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Other => General Topics => Topic started by: Simion on December 24, 2010, 12:54:07 AM
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Please restrict your comments to DACS (Distributed and Collaborative Scanning).
http://www.melih.com/2010/12/23/anti-virus-companies-are-protecting-criminals-not-anymore-thanks-to-dacs/
http://forums.comodo.com/news-announcements-feedback-cis/dacs-released-distributed-and-collaborative-scanning-t66827.0.html
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Or try http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showthread.php?t=289508 for less raving and more information. Self aggrandization is just a way of life.
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Sounds like another white elephant but it appears to be sugar coated with the Comodo flavor so it must be good. :)
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Or try http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showthread.php?t=289508 for less raving and more information. Self aggrandization is just a way of life.
Thank you for the link, sded. TU I do use CIS 2011 for zero day protection, and have noticed a trend of Comodo using users as bots. Not good, IMO.
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Seems an on demand & cloud system.
The only unknown thing for me is If there is an unknown file in your computer then this gets sent to DACS community, the community scans it with their anti virus products and send the result back to you! Of course all this is done automatically
The community scans... You mean... Will I download a file and locally scan, returning (uploading) the results to the community?
[Source: http://www.melih.com/2010/12/23/anti-virus-companies-are-protecting-criminals-not-anymore-thanks-to-dacs/].
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@ Tech, Melih stated that DACS is more like P2P rather than cloud-based. Maybe this might help to understand the concept better. It seems that only the contributors scan the files. Normal CIS users just send the unknown files. Melih mentioned a "strict" qualification process in order to become a contributor, because they don't need any more.
A user using CIS will find an unknown file....
CIS passes it to DACS component...
DACS then sends it out to all other DACS contributors....
DACS contributors scan and send the result back to the user..
A DACS contributor has a software that he/she uses to work along with their AV product.
Why is this innovation?
its NOT a cloud based system per se.. its a p2p kind of system...
If you were to run a server based system, then you would require AV companies approval. But in a p2p environment, a user scanning a file then informing the community does not require the approval of the AV company. There is nothing stopping a user from saying: hey this file is not good.
source (http://forums.comodo.com/melihs-corner-ceo-talkdiscussionsblog/anti-virus-companies-are-protection-criminals-not-anymore-thanks-to-dacs-t66825.0.html;msg470166#msg470166)
GG
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Even though this is only an on demand system, isn't the sending of the file to all of the supporters repeated for each user who sees the unknown file as it evolves? And doesn't the user finding it in the first place require that he do regular on-demand scans? Since it is not an on access item, utility seems a bit limited. The lack of a Prevx-like data center seems a real disadvantage.
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Even though this is only an on demand system, isn't the sending of the file to all of the supporters repeated for each user who sees the unknown file as it evolves? And doesn't the user finding it in the first place require that he do regular on-demand scans? Since it is not an on access item, utility seems a bit limited. The lack of a Prevx-like data center seems a real disadvantage.
I'm not sure whether its on-demand or on-access... ??? This post (http://forums.comodo.com/melihs-corner-ceo-talkdiscussionsblog/anti-virus-companies-are-protection-criminals-not-anymore-thanks-to-dacs-t66825.0.html;msg470153#msg470153) by Melih in one of the threads, makes it seem like DACS is on-access and automatic.
Edit: Pretty sure its on-access now. Post (http://forums.comodo.com/melihs-corner-ceo-talkdiscussionsblog/anti-virus-companies-are-protection-criminals-not-anymore-thanks-to-dacs-t66825.0.html;msg470167#msg470167)
GG
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Melih mentioned a "strict" qualification process in order to become a contributor, because they don't need any more.
Strict? Is it only that the computer will be "available" for them to scan? I mean, download file, scan, upload results?
Its a p2p kind of system...
The smaller network, the more files you need to scan locally to upload the results...
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This is what Melih said in his post:
There is a very strict qualification process for the contributors. Because we want to make sure what is fed to the community is nothing but the best about the scan results. We don't want some "upset" people/companies to come be a contributor and start feeding false results. And also there really isn't a need for anymore than a handful number of people which we already have got..
Source (http://forums.comodo.com/melihs-corner-ceo-talkdiscussionsblog/anti-virus-companies-are-protection-criminals-not-anymore-thanks-to-dacs-t66825.0.html;msg470188#msg470188)
GG
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In the Wilders thread, Lord Raiden definitely said it was an on demand scanner although the text has been massaged a few times. Current quote is "DACS does not provide real time protection so it can not replace any AV". He has been asking questions over at the Comodo forum and sometimes getting vague answers, but this one seems solid. Context was about the size and bandwidth of an on access network like this that doesn't go through a data center-even Prevx has a whole lot of dedicated equipment. Seems like there is confusion at all levels though. Another quote is "Will be added to Comodo Internet Security in future versions but first will be avaliable on-demand as a standalone app" but questions about that don't seem to be answered-it is a much bigger deal.
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But questions about that don't seem to be answered-it is a much bigger deal.
Wait one month, let's the things calm down and we'll see what it is.
Right now, hype hype hype...
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restrict our comments to "DACS" or whatever the thing is called and means ? no way. That's too typical from Comodo to "sell" or attempt to sell empty stuff, they've been at that a few times already, so... anyway I already commented on that here:
http://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=68142.msg573288#msg573288
ps: if you guys over there at Comodo's don't want to hear comments that you don't like, you don't have to come post about your internal cooking here. That's not interesting, but I admit to have fun ;D
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@Logos: You might want to quote that post of yours since it's in the Café... Not everybody has access to that. ;D
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@Logos: You might want to quote that post of yours since it's in the Café... Not everybody has access to that. ;D
oh okay didn't realize that lol
yeah, and it's never been mentioned either that these cloud features in 5.1 and 6.0 would ever use "extra AV engines" ;D . I can't honestly see anything in the development of Avast that would remind me of this Comodo "duck" ;D Melih wants to save the world once again, is being demagogic ( http://bit.ly/f5YkwD ), and quacks like a... "DAC" :D
This said, AV companies may have agreements with VirusTotal for instance, while they sure don't with Comodo, and I wouldn't be surprised in a near future to hear that they've been sued for copyright infringement. Comodo is relying on the fact that "supposedly", an AV company doesn't own the output of its scans, and the fact that the end user in the DACS procedure will have to allow the scan (by other AV engines)... lol...this is what Melih will tell the court : "users allowed the scans to happen, not Comodo" :D
edit: can't leave that without adding that Comodo may have finally found something to save its AV reputation, use the products from other companies ::) This is despicable.
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DACS ? Should be SSFOA(stealing signatures from other AV's).. ;D That's theft imho and also quite despicable as logos puts it...
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DACS ? Should be SSFOA(stealing signatures from other AV's).. ;D That's theft imho and also quite despicable as logos puts it...
Like IObit had stolen Malwarebytes' database and incorporated it into their software.
???
http://forums.malwarebytes.org/index.php?showtopic=33217
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Yes it's quite obvious that they are incapable of producing a decent AV themselves so they resort to another method, stealing detections from other AV's...
End user has AV xx installed on his system and wishes to participate in DACS for the good of the community. They will install a plugin that allows communication with DACS (through EasyVPN).
Now when a Comodo user scans a file that is unknown, DACS will send this file to the participants with various AV's installed. Those AV's will scan the file, and the result is sent back to DACS. DACS in turn will gather results from all of the supported AV's.
quoted from here:
http://forums.comodo.com/news-announcements-feedback-cis/dacs-released-distributed-and-collaborative-scanning-t66827.0.html;msg470098#msg470098
I don't care how Melih(he is a bit crazy if you ask me) tries to justify this, it's stealing from others and that's that. Even if it's somehow legal(which i doubt), it's at the very least completely unethical.
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They're sharing the infected files (malicious code) not the definitions.
The malicious code copyright is difficult to defend...
If you want to disagree, do it reasonably.
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They're sharing the infected files (malicious code) not the definitions.
The malicious code copyright is difficult to defend...
If you want to disagree, do it reasonably.
unless the participants found a way to scan files without using the original AV software technologies, and centralize the results in DACS, a Comodo labeled product right?
Sounds like Comodo may have acquired Immunet? :D (I don't care if there are differences or not, it's the same concept)
is that more reasonable?
End user has AV xx installed on his system and wishes to participate in DACS for the good of the community. They will install a plugin that allows communication with DACS (through EasyVPN).
Now when a Comodo user scans a file that is unknown, DACS will send this file to the participants with various AV's installed. Those AV's will scan the file, and the result is sent back to DACS. DACS in turn will gather results from all of the supported AV's.
... now it would get funny if all participants were using Comodo AV ;D ... which is very likely to happen. I mean for instance would you expect me as an Avast user to participate in a Comodo program? for the safety of mankind may be? no freakin' way :D get a life Comodo ;)
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How does virustotal own the files and the scanning results?
This is just another Comodo hype about a way to improve their own detection rate and, of course, protect better your products users.
The technology is interesting. The users have their own antivirus license. They're sharing the results.
What I can't see is that this will be better for non-Comodo users like virustotal.
For Comodo users, of course, this is a great advantage.
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How does virustotal own the files and the scanning results?
that's what I said in one of my previous posts here, VirusTotal may have (not a 100% sure about that) an agreement with security software companies, while Comodo, being a security software company themselves, obviously doesn't and cannot.
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I heard that Comodo has patented DACS ;D
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I figured out what those letters actually stand for:
Display Another Companies Scan (and claim it as you own.) ;D
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Thanks to all who have contributed. There are still many unanswered questions about DACS, but if it can increase overall user security it may be worth a shot. Afterall, individually, signature based AV's are losing the anti-malware war. As in, there is currently no single AV program with 100% detection.
What I can't see is that this will be better for non-Comodo users like virustotal.
We are more than happy to give all respectable AV companies the DACS. So its not just Comodo users who benefit from it, but everyone! lordraiden quoting Melih
Source (http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showpost.php?p=1802617&postcount=84)
Peace and Merry Christmas to all.
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I figured out what those letters actually stand for:
Display Another Companies Scan (and claim it as you own.) ;D
How about this bob Despise Antivirus Companies Scams
and use them against them.
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quotes of the day ;D
http://bit.ly/eDiCIE
Why would you pay a "Security company" for forcing you to be "less secure" by forcing you not to use DACS?
http://bit.ly/hToEEa
who would want to pay to a "security company" for them "trying to reduce your security"?
I guess I would add another option to the title of this thread :D
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quotes of the day ;D
http://bit.ly/eDiCIE
Why would you pay a "Security company" for forcing you to be "less secure" by forcing you not to use DACS?
http://bit.ly/hToEEa
who would want to pay to a "security company" for them "trying to reduce your security"?
I guess I would add another option to the title of this thread :D
All those other vendors forcing people to be less secure. What a crazy world. We all better pay close attention to the oracle of overstatement, lest we... er, um, manage to survive without Comodo DACS.
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yeah the guy is purely and simply attempting to brainwash his fans with the stupidest arguments and lies one can imagine. He's also a desperate manager it seems... could be the sign of an upcoming bankruptcy. To be honest I'm a bit surprised that it hasn't happened yet.
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I might not be there long: ;D
https://forums.comodo.com/news-announcements-feedback-cis/whats-dacs-and-what-does-it-stand-for-t65415.0.html;msg472692#msg472692 (https://forums.comodo.com/news-announcements-feedback-cis/whats-dacs-and-what-does-it-stand-for-t65415.0.html;msg472692#msg472692)
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I might not be there long: ;D
https://forums.comodo.com/news-announcements-feedback-cis/whats-dacs-and-what-does-it-stand-for-t65415.0.html;msg472692#msg472692 (https://forums.comodo.com/news-announcements-feedback-cis/whats-dacs-and-what-does-it-stand-for-t65415.0.html;msg472692#msg472692)
reading now ;D
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I have not liked Comodo since seeing these items:
Comodo continues to ignore malware warnings ....
http://hphosts.blogspot.com/2009/07/comodo-continues-to-ignore-malware.html
Comodo: Watch your staff please (oh and a little correction)
Not content with Melih's blaming MS MVP, Donna Buenaventura for a blog posting by someone else, one of Melih's moderators have gone one step further and posted;
"We should hack her site and post the truth"
http://hphosts.blogspot.com/2009/07/comodo-watch-your-staff-please-oh-and.html
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Also an interesting point... (http://support.emsisoft.com/topic/3196-dacs/)
asyn
This is my personal opinion and not necessarily the opinion of Emsi Software. The main issue I have with DACS are privacy concerns. It is true that DACS will only upload executable files. But even executable files can cause a privacy risk. Ever shared a self-extracting archive of your latest vacation photos with your not so tech-savvy family? Guess what ... that self-extracting archive fully classifies as an "unknown executable" and will get uploaded without your consent.
Now you could argue that Hitman for example does something very similar. But there are differences. The most important one is that I can stop the upload of files. I can decide what should be uploaded and what shouldn't. In addition the file is processed by Surfright exclusively. If they leak the file I upload or somehow abuse it I can sue them. I can't sue Comodo. Why? Because Comodo doesn't process the files sent to DACS. They don't even get a copy of it. All they get is the results provided by the volunteers that have the actual scanner installed on their system. They essentially just provide the infrastructure. So my file gets distributed to potentially dozens of persons that I don't even know. I guess it would take only minutes for a volunteer to change their system settings so they can actually prevent the files sent to them from being deleted by the DACS client software. So there is the real possibility for abuse and there most likely would be no way for me to take legal actions in case any abuse actually happens.
While the idea itself has potential I really doubt that those privacy concerns could be addressed. The only way I see is if Comodo performs all scans themselves and take legal liability for abuse similar to the way Surfright does. If they do so though they open themselves up for law suites by AV vendors. To avoid that they will only be able to use scanners of vendors they were able to arrange an agreement with. That number of vendors will most likely be a lot less than it is now which in turn would defeat the purpose of DACS in the first place which is to get as many opinions about a file as possible.
So I see a lot of issues with it. If they somehow manage to solve those issues it can be a great on-demand tool. But I doubt they will be.
Best regards,
Fabian Wosar [Development]
Emsisoft Team - www.emsisoft.com
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this is a supposed to be a "CEO" posting here, unable to keep his distance, being hysterical basically... (yeah, I don't think a company leader should be involved at all on a public forum that he owns...for obvious reasons)
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another quoted masterpiece ;D
... you can't see the problem that the world is facing in the hands of the AV companies....even MS was forced to build its own AV engine...ask yourself as to why?
http://bit.ly/ijFOHy
so WTF do you need to use their engines hey? ...
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Well now you have done it, Logos and Bob, you got us dismissed out of hand ;) http://forums.comodo.com/news-announcements-feedback-cis/whats-dacs-and-what-does-it-stand-for-t65415.0.html;msg472810#msg472810 . Fortunately my stay at Comodo was brief. It took about 3 months as a mod before Melih created the OA bribery fiasco and I began looking for another Firewall that supported Vista. Indeed Melih ambushed me about one of my remarks after I had already removed Comodo from all my machines and we had a rather acrimonious discussion of my support to the users vs my lack of support to some Comodo issues and to the more bizarre things Melih had already done. Comments like "not willing to be a pimp for Comodo" probably didn't sit well. But I refused to back down from my comments he had collected like "Comodo is notoriously difficult to remove" and he refused to back down on things like his accusations of OA bribery, feuds, SSUpdater support, ... He asked why I was still there; I told him that the way things were going I probably shouldn't be. So I deleted my account and he vacuously made me an unmod. No reason for a grudge; I was gone anyway. Rather I am disappointed in the path Comodo has taken but not surprised at Melih. I think Melih could do a lot of good for the community, but not by refusing to accept that we are all in this together-"Comodo against the world" needs to be toned down somehow.
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@sded: I have no idea why melih preferred to understand that I was referring to you when I mentioned the starter of this thread (here) ;D... when I of course meant Simion. I didn't correct him, as I hate posting there. It's very likely that the OP of the current Avast thread was sent over by Comodo so... the guy can't even admit that.
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I've also made my last post since closed minds don't seem to recognize constructive criticism
regardless which forum it's posted on. :)
Unfortunately when you continue to argue with a fool, eventually you start to sound foolish. ;D
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in answer to:
It's very simple! Such a hostile reaction from other manufacturers of anti-virus programs and their supporters on a new concept (technology - DACS) identify and destroy viruses shows that the Comodo has created a truly unique thing that other AV manufacturers could not come up with . Of course they will bite a long and painful
>>> Comodo is not coming up with anything, that's the problem, and that's why they're "producing" ten new crap apps a month ::)
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I've also made my last post ....
yeah, that's why I just gave them the link here and basta... Comodo is a dead end street.
Again, they knew about this thread here before, as I'm pretty sure that they asked the OP to start it. I just thought that posting a reminder there... ;D
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this one sounds like a scientologist to me ;D
Better help Comodo to support the universal, global and free attack for malware.
ps: never mind what it means, or is supposed to mean :D
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nice :D
Anti Virus Companies are Protecting Criminals! Not anymore thanks to DACS!
by Melih Abdulhayoğlu
http://bit.ly/f5YkwD
https://twitter.com/melih_Comodo/status/18027970635501568
(edit: I admit I didn't even bother to read that page when it was posted in the first post of this thread; just heard about it again on Twitter)
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I've also made my last post ....
yeah, that's why I just gave them the link here and basta... Comodo is a dead end street.
Again, they knew about this thread here before, as I'm pretty sure that they asked the OP to start it. I just thought that posting a reminder there... ;D
Sorry but I needed just one more. ;D
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Very funny I have to say... :)
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I think if Avast think this is illegal, they should go to a court and sue them.......
I think we shouldn't post and debate with Melih even though we might be on the right side
Let the law go after them......
And, Bob, you must stop, because Melih might blow this out of proposition and even start a blog post, he never misses a chance to act like a communist leader....:P
Just like they made a big show with Symantec and challenged them
Just my opinion ofcourse
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Pretty coherent and concise description of how DACS works by Panic, a Comodo mod, at http://forums.comodo.com/news-announcements-feedback-cis/whats-dacs-and-what-does-it-stand-for-t65415.0.html;msg473027#msg473027 . Agrees with my previous understanding, but note the attempt to finesse the license issue by referring to the "P2P" instead of the "P2P network" (see Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peer-to-peer for example). Other than conspiracy, I think we understood DACS was merely the transport mechanism, but avoiding calling the nodes of the P2P network "AV servers" also takes a bit of practice. But again, for the lawyers. :)
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Oh my Gosh... just had a look on Comodo forum right now and it seems that everybody it's against Bob and most of them without reason whatsoever.
And this quote actually made my day.
Competitors are angry, it means the Comodo on the right track
Edit:
And the attach just says that Melih likes to joke with all of the situation...
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Normally that crap would be moderated, but everyone is afraid to cross Melih. Other mods and I used to discuss (privately, of course) that Melih would be banned for life if he didn't own the site. ;)
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Normally that crap would be moderated, but everyone is afraid to cross Melih. Other mods and I used to discuss (privately, of course) that Melih would be banned for life if he didn't own the site. ;)
For me, it's a matter of confidence. Will acting this way attract confidence to the product? To the company?
It's a style. Of course, no all will agree with this style.
I wish Steckler is more active in the Evangelists board of avast forum :)
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Pretty coherent and concise description of how DACS works by Panic, a Comodo mod, at http://forums.comodo.com/news-announcements-feedback-cis/whats-dacs-and-what-does-it-stand-for-t65415.0.html;msg473027#msg473027 .
Ewen (a.k.a. Panic) is the best Moderator of Comodo forum, by a long distance.
He has all my respect.
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Very funny I have to say... :)
hmm... to be honest I wouldn't mind Avast to react at least to the title of this blog post already mentioned twice here (including once by me):
http://www.melih.com/2010/12/23/anti-virus-companies-are-protecting-criminals-not-anymore-thanks-to-dacs/
yeah... on the other side the statements there sound so sick that it may be wiser to officially ignore.
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I wish Steckler is more active in the Evangelists board of avast forum :)
I deeply disagree with that. A company CEO messing around 24/7 on a public forum like Abdulhayoğlu does is a sign of weakness. The guy is a clown, making himself more ridiculous each times he posts about his theories, whether on his forums, or his blog.
(I do agree about Ewen (Panic), he's a nice guy, great sense of humor, rather smart, but weirdly sticking with Comodo...okay, that's his life ::) )
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I deeply disagree with that. A company CEO messing around 24/7 on a public forum like Abdulhayoğlu does is a sign of weakness. The guy is a clown, making himself more ridiculous each times he posts about his theories, whether on his forums, or his blog.
Who is asking to Steckler act like Melih? ;)
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hmm... to be honest I wouldn't mind Avast to react at least to the title of this blog post already mentioned twice here (including once by me):
http://www.melih.com/2010/12/23/anti-virus-companies-are-protecting-criminals-not-anymore-thanks-to-dacs/
yeah... on the other side the statements there sound so sick that it may be wiser to officially ignore.
Well, what's there to react to? Donno what planet this guy is living on, but AV companies do share the samples - for years. Whether it's in "real time", or with some delay - that's another question, but the delays are not caused by marketing reasons, but simply by the fact that the samples are so many that it's kinda hard to get them, store them, process them somehow (not to share some useless garbage) and then distribute them to tens of other vendors. There are movements (or attempts at least) to improve the process somehow... but it's not something you can do in a day.
(E.g. Mr. Gryaznov occasionally presents nice talks (http://www.virusbtn.com/conference/vb2010/abstracts/Gryaznov.xml) on this topic.)
So yes, it's pretty funny... AV companies are trying hard to process all the samples they get - and they will keep the samples for themselves? The opposite is better - share them, thus overloading the others even more ;D
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Well, what's there to react to?
...to the fact that the guy claims AV companies are protecting criminals ;) (even if that's indirectly, in his view)...that's insane...not mentioning that he uses the claim to promote his product.
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Vince, Ondrej, etc, should just sit back and watch the show.
It suits only the purposes of Comodo's CEO to be seen to be being attacked on every side, to be the perpetual victim.
When a competitor behaves like a fool, you just have to wait and trust that his/her folly will become common knowledge. Getting involved just elevates the perceived importance of the issue and lowers your own public respect.
I still think it more likely that DACS wil die due to lack of interest rather than any legal action. Whether it's been developed as an extra tool in the malware fighter's armory, or as a vehicle for yet another attention seeking rant by Comodo's CEO, DACS itself is a clever idea... but then so was flying planes into the World Trade Centre.
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So, This moron isn't afraid of lawyers. Let's hope he adds MSE to his DACS. Microsoft would throw so many lawyers at him that he wouldn't know which way to turn.
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http://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=52252.msg575515#msg575515
:D
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@Logos
Your life, your choices. ;)
Just remember. Fan the flames and you may get burnt.
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@Logos
Your life, your choices. ;)
Just remember. Fan the flames and you may get burnt.
by what ???
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http://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=52252.msg575515#msg575515
:D
Wow... Really? This is becoming really dirty. :o
I think some of us need to relax a bit about this all DACS & Comodo situation... I know it's hard. I used to have Comodo Firewall but already get rid of it. So my suggestion for now, it's relax and let Comodo go on with DACS, etc.
The moment will arrive eventually...
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Hi Logos
See my earlier post (http://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=68145.msg575433#msg575433) and Silk0's above.
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http://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=52252.msg575515#msg575515
:D
Wow... Really? This is becoming really dirty. :o
I think some of us need to relax a bit about this all DACS & Comodo situation... I know it's hard. I used to have Comodo Firewall but already get rid of it. So my suggestion for now, it's relax and let Comodo go on with DACS, etc.
The moment will arrive eventually...
+1 Come on guys cool off other this thread will get locked sooner or later ;)
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Sorry Logos,
Banning for not agreeing with someone's (forums) philosophy isn't a good idea.
It would put us in the same class.
If the site where actually dangerous and visiting it would cause a security risk, then by all means,
banning would be justified but, that's not the case.
On a personal basis, we all choose where we post and what we avoid and that's the way it should be.
avast!'s job is to keep us away from sites that infect our computer and it's doing an excellent job. :)
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Sorry Logos,
Banning for not agreeing with someone's (forums) philosophy isn't a good idea.
It would put us in the same class.
If the site where actually dangerous and visiting it would cause a security risk, then by all means,
banning would be justified but, that's not the case.
On a personal basis, we all choose where we post and what we avoid and that's the way it should be.
avast!'s job is to keep us away from sites that infect our computer and it's doing an excellent job. :)
Bob Comodo does the same thing to keep us away from sites that infect our computer that is why they offer free Comodo Secure DNS in their free version it call 'Comodo Premium', and Bob I've read your trolls at Comodo forum sound like you're starting a war over there ;) ;D you better cool off for a while Bob otherwise you'll have a heart attack ;D
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Sorry Logos,
Banning for not agreeing with someone's (forums) philosophy isn't a good idea.
It would put us in the same class.
If the site where actually dangerous and visiting it would cause a security risk, then by all means,
banning would be justified but, that's not the case.
On a personal basis, we all choose where we post and what we avoid and that's the way it should be.
avast!'s job is to keep us away from sites that infect our computer and it's doing an excellent job. :)
Bob Comodo does the same thing to keep us away from sites that infect our computer that is why they offer free Comodo Secure DNS in their free version it call 'Comodo Premium', and Bob I've read your trolls at Comodo forum sound like you're starting a war over there ;) ;D you better cool off for a while Bob otherwise you'll have a heart attack ;D
Didn't realize that you where one of their fan boys ???
Also didn't realize that speaking the truth is considered trolling ???
Almost sounds like Melih has you brainwashed too. :(
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Sorry Logos,
Banning for not agreeing with someone's (forums) philosophy isn't a good idea.
I don't agree with you Bob, I adopted this intolerant attitude since they started to call all AV companies criminal protectors (see abdulah's blog post ::) ) while they don't mind using these same AV's engines in their bloody DACS thing. I'm actually calling for a Comodo boycott, more will follow on Twitter and elsewhere. One can't allow a security software company treating all others like crap while again, using their work.
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Logos,
I don't disagree with you in your assessment of their business practices.
Or their scruples. :(
my point is simply that the website itself poses no danger to your computer and therefore
shouldn't be blocked.
That's not the job of your antivirus program.
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since they will be using other AVs technologies - just on P2P mode according to Ewen (comodo mod), with no centralized server - but with CIS using DACS results according to Abdulah'
http://forums.comodo.com/news-announcements-feedback-cis/whats-dacs-and-what-does-it-stand-for-t65415.0.html;msg473027#msg473027
There is no centralized server. The file is not being scanned across a network, it is only being distributed by a network. The copyrighted technologies of the other AVs are not being appropriated by Comodo, only the results.
http://forums.comodo.com/news-announcements-feedback-cis/dacs-released-distributed-and-collaborative-scanning-t66827.0.html;msg470176#msg470176
CIS will use DACS... you can simply use CIS to take advantage of DACS.
okay so considering all this, I can see no reason to exclude Comodo using the AV tools that I got.
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And that's it... Melih seems to like write: "Shame on you".
Let's behave and chill out like already said.. let Comodo with DACS alone and let Time do his job.
By the way, if you are asking if i'm a Comodo fan boy, i only got one answer:
Fanboyism don't appears on my dictionary
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Banning for not agreeing with someone's (forums) philosophy isn't a good idea.
It would put us in the same class.
Agree.
If the site where actually dangerous and visiting it would cause a security risk, then by all means,
banning would be justified but, that's not the case.
Agree.
Didn't realize that you where one of their fan boys ???
Not every user of Comodo is a Comodo fanboy.
Not every user of avast is an avast fanboy.
Bob, you can't call fanboy to each one on the other side of the fence.
Also didn't realize that speaking the truth is considered trolling ???
I agree with you when you were considered as a troll and you're not.
Should I post it there? I've considered as you're my friend, I know (something) of you and you're not a troll.
But would it worth? If you think so, I could do it there.
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Didn't realize that you where one of their fan boys ???
Also didn't realize that speaking the truth is considered trolling ???
Almost sounds like Melih has you brainwashed too. :(
Bob I haven't been brainwashed just because I'm using Comodo Firewall that doesn't mean I'm fanboy read my sig carefully, Melih doesn't know how to attack my brain or try to Hypnotist me he not that bloody tough.
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I think this smacks more and more of yet another Comodo publicity campaign with little relevance. I wouldn't give them any more publicity. If any of the security companies object to what they are doing, let them send a "cease and desist" and take it from there, but I would not even view it as a threat to VT and Jotti. The privacy arguments I think are good ones that will keep many from using such a service. Those who wish can have as much fun as they need to using it to play with big globs of malware; I don't have anything like that, just an occasional file I don't understand and already have various good tools to treat. Another disappointment from an over-hyped Comodo product. Worrying about Melihs criminal allegations is silly; just makes him look more like a raving lunatic. Let Melih and the buttboys have their fun. And use the tool if it suits you.
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Speedy,
Glad to hear that and accept my apologies if my remarks to you offended you. :'(
Tech,
Don't bother posting it would only fall of def ears.
Anything you post on their forum that doesn't suit Melih's whim will only be sneered at.
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Speedy,
Glad to hear that and accept my apologies if my remarks to you offended you. :'(
It okay Bob you didn't upset me it cool relax ;), I was worried about you driving in between two different forum and starting a war like Avast vs Comodo............Please Bob cool off otherwise I will loose Avast Grandpa Bob ;)
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Tech just stop posting on Comodo DACS topic... :\
It will create more mess and more 'Shame on you' by Melih.
I'm sure that Avast! staff is watching this... don't worry. ;)
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Speedy,
Glad to hear that and accept my apologies if my remarks to you offended you. :'(
It okay Bob you didn't upset me it cool relax ;), I was worried about you driving in between two different forum and starting a war like Avast vs Comodo............Please Bob cool off otherwise I will loose Avast Grandpa Bob ;)
I'm not starting a war. ;D Someone there just can't stand when someone tells the truth and it isn't to their liking.
Your not loosing me and I'll just let Melih keep telling his little stories to those sheep that swallow every word that comes out of his mouth.
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The ironic part in all this is that I actually recommend the Comodo Firewall
as one of the free firewalls to use and I'll still continue to do so since it's a
good free product. :) (Wonder if this will also get reported on their forum ??? )
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The ironic part in all this is that I actually recommend the Comodo Firewall
as one of the free firewalls to use and I'll still continue to do so since it's a
good free product. :) (Wonder if this will also get reported on their forum ??? )
Bob are you saying you're currently using Comodo Firewall Free together with your Avast AV Free ??? ??? ??? ??? ???
OR are you using Window 7 firewall
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The ironic part in all this is that I actually recommend the Comodo Firewall
as one of the free firewalls to use and I'll still continue to do so since it's a
good free product. :) (Wonder if this will also get reported on their forum ??? )
Bob are you saying you're currently using Comodo Firewall Free together with your Avast AV Free ??? ??? ??? ??? ???
No I didn't say that. I said that I'm recommending the free Comodo Firewall as one of the products to use when asked which
firewall should I install or, do I really need a firewall. I'm often asked those questions while doing the avast! Security Seminar because
a firewall is an essential part or your overall computer security requirement.
I use the firewall that comes with Windows 7.
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yeah I forgot to post about that, something that Igor posted yesterday here, and I heard that before long ago, AV companies have been indeed sharing samples for ages, just not to serve a company's interest, but global protection.
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Has Melih gone totally off his rocker ???
Melih has removed all the OFF the topic crap from https://forums.comodo.com/news-announcements-feedback-cis/dacs-released-distributed-and-collaborative-scanning-t66827.0.html;msg473622#msg473622 (https://forums.comodo.com/news-announcements-feedback-cis/dacs-released-distributed-and-collaborative-scanning-t66827.0.html;msg473622#msg473622)
To a new topic call Bob, who accepted a Job to promote AVAST, is coming to our forums to bad mouth us - 2
https://forums.comodo.com/news-announcements-feedback-cis/bob-who-accepted-a-job-to-promote-avast-is-coming-to-our-forums-to-bad-mouth-us-2-t67144.0.html;msg473046#msg473046 (https://forums.comodo.com/news-announcements-feedback-cis/bob-who-accepted-a-job-to-promote-avast-is-coming-to-our-forums-to-bad-mouth-us-2-t67144.0.html;msg473046#msg473046)
I have no intentions of giving him the satisfactions of a reply. That kind of stupidity doesn't need a reply, it speaks for itself. :(
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when paranoia meets stupidity, that's the result ::) You're just dirtying yourself Abdulhayoğlu ;)
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Looks like another new low. :-[ But let him rave on and be ignored by most; much ado about nothing. Probably angry after Tech quoted numbers that showed what a pissant operation he was compared to Avast!, which is not even the biggest out there. And that Avast! trades virus data with their colleagues in the business as well as giving away over 120M copies of their AV. Avast! seems to be a particular thorn, btw, because of the large contingent of FW/D+ users who make it their free AV of choice. :)
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Tech,
Don't bother posting it would only fall of def ears.
Anything you post on their forum that doesn't suit Melih's whim will only be sneered at.
I'm trying... but the temptation to seek the truth is higher than my own forces ;D
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And that Avast! trades virus data with their colleagues in the business as well as giving away over 120M copies of their AV.
130 Millions
http://www.avast.com/security-software-home-office
http://www.avast.com/about#tab4
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Tech just stop posting on Comodo DACS topic... :\
Only if I get banned or do not want to rectify if I'm wrong.
It will create more mess and more 'Shame on you' by Melih.
This is not my intention.
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(Wonder if this will also get reported on their forum ??? )
Ironically, yes, they laugh on this.
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Something that Igor posted yesterday here, and I heard that before long ago, AV companies have been indeed sharing samples for ages, just not to serve a company's interest, but global protection.
Exactly, and not just the free ones.
One of the most collaborative company with avast is a paid (and serious) one :)
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Tech just stop posting on Comodo DACS topic... :\
Only if I get banned or do not want to rectify if I'm wrong.
Tech be very careful what you wish for at Comodo 8)
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Tech,
The only winning post on their forum is to not post!
I'm the one they are trying to goat into posting and boy would I like to >:( but,
it serves no purpose other than playing into their hands.
Stay away and allow them to continue to make fools out of themselves. :)
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From my reading of this, it is like uploading a file to Virus total and then scanning it with all other AV's - but the difference is that the file is not shared, it is kept within one company. To me that does not sound right or ethical
End of rant ;D
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BTW
I heard that some guys claim that the AV industry is working towards creating a "realtime sharing" and claims that its difficult to achieve.
Well...2 ways to achieve that...either share the samples or the results...They both achieve the same purpose for the end users.
DACS is available to any AV company for them to use. We will give them a license for free! And run the service for them for free
Also I heard that someone says that we don't want to spend money and don't want to create our own signatures hence we launched DACS.
My answer: Any AV company can send us their samples and we will generate the signatures for them for FREE! Yes, we will take on the cost of analysing and generating signatures for them for free!
Melih
Smart move I must say as Melih is thinking really quick and smart 8)....................any way it time for me to shut up and don't get involved 8) 8)
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Sounds more like a desperate move to me. :)
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Sounds more like a desperate move to me. :)
You reckon Bob 8)........................Maybe have to wait and see 8) 8)
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time for a little fun... following pics are showing:
1 a "Komodo" CEO at work
2 his forum herd playing (not sure what they're doing tbh ;D )
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LMAO! @Logos careful that long tail can give you a nasty whip ;D
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Please don't pick on the poor Comodo Dragon, it's not his fault. :)
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Has Melih gone totally off his rocker ???
Melih has removed all the OFF the topic crap from https://forums.comodo.com/news-announcements-feedback-cis/dacs-released-distributed-and-collaborative-scanning-t66827.0.html;msg473622#msg473622 (https://forums.comodo.com/news-announcements-feedback-cis/dacs-released-distributed-and-collaborative-scanning-t66827.0.html;msg473622#msg473622)
To a new topic call Bob, who accepted a Job to promote AVAST, is coming to our forums to bad mouth us - 2
https://forums.comodo.com/news-announcements-feedback-cis/bob-who-accepted-a-job-to-promote-avast-is-coming-to-our-forums-to-bad-mouth-us-2-t67144.0.html;msg473046#msg473046 (https://forums.comodo.com/news-announcements-feedback-cis/bob-who-accepted-a-job-to-promote-avast-is-coming-to-our-forums-to-bad-mouth-us-2-t67144.0.html;msg473046#msg473046)
I have no intentions of giving him the satisfactions of a reply. That kind of stupidity doesn't need a reply, it speaks for itself. :(
About the topic about Bob... what can i say...? Hmmm... i would say: What the hell is going over Melih's mind?
And to be sincere: This all mess between Avast! vs. COMODO doesn't have the minimal of sense in my opinion.
It's better to back off and let this for once... Time will do his job and eventually turn this upside down (about Comodo situation) and I'm gonna laugh...
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this whole idea behind "trusted volunteers" running all the scanning seems a bit suspicious to me, u could look at it as a legal smokescreen because having real computer users with their AV's being the scanners just doesnt make sense and heres why.
Say for example that you are the volunteer and ur using Norton as ur AV. so someone submits a file to be scanned and thru the P2P network it gets written to ur disk (it has to, ther wuld be no other way to scan it). Let's say the file recieved by ur computer is actual malware, that means Norton would popup alerts at u letting u know in realtime, multiply this by however many potential hundreds to thousands of users submitting files to be scanned through DACS, the volunteers computers would be completely unusable from constant AV alerts.
Its simply impractical with the system Comodo is saying, thats why it feels like the idea of these "trusted volunteers" is simply a legal smokescreen for a bunch of machines Comodo has themselves which are simply scanning on-demand, not real volunteers who have AV's installed and running on their systems like implied by Comodo just to get past legal obligations. just sounds like one big coverup to me.
I don't trust them, they are being very vague and using dishonest business practices. but i guess we will see how it unfolds in the end.
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One interesting post at Wilders which may be a consideration
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What if the file your talking about essexboy is one that Norton doesn't yet detect ???
Does that mean that this trusted volunteer now has an infected computer ???
We all know that there is no perfect AV.
(I see that wilders has now closed that Threat.)
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very good and interesting thinking from that poster essexboy, as melih said himself:
CIS will use DACS... you can simply use CIS to take advantage of DACS. You don't need to be a contributor. We have enough contributors already and not looking for anymore tbh.
Melih
http://forums.comodo.com/news-announcements-feedback-cis/dacs-released-distributed-and-collaborative-scanning-t66827.0.html;msg470176#msg470176
... this reminds me of something I said in the beginning of this thread here, if sued, Comodo will argue "it's not us, it's the users" ... while hiding behind that smoke screen and having Comodo computers at work and using the AV's output for the benefit of... CIS.
edit: and reading Ewen's post, "users" will effectively transmit files to each other, without the use or need of a centrlized server >>> this would be completely suicidal on a big scale. ... meaning that it won't happen that way at all of course ;D
http://forums.comodo.com/news-announcements-feedback-cis/whats-dacs-and-what-does-it-stand-for-t65415.0.html;msg473027#msg473027
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What if the file your talking about essexboy is one that Norton doesn't yet detect ???
Does that mean that this trusted volunteer now has an infected computer ???
according to Ewen's post (see my link above), technically the files are transmitted from peer to peer, not just the output of a scan as I first thought (I should have read his post with more patience in the first place)... so yes a participant's computer can get infected. But that won't happen, because the circle of participant is just a few users, already selected ;D
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And that Avast! trades virus data with their colleagues in the business as well as giving away over 120M copies of their AV.
130 Millions
http://www.avast.com/security-software-home-office
http://www.avast.com/about#tab4
Correcting myself: 141+ Million users http://www.avast.com/community
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I was referencing the free ones-something well over 90% of the total, per Vlk.
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Does that mean that this trusted volunteer now has an infected computer ???
The file would be kept into the DACS technology and wouldn't be available to the users' computer.
I mean, this is the minimum I would guarantee, if not, it's a madness.
"trusted volunteers" is simply a legal smokescreen for a bunch of machines Comodo has themselves which are simply scanning on-demand, not real volunteers who have AV's installed and running on their systems like implied by Comodo just to get past legal obligations. just sounds like one big coverup to me.
If so, a reason to immediately abandon Comodo.
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Does that mean that this trusted volunteer now has an infected computer ???
The file would be kept into the DACS technology and wouldn't be available to the users' computer.
I mean, this is the minimum I would guarantee, if not, it's a madness.
"trusted volunteers" is simply a legal smokescreen for a bunch of machines Comodo has themselves which are simply scanning on-demand, not real volunteers who have AV's installed and running on their systems like implied by Comodo just to get past legal obligations. just sounds like one big coverup to me.
If so, a reason to immediately abandon Comodo.
You finaly come to this realization ???
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You finaly come to this realization ???
I've wrote IF...
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https://forums.comodo.com/news-announcements-feedback-cis/bob-who-accepted-a-job-to-promote-avast-is-coming-to-our-forums-to-bad-mouth-us-2-t67144.0.html;msg473046#msg473046 (https://forums.comodo.com/news-announcements-feedback-cis/bob-who-accepted-a-job-to-promote-avast-is-coming-to-our-forums-to-bad-mouth-us-2-t67144.0.html;msg473046#msg473046)
I have no intentions of giving him the satisfactions of a reply. That kind of stupidity doesn't need a reply, it speaks for itself. :(
That's bad... Seems inquisition is back. :( >:(
asyn
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that jerk is still convinced, post after post, that people are being paid to attack Comodo.
http://j.mp/dMLCk1 I guess he needs a psychiatrist.
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Melih is mentally ill
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Melih is mentally ill
Do you know who Melih is? Don't give stupid comments when you don't know someone!
Regards,
Tenko
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Tenko, if Melih knows Bob he wouldn't say stupidities about Bob.
Bob is not avast Ambassador, Bob personal opinions aren't related to avast, Bob has the right to say his personal opinions regardless avast has hired him to make conferences about security and antivirus.
I think it won't be good start a "defense for Melih" thread here in avast forums.
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Tenko, if Melih knows Bob he wouldn't say stupidities about Bob.
Bob is not avast Ambassador, Bob personal opinions aren't related to avast, Bob has the right to say his personal opinions regardless avast has hired him to make conferences about security and antivirus.
I think it won't be good start a "defense for Melih" thread here in avast forums.
I am not defending anyone but I won't accept people to talk sh*t about people that they don't even know!
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Tenko, if Melih knows Bob he wouldn't say stupidities about Bob.
Bob is not avast Ambassador, Bob personal opinions aren't related to avast, Bob has the right to say his personal opinions regardless avast has hired him to make conferences about security and antivirus.
+1
asyn
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I am not defending anyone but I won't accept people to talk sh*t about people that they don't even know!
Go question Melih's arguments though.
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that jerk is still convinced, post after post, that people are being paid to attack Comodo.
http://j.mp/dMLCk1 I guess he needs a psychiatrist.
Ehh.
This guy Bob was offered a Job as an Avast ambassader, he accepted and now he has suddenly started bad mouthing Comodo.
What is the relations?, do you want a link to HIS own blog?
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Tenko, if Melih knows Bob he wouldn't say stupidities about Bob.
Bob is not avast Ambassador, Bob personal opinions aren't related to avast, Bob has the right to say his personal opinions regardless avast has hired him to make conferences about security and antivirus.
I think it won't be good start a "defense for Melih" thread here in avast forums.
http://bob03160.livejournal.com/50565.html have a read at that then come back and apologize for trying to lie Avast out of this
Also, the badmouthing STARTED once he was close/offered the JOB hence it is safe to assume its due to his partial employment.
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My comment referred to "Melih is mentally ill" and nothing else. I have seen that Melih wrote that there are paid trolls and that bob might be one. To be honest.. I don't care and if Bob came by himself or if he got paid for it.
Regards,
Tenko
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...or if he got paid for it.
I'm 100% sure Bob doesn't get paid for such things...!!!!
asyn
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My comment referred to "Melih is mentally ill" and nothing else.
Ok. I did not make that comment. I'm not a doctor but something makes me think that a CEO can't be mentally ill. I wish I were a CEO... But my annual revenue won't reach that far :)
To be honest.. I don't care and if Bob came by himself or if he got paid for it.
Oh, sorry. I do care.
In Comodo forums they're taking Bob as avast PR or avast team. He is not. So, it does really make a difference of attacking him personally or implying that avast company is making that on purpose. It does really make a difference on personal opinions and paid ones. Again, my 0.02 of common sense :)
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Also, the badmouthing STARTED once he was close/offered the JOB hence it is safe to assume its due to his partial employment.
You have obviously no idea what you're talking about; your assumptions are rather funny.
Bob is certainly not paid to act on Comodo forums (if we wanted to badmouth Comodo, it would be rather stupid to do that way, don't you think? It wouldn't be that hard to make a fake identity without posting links to the blog.) - from what I can see, Bob simply likes (or liked) Comodo and is rather unhappy about the recent moves. Also, it's hard not to react to Melih's crazy accusations and insane stories.
Anyway, guys, I believe it's time to close this thread. There are people you simply cannot argue with, cause everything gets twisted in every possible way... and I'm afraid nothing useful will come from going on.