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Title: Window XP SP2 Final Release
Post by: SpeedyPC on August 15, 2004, 08:29:48 AM
G'day all,

Microsoft has release the final version of Window XP SP2 compatible for Home and Pro OS platform, what I like to know for you people have already got the final version of SP2.

I have already download the 279mb file from Microsoft website, before I format my HD to do a complete clean Window XP Pro install with the SP2. Has anyone done a FULL Testing of the SP2 final release, question is. Is everything okay and very stable no crash out or hang ups or what every problem may show up.

Please advise with your full SP2 report on what you think and what other problem have you seen on the SP2 Final release, BEFORE I kill my HD goodbye for reformat.

Thanks
Title: Re:Window XP SP2 Final Release
Post by: radicalb21 on August 15, 2004, 08:34:29 AM
Hey SpeedyPC,
It's radicalb21. I have been running it since last week. I haven't had any problems. A couple of quick questions what firewall are you using or will you be using windwos firewall. The total size for a full network install is 266 MB's.  Also take a look at this link:

http://forum.avast.com/index.php?board=9;action=display;threadid=6537

I hope this helps.
Title: Re:Window XP SP2 Final Release
Post by: SpeedyPC on August 15, 2004, 08:38:15 AM
Hey SpeedyPC,
It's radicalb21. I have been running it since last week. I haven't had any problems. A couple of quick questions what firewall are you using or will you be using windwos firewall. The total size for a full network install is 266 MB's.

G'day Radicalb21,

I won't be using the XP firewall, I am going to my Zone Alarm Pro v5.1.011.000 which I never has any problem once so ever with my XP Pro SP1a. And still using my Avast Home version which I love as always.
Title: Re:Window XP SP2 Final Release
Post by: radicalb21 on August 15, 2004, 08:49:50 AM
Hey SpeedyPC,
Have you thought about doing a slip-stream or just load SP1 or SP1A and then loaded Service Pack 2.
Title: Re:Window XP SP2 Final Release
Post by: SpeedyPC on August 15, 2004, 09:19:36 AM
Hey SpeedyPC,
Have you thought about doing a slip-stream or just load SP1 or SP1A and then loaded Service Pack 2.

Radicalb21,

I prefer to do a clean install without SP1 and SP1a, understand what you mean but I choose not to sometime SP2 can cause conflict problem with SP1 and 1a ya never know.

I choose not to used the Window XP Firewall with SP2, why?  Well according MS SP2 report say the Window firewall doesn't block or monitoring the outbound traffic it can ony do the inbound traffic. That is why I am still using my latest ZA Pro version.
Title: Re:Window XP SP2 Final Release
Post by: Eddy on August 15, 2004, 11:43:45 AM
SP2 still has many issues. imho MS shouldn't have released it yet.
Title: Re:Window XP SP2 Final Release
Post by: SpeedyPC on August 15, 2004, 02:17:34 PM
SP2 still has many issues. imho MS shouldn't have released it yet.

Eddy,

Can you please tell me what kind of problems does MS has many issue????
Title: Re:Window XP SP2 Final Release
Post by: neal62 on August 16, 2004, 08:41:55 AM
Personally I am going to wait about 2 months or so after SP2 has been officially released. If a person has the proper protection using XP and sp1 then I don't believe it's a dire necessity to jump right in and get sp2. Why not wait a while and let the bugs become known, fixed, and or any issues be taken care of before downloading sp2? ???
Title: Re:Window XP SP2 Final Release
Post by: DavidR on August 16, 2004, 12:48:15 PM
I too am in no rush to make the jump to SP2. I tend to dip my toe in the water rather than jump in with both feet to test the depth. I will be waiting at least a month before I try to find a source of an SP2 network install CD in the UK. There is no way I'm trying to download 266MB over a dial-up connection.

Yes I believe that there are many improvements in SP2, a lot of them are to protect the innocent/computer novice, who don't know what steps to take to protect their systems. That is why many of the default settings in the new Security Centre (center for the USA readers) will help protect the novice user and help slow/stop the spread of infection.
Title: Re:Window XP SP2 Final Release
Post by: bob3160 on August 16, 2004, 02:41:22 PM
SpeedyPC
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Can you please tell me what kind of problems does MS has many issue
GO HERE (http://langa.com/newsletters/2004/2004-08-16.htm#1) for some other opinions.
Title: Re:Window XP SP2 Final Release
Post by: DavidR on August 16, 2004, 06:17:49 PM
SpeedyPC
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Can you please tell me what kind of problems does MS has many issue
GO HERE (http://langa.com/newsletters/2004/2004-08-16.htm#1) for some other opinions.

I see your reading the same newsletters as me Bob, Fred is one of three sources that recommend hanging back until the dust settles.
Title: Re:Window XP SP2 Final Release
Post by: bob3160 on August 16, 2004, 06:47:16 PM
Sorry about that David.
At least it shows we received our education from the same sources.
Fred, Scott and Chris among others are good people. :) :)
Title: Re:Window XP SP2 Final Release
Post by: neal62 on August 17, 2004, 07:26:58 AM
Lol, Mr Fred L. is also where I read his opinion about waiting. Looks like all 3 of us read the same material ;)
Title: Re:Window XP SP2 Final Release
Post by: inthewildteam on August 18, 2004, 12:27:07 AM
SpeedyPC,

heres a link to an article about the latest upgrade, if you follow the links on there you'll go to Micro$ofts site where there is a list of 200 programmes known to have issues, one of which is Zonealarm.

Think the general opinion is wait a few months.

Incidentally, quite a few of the programmes that are incompatible with SP2 are Micro$ofts own!!

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/08/17/xp_sp2_glitches/
Title: Re:Window XP SP2 Final Release
Post by: Eddy on August 18, 2004, 12:40:05 AM
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companies like IBM are holding off from deploying SP2 despite the considerable security improvements it offers
That should say enough about sp2 ;D

I've tried sp2 on several systems with different configurations and I am not gonna put sp2 on the systems I sell.
Title: Re:Window XP SP2 Final Release
Post by: inthewildteam on August 18, 2004, 12:45:29 AM
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companies like IBM are holding off from deploying SP2 despite the considerable security improvements it offers
That should say enough about sp2 ;D

I've tried sp2 on several systems with different configurations and I am not gonna put sp2 on the systems I sell.

Well said!

Must admit, it's mildy amusing how many programmes are MS own

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?kbid=842242
Title: Re:Window XP SP2 Final Release
Post by: bob3160 on August 18, 2004, 01:24:58 AM
inthewildteam
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one of which is Zonealarm
Please note, the version they mention is an old version. The current version is not listed. :)
Title: Re:Window XP SP2 Final Release
Post by: inthewildteam on August 18, 2004, 01:34:54 AM
inthewildteam
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one of which is Zonealarm
Please note, the version they mention is an old version. The current version is not listed. :)

I know, just posted as a "heads up" knowing the problems SP1 caused initially.

I'm not against anyone updating (might even do it myself later) I just think it's best to make an informed choice and be aware of any possible problems.

Personally, I think this update is more of a "knee jerk reaction" to the recent bad press about Windows security, rather than a well thought out update.  Possibly the ad men wanted a face saving gesture first, hence some of the problems with Microsofts own programmes after the update.

Hasten to add, that the above is merely a personal opinion not a "knock" against Microsoft.  I'll keep those for when I'm logged into Mandrake 10 and the forums I use there!  ;)
Title: Re:Window XP SP2 Final Release
Post by: Eddy on August 18, 2004, 03:38:23 PM
Already several exploits are discovered in SP2. You can read more about it HERE (http://www.heise.de/security/artikel/50051)
Title: Re:Window XP SP2 Final Release
Post by: bob3160 on August 18, 2004, 03:51:32 PM
Hi Eddy
That didn't take long. It hasen't even been officially released. MS better jump on this one but in a hurry.
Title: Re:Window XP SP2 Final Release
Post by: S.Z.Craftec on August 19, 2004, 03:41:02 AM
People, you have to understand that there is no 100% secure OS, and it will never be. Every single time someone comes up with something revolutionary, there will be some new kids on the block trying to prove that it's not so secure as everyone thinks it is... hackers don't know what "vacation" word means...  ;D It will always be like that. If something strange happens, and we destroy all Windows instances in the world... and we all have to switch to Linux... what do you think, that will solve our security problems ? Aha... I'm sure it wouldn't last more than one month, we would see so many people reporting some new flaws... why ? Because it's modern to attack something that is current and used by millions... it's never-ending story, and any further discussion is useless... we can talk like this forever.

Cheers !
Title: Re:Window XP SP2 Final Release
Post by: Sojourner on August 19, 2004, 05:27:08 PM
Hi all you Conservative guys,
I really needed this support for my decision to wait; MS put the message on my computer that SP2 is ready to be downloaded , etc.  :)

Some people say they have downloaded it but have not installed it , intending to wait and see.
I wonder if that would work on my machine; if I should go ahead and let it download, would it not automatically install? ???
Title: Re:Window XP SP2 Final Release
Post by: MikeBCda on August 19, 2004, 05:37:46 PM
Hi all you Conservative guys,
I really needed this support for my decision to wait; MS put the message on my computer that SP2 is ready to be downloaded , etc.  :)

Some people say they have downloaded it but have not installed it , intending to wait and see.
I wonder if that would work on my machine; if I should go ahead and let it download, would it not automatically install? ???

Depends how your Auto-Update is set up.  If you check it, there's 3 options:

1)  Download and install automatically;
2)  Download automatically, and advise you there's an download ready to install;
3)  Advise you there's a new download available.

I use #3 myself, so I've got better control, or think I do.  In #2 and #3 you can decline to accept the new whatever, and if it's already been downloaded then it'll be deleted from your system.  (You can go back and get it again later, if you change your mind.)
Title: Re:Window XP SP2 Final Release
Post by: Sojourner on August 19, 2004, 07:08:24 PM
Thanks Mike,
That is the way I have mine set up; I just wonder if MS is going to keep bugging me about downloading SP2 now that it has announced it is ready to download.  ???
Title: Re:Window XP SP2 Final Release
Post by: S.Z.Craftec on August 19, 2004, 07:37:31 PM
If they announced it's ready, then it's ready... however, I'm sure we will see some patches in the future, so I guess it's normal when we talk about Windows. There is nothing inside SP2 that you should affraid of. I said to myself that I will wait as long as I can, but I decided to install it on my spare system just to test it. It works peerfect without any single glitch. I couldn't find any of those programs installed on that system having problems with SP2, and believe me there is bunch of different programs, from graphical applications, designing software, music composers to professional dtp software... Few days ago, I installed it on my primary PC and I'm so happy everything works great...

Cheers !
Title: Re:Window XP SP2 Final Release
Post by: Lisandro on August 19, 2004, 08:07:24 PM
If they announced it's ready, then it's ready... however, I'm sure we will see some patches in the future, so I guess it's normal when we talk about Windows.

This is Windowsland  8)

There is nothing inside SP2 that you should affraid of.

I feel the same - just what I read because it's not released in my language yet - but, a sad point: 840Mb of HDD will be 'eated' by SP2, ie, the difference of free disk before and after installing SP2...
Title: Re:Window XP SP2 Final Release
Post by: bob3160 on August 19, 2004, 08:21:34 PM
Technical,
A lot of that space is all the back-up files that are stored. If it wasn't such a pain in the a**, I'd do a slipdisk install of the operating system including SP2. The pain is that all the programs that have stuff burried in the windows folder would have to be re-installed.
Besides I still have lot's of free HD space. ;D
Title: Re:Window XP SP2 Final Release
Post by: Lisandro on August 19, 2004, 08:31:25 PM
Technical,
A lot of that space is all the back-up files that are stored. If it wasn't such a pain in the a**, I'd do a slipdisk install of the operating system including SP2.

I read that SP2 will have an option to 'hide' the hotfixes into Add/Remove program.
Will it let all uninstall folders into Windows subdirectory?
Before SP2, you can zip all of them and store it in a CD... It's not common have to uninstall any hotfix anyway...

The pain is that all the programs that have stuff burried in the windows folder would have to be re-installed.

Are you sure? This is very bad...  :P S**T  :(
Title: Re:Window XP SP2 Final Release
Post by: bob3160 on August 19, 2004, 08:49:28 PM
If I totally start from scratch, I'd get rid of the windows directory and do a new install. Doing an install on top of what's already there, wouldn't get rid of anything. It would prob. make it worse.
Title: Re:Window XP SP2 Final Release
Post by: Sojourner on August 19, 2004, 08:52:03 PM
Hey Technical,
That is no way for a sweet little blonde boy to think! :D
Title: Re:Window XP SP2 Final Release
Post by: Lisandro on August 19, 2004, 09:49:20 PM
If I totally start from scratch, I'd get rid of the windows directory and do a new install. Doing an install on top of what's already there, wouldn't get rid of anything. It would prob. make it worse.

I'm quite sure I won't do that...
I won't install all over just from the beginning, configure all...
This will be a nightmare  :P

Hey Technical,
That is no way for a sweet little blonde boy to think! :D

Sorry, I have to wash my mouth with soap  ;D
Title: Re:Window XP SP2 Final Release
Post by: Sojourner on August 19, 2004, 10:19:40 PM
All right, then ---
You are forgiven! :D
Title: Re:Window XP SP2 Final Release
Post by: Lisandro on August 20, 2004, 03:46:48 AM
Sojourner, your smile is almost like mine (or viveversa)  ;D
Did you notice that?  ;)
Title: Re:Window XP SP2 Final Release
Post by: Sojourner on August 20, 2004, 04:03:25 AM
Hi Technical,
You're right, if you are referring to the little blonde boy's smile; I think your smile grew up with you --- I'll go back and take a look --- maybe it is the same --- anyway, It's a nice smile, and if mine is almost like it, that is a compliment!  :D
Title: Re:Window XP SP2 Final Release
Post by: Lisandro on August 20, 2004, 04:06:39 AM
You're right, if you are referring to the little blonde boy's smile...

Yes, I was talking about me with 4 years old  ;)
Title: Re:Window XP SP2 Final Release
Post by: Sojourner on August 20, 2004, 04:12:11 AM
You should see my picture when I was two years old - it is really very much like your little blonde boy smile!
Title: Re:Window XP SP2 Final Release
Post by: Lisandro on August 20, 2004, 04:15:47 AM
You should see my picture when I was two years old - it is really very much like your little blonde boy smile!

Did you realize that it's me? I mean your little blonde boy smile is myself smile and not my son...
Title: Re:Window XP SP2 Final Release
Post by: Sojourner on August 20, 2004, 04:20:34 AM
Oh, yes, I know the little blonde boy is you --- I asked you when I joined the forum just a few days ago --- remember? :)
Title: Re:Window XP SP2 Final Release
Post by: Lisandro on August 20, 2004, 04:22:23 AM
Oh, yes, I know the little blonde boy is you --- I asked you when I joined the forum just a few days ago --- remember? :)

Right now, my memory is being defragmented  ;D
Oh, I remember now  8)
I'm going to change to Windows now... Wait 5 minutes...
Title: Re:Window XP SP2 Final Release
Post by: bob3160 on August 20, 2004, 02:51:55 PM
Technical
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Right now, my memory is being defragmented  
Your memory or your computers????? Or maybe both???? ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re:Window XP SP2 Final Release
Post by: Gene Johnson on August 24, 2004, 06:16:42 PM
I've been waiting to take the plunge to SP2. I thought I would wait until the auto download took place. Several days ago the "download updates" icon showed up in my system tray but has failed to download. I went to the Microsoft updates site and made sure my computer was ready to auto download. Still did not happen.

The Microsoft updates site says I must wait for the auto download. I so far have not found a way to do it manually. Does anyone know where I can download the released version? Google search keeps showing me the Beta and unreleased versions.
Title: Re:Window XP SP2 Final Release
Post by: Sojourner on August 24, 2004, 06:25:27 PM
Gene,
The exact same thing happened to me; it was supposed to Auto Download at 3:00 AM; nothing happened.
I decided the only thing to do is wait, but I am glad you posted; maybe someone Knows something.
Title: Re:Window XP SP2 Final Release
Post by: Eddy on August 24, 2004, 06:38:57 PM
Why searching on google when you know it is on the MS-webiste? Using their search engine seems more logical to me. Any way, first hit I got there was the download page for SP2 ;D


HERE (http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=049C9DBE-3B8E-4F30-8245-9E368D3CDB5A&displaylang=en) you go

Be prepaired to spend some time. It is 266.1 Mb ;)
Available in 6 languages.
Chinese (traditional)
Chinese (simplified)
English
French
German
Korean
Title: Re:Window XP SP2 Final Release
Post by: Gene Johnson on August 24, 2004, 06:48:36 PM
Eddy: I had already found that page. It says specifically NOT to download this for one computer. For one computer it sends you to the update page and says I must wait for the auto download. Thanks. Anymore suggestions?
Title: Re:Window XP SP2 Final Release
Post by: Eddy on August 24, 2004, 06:53:23 PM
So? It is a bit more extended than the install for home users. So what? Do you think the profs don't use this to install on one single comp? hahaha, trust me they do use it.
Title: Re:Window XP SP2 Final Release
Post by: Gene Johnson on August 24, 2004, 06:58:49 PM
Eddy: I'm not a prof. (I assume you mean a professional). I'm just a lay user.
Title: Re:Window XP SP2 Final Release
Post by: bob3160 on August 24, 2004, 07:16:22 PM
Sojourner
I only have one computer and that's the same download that I used. It's been working like a charm. :)
Title: Re:Window XP SP2 Final Release
Post by: Eddy on August 24, 2004, 07:24:02 PM
GeneJ, if even Bob ;) can do it. So can you ;D

No offense Bob, you gave the pass, I just scored ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re:Window XP SP2 Final Release
Post by: Gene Johnson on August 24, 2004, 07:24:04 PM
Bob: Are you saying to download and install the "Network Installation Package for IT Professionals and Developers" version?
Title: Re:Window XP SP2 Final Release
Post by: S.Z.Craftec on August 24, 2004, 07:51:07 PM
Yes, we all (pretty much all) did that. Why not ? What's wrong with that version ? Nothing, it's just little (pretty much, again) larger in phisical size... not good for dial-up users though...
Title: Re:Window XP SP2 Final Release
Post by: Sojourner on August 24, 2004, 11:20:14 PM
 :) My download should be finished in an hour, thanks to Eddy!  ;)
Will I get instructions at the end of this download about what to do next? Will I need someone to walk me through it? (like making decisions on different aspects of the finished, installed SP2?  ???)
Since this is said to be practically a new version, will I now have an XP Professional?  8)
Title: Re:Window XP SP2 Final Release
Post by: Gene Johnson on August 24, 2004, 11:33:33 PM
Download completed. No problems so far. Thanks for the walk through folks. Took 1 hr 50 mins even with dsl. I did a defrag before restarting online to clean things up. I turned off Windows firewall, I will depend on Zone Alarm. It was nice of Windows to tell me my avast was working properly and up to date.
Title: Re:Window XP SP2 Final Release
Post by: bob3160 on August 25, 2004, 01:26:34 AM
Sojourner,
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Since this is said to be practically a new version, will I now have an XP Professional?
Guess what, you'll have just what you had except :
Title: Re:Window XP SP2 Final Release
Post by: Sojourner on August 25, 2004, 01:45:27 AM
Oh!
Well, that makes sense! ;)
Now what about all those things that are allowed at Start-Up? Is there some way to know if each one needs to be on that list? I was afraid to say "No" to anything!  :-\
Title: Re:Window XP SP2 Final Release
Post by: bob3160 on August 25, 2004, 02:13:30 AM
Hi Sojourner,
This (http://www.blackviper.com/WinXP/winxp.htm) is always a pretty good place to start. Be prepared to stay a while.
Title: Re:Window XP SP2 Final Release
Post by: S.Z.Craftec on August 25, 2004, 02:21:30 AM
Bob, have you noticed few changes in Windows booting screen ? Process bar (animated gif) right below Windows logo became blue now. It was green before (green in Home Edition and it was always blue in Professional). Windows version logo is changed as well... there is no "Home Edition" wording any more. Same situation with Professional version... it just states " Windows XP"... no more Home Edition or Professional logo. Of course, inner difference in those two OS'es stays untouched.

Cheers !
Title: Re:Window XP SP2 Final Release
Post by: Staind on August 25, 2004, 05:47:54 AM
Microsoft screw up? ;)
Title: Re:Window XP SP2 Final Release
Post by: Gene Johnson on August 25, 2004, 09:19:15 AM
BlackViper has not released his settings for SP2 yet. His site says it is coming soon. I hope so!

So far the only change I have noticed is to Yahoo! e-mail addresses. They won't auto complete when composing an email. The approval screen does not pop-up like they say it will. I downloaded the Yahoo SP2 patch and I imagine in time I/they will get it straightened out.
Title: Re:Window XP SP2 Final Release
Post by: bob3160 on August 25, 2004, 02:07:24 PM
Gene,
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So far the only change I have noticed is to Yahoo! e-mail addresses. They won't auto complete when composing an email
That's a Yahoo issue it has nothing to do with XP2 at least not that I'm aware of.

Sasha I did notice those differences. I know I have the Home edition so the reminder was never needed anyway. ;D
Title: Re:Window XP SP2 Final Release
Post by: Sojourner on August 25, 2004, 04:04:48 PM
Gooood Morning,  :D
This is a beautiful day --- my computer is still here!
It still works!  :D :D
Microsoft might have screwed up but I don't know where --- the changed color was intended --- they did a fantastic job on this extensive update, ending it with a cleanup!  :D :D :D
Have a great day, Everyone!  :D :D :D :D
Title: Re:Window XP SP2 Final Release
Post by: SpeedyPC on August 26, 2004, 04:33:19 AM
Gooood Morning,  :D
This is a beautiful day --- my computer is still here!
It still works!  :D :D
Microsoft might have screwed up but I don't know where --- the changed color was intended --- they did a fantastic job on this extensive update, ending it with a cleanup!  :D :D :D
Have a great day, Everyone!  :D :D :D :D

When was the last time you gave Microsoft a "BIG LIPPA WET KISS" for a fantastic job on this extensive update, ending it with a cleanup!
Title: Re:Window XP SP2 Final Release
Post by: Sojourner on August 26, 2004, 05:29:42 AM


When was the last time you gave Microsoft a "BIG LIPPA WET KISS" for a fantastic job on this extensive update, ending it with a cleanup!

Hey, let's not go overboard here!  :-[
Title: Re:Window XP SP2 Final Release
Post by: Sojourner on August 27, 2004, 06:46:30 PM
And another good morning to all --- :)
I would like to report that Avast! scans as well as Ad-aware scans and disk cleaner (I think that is what it is called) all work on schedule now that I have SP2 --- I couldn't make the scheduled tasks work before, and just did it all manually; I couldn't figure out why Ad-aware was open on the monitor each morning, and when Avast! had done a scan last night some time, it dawned on me that they were scheduled and that is exactly what they were supposed to do.
Ta ta ta ta ta da!  :D