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Title: push feature
Post by: mantra on July 05, 2003, 05:08:10 PM
i can't understand this feature?!?!

avast4 has an automatic updater?

everytime i 'm in the net avast try to download update.
so?
Title: Re:push feature
Post by: techie101 on July 06, 2003, 12:50:14 AM
mantra,

Avast will auto update both virus database and the program itself if you set it to do so.  Right click on the A ball in the tray, and start the AV.
Go to Settings, Update and set both DB and Progam to Auto.

The Ivas Push you are referring to is only in the Avast Pro version.
It is an update directly from Avast when a new virus is found that the Avast team wants users to have protection.  So they send it without you asking between Full virus database updates.  Think of it as an emergency notification.

OK?

 ;D
Title: Re:push feature
Post by: mantra on July 06, 2003, 10:09:50 AM
are u sure??
incredible!!!

how many often they send this mail?

i have a trial!
Title: Re:push feature
Post by: mantra on July 06, 2003, 10:32:04 AM
here
u have to subscrive?
http://www.avast.com/i_idt_112.html
Title: Re:push feature
Post by: pekka on July 06, 2003, 11:27:44 AM
Well, actually at the moment I think that the iPush feature does not work.
But the main question here is:
Will it ever?

This feature working would certainly be one of the most impressive achievements in the av-market!

(I have the pro version.)
Title: Re:push feature
Post by: kubecj on July 07, 2003, 12:02:31 AM
It will work.

Soon (TM)  ;D
Title: Re:push feature
Post by: pekka on October 20, 2003, 04:30:55 PM
Well, over three months gone now,  is it the day "soon" yet?
Title: Re:push feature
Post by: igor on October 22, 2003, 09:29:03 AM
I think it works already - but for more info, we'd have to wait for kubecj...
Title: Re:push feature
Post by: Lisandro on October 22, 2003, 01:15:37 PM
Well, over three months gone now,  is it the day "soon" yet?

Since I'm here, this feature does not "work" any time for me  :'(
Let wait for kubecj...  ;)
Title: Re:push feature
Post by: igor on October 22, 2003, 01:27:48 PM
Well, "works" does not necessarily mean "it was used yet".
Title: Re:push feature
Post by: Lisandro on October 22, 2003, 04:26:46 PM
Well, "works" does not necessarily mean "it was used yet".

Yes, just an english trouble. What I was trying to say is that I have not note this feature working anytime in my system...  ;D

Btw, if this feature is not implemented yet, why tell the user that it exists (help files, configuration options, differences between Home and Pro version, and so on...)  :-\
Title: Re:push feature
Post by: igor on October 22, 2003, 04:39:06 PM
I would say "to be implemented" does not necessarily mean "to be implemented correctly", i.e. "work" :)

Really, we should wait if kubecj has something for us. I believe that this feature was implemented just as the other ones. The purpose is to handle critical situation - i.e. it's not supposed to be used very often. Later, it was found that it's not working as it was expected to - and needed a fix. I believe the problem has been found already (though I cannot say for sure), so that now it should be prepared to be used when needed.
Title: Re:push feature
Post by: Pavel Baudis on October 22, 2003, 04:41:46 PM
Btw, if this feature is not implemented yet, why tell the user that it exists (help files, configuration options, differences between Home and Pro version, and so on...)  :-\

It is implemented, it just has not been used from our side yet.

The main problem consists of setting up the mailing list for the Push - right now we have two mailing lists for various annoucements (from historical reasons) but we need to completely change this before Push will be used. I hope this will happen quite soon...

Title: Re:push feature
Post by: Lisandro on October 22, 2003, 04:45:00 PM
It is implemented, it just has not been used from our side yet.
The main problem consists of setting up the mailing list for the Push - right now we have two mailing lists for various annoucements (from historical reasons) but we need to completely change this before Push will be used. I hope this will happen quite soon...

Ok, never mind. Let's wait, as Igor says The purpose is to handle critical situation - i.e. it's not supposed to be used very often.
Thanks, Pavel  ;)
Title: Re:push feature
Post by: pekka on October 22, 2003, 05:19:06 PM
Is it possible to start Avast update process with some kind of command line option?

The new iAVS update email announcements from Avast arrive very soon after the actual release, and my email system could start the update process automatically, if there was some updater program or command line option to use.
Title: Re:push feature
Post by: Lisandro on October 23, 2003, 12:23:00 AM
Is it possible to start Avast update process with some kind of command line option?

The new iAVS update email announcements from Avast arrive very soon after the actual release, and my email system could start the update process automatically, if there was some updater program or command line option to use.


I think not... The iAVS update, as you can read in help files, is an automatic process. When you download the messages, the Internet Mail Provider recognizes the body of the message and the download of the update will start automatically. I think - although I may be wrong - it is not necessary any command line option or updater program to start it...  ;)
Title: Re:push feature
Post by: techie101 on October 23, 2003, 01:47:27 AM
Here is the actaul definition and explanation of the ivas PUSH update process:

PUSH updates (Professional Edition only):
A special feature of the Professional Edition are PUSH updates. It is a dramatic change in the philosophy of updates. Usually, every installed program checks every now and then whether a new version is available. PUSH updates, however, are initialized by our server; they result in your computer quickly responding and performing the necessary update. The system is based on the SMTP protocol, i.e. on usual e-mail messages. The updates itself are controlled by the avast! resident e-mail providers (MS Outlook and Internet Mail).
The whole system if protected by asymmetric ciphers and is resistant to unauthorized misuse.

As has been explained here, in order of the PUSH to work effectively, it uses email, hence, a proper and complete email list must be compiled.
I have no idea when this will be accomplished, but be assured that it will be done!

"Implemented....Configured......Practical.....Is used....Was used.....Emergency situation.......Bah!!!!
ITS' NOT OPERATIONAL.........YET!   ;D

This feature breaks ground in the anti-virus update arena therefor, it will be operational as soon as practical.
(There I go with the legal lingo again.  ;)

Be patient.  All good things come to those that wait.

Techie's words of wisdom.
Title: Re:push feature
Post by: pekka on October 23, 2003, 02:44:58 PM
What I meant is that I already use similar "push" updates: When I get an email announcement that new virus signature files are available from (another) AV company, my Mercury32 email system (fetches emails every 15 minutes from my isp) automatically starts AV-updater.exe /silent /quit ( downloads and installs new signatures).

However this another company sends announcements hours after the update is actually released.
And I have noticed, that Avast sends announcements very soon after the release, so if I could manually start Avast setup with command line options like: /downloadpkgs /noreboot /updatevps /verysilent I would have my own automatic "push" feature working in one minute. Not soon...

I have had two occasions this year, when email viruses (Sobig.F and Swen) started to come in after just an hour or two after the database updates, so
I suppose that timing is critical in real life.
Title: Re:push feature
Post by: techie101 on October 23, 2003, 04:27:40 PM
Avast sends announcements very soon after the release, so if I could manually start Avast setup with command line options like: /downloadpkgs /noreboot /updatevps /verysilent I would have my own automatic "push" feature working in one minute.

Pekka,

I understand that you want updates right away.  WE all do.
However, as far as I know, in order for you  to use such a "command line option" if there was one, you would need access to the Avast server containing the DB.  
Access to the AVAST DB server is not at all wise, so I think you will need to wait until the PUSH feature is operational.

When done, it will be quick and fully automatic.  It will be well worth the wait!

techie
Title: Re:push feature
Post by: pekka on October 23, 2003, 05:20:57 PM
Why is it not wise to access AVAST DB server?

When I get that announcement email about new databases from Avast, I read it and manually right click the Avast tray icon and choose Updating...iAVSupdate.
(And Avast accesses AVAST DB server and downloads and installs new database.)

How is this done?
Avast Setup info log:
Running setup_av_pro-118(280) ... with Cmdline: /downloadpkgs /noreboot /updatevps /silent /progress ...

And my question for the Alwill team remains: is it possible to start this same setup command line operation manually ?
Title: Re:push feature
Post by: techie101 on October 24, 2003, 01:07:39 AM
Why is it not wise to access AVAST DB server?
Sorry you misunderstood my comment.  I meant unrestricted, uncontrolled access such as that when an FTP is used with the server password to gain access.

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And my question for the Alwill team remains: is it possible to start this same setup command line operation manually ?
I have referred your question directly to a moderator who may be able to clarify what you ask.

techie