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Title: Firewalls that fully support SP2?
Post by: RejZoR on August 24, 2004, 01:01:02 PM
I'm wondering which firewall is fully detected by Security Center. I tried Sygate and Kerio not long ago and they didn't support it.
Thx
Title: Re:Firewalls that fully support SP2?
Post by: SpeedyPC on August 24, 2004, 02:18:23 PM
I'm wondering which firewall is fully detected by Security Center. I tried Sygate and Kerio not long ago and they didn't support it.
Thx

G'day RejZoR

The latest Zone Alarm v5.1.011.000 is fully supported with SP2
Title: Re:Firewalls that fully support SP2?
Post by: RejZoR on August 24, 2004, 02:45:52 PM
Except this one because it doesn't work too good with P2P.
Title: Re:Firewalls that fully support SP2?
Post by: bob3160 on August 24, 2004, 02:52:31 PM
Except this one because it doesn't work too good with P2P.
Which one? and what part?
Title: Re:Firewalls that fully support SP2?
Post by: RejZoR on August 24, 2004, 03:26:50 PM
ZoneAlarm. It doesn't work with P2P too good.
Title: Re:Firewalls that fully support SP2?
Post by: bob3160 on August 24, 2004, 04:00:41 PM
RejZor,
Eddy got me set up so that it's working fine for ICQ
it's in off-topic.  Found it. Take a look HERE (http://forum.avast.com/index.php?board=9;action=display;threadid=6548)
Title: Re:Firewalls that fully support SP2?
Post by: RejZoR on August 24, 2004, 04:07:08 PM
Not ICQ,but real file sharing like eMule or Bittorrent. These two handle enormous amounts of connections which are death for ZoneAlarm.
Title: Re:Firewalls that fully support SP2?
Post by: Eddy on August 24, 2004, 04:13:11 PM
ZA Pro has no problem with SP2 and/or p2p applications. Check your settings. I recommend configuring the p2p aplication(s) manually. There is no need for them to have a whole range of ports open. Set the port in them, then open the port in ZA. That's all you have to do.

Basicly it is the same as Bob had to do for ICQ.
Title: Re:Firewalls that fully support SP2?
Post by: RejZoR on August 24, 2004, 04:18:05 PM
No it works with ZA,but over time it starts to use enormous amounts of memory or simply blocks everything and traffic stops.
Argh i'm gonna try again...
Title: Re:Firewalls that fully support SP2?
Post by: S.Z.Craftec on August 24, 2004, 05:47:29 PM
I'm still running Outpost freware 1.0.1817.1645 and it works great. The problem is, like many of them, it's not recognized by Windows Security Center.

RejZor - what happened with your love regarding Outpost ? I know you were so hot for Agnitum Outpost... I would like to hear opinions from as much users as it's possible... all kind of different people. We all know that it's impossible to say which one is the best, 'cause we all are aware that there is nothing like that out there... but still, which ones do you prefer guys ?

Cheers !
Title: Re:Firewalls that fully support SP2?
Post by: Lisandro on August 24, 2004, 05:52:42 PM
My preferences are already known, but as you asked:

For a free firewall: ZA, Outpost and Sygate. Maybe: Kerio.
For a paid firewall: Outopost  8)

In my mind come a lot of reasons: stability, updates, reliability, configuration issues, features, GUI, etc...  ;)
Title: Re:Firewalls that fully support SP2?
Post by: bob3160 on August 24, 2004, 07:12:31 PM
Hi Sasha
ZA is fully recognized by the Security Center.
Title: Re:Firewalls that fully support SP2?
Post by: S.Z.Craftec on August 24, 2004, 07:48:48 PM
Yes I know Bob, but I gave up on ZoneAlarm months ago... something that should lay down in a shaddow and protect you silently, shouldn't eat so much system resources. Outpost and Sygate are greatest proof that it is possible to make something like that. No matter I have enough system resources for sharing, why not spend all those resources on something else ?

Cheers !
Title: Re:Firewalls that fully support SP2?
Post by: Eddy on August 24, 2004, 07:56:57 PM
 .: SZC :., there where a few issues with the first versions of ZA 5. Many people went back to version 4.x. According to my latest info, most if not all problems are solved with the latest 5.x version. I suggest that if you have a license for ZA pro and have problems with it, use 4.x. That one will work without any problems and will not use a lot of cpu time.
Title: Re:Firewalls that fully support SP2?
Post by: S.Z.Craftec on August 24, 2004, 08:07:51 PM
OK thanks Artras... sorry Eddy... No, I don't have licence for Pro version, I was using ZoneAlarm free version. I remember version 4.something wasn't so bad, but I never tried 5.x

I may give it a try on my wife's computer, just to see how it behaves...

Cheers !
Title: Re:Firewalls that fully support SP2?
Post by: Eddy on August 24, 2004, 08:13:10 PM
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I may give it a try on my wife's computer, just to see how it behaves...
I hope this don't lead to a domastic fight ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re:Firewalls that fully support SP2?
Post by: DavidR on August 24, 2004, 08:34:45 PM
I'm wondering which firewall is fully detected by Security Center. I tried Sygate and Kerio not long ago and they didn't support it.
Thx

When your subject says Firewalls that fully support SP2 and then ask the question which one is detected by Security Center - If the true question is about recoqnition by SP2's Security Center (SC)?

Then like the previous comments in other threads about avast at some point not being recognised by SP2 RC2s SC, this doesn't stop the firewall doing its job, just being recognised and having some nag screen saying you dont have a firewall, etc. By all accounts you can stop this reporting/nagging by the SC. Certainly this is what is comming up in other forums about AVs not being recognised, they are just switching of the nag screen, etc.
Title: Re:Firewalls that fully support SP2?
Post by: Eddy on August 24, 2004, 08:38:16 PM
Isn't it so that you can manually set the SC that you have a firewall? :D
Title: Re:Firewalls that fully support SP2?
Post by: RejZoR on August 24, 2004, 08:52:37 PM
You can,but its not the same. Also McAfee PF Plus 5(my favorite) doesn't work at all with SP2.
Title: Re:Firewalls that fully support SP2?
Post by: Eddy on August 24, 2004, 08:58:30 PM
There is a list of applications (and version numbers) that (sofar) are known not to work with SP2. If you ask me SP2 should never have been released in this stadium. Another major mistake by MS. It is not hte first time they release something while the majority of testers tell them to fix the bugs first. :-\

Don't get me wrong. I think SP2 can solve a lot of security issues, but imho MS needs to get their act together and tell the truth. They bring it as SP2 is solving (almost?) any security risk and give people a false feeling of being secured.
Title: Re:Firewalls that fully support SP2?
Post by: KezzerDrix on August 24, 2004, 10:28:41 PM
Rej-- why not use windows firewall.  Or use the firewall of your choice disable windows firewall and turn off the monitoring in the security center to end the "Warnings"

Personally, I use windows firewall for incoming and a program called PC Security for my outgoing appWall ;)
Title: Re:Firewalls that fully support SP2?
Post by: Eddy on August 24, 2004, 10:37:24 PM
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why not use windows firewall
Many reasons why you shouldn't use it and use a more decent protection. Simply said: The ICF is crap.
Title: Re:Firewalls that fully support SP2?
Post by: KezzerDrix on August 24, 2004, 10:53:14 PM
hmm,  That seems to be contary to a whole lot of professional reviews on the subject.

http://www.flexbeta.net/main/articles.php?action=show&id=76 (http://www.flexbeta.net/main/articles.php?action=show&id=76)

http://www.winnetmag.com/MicrosoftExchangeOutlook/Article/ArticleID/43363/MicrosoftExchangeOutlook_43363.html (http://www.winnetmag.com/MicrosoftExchangeOutlook/Article/ArticleID/43363/MicrosoftExchangeOutlook_43363.html)

http://www.winsupersite.com/reviews/windowsxp_sp2.asp (http://www.winsupersite.com/reviews/windowsxp_sp2.asp)

Plus, windows firewalls protects from boot up to shut down.  Other software firewalls only work when windows is up and running.  HENCE, the sasser, blaster virus's being able to reak havok.

Plus it uses minimal system resources

I personally have tested mine against grc, norton, and sygates testers it passes everytime.


Title: Re:Firewalls that fully support SP2?
Post by: RejZoR on August 24, 2004, 11:09:07 PM
Well in the end i went back to ICF. Its the best of all. I also consider myself as (very) advanced user so outbound protection isn't required... and is the fastest and less demanding firewall. Inbound protection is 1A class.
Title: Re:Firewalls that fully support SP2?
Post by: DavidR on August 24, 2004, 11:12:04 PM
Rej-- why not use windows firewall.  Or use the firewall of your choice disable windows firewall and turn off the monitoring in the security center to end the "Warnings"

Personally, I use windows firewall for incoming and a program called PC Security for my outgoing appWall ;)

Hi, have you got a URL so we can check it out?
Title: Re:Firewalls that fully support SP2?
Post by: KezzerDrix on August 24, 2004, 11:27:46 PM
AppWalls

Pc Security (i use)
http://www.tropsoft.com/pcsecurity/ (http://www.tropsoft.com/pcsecurity/)

Agnitum Jammer
http://www.agnitum.com/products/jammer/ (http://www.agnitum.com/products/jammer/)


I am sure there are others.  However, I could not find a FREE one.

UPDATE:  I found a freeware version of jammer at
http://www.ntu.edu.sg/CITS/SoftwareDirectory/Internet/Comm.htm (http://www.ntu.edu.sg/CITS/SoftwareDirectory/Internet/Comm.htm)

Found this FREE appwall
http://www.geocities.com/Ichinin/procwall.htm (http://www.geocities.com/Ichinin/procwall.htm)

Title: Re:Firewalls that fully support SP2?
Post by: DavidR on August 25, 2004, 01:08:22 AM
Thanks KezzerDrix, I'm sure the links will benefit more than just me. Perhaps those with harware firewall who may be looking for an outbound Application Wall instead of a full blown software firewall.
Title: Re:Firewalls that fully support SP2?
Post by: deep purple on August 29, 2004, 09:07:32 PM
 8) Hi There just joined today!my experinece so far of KERIO PERSONAL FIREWALL is excellent!,i intalled it 1 month ago pre-SP2 and now with SP2,it allows me complete control of what i want to allow through or not,if usnsure you have a large display panel which tell you who or what wants to gain access,with more info on that too,seems to work extemely well with XP and SP1 and SP2 with no problems or conflict, i even have XP FIREWALL SP2 ENABLED as well!,hope this is of some help! ::)

best regards

deep purple
Title: Re:Firewalls that fully support SP2?
Post by: bob3160 on August 29, 2004, 09:38:31 PM
deep purple
Welcome to the forum.
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i even have XP FIREWALL SP2 ENABLED as well
Remember, 2 is not always better than 1.
2 firewalls can be just as conflicting as 2 AV programs. Also remember, MS Firewall only protects you from incoming trafic.  Kerio gives you protection both ways.
Title: Re:Firewalls that fully support SP2?
Post by: RejZoR on August 29, 2004, 09:49:04 PM
But on the other hand,Kerio sucks for inbound... trust me it has terrible problems with stealthing ports.
Title: Re:Firewalls that fully support SP2?
Post by: bob3160 on August 29, 2004, 10:00:39 PM
RejZoR
Then I'll refraze my reply. Pick one good one like Outpost or ZoneAlarm instead of using 2.