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Consumer Products => Avast Free Antivirus / Premium Security (legacy Pro Antivirus, Internet Security, Premier) => Topic started by: Stran05 on July 24, 2010, 02:18:39 PM
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I am really willing to point out a statistical analysis on the detection rate of antivirus programs via some results from some Virus Total Results. Right now I have only gathered five VirusTotal results tested on a Javascript, a Backdoor virus, a Trojan Dropper, a Trojan and a PDF Exploit. The results are compiled into a single MS-Excel file which you can download from the link below:
http://attachments.wetpaintserv.us/CZueaLxae3B70nn2f3bROg38912
I will gather 100 VirusTotal and NoVirusThanks results and will then anlalyse them. In such a way I can find which antivirus is the best in terms of detection rate. For more info visit:
http://ssrsecurity.wetpaint.com/
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and what is that doing in the free/pro/suite section, apart from advertising your web site ??? ::)
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Where should I post it then?
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Where should I post it then?
in the general topic section...but it's too late. And mods here don't move threads when needed...anyway, as far as I'm concerned, that's advertising a web site with no serious goal in mind, concerning security matters. Your site basically prompts people to register to see anything. And statistics elaborated on the basis of a few observations with VirusTotal don't mean much.
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The most serious goal in mind is verifying the detction rates of the 42 concerned antivirus products and check their accuracy.
My site does not require registering, you can view threads and download attachments anytime you want.
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Moderators: Thread closed.
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they won't close it they'll just let go...
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Hint to others not to post in this thread perhaps.
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AV Comparatives only check the antivirus solutions against 6 moth old samples, so they are not really out in the wild.
The VirusTotal Results have been gathered from many support forums where the posters have are talking about a new sample, not 6 moths old ones. Though I have been at the receiving end from Kaspersky who say that as VT uses a very old version of Kaspersky's antivirus products, the detection might not be accurate. I agree with them, but that's the best way we have got. I am in short collecting the VT results for all new threats received and analyzed from malicious urls and exploits that have been submitted in the forums. I lay no faith in detection of old samples as they are rarely out in the wild.
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Any methodology, any test, will be pros and cons. We'll never be satisfied :)
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Any methodology, any test, will be pros and cons. We'll never be satisfied :)
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@ Stran05
As you use Avira AntiVir Personal 10 why do you not stick to Avira forums ???
In Account Related Settings select Hide email address from public to prevent scammers and spammers harvesting your gmail.com email address.
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I mean people like the OP here make a big mistake. Same mistake is observed at professional level as well as at amateur level attempting to advertise themselves behind the pretext of helping security software companies with their tests and reports ;D One thing is clear, security software companies improve their products based on users' feedback, people actually running it permanently, posting and reporting on forums. Serious people don't give a crap for external testing and comparatives of security software (unless they're called Comodo ;D :-X ...yeah, I said serious people :) ).
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Uptil now, 9 results have been analyzed. I shall be producing an early summary(not final) after 20 results have been analyzed. Some newly added categories are Bots and keyloggers. It seems that till now Avira, Symantec and Microsoft Security essentials can go far, though I am surprised with Avast's (bad) result. You can download Update 1 from the link below:
http://attachments.wetpaintserv.us/EuHQYSmvzQ2zDl70Ofs1mA58880
Thank You, more updates soon.
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You'd be more credible if your testing methodology was explained somewhere, really. Else I'm going to consider this a trolling attempt...
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You'd be more credible if your testing methodology was explained somewhere, really. Else I'm going to consider this a trolling attempt...
I share the same opinion. For now I only see a goal, advertising your website.
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My testing methods are very very simple. I gather VirusTotal results from various security forums and bring them undera statistical analysis to find out which of the 42 antivirus engines have caught the most number of samples. The test is depended totally on VirusTotal. The tests have been conducted on various virus categories. After 20 results have been analyzed, then a mini summary will be made. The final summary will only be made after all 100 results have been gathered and analyzed. Right now, I have gathered and analyzed only 14, the next Update 2 will be released with 15 results in all total. And please, I am not advertising my website in any way.
Update 2 has seen Avast catching 4 of the 5 new samples but Avira almost everyone of them. MSE and AVG are still very balanced in their detection rates.
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Update 2 to be released today. Update 3 with mini summary to be released on the 31st July 2010.
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Update 2 has been released with 15 analyzed results. Check it out from the link below:
http://attachments.wetpaintserv.us/TwtSDaUJ6wh4EgxC2iEtUg74240
Sorry for the late release. Please post your feedbacks.
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My testing methods are very very simple. I gather VirusTotal results from various security forums and bring them undera statistical analysis to find out which of the 42 antivirus engines have caught the most number of samples. The test is depended totally on VirusTotal. The tests have been conducted on various virus categories. After 20 results have been analyzed, then a mini summary will be made. The final summary will only be made after all 100 results have been gathered and analyzed. Right now, I have gathered and analyzed only 14, the next Update 2 will be released with 15 results in all total. And please, I am not advertising my website in any way.
Update 2 has seen Avast catching 4 of the 5 new samples but Avira almost everyone of them. MSE and AVG are still very balanced in their detection rates.
let me save you some time, Virusinfo does this already.
http://virusinfo.info/index.php?page=testseng
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I have released the Online Scanner Detection Rate Final Update. You can download the Summary or the Full Project Info(Along with which virus sample was tested and full review of the 20 tested samples etc.) I will not give any sneak peak about the results but the highest detection rate obtained is 70%(14 out 20). Download from the links below:
Summary:
http://attachments.wetpaintserv.us/K_xvo4cZQgs9iaygiq_fpg69120
Full Project:
http://attachments.wetpaintserv.us/QJVDi6ed-5WnyFHs6GHM-w43387']Online Scanner Detection Test Full Project
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let me save you some time, Virusinfo does this already.
http://virusinfo.info/index.php?page=testseng
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As you are using Avira AntiVir Personal 10 why don't you stick to Avira and post is its forums ???
Virustotal is a service that analyzes suspicious files and URLs and facilitates the quick detection of viruses, worms, trojans, and all kinds of malware detected by antivirus engines
http://www.virustotal.com
Why do you like to expose your cellon.hpage(at)gmail.com email address to spammers and scammers ???
In Account Related Settings select Hide email address from public to prevent scammers and spammers harvesting your gmail.com email address.
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Possibly as they aren't so easy going and friendly towards this type of topic ;D
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Possibly as they aren't so easy going and friendly towards this type of topic ;D
Why do you think I'm here and not using Avira ???
http://brandingadvice.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/2.jpg
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The Avira Support Forum has very much accepted and encouraged this project. It is a much more serious and more professional forum. Panda Technologies have also accepted this review well. I will not reject the fact that Kaspersky was not pleased because of testing with VirusTotal as they use an old engine of kaspersky. But it has still secured a very good detection rate as you see.
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Then I suggest that you continue it there, if you feel they are more serious and professional.
All it seems to be doing here is giving link popularity hits for wetpaint.com, etc. (often called link spamming) when NAMOR showed you how to save yourself the trouble in Reply #18
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Then I suggest that you continue it there.
+1 and I'm surprised this thread hasn't been deleted yet.
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These are no spam but legitimate online scanner results. If you post a link to a virus total result does it mean that you are promoting virus total? You people are all Avast fan boys and get worked up when avast does not so good in any detection test.
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You people are all Avast fan boys
I'm out of this affirmation. No fanboyism. It's an immature attitude.
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These are no spam but legitimate online scanner results. If you post a link to a virus total result does it mean that you are promoting virus total? You people are all Avast fan boys and get worked up when avast does not so good in any detection test.
There is a legitimate purpose in posting virustotal links, so users might be able to scan suspect/infected files or show the results of an uploaded file. Kind of hard to do without giving the link, which is entirely different to what you are doing here. People aren't asking you for help or to do this, you are promoting it yourself for your own purposes.
Fanboy, you certainly haven't been here very long to try and label me with that one; if I see something wrong I raise the problem and shout about it like most of the others you try to attach that label 'because you don't like what they say' are just as quick to shout about a problem. Note I did say (often called link spamming) not that you are spamming.
No one has got worked up about avast not doing so good in your detection test, no one has mentioned it at all in this topic and I highly doubt they have even bothered to go to your site either. They tend to go on their own personal experience of avast. My personal experience is over six and a half years of using avast, with not a single infection and I have poked my nose into some dodgy sites whilst investigating topics in the viruses and worms forum.
Personally I feel you are wasting your time, given what has been said but those posting and the fact that this information is already available.
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Then I suggest that you continue it there.
+1 and I'm surprised this thread hasn't been deleted yet.
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I'm agreeing with Logos on this one!
Personally I feel you are wasting your time, given what has been said but those posting and the fact that this information is already available.
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Hello, The Online Scanner Database September 2010 has been released, this time with 20 new samples again. There will be no Mini Summary or Part by Part Update. The samples that have been analyzed are new and includes MD5 checksums. This time only VirusTotal has been used as the Online Scanner. Kapsersky, GData and SUPERAntiSpyware would are not considered because of the respective reasons:
1) VirusTotal uses an old Kapsersky Engine for scanning.
2) GData uses twin engines of Avast and BitDefender.
3) SUPERAntispyware does not meet the criteria for the test.
For more information visit: http://www.ssrsecurity.wetpaint.com
Hi, the Raw Detection Rate sheet is now available for download. Download it from http://www.ssrsecurity.com or from the link given below:
http://attachments.wetpaintserv.us/Z9A5YxXdQkeJVjYkVVZaKA1165824
Please post your comments.
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The whole project is finally out!
You can download the Rankings form the link below:
http://attachments.wetpaintserv.us/dhllmEtcIjYsj-CAKNIBYw62976
You can also download the Detection Results(with MD5 checksums) from the link below
http://attachments.wetpaintserv.us/Z9A5YxXdQkeJVjYkVVZaKA1165824
For more information visit: http://www.ssrsecurity.wetpaint.com
Please post your views and please comment on any aspect of these tests that can be improved.
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Your comments please.
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I get the feeling that you might have a bit of an avira fanboyism and you feel the need to post your remark's about how avast isn't doing so well in your test's, when you become a long standing and reputable virus testing company people will listen to what you have to say but you aren't and as such you are more regarded as a hack and your post's here in this forum are not well recieved so you should stick to the forum's that are willing to listen to your nonprofessional testing abilities ;)
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I wonder if a) you have obtained VirusTotal's permission to use their data for your so called security review and b) if they know if you are doing it. Perhaps someone should ask them if they are aware of the use of their data for this purpose.
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Your comments please.
no comment here >>> you've been asked to stop that a few times already ::)
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I wonder if a) you have obtained VirusTotal's permission to use their data for your so called security review and b) if they know if you are doing it. Perhaps someone should ask them if they are aware of the use of their data for this purpose.
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done ;)
http://twitter.com/logo_s/statuses/26012006884
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There is no question of promoting Avira. As you can see, Avast is ahead of Avira in this recent test. The test is not built on my experience but around VirusTotal and if you dont trust them then there is nothing to do.
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There is no question of promoting Avira. As you can see, Avast is ahead of Avira in this recent test. The test is not built on my experience but around VirusTotal and if you dont trust them then there is nothing to do.
It's not that we dont trust virus total, its your use and understanding of av product's and your lack of testing ability knowledge, plus you are not licensed or registered to be using virus total in your advertisements to your own site and link's, so for the unteenth time stop posting here on this forum.
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There is no question of promoting Avira. As you can see, Avast is ahead of Avira in this recent test. The test is not built on my experience but around VirusTotal and if you dont trust them then there is nothing to do.
don't turn the problem into something completely irrelevant, the issue is not with VirusTotal, the issue is with you using their database illegally to feed your web site, and repost the results here, not mentioning that nobody's interested by your non-work.
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I am not aware of any illegal matter. When people use data from Wikipedia in their projects etc. people hardly blame them, but when I take data from VirusTotal, it becomes highly illegal. Then links to VirusTotal and AVComparatives are to be banned. Please forgive me for sharing my experiences here as you people here here are though very much educated in Network Sceurity topics are alawys addicted to pulling someone's leg. Thank You.
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If you aren't aware of what you are doing is or may be illegal, people are suggesting otherwise as you are using the virustotal data for a purpose entirely different to what it was intended when you start to use that as collated data in 'your own' so called security report.
It is up to you to ensure that what you are doing with this data is legal and you can only do that by seeking advice, gaining permission from virustotal, it is as simple as that.
It has nothing to do with what other people are doing, it is what you are doing.
When links to virustotal are posted here it is for the purpose of confirmation of a particular detection by an avast user so that they can any appropriate action. They are posting a link to their particular upload and not collating data from virustotal into any report. So don't try to excuse what you do by other peoples action of confirming a detection, they aren't putting together a so called security report.
You have seen that people aren't interested in your site or report, take it where it is wanted. You are effectively link spamming to your site.