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Title: Forum behavior
Post by: MikeBCda on July 28, 2004, 10:59:26 PM
Hi,

We're uncomfortably aware of a quite recent flaming episode, and they've happened in the past too.

Most of us agree on what's proper, although it seems to be essentially a combination of common sense plus courtesy and "gentlemen's agreement", with occasional reminders -- or stronger action -- if necessary from Pavel and/or the mods.

Do we have posted anywhere here an official set of Terms of Service, that we can refer folks to when problems arise?  They're pretty standard (at least in that they're posted prominently somewhere) just about everywhere else I go, but I'll be damned if I can find them anywhere here.

Best to all,
Mike
Title: Re:Forum behavior
Post by: .: Mac :. on July 29, 2004, 01:49:30 AM
I dont rember one being posted but I would Imagine it would be simialr to the V1ru5Help.org's rules which can be found below

http://www.v1ru5help.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=46
Title: Re:Forum behavior
Post by: techie101returns on August 01, 2004, 01:06:33 AM
Mike,

Here is a start....I will patch in the other shortly.

http://forum.avast.com/index.php?board=9;action=display;threadid=5626
Title: Re:Forum behavior
Post by: MikeBCda on August 01, 2004, 04:45:11 AM
Hi techie,

Thanks - I'd already seen that one back when you first posted it (unless, of course, the link's wrong).

Part of the problem here is that our board setup is rather unusual.  As you probably know, on most boards there's a forum right up at the top of the "home" or main list for admin announcements and similar items, and typically Terms of Service (or a link to a separate page with them) is one of the very first sticky-and-locked topics there.

'Twould be nice, of course, if we could get by with nothing more than common courtesy and respect -- but alas, we're in the real world, and sometimes it does unfortunately become necessary to point out -- and if necessary enforce -- the rules.

Best,
Mike
Title: Re:Forum behavior
Post by: techie101returns on August 01, 2004, 09:13:31 AM
Mike,

It took me awhile to find this one from Pavel which says it all.
I think these are fair guidelines.

See the second reply in the thread....

http://forum.avast.com/index.php?board=9;action=display;threadid=4653;start=msg33994#msg33994 (http://forum.avast.com/index.php?board=9;action=display;threadid=4653;start=msg33994#msg33994)

Title: Re:Forum behavior
Post by: Lisandro on August 01, 2004, 05:19:27 PM
Mike, I think your idea is wellcoming  8)
Let's wait for Pavel to know something more...  ;)
Title: Re:Forum behavior
Post by: MikeBCda on August 01, 2004, 06:05:57 PM
It took me awhile to find this one from Pavel which says it all.
I think these are fair guidelines.

Pavel's post was certainly a good solid starting point for what I had in mind.  But it's in a rather out-of-the-way location for someone who's quickly scanning the main list, and in particular is unlikely to be spotted simply because it's in a more or less unrelated topic that he specifically had to step into to clean up.

When we added "Off-topic" it wound up at the bottom of the main list, which is fair enough.  But surely YaBB must permit adding new forums at the top as well, and that's the obvious place for a "Notices and Announcements" sort of thing.  And if that's set up as sticky-and-locked, it wouldn't even need moderated.

So hopefully Pavel and/or whoever will see this (I'm too modest to bother IM-ing him or, say, Vlk) and think about it.

Best,
Mike
Title: Re:Forum behavior
Post by: techie101returns on August 01, 2004, 06:14:34 PM
Mike,

I can as a Moderator put the thread at the top of the Off Topic, but it won't appear in every forum.

Maybe there should be a "button" that will display the guidelines of maybe they can be put into a footer.

Pavel would have to do anything more than that.  If you think it would help, then I can put Pavel's thread at the top of the Off Topic and lock it.

 :D
Title: Re:Forum behavior
Post by: bob3160 on August 01, 2004, 07:56:53 PM
Hi Techie 101,
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If you think it would help, then I can put Pavel's thread at the top of the Off Topic and lock it.
Unfortunately the offender probably doesn't care what you post as long as he/she gets their 2cents worth in. In most cases all they want to do is disrupt the forum anyway.
Title: Re:Forum behavior
Post by: MikeBCda on August 01, 2004, 09:56:36 PM
Unfortunately the offender probably doesn't care what you post as long as he/she gets their 2cents worth in. In most cases all they want to do is disrupt the forum anyway.

True enough, Bob.  But if we have clearly posted rules (most places like this they're called Terms of Service) then Pavel plus anyone he designates can if necessary cut them short or even ban them for flagrant violation of the TOS.

While I don't always agree with the policies over at Wilders (Paul W. likes to run a very tight ship), they do clearly warn that not only will flagrant violators have their membership-registrations cancelled, but all postings the person ever made will be deleted.
Title: Re:Forum behavior
Post by: techie101returns on August 01, 2004, 11:44:31 PM
Bob,

Yes, I agree with you.  THOSE users will do what they want no matter what until they get kicked off.


Mike,

Pavel has that authority now to ban users, but the policy seems a bit too liberal and therefore users do as they wish.
I have no control over that other than what I can do on the Off Topic (which already caused me to get my wrist slapped once or twice... ;D)

Maybe you should PM Pavel and make your ideas known to him.  He may decide to come up with some guidelines that are more clearly spelled out.

Title: Re:Forum behavior
Post by: MikeBCda on August 02, 2004, 01:32:16 AM
Mike,
Maybe you should PM Pavel and make your ideas known to him.  He may decide to come up with some guidelines that are more clearly spelled out.

Just done, thanks Techie -- essentially I just asked him to take a look at this thread now that we've kicked the idea around a little.
Title: Re:Forum behavior
Post by: S.Z.Craftec on August 02, 2004, 02:54:00 AM
OK, here is what I think... Sometimes it really make me sick when I see the language that people are alowed to use in these forums. They come in here for the first time, everyone in these forums wish them warm welcome, like we always do, and as soon as they start to post - bam... Flaming, cursing and nothing good. I've seen messages like this one few times:

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"Hello, I just installed avast! and in the beginning it was great. Now I'm experiencing so much problems, my hard disk is so slow, my icons changed colors without any reason, my PC won't shut down as fast as it does before... I'm disapointed and I've never seen such messy product, so I just switched to Norton... I hate avast!"

Common, that doesn't sound like constructive comment at all. If someone says different, it's a fib...

He didn't even ask for help, he just posted in forums to let us know that this antivirus sucks, and all he expected from us was to reply to his post, so that way he would be able to start with flame...

Sometimes it's really sad, and I mean REALLY, REALLY sad, how those that are responsible for keeping peace in these forums, like to take neutral position... Common, we are not Swiss... they don't wanna loose potential customers or something else maybe that I can not understand... but, that's OK... keep those with bad language, those who are not able to make friendships and to be of any good to anyone in these forums, but only to start flaming and abuse everyone who doesn't think like they do, and let those who love these people, this software and atmosphere around here, leave these forums like they never existed... no matter they helped alot in any field, no one wants to see that. And don't tell me those people brings us constructive comments by talking bad things about avast! Open your eyes people... just take a look at other forums. People are getting banned out of forums for much less. No one is saying we have to abuse our privileges like someone said it once, and keep his friend's side even if he is not right that particular time, but some boundaries must be set. Few, just few people helped me few times, even my intetions were good and nothing else but good, I was defending avast! and I was defending common sense.

People don't like to feel alone and abandoned, especially from closest friends...

My 2 cents...  ;)
Title: Re:Forum behavior
Post by: Gene Johnson on August 02, 2004, 09:50:53 AM
Sometimes the frustration level gets quite high after an install doesn't seem to work. I installed some security progs on a friends computer the other day. Spent a couple of hours at it. She calls me up a day later and says she sent it all to the recycle bin because she couldn't get her emails. She was blaming me! I told her she was on her own from now on. We have since resumed talking but it left a bitter taste. WE ALL MUST BE TOLERANT OF THE NEW PEOPLE, DESPITE THEIR FLAMING. Not always an easy thing to do. :)  
Title: Re:Forum behavior
Post by: Vlk on August 02, 2004, 11:54:27 AM
Hi,

let me just add something to this topic: all of you forum veterans are really very nice people loyal to avast. However, from time to time I have the feeling that your fidelity is somewhat exagerated or annoying to the newbies. avast is not perfect and when someone posts a new topic that this or that does not work as it should, there's a big chance that he/she is actually right. At least on his/her HW/SW configuration.

Therefore, I'd like to ask everybody for refraining from answers that suggest the user is basically doing it wrong (unless it is obviously the case). Please note that the forum rank does not reflect the actual expertise of the user -- even if he/she is an absolute newbie on the forum, his/her knowledge of the matter can actually be vast...

In the purely technical threads, it may be also worth asking yourself: do I really know the answer? Or is the stuff I'm going to post really relevant? If not, it's usually better idea to not respond -- otherwise the threads grow indefinitely and are very hard to navigate for the original posters.

Thanks
Vlk
Title: Re:Forum behavior
Post by: bob3160 on August 02, 2004, 12:46:20 PM
Thanks Vlk,
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Please note that the forum rank does not reflect the actual expertise of the user -- even if he/she is an absolute newbie on the forum, his/her knowledge of the matter can actually be vast...
I think that the following referenced thread pretty much proves that point.
http://forum.avast.com/index.php?board=2;action=display;threadid=6006;start=0 (http://forum.avast.com/index.php?board=2;action=display;threadid=6006;start=0)
Title: Re:Forum behavior
Post by: Pavel on August 02, 2004, 01:20:43 PM
Ok, so I put very simple forum policy into the special Topic in this forum - it is sticky so it will be on top of the list all the time. I have also added a button into the top of the page which points to it - so it is accessible from all forum pages  ;)

Pavel
Title: Re:Forum behavior
Post by: S.Z.Craftec on August 02, 2004, 01:52:48 PM
All you said is OK, but c'mon Vlk... to be able to post dead disfigured body, blood and bones all around, you must be sick in the brain. You all know what I'm talking about. Putting line in his signature: "Support the war on forum terrorism and WMD (Weapons of Message-board Destruction)" tells you everything about that user. He called me Osamma Bin Craftec few times. Is that language that you will allow in these forums ? If it is, I'll just leave, like many others I believe. No harm done, anyway, no one needs someone "whose security knowledge level is not so high". He is not here to support or just comment on this product. And what war he is talking about ? There is no room in these forums for any kind of war or weapons. But, of course it's much easier to pretend we didn't see that...

Quote by Vlk:
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...avast is not perfect and when someone posts a new topic...

True Vlk, but we're here to try to make it even better, not to blame it all the time... we must try to see the light at the end of the tunnel, and not to speak as everything is black and pointless...

I'm here to speak peacefully, to make new friends, to contribute this software if I can somehow... no one can tell me that my knowledge evel isn't good enough. Don't make me search and post all those posts where I solved some people's problems where no one knew the answer. I'm not the cleverest one and I know it. I never tried to present myself as I am one. But, I know that 100 people is much clever than one person. That's why we have to work like one big being, great society, unity, whatever... but, I'm sure I contributed helping newbies in many cases.

Pavel - thing that you did with FORUM POLICY button is GREAT ! Something so useful that it's not easy to describe. Now, no one can say he didn't know about posting large avatars or pictures in signatures among the other things mentioned in that thread. That way, no one have to jump into possible conflicts with forum members (like I did, but it wasn't my intention to make someone stupid or to start flaming, it should be clear to everybody), because no one have to alarm them about their large avatars... now, all they have to do is read Forum rules.

Thanks for reading this.

Cheers !
Title: Re:Forum behavior
Post by: KezzerDrix on August 02, 2004, 04:24:46 PM
I have to agree with "Craftec"

As for exagerant regulars, I would have to ask if you have confidence in your product?  

I use it, currently the home edition, but I am seriously considering buying the pro version.  I am a college student, I can get a little discount and I appreciate Avast allowing me some time to get to know it before buying it.  

I don't think being loyal to a product that is innovative, creative and gracious is being an extremist.  Look at other Antivirus's what do they do for their customers.  NOTHING, or nothing much.  

Having a fan base is what keeps this forum alive and what gets avast recognition on the net and other places.  

I wrote a speech concerning spyware and gave it before an auditorium full of students.  I made up a flier telling how to fight spyware and on the back of the flier I put recommended software I placed Avast as my antivirus of choice and told the students that it had a trial period, a free version, and a pay version.  I made up 100 of those fliers and at the end I only had a few left.  

I am proud to be using avast, I tell everyone I know about it and have converted a great deal of people.

LOYAL customers are GOOD, crappy people who come here to b|t<h and leave are BAD.  People who attack your LOYAL customers are bad.  Remember it is the few of us who are exgerant regulars that speak loudly for your product!

   
Title: Re:Forum behavior
Post by: Vlk on August 02, 2004, 04:38:56 PM
Simple answer: as this forum called the "official avast support forum" the point is to provide help even for users with crappy manners. Some people (most I guess) behave nicely, some do not. That's the reality. But the destiny of the support staff is to try to support both. It's just not possible to ignore those people (especially if these are paying customers) - or, argue with them.

I hope this won't make anyone sad.

Thanks
Vlk
Title: Re:Forum behavior
Post by: MikeBCda on August 02, 2004, 05:13:01 PM
Thanks, Pavel, obviously you've seen my IM (or had this thread pointed out to you, or both).   :)

Point well taken, Vlk -- essentially, "it takes two to make a fight".  Admittedly the problems most commonly start with a newbie who arrives with avast! problems plus a chip on his shoulder, but I've also seen it start from folks with several hundred postings behind them.

Obviously our primary purpose here is mutual support and assistance, plus feedback to the Alwil team about possible glitches or incompatibility problems they didn't encounter themselves.  But patience stretches a little thin when someone comes in to tell us nothing more than that they're ditching avast! without wanting to try suggested fixes.

Best to all,
Mike
Title: Re:Forum behavior
Post by: S.Z.Craftec on August 02, 2004, 05:19:29 PM
Mike, all true, but: "...it takes two to make a fight..." doesn't mean anything in cases like this. I gues I was "other" side in that line, but let's put it this way: "...it takes at least two to make a war...". That doesn't mean both sides are necessarily wrong. One side is defending in most cases...

As I said before, there is no point to discuss about some certain things in life... million people, million different thoughts. Can't please everybody in the same time. As I told to Bob, from now on I'm shaddow...

Thanks !
Title: Re:Forum behavior
Post by: KezzerDrix on August 02, 2004, 05:32:54 PM
I am not talking about the people who come here for help.  I am speaking about the people who come here to call other forum members terrorists, ignorant, or tell outright lies about them.  Who come here only to say AVAST sucks and leave and those who complain and insult without seeking assistance.

In "Craftec"'s case he told a new member that his avatar was to big, --politely-- the guy then called him a terrorist.  I believe at that point he has a right to report the person to a moderator and defend himself -- correctly--  which he did.

I had a guy post that I was sending him rude PM's when in fact I wasn't, I hadn't sent him a single PM.  I have a right to inform everyone reading that I did not send said person rude PM's and report that person to a moderator.

Two sides to each fight, but someone always starts it.
Title: Re:Forum behavior
Post by: bob3160 on August 02, 2004, 07:06:34 PM
In this case, both KezzerDrix and Sasha Are correct. There is always one who starts the attack and one who then defends against the attack.
I think what Vlk is asking us to do is to realize that by challenging the aggressor, we are hurting the integrity and the spirit of this Forum.
Whenever we are attacked, (any member reguardles of his or her standing)we should report that to the moderator and let them handle the situation. By answering or challenging an attacker, we only allow them to win. I realize that it's never easy to walk away when you have been falsely accused. Unfortunately, sometimes it's the best cource of action to take.
Title: Re:Forum behavior
Post by: Vlk on August 02, 2004, 07:12:10 PM
Just re-read the latest thread that got out of bounds:
http://forum.avast.com/index.php?board=2;action=display;threadid=6206;start=0

What can we take from it?
Go figure. :P
Title: Re:Forum behavior
Post by: KezzerDrix on August 02, 2004, 07:22:06 PM
Theirin lies the problem, human nature in general.  Some of us are not pacifists, some of us will stand up for ourselves and what we believe in.  Some of us will speak for our friends and ourselves.

Some of us will not go quietly into the night.

Is that right? or wrong? who is the better man?

One thing is sure there is no Utopia, it takes all kinds.  I don't plan on being a different person anymore than anyone else.   Sometimes either course of action can make you feel less or better of yourself, in a life of  infinite choices we make infinite decisions.  
Title: Re:Forum behavior
Post by: bob3160 on August 02, 2004, 07:36:28 PM
KezzerDrix
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Some of us are not pacifists, some of us will stand up for ourselves and what we believe in.
I was not a Golden Glove participant because I'm a pacifist. I'm only trying to point out that there is always more than one way to handle a situation.
Title: Re:Forum behavior
Post by: KezzerDrix on August 02, 2004, 08:01:07 PM
Nor was I calling you one bob.  My statement was general
Title: Re:Forum behavior
Post by: MikeBCda on August 02, 2004, 08:24:27 PM
My apologies to Sasha and anyone else for any implication that I felt they were in any way at fault in this matter.  Sure, Vlk's right that we have to start out at least trying to help anyone with avast problems regardless of their behavior -- but there is also frequently a point at which it becomes obvious that they don't really want help, just a fight.  At some point (and we may well disagree on how far along) we have to agree that it's a hopeless situation and the only practical approach from then on is to simply ignore the person.

The thread Vlk linked to, and which Sasha referred to, was indeed the one that prompted me to start this topic in the first place.  While the person started out with what was (possibly) an avast! problem, it very quickly became apparent that the person had no intention whatsoever of following anyone else's rules or guidelines in this forum.  

While I don't think the specific issues regarding graphics (both content and size) are specifically spelled out here anywhere, at least not "officially", a number of members like Sasha tried -- with unfortunate results -- to point out what we've generally and informally accepted as standards here.

Too bad YaBB doesn't have an Ignore List (or at least not that's activated here), that probably would have been the simplest way for most of us to have handled things.  If someone gets abusive in almost any kind of chat format, after all, you almost always have the option to "mute" or "ignore" them.

Best to all,
Mike
Title: Re:Forum behavior
Post by: bob3160 on August 02, 2004, 08:38:21 PM
Gee Mike,
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Too bad YaBB doesn't have an Ignore List (or at least not that's activated here), that probably would have been the simplest way for most of us to have handled things.  If someone gets abusive in almost any kind of chat format, after all, you almost always have the option to "mute" or "ignore" them.
If that where possible, it sure would make life simple then we each have our own point at which we can decide we've had enough abuse and cut that person off. Hopefully, if this is possible, there would also be a way to reverse that action. We've had more than one person whom I would have cut off and they are now members in excellent standing.
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Nor was I calling you one bob.  My statement was general
KezzerDrix, I know that and it was taken that way.


Title: Re:Forum behavior
Post by: lee20 on August 02, 2004, 09:15:50 PM
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there is always more than one way to handle a situation.


Most of the time that is true bob, but not always, violence just has to happen sometimes, or people get out of hand.
I never use violence as my first course of action, but it just has to be used sometimes, like in protecting your family and freinds.

--lee
Title: Re:Forum behavior
Post by: bob3160 on August 02, 2004, 10:01:46 PM
Hi Lee
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but it just has to be used sometimes
My philosoghy is just a little different. That phraze sould be:
but it just may have to be used sometimes.
I don't advocate violence and will always attempt a peaceful solution if possible.
I also don't condone couardice and if there is no other choice, will fight like hell.
Hopefully that makes my position clear.
Title: Re:Forum behavior
Post by: Lisandro on August 02, 2004, 11:09:26 PM
Whenever we are attacked, (any member reguardles of his or her standing) we should report that to the moderator and let them handle the situation.

This is the hard work of the Moderators  :-\
Sometimes you may prefer to be just a simple mortal  8)

By answering or challenging an attacker, we only allow them to win. I realize that it's never easy to walk away when you have been falsely accused. Unfortunately, sometimes it's the best cource of action to take.

I called this "survive" a lot of times... We must survive  8)
Title: Re:Forum behavior
Post by: lee20 on August 02, 2004, 11:16:53 PM
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but it just may have to be used sometimes

True

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By answering or challenging an attacker, we only allow them to win. I realize that it's never easy to walk away when you have been falsely accused.


You shouldn't just walk away, you should just stand up for yourself, otherwise people will take advantage of you, its doesn't have to invole violence, but don't let them win.

--lee
Title: Re:Forum behavior
Post by: Lisandro on August 02, 2004, 11:27:32 PM
However, from time to time I have the feeling that your fidelity is somewhat exagerated or annoying to the newbies.

Sorry  :'( From times to times we became fanatics  ;D

Therefore, I'd like to ask everybody for refraining from answers that suggest the user is basically doing it wrong (unless it is obviously the case). Please note that the forum rank does not reflect the actual expertise of the user -- even if he/she is an absolute newbie on the forum, his/her knowledge of the matter can actually be vast...

Try to learn before teach... I learned a lot here  8)

In the purely technical threads, it may be also worth asking yourself: do I really know the answer? Or is the stuff I'm going to post really relevant? If not, it's usually better idea to not respond -- otherwise the threads grow indefinitely and are very hard to navigate for the original posters. Thanks Vlk

This will be truth in all cases if the technical team be here more frequently... Sometimes we, who do not know a lot, just try to help and things could be worse... Sometimes, the only ones who try to help and solve the problems are the users. We try to do our best because we like avast, we trust each other feelings and fidelity, friendship and so on... Sorry if sometimes, trying to help, we (or at least I) make the things harder  :'(
Title: Re:Forum behavior
Post by: S.Z.Craftec on August 02, 2004, 11:40:48 PM
Just re-read the latest thread that got out of bounds:
http://forum.avast.com/index.php?board=2;action=display;threadid=6206;start=0

What can we take from it?
Go figure. :P

Go figure ? I don't think so... it's this simple... read this... everything could ended in nice and cultural way, just like this:

Me: Could you please shrink your avatar ? It's a way too big for these forums. We all agreed to have smaller avatars...
Him: No problem, I'll modify my profile and set smaller one as my avatar.
Me: Thanks !


Go figure who broke the chain of pleasant conversation... I think it stoped after my first line... there is nothing like second line in his real reply. That tells us who stoped having normal conversation and started to flame...

Thanks !
Title: Re:Forum behavior
Post by: Staind on August 02, 2004, 11:49:54 PM
Oh, is my avatar - 125 x 94 too big?
Title: Re:Forum behavior
Post by: KezzerDrix on August 03, 2004, 12:19:57 AM
In my humble opinion, again ONLY MY OPINION.  I feel that the dude in "Craftec"'s case should have been given a stern warning and then the thread should have been closed.  Craftec even made the dude a smaller more appropriate Avatar.
Title: Re:Forum behavior
Post by: LIFE on August 03, 2004, 12:38:05 AM
Hi vik !

yes it make sense what you are saying if i or you no the answer of your own question you or i shut mebe not ask a technical qustion !
Title: Re:Forum behavior
Post by: S.Z.Craftec on August 03, 2004, 12:44:50 AM
Oh, is my avatar - 125 x 94 too big?

No Staind, your avatar is not much larger than some unofficial forum-avatar-size, so it can be used without any interfering with forum rules... it would be great if it can be 100x100 or smaller, but 120 and something is nothing comparing almost 200x200 pixels from above mentioned thread...

Cheers !
Title: Re:Forum behavior
Post by: Gene Johnson on August 03, 2004, 05:46:07 AM
If we all got upset everytime someone said something we didn't like, we would spend all of our time fighting. Learn to choose your battles wisely.
Title: Re:Forum behavior
Post by: S.Z.Craftec on August 03, 2004, 11:57:05 AM
Again... I didn't get upset. And I didn't start the fight. Re-read my replies in that particular thread again. I was polite and I informed him in polite way. Accusing me that I got upset when I didn't, is nothing else than making me  equally responsible for that fight... I don't need that...

I just alarmed the guy not to use too big avatar becaue some of users are still using 640x480 or 800x600 pixels resolution. Think of those people... If they visit his posts they wouldn't be able to see anything ewlse on the screen except his "tiny" avatar - half of their screen...

And btw... for me, clever person is not the one who knows how to choose his battles wisely... clever person is the one that knows how to awoid battles and live in peace...  ;)

I guess, no one of us is that clever...we are brave or we are cowards. It's that simple... It's always easier to choose not to involve. You need guts to do that... sometimes person have to stand for his/her rights, especially if he/her was attacked, and especially if there is no one around to help and morally support (just few, I can count them on my left hand fingers, thanks guys/girls)...
Title: Re:Forum behavior
Post by: Gene Johnson on August 03, 2004, 04:39:20 PM
Apparently Sasha,I said something you didn't like and now you have chosen to fight with me. My previous post is something my mother used to say to me when I would get angry at something she felt wasn't worth the time and effort. You seem to have taken it personal. Sorry if I offended you.

Gene............................
Title: Re:Forum behavior
Post by: MikeBCda on August 03, 2004, 05:29:55 PM
How about let's all cool it, guys (and gals, although I don't think any were involved in this)?

This started out as a dispute with a relative "outsider", even though the person had accumulated a fair number of posts.  And Pavel was kind enough to assist in straightening things out, with also some helpful comments from Vlk.

Please, let's not get it started up again in the family.

Hugs all around, and best to all,
Mike
Title: Re:Forum behavior
Post by: S.Z.Craftec on August 04, 2004, 12:27:58 AM
Apparently Sasha,I said something you didn't like and now you have chosen to fight with me. My previous post is something my mother used to say to me when I would get angry at something she felt wasn't worth the time and effort. You seem to have taken it personal. Sorry if I offended you.

Gene............................

No way. Totaly not right. I wasn't fight with you at all Gene. I really don't see the reason to do that. You said something, and I said something... that's all. Wasn't trying to turn this into some kind of verbal fight. I just said what is truth. I didn't wanted to fight with that guy, he showed us what he really meant... I informed him that his avatar is little too big, and he responded with "I don't like your skins, I will never use them, blah, blah, blah..." Like I care is he going to use them or hate them... I made them for all those who find them useful and neat looking, not for those who are here just to provoke.

Again, Gene... I really don't know what makes you think I'm fighting with you now ?!? That wasn't  my intention at all... if I said something that offended you, please forgive me... take my appology and we all can move on...

Cheers to everybody !
Title: Re:Forum behavior
Post by: Lisandro on August 04, 2004, 04:37:17 AM

In the purely technical threads, it may be also worth asking yourself: do I really know the answer? Or is the stuff I'm going to post really relevant? If not, it's usually better idea to not respond -- otherwise the threads grow indefinitely and are very hard to navigate for the original posters. Thanks Vlk

This will be truth in all cases if the technical team be here more frequently... Sometimes we, who do not know a lot, just try to help and things could be worse... Sometimes, the only ones who try to help and solve the problems are the users. We try to do our best because we like avast, we trust each other feelings and fidelity, friendship and so on... Sorry if sometimes, trying to help, we (or at least I) make the things harder  :'(

Well, Vlk, besides the forum is growing up, what do you think the 'lack' of answers in forums... at least, some users feel like that...
Title: Re:Forum behavior
Post by: techie101returns on August 04, 2004, 11:39:36 PM
I'm getting a headache from all this.   :P

What I do agree with is this.....
1.  Post only if you can contribute to a solution
Quantity is NOT always quality !
2.  Support is due ALL, not just those we like or appear nice to us
3.  ANY problem with a user should be resolved via IM or Email and not aired on the forum.
4.  ANY problem that cannot be resolved via #3 should be directed to the proper forum Moderator for resolution.

Thank you.

PS  Pavel,  the new Forum Policy icon is appreciated.
Title: Re:Forum behavior
Post by: S.Z.Craftec on August 05, 2004, 05:01:44 PM
I won't even read this thread any more...

Btw, another rule:

5.) If someone spits in your mouth, just swallow it and even if you don't like it ask him for some more...  :P
Title: Re:Forum behavior
Post by: KezzerDrix on August 05, 2004, 05:41:34 PM
Sorry, but that made me laugh (szc)  ;D

and ask for a poop on the side ;)