blame seems to be its technology.
Which one?
Title: Re: avast! Free with IOBIT Security
Post by: ziucqea on July 15, 2010, 03:38:15 PM
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Auslogic Defrag is doing a better job.
In term of..?
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Which one?
MBAM
Title: Re: avast! Free with IOBIT Security
Post by: -Genesis- on July 15, 2010, 03:40:40 PM
Edit...

Peace!
Title: Re: avast! Free with IOBIT Security
Post by: ziucqea on July 15, 2010, 04:35:44 PM
Edit...

Peace!
Anyhow,I deem it necessary to clarify some adherent misleadings. With a polulation of nearly 1,500,000,000 (estimated by Chinese public) whose level of education is getting higher and higher, what are you expecting? 'Many of the ** are chinese', it make no sense.
And 'Piracy'. Is it because the Chinese grudge paying for them (for example, AVs)? Not necessarily. Did you know that only one single extra service provided by Tencent (the company running QQ, an IM in China) would consume 30 yuan a month? (Compared with Norton Internet Security, which could be bought at a price of 125 for two years' service, and Bitdefender, which used to be at a price of  69 yuan for three years' services when on sale) While Tencent has incented eight extra value-added services for QQ (what are they? well, for example,you can make your QQ Zone, something like Facebook, extremely charming, beautiful, fascinating). You can Google for more information if you want.
Most of the software companies are diplucating the operation modes exercised in their own countries to their China market while expecting to see them run well, which is a ridiculous fantacy.
Title: Re: avast! Free with IOBIT Security
Post by: Pondus on July 15, 2010, 05:12:36 PM
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even one month later, the detection rate of MBAM is as low as 58%, compared with avst! 97% and ESET, Avira,Panda, Kaspersky , etc., whose detection rates are all over 93%
You can not compare the detection rate of MBAM with AV programs.
MBAM is a specialized tool, with about 250 000 definitions. they concentrate on frech Trojan like malware.
avast is close to 3 000 000 in definitions
They block bad websites (IP block) but they do not scan for HTML / java script inf like AV programs do
They also remove detection when they see that the bug is not a problem for AV programs.....
Title: Re: avast! Free with IOBIT Security
Post by: YoKenny on July 15, 2010, 10:48:57 PM
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even one month later, the detection rate of MBAM is as low as 58%, compared with avst! 97% and ESET, Avira,Panda, Kaspersky , etc., whose detection rates are all over 93%
You can not compare the detection rate of MBAM with AV programs.
MBAM is a specialized tool, with about 250 000 definitions. they concentrate on frech Trojan like malware.
avast is close to 3 000 000 in definitions
They block bad websites (IP block) but they do not scan for HTML / java script inf like AV programs do
They also remove detection when they see that the bug is not a problem for AV programs.....
Arguing with a youngster like ziucqea is like aguing with a big mountain that refuses to move at your command ::)

Posting in blue exposes his newness ;)

Maybe he knows everything and will take over the world soon ;D
Title: Re: avast! Free with IOBIT Security
Post by: Rednose on July 15, 2010, 11:35:55 PM
IOBIT are thieves :(

They not only stole technology and signatures from MBAM, but probably from other companies as well ( according to Marcin ) :-\

Greetz, Red.
Title: Re: avast! Free with IOBIT Security
Post by: superhumanbean on July 16, 2010, 12:32:36 AM
Arguing with a youngster like ziucqea is like aguing with a big mountain that refuses to move at your command ::)

Posting in blue exposes his newness ;)

Maybe he knows everything and will take over the world soon ;D

C'mon YoKenny, there's no need to be attacking other users ;)
And so what if he posts in blue?
Title: Re: avast! Free with IOBIT Security
Post by: Lisandro on July 16, 2010, 03:05:06 AM
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Auslogic Defrag is doing a better job.
In term of..?
Doing the same job and the company does not steal intellectual property and work...
It's just my personal perception and (no) trust in the company.

Title: Re: avast! Free with IOBIT Security
Post by: Dch48 on July 16, 2010, 03:18:44 AM
I don't trust IoBit either. I tried SmartDefrag for a while and found it's optimization routines to be anything but smart. It scattered my files all over my hard drive and left huge gaps of empty space between them. Even the XP defrag tool did better than that. Auslogics on the other hand is lightning fast and does an excellent job of compacting the files and eliminating those empty space gaps. Then you have the known incidents of pirating other vendors' software and that's enough for me to stay away.

(Whether they're Chinese or European or American or even Klingon is totally irrelevant)
Title: Re: avast! Free with IOBIT Security
Post by: superhumanbean on July 16, 2010, 04:22:11 AM
(Whether they're Chinese or European or American or even Klingon is totally irrelevant)

+1
Title: Re: avast! Free with IOBIT Security
Post by: ziucqea on July 16, 2010, 10:18:10 AM
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even one month later, the detection rate of MBAM is as low as 58%, compared with avst! 97% and ESET, Avira,Panda, Kaspersky , etc., whose detection rates are all over 93%
You can not compare the detection rate of MBAM with AV programs.
MBAM is a specialized tool, with about 250 000 definitions. they concentrate on frech Trojan like malware.
avast is close to 3 000 000 in definitions
They block bad websites (IP block) but they do not scan for HTML / java script inf like AV programs do
They also remove detection when they see that the bug is not a problem for AV programs.....
BitDefender got over 6,000,000, so what?
I'm not saying MBAM is not good (although I do think so, at least in China). Also, I wonder what the Chinese version of MBAM is for. Translating it into a language which would not be used by over 100 pelple? The only community to use it should be the testers.
Title: Re: avast! Free with IOBIT Security
Post by: ziucqea on July 16, 2010, 10:23:32 AM
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Posting in blue exposes his newnes
Oh, no, it's only used to show my preference and personality. You're thinking of tooooo much.
Also, I can't understand what you mean. Should there be anything wrong or inaccurate, point it out instead of posting hosts of balderdash
Title: Re: avast! Free with IOBIT Security
Post by: Dch48 on July 16, 2010, 10:51:12 AM
I also think that MBAM is an amazing piece of software. It is not intended to be used in place of an AV it is a complement and a back up to your AV software. It's main benefit is that it is far better at removing malware that has somehow worked it's way into your system than all of the AV's that I know of. As was said here earlier, it doesn't detect a lot of older in the wild things because all of the AV's should be detecting and blocking them.
Title: Re: avast! Free with IOBIT Security
Post by: ziucqea on July 16, 2010, 01:22:12 PM
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As was said here earlier, it doesn't detect a lot of older in the wild things because all of the AV's should be detecting and blocking them.
No no no, it is not the point. As I said, all the samples were collected among one month. That is, the 'oldest' was only 30 days old, is it considered to be too old?
What I meant is, it is not at all effective in China, yet it got its Chinese version...
If you want, I can send you a list of viruses personally and you could see how tragic the detection rate of MBAM could be. And also Avast!. Usually, it takes (at least) three days for avast! to pick up all the viruses missed by its first scan.
Title: Re: avast! Free with IOBIT Security
Post by: Silviu C. on July 16, 2010, 01:48:39 PM
Any antivirus/antimalware tool is going to be good or bad depending on the type of malware in the wild in the places where people use it. If , for example, chinese people use other products, those are going to be better at dealing with stuff than the ones europeans/americans might use since Rising may get more samples than Avast. Any product like this will only get better if the community grows so more and more samples are submitted. Of course, being able to submit samples also means helping you AV products with a behavior analyser/blocker or a HIPS product which are designed to contain 0-day threats.
Title: Re: avast! Free with IOBIT Security
Post by: ziucqea on July 16, 2010, 02:43:58 PM
Yeah, that's it...
But one thing to note: most Chinese use Qihoo 360 (which got two engines: that of Bitdefender and database,and its own cloud-based engine and cloud-based virus definitions), not Rising... Also, it's completely free...
It seems that Rising got perfect Pbulic Relation officials...
Title: Re: avast! Free with IOBIT Security
Post by: Silviu C. on July 16, 2010, 03:02:29 PM
I just used "Rising" as a placeholder, as it was the only chinese AV product that I knew of.

As a side note and possible followup to what I stated before, this is the way Bitdefender rose up. Initially dealing with "in the wild" threats that affected Romanian companies/users and then marketing itself to other european countries (Spain comes to mind) and after that licensing their engine heavily. The fact that Microsoft bought GeCAD's RAV product helped too ;)
Title: Re: avast! Free with IOBIT Security
Post by: Dch48 on July 16, 2010, 09:51:46 PM
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As was said here earlier, it doesn't detect a lot of older in the wild things because all of the AV's should be detecting and blocking them.
No no no, it is not the point. As I said, all the samples were collected among one month. That is, the 'oldest' was only 30 days old, is it considered to be too old?
What I meant is, it is not at all effective in China, yet it got its Chinese version...
If you want, I can send you a list of viruses personally and you could see how tragic the detection rate of MBAM could be. And also Avast!. Usually, it takes (at least) three days for avast! to pick up all the viruses missed by its first scan.
Yes, 30 days is ancient in the malware world. A lot of the stuff only has an active life of a few days. When it starts being detected by AV's, they're on to something new. I would say that new malware is detected by all the major AV's within 3 or 4 days after first showing up so even a week is a long time.
Title: Re: avast! Free with IOBIT Security
Post by: Lisandro on July 16, 2010, 10:54:05 PM
Seems the thread diverged from iObit to MBAM ;D
Title: Re: avast! Free with IOBIT Security
Post by: SpeedyPC on July 17, 2010, 03:58:50 AM
Seems the thread diverged from iObit to MBAM ;D

I believe iObit is behaving like Dark Vader.............Luke.......I'm your father.............come and join me to the power of the dark side of the force............evil very evil.
Title: Re: avast! Free with IOBIT Security
Post by: youngboy815 on July 17, 2010, 08:02:12 AM
Maybe he knows everything and will take over the world soon
Title: Re: avast! Free with IOBIT Security
Post by: ziucqea on July 17, 2010, 09:03:15 AM
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Yes, 30 days is ancient in the malware world. A lot of the stuff only has an active life of a few days.
So you're trying to tell me MBAM is quite sufficient in dealing with new threats? OK, then, post me personally and I'll send you a virus list, so that you will see what would come out, and hopefully that will stop you from be so confident.
Didn't you see I had agreed that it was the regions where it's used that mattered? While you're sicking to the point 'Oh, no, MBAM is special but effective anywhere'.
Title: Re: avast! Free with IOBIT Security
Post by: Lisandro on July 17, 2010, 03:35:40 PM
MBAM is not the panacea and never was.
It's good as a second opinion.
But the best on demand scanner would be www.virustotal.com :)
Title: Re: avast! Free with IOBIT Security
Post by: Dch48 on July 17, 2010, 10:25:14 PM
Virustotal can be confusing though. If you submit something there and only a couple or a few of the scanners show a detection, how do you know if it's really bad and just very new or if those few products are showing false positives? I 've seen both scenarios be true, mostly when the detections are due to heuristics or PUP scanning. I have also seen things detected by many of the scanners that aren't really harmful malware but things the AV vendors don't think you should be using.
Title: Re: avast! Free with IOBIT Security
Post by: Lisandro on July 17, 2010, 10:30:51 PM
Virustotal can be confusing though. If you submit something there and only a couple or a few of the scanners show a detection, how do you know if it's really bad and just very new or if those few products are showing false positives?
You don't konw for sure. But it's better to rely on 40+ scanners than only in the one in your computer...

I 've seen both scenarios be true, mostly when the detections are due to heuristics or PUP scanning.
You can take the conclusion that the file is only a PUP.
Or, if the malware name is dangerous, conclude that heuristics are detecting a very new malware.

I have also seen things detected by many of the scanners that aren't really harmful malware but things the AV vendors don't think you should be using.
Yes. There is inoffensive keygens/cracks that will be detected. It's up to you, with the advice of 40+ scanners :)
Title: IOBIT Security 360
Post by: babytyger on August 02, 2010, 04:46:24 AM
I just bought and removed Advanced SystemCare 3.6.1 PRO & Security 360 1.45 PRO.  Security 360 just reporting false positive (767 threats) then in couple days later reported the same 767 threats.  I used other major programs such Avira & Avast Internet Security Suite plus MBAM & SuperAntiSpyware to double check the finding from IOBIT....none was detected.

I decided to removed IOBIT from my system completely!  I would have never bought IOBIT if I known it came from CHINA.  I am an Asian, being used too many FAKE product from China.  When it comes to intellectual products and health products I just stay away from it.

I am currently running my browser "CHROME" in Avast Sandbox "Process Virtualization".  I am done with IOBIT...buyer beware!!!!!!!!!!!


P.S The toll free number for customer support is not even working YET!!!!!!!!   From IOBIT home page, there is nothing mention it is a CHINESE company.  People on the sites....are whites.  There is no address or contact number for IOBIT.  Probably own and run by bunch of college kids.
Title: Re: avast! Free with IOBIT Security
Post by: ziucqea on August 03, 2010, 01:04:49 PM
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From IOBIT home page, there is nothing mention it is a CHINESE company.  People on the sites....are whites.  There is no address or contact number for IOBIT.  Probably own and run by bunch of college kids.
Ah, well, the funders were two college students from China, but the company itself was a USA-based, that is, except for its founders, it has nothing to do with China. Also, I assure you that fewer than 1% computer users in China are acquaintant with IOBit. MBAM got to select its dictions more carefully when saying 'a China-based company is stealing our database'.
What's more, you have used too many 'fake produdts' ...well, probably (and most likely) that's because you got poor ability when it comes to telling fake AVs.....
Title: Re: avast! Free with IOBIT Security
Post by: DavidR on August 03, 2010, 02:48:27 PM
I don't care if it is China or Timbuktu, what they have done in the past, Iobit deserves all the scorn poured on to it. I have no idea of its origins (nor really care), but if it were a US based company do you think MBAM would have had so much of a problem getting Iobit to remove their signatures.