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Title: Avast vs. Comodo vs. Avira - 10 000 malware
Post by: acafacaa on January 03, 2011, 03:56:00 AM
Here is my test of Avast,Comodo and Avira vs.10 000 malware samples.

PART 1 :  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRreh8G4bLw

PART 2 :  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbtdeIFcTfc

Enjoy  :-*
Title: Re: Avast vs. Comodo vs. Avira - 10 000 malware
Post by: DavidR on January 03, 2011, 05:18:17 AM
Your test is somewhat flawed as at the start when you purport to be setting avast to the highest scan settings, you are changing the sensitivity for the on-access Real-Time Scans, file system shield and not for the on-demand scans in the Scan Computer section. or for the ashQuick (right click scan) that you did in your test.

If you want the highest settings you would have to create a custom scan or if you are doing just a select folder scan in the Scan Computer section, as the Quick and Full System scans are pre-defined scans and there isn't much that you can change in there.

Though in theory the ashQuick explorer right click scan is the most sensitive, but you didn't change its settings either (image1), so effectively you wouldn't have been looking for PUPs or the Highest sensitivity at all based on your video as you change the file system shield settings, which has nothing to do with the scan you did.

I also feel it a bit strange to use a early beta build for any testing, as you don't know if there are any underlying issues that might have an impact. Since this test is also over 2 weeks old and avast 5.1.864 has now been released as a regular version release.
Title: Re: Avast vs. Comodo vs. Avira - 10 000 malware
Post by: danny96 on January 03, 2011, 01:08:36 PM
comodo win  ;D
Title: Re: Avast vs. Comodo vs. Avira - 10 000 malware
Post by: -Genesis- on January 03, 2011, 01:40:53 PM
Interesting! :o

It must have no reason for excuses because it has the latest build and latest virus definition.

Missed plenty.

I hope Avast Team would check this.


@acafacaa, please test again what DavidR says about Avast settings. This would make final result.


Tnx.
Title: Re: Avast vs. Comodo vs. Avira - 10 000 malware
Post by: CraigB on January 03, 2011, 02:19:16 PM
As already mentioned a million time's before you cant go on the testing's of these amature's, he set the wrong scan setting's for for what he was intending to scan and by using an early beta release of the current version is not really professional or an accurate guide to go by, the people that keep believing in this hype and posting there replies about it all the time are inherently like sheep ::)
Title: Re: Avast vs. Comodo vs. Avira - 10 000 malware
Post by: acafacaa on January 03, 2011, 03:38:01 PM
I don't think it would increase detection and result dramaticaly even if I would move sensitivity to high,it would found a couple more than this,and that's it.
Anyway Avast would be still behind Avira and Comodo. :o
Title: Re: Avast vs. Comodo vs. Avira - 10 000 malware
Post by: CraigB on January 03, 2011, 03:46:06 PM
I don't think it would increase detection and result dramaticaly even if I would move sensitivity to high,it would found a couple more than this,and that's it.
Anyway Avast would be still behind Avira and Comodo. :o
So instead of trying to make assumption's on what you think, why dont you get yourself a new stable release and test with the correct setting's and see what you think then  >:(
Title: Re: Avast vs. Comodo vs. Avira - 10 000 malware
Post by: zerotox on January 03, 2011, 03:59:32 PM

I really don't see the problem here. Why the fanboyism? In almost all test conducted by different labs, Avira is ahead of Avst concerning static detection rates. Each program has its pros and cons. The real surprise is Comodo. Also in such a huge amount of files there could be always very old ones, such written for older versions of OS and so  on and so on. Same things with on-demand I've seen with ESET - not very strong in on-demand scan results, but that doesn't make it a bad program. So who likes and has seen the true value of Avast will keep using it regardless of all these numerous and very often useless tests.
Title: Re: Avast vs. Comodo vs. Avira - 10 000 malware
Post by: DavidR on January 03, 2011, 04:29:12 PM
I don't think it would increase detection and result dramaticaly even if I would move sensitivity to high,it would found a couple more than this,and that's it.
Anyway Avast would be still behind Avira and Comodo. :o

Sorry but that is c**p, you can't make assumptions, you can retest and make a statement but not an assumption. You essentially didn't test for PUPs at all and you didn't use the highest settings as in the other tests.

It is as simple as that and it invalidates the result of any test. If you can't see that then you really shouldn't be running any test no matter how unscientific armchair youtube tester.

Sorry but these test really are a waste of time, leave it up to the experts at accredited test centres.
Title: Re: Avast vs. Comodo vs. Avira - 10 000 malware
Post by: CraigB on January 03, 2011, 04:42:54 PM
+1 ;D
Title: Re: Avast vs. Comodo vs. Avira - 10 000 malware
Post by: DavidR on January 03, 2011, 06:00:00 PM
I honestly see little point in these scans/tests as it helps no one other than promote your youtube clips.

Unless you send the undetected samples to the AVs you used then it doesn't help their users and I have to wonder as to the whole point of the exercise other than self-promotion.
Title: Re: Avast vs. Comodo vs. Avira - 10 000 malware
Post by: acafacaa on January 03, 2011, 06:10:11 PM
Those last videos are not mine.Those are from Victorh,from Brazil.
And I'll not get a money or anything else if somebody watch my videos,what do I get?Nothing.I was making that video for 5 hours,not because I want the money,anyway I have nothing from from that exept pleasure and I gave results to everyone.
Title: Re: Avast vs. Comodo vs. Avira - 10 000 malware
Post by: DavidR on January 03, 2011, 06:19:04 PM
I don't care whose videos they are, the principles are the same who do these videos serve, certainly not the AV users. Results given to users don't help them, samples sent for analysis and inclusion in virus databases are what help users.

If they don't help the AV user then I suggest you stop wasting your time running the so called test as it clearly isn't helping you either.
Title: Re: Avast vs. Comodo vs. Avira - 10 000 malware
Post by: Sparxx on January 03, 2011, 06:21:15 PM
Those last videos are not mine.Those are from Victorh,from Brazil.
And I'll not get a money or anything else if somebody watch my videos,what do I get?Nothing.I was making that video for 5 hours,not because I want the money,anyway I have nothing from from that exept pleasure and I gave results to everyone.

I agree with you, you lost a lot of time doing the test, but that isn't the way an antivirus works, avast may not detect a virus while it's packed(compiled) but it may detect it on execution(speaking from experience).
So the conclusion for this test is that Avira and Comodo found more while the executables were innactive.
Title: Re: Avast vs. Comodo vs. Avira - 10 000 malware
Post by: acafacaa on January 03, 2011, 06:22:07 PM
Those videos shows which one of this has the highest detection ratio.
Those malware are from 1 day to 6 mounths old.
Title: Re: Avast vs. Comodo vs. Avira - 10 000 malware
Post by: Gargamel360 on January 03, 2011, 06:24:20 PM
Thank you for good comedy, I wake up to good laugh today, thank you!!  ;D  ::)

10,000 laughs  ;)
Title: Re: Avast vs. Comodo vs. Avira - 10 000 malware
Post by: acafacaa on January 03, 2011, 06:37:32 PM
That's the true man,someone can accept this,someone can't.
Those are live malware and they are not old.
Title: Re: Avast vs. Comodo vs. Avira - 10 000 malware
Post by: acafacaa on January 03, 2011, 06:47:59 PM
Someone is removing my post for the second time,and that's not fair at all.I just posted some tests,some videos,and there are people who don't like the results and remove the posts. >:(
Title: Re: Avast vs. Comodo vs. Avira - 10 000 malware
Post by: Sammo on January 03, 2011, 06:48:15 PM
I rely on sources such as the VB100 test. Avast and Avira both passed recent tests. Comodo has failed each time it has been tested.

http://www.virusbtn.com/vb100/archive/2010/12
Title: Re: Avast vs. Comodo vs. Avira - 10 000 malware
Post by: acafacaa on January 03, 2011, 06:50:20 PM
I dont trust virusbulletin and AV-comparatives.
How do I know that one of the 43 Av companies did't pay for that.
A lot of money is in game,don't forget that.
Title: Re: Avast vs. Comodo vs. Avira - 10 000 malware
Post by: sded on January 03, 2011, 06:58:08 PM
Why should we trust you?  Tell us about your training and experience in designing and evaluating malware tests.  We see videos with every conceivable conclusion on YouTube, and unless they supply useful data to the AV vendors there is not much utility in them.  What do you expect users to do with your videos?
Maybe you should try posting on Wilders for a more general audience?
Title: Re: Avast vs. Comodo vs. Avira - 10 000 malware
Post by: 13N on January 03, 2011, 07:00:40 PM
Someone is removing my post for the second time,and that's not fair at all.I just posted some tests,some videos,and there are people who don't like the results and remove the posts. >:(
Hi,
no, there are people who don't like the methodology, instead of the results. On-demand detections are an outdated method of testing anti-malware programs, because they don't represent actual protection level in a real-world scenario- in fact it's far far from that. For ex. they don't account for other protection layers apart from signatures and heuristics.
Title: Re: Avast vs. Comodo vs. Avira - 10 000 malware
Post by: Gargamel360 on January 03, 2011, 07:02:24 PM
 You turn off real-time shields.....then you turn up real-time shield settings, saying you are maximizing Avast! scan settings?

Please at least read the help file and get a general understanding of how to adjust settings on the AV you are testing.  

Money is "in the game", yes.  Applying that to everyone, how does anyone know you are not getting paid?  

10,000 live samples at once might compromise realistic detection rates maybe?
Title: Re: Avast vs. Comodo vs. Avira - 10 000 malware
Post by: Nesivos on January 03, 2011, 07:06:02 PM
comodo win  ;D

I have used Avast first "Free" now AIS for about two years.

I am on the Net all over the place, Browser loaded, about 15 hours a day.

Over the two years I don't think that Malwarebytes, SAS, iObit360, HitmanPro and HouseCall all of whom I run only in batch mode have found even a handful of viruses and a dozen or so tracking cookies that Avast let through.  

That works for me. :) :)

Title: Re: Avast vs. Comodo vs. Avira - 10 000 malware
Post by: Nesivos on January 03, 2011, 07:14:34 PM
Someone is removing my post for the second time,and that's not fair at all.I just posted some tests,some videos,and there are people who don't like the results and remove the posts. >:(

tests or the real world?

I will take real world experience every time.

Comparing tests to the real world is like comparing Academicians to successful small business owners.

I will take the word of the business owners every time. :)
Title: Re: Avast vs. Comodo vs. Avira - 10 000 malware
Post by: acafacaa on January 03, 2011, 07:16:34 PM
OK,you think on-demand scan is old methodology of testing some AV program,I don't agree.If it's like that,why are you watching AV-Comparatives on-demand scan,and virusbulletin tests?
And I have another special test for you as you wanted.
Avast prevention test,against new malware.You said on-demand scan test is not the good test to test AV software,and there you go-AIS PREVENTION TEST:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyrVeyHiP_0
Title: Re: Avast vs. Comodo vs. Avira - 10 000 malware
Post by: Para-Noid on January 03, 2011, 07:24:03 PM
I am "not", I repeat "not" an expert. But to me it makes sense to believe an independent lab over some "I think I know better" nimrod. The "real" tests speak for themselves. Results and methodology. If you think you know better show your methodology, which goes a long way towards qualifying your results. How were each sample handled, tested and then show some "true" results. Till then leave the testing to the experts.
Title: Re: Avast vs. Comodo vs. Avira - 10 000 malware
Post by: Hermite15 on January 03, 2011, 07:31:54 PM
@the OP: I see you're enabling the shields before launching a manual scan, good thinking ;D
Title: Re: Avast vs. Comodo vs. Avira - 10 000 malware
Post by: GloobyGoob on January 03, 2011, 07:47:01 PM
I dont trust virusbulletin and AV-comparatives.
How do I know that one of the 43 Av companies did't pay for that.
A lot of money is in game,don't forget that.

AV-comparatives and VirusBulletin are both independent.

Also, like some mentioned, you set avast's real-time scanner to the highest settings, not the on-demand scanner.
We don't know what type of malware you used; if a portion of the samples were PUP's then avast could've detected more, since you didn't set avast to scan for PUP's, like you did with Comodo and Avira.
Title: Re: Avast vs. Comodo vs. Avira - 10 000 malware
Post by: Marc57 on January 03, 2011, 07:50:14 PM
My comments are here:

http://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=67878.msg572290#msg572290
Title: Re: Avast vs. Comodo vs. Avira - 10 000 malware
Post by: acafacaa on January 03, 2011, 07:57:53 PM
Hey mark,am i stuped because i have never used avast before and i don't know about the chests size?!
Only 256mb by default?!!!
I have never seen something like that in any single AV,and I tested them a lot for years.They all have unlimited quarantine sizes.
Avira and Gdata have the better detection than Avast,that's for sure.
Accept that fact,and stop cursing people around.
Title: Re: Avast vs. Comodo vs. Avira - 10 000 malware
Post by: Gargamel360 on January 03, 2011, 08:18:30 PM
nvm, deleted  :-X
Title: Re: Avast vs. Comodo vs. Avira - 10 000 malware
Post by: DavidR on January 03, 2011, 08:24:47 PM
Someone is removing my post for the second time,and that's not fair at all.I just posted some tests,some videos,and there are people who don't like the results and remove the posts. >:(

There is little point in posting other peoples work, we can't question their methods or motivation in doing it in the first place. You posted your video and we have been questioning how it was done, why it was done, its purpose and why the samples that were supposedly missed haven't been sent to the AVs.

If you aren't prepared to send and missed samples to avast then you aren't helping anyone and the video is essentially self-serving.
Title: Re: Avast vs. Comodo vs. Avira - 10 000 malware
Post by: danny96 on January 03, 2011, 08:37:31 PM
Hi acafacaa!
I was reviewed and commented your youtube video, but I cannot understand how can be comodo better than avast. It's so weird  ???
Title: Re: Avast vs. Comodo vs. Avira - 10 000 malware
Post by: DavidR on January 03, 2011, 08:41:34 PM
Hey mark,am i stuped because i have never used avast before and i don't know about the chests size?!
Only 256mb by default?!!!
I have never seen something like that in any single AV,and I tested them a lot for years.They all have unlimited quarantine sizes.
Avira and Gdata have the better detection than Avast,that's for sure.
Accept that fact,and stop cursing people around.

I would have to say yes lacking in knowledge, if you are going to test an AV I would have thought it essential that you know something about it. As far as a default size for the chest goes, for a normal user 256MB is more than adequate enough. Try to run this kind of test and it is likely to prove inadequate, but it isn't designed for that.

How can anyone accept any fact that you present when it is clear you haven't got a clue what you are doing, you know nothing of avast so how can you purport to be testing it. You set the wrong (on-access) shield to supposedly increase sensitivity in an on-demand scan; you fail to include PUPs in your scan; you fail to increase the sensitivity in the actual Explorer scan.

Yet you have the brass neck to say it doesn't matter, well to me it doesn't matter as your test isn't worth the paper that the methodology and conduct of your test is written on, oh yes, you haven't written anything.

I don't care if in an on-demand test that was correctly setup and carried out that any other AV beat avast; what I do care about is that results presented as fact should be totally accurate and yours isn't, it is a total farce.

Sorry to be blunt, but I think you need that.
Title: Re: Avast vs. Comodo vs. Avira - 10 000 malware
Post by: Hermite15 on January 03, 2011, 08:44:28 PM
last time I called someone stupid here (after he asked if he was ;D ), so by just answering plainly "yes" :D my post got deleted ???
Title: Re: Avast vs. Comodo vs. Avira - 10 000 malware
Post by: MAG on January 03, 2011, 09:01:25 PM
last time I called someone stupid here (after he asked if he was ;D ), so by just answering plainly "yes" :D my post got deleted ???
Which I think is fair enough.

A moderator can't really stop someone being stupid.

A moderator should perhaps stop someone asking whether they are considered stupid (but hey - if you have to ask!!??).

A moderator should probably remove a response in the affirmative as provocative.

We want to keep things nice and friendly here.

Title: Re: Avast vs. Comodo vs. Avira - 10 000 malware
Post by: Marc57 on January 03, 2011, 09:13:32 PM
Hey mark,am i stuped because i have never used avast before and i don't know about the chests size?!
Only 256mb by default?!!!
I have never seen something like that in any single AV,and I tested them a lot for years.They all have unlimited quarantine sizes.
Avira and Gdata have the better detection than Avast,that's for sure.
Accept that fact,and stop cursing people around.


I didn't say you were stupid. But if you're going to test a program or programs you should USE the programs for awhile, That way you know where all the settings are and how the program will respond in different situations.

I have customers who use Avast, MSE and AVG so I have to have a working knowledge of all three programs when I go to work on their computers. The same can be said of testing, You should have a working knowledge of the programs you're going to test.
Title: Re: Avast vs. Comodo vs. Avira - 10 000 malware
Post by: Hermite15 on January 03, 2011, 09:23:05 PM

Which I think is fair enough.

we shall have to disagree about that, but never mind  ::)

edit: there are contexts, situations, where there's no other (serious) alternative ok?
Title: Re: Avast vs. Comodo vs. Avira - 10 000 malware
Post by: MAG on January 03, 2011, 10:32:43 PM
quote from Logos

we shall have to disagree about that, but never mind  ::)



That's ok, I don't mind - nobody has called me stupid! (yet) ;D.
Title: Re: Avast vs. Comodo vs. Avira - 10 000 malware
Post by: Silk0 on January 03, 2011, 10:51:37 PM
Hello acafacaa.

First at all I just wanna say: Fanboyism apart, please.

Second: I don't trust at all on this "home made" tests. The person who is performing the test can "modify" the detection rate with a few stops and some changes and give the advantage to the personal favorite AV.

Third: Have a check on Virus Bulletin (VB) -> http://www.virusbtn.com/index (http://www.virusbtn.com/index) or AV Comparatives -> http://www.av-comparatives.org/ (http://www.av-comparatives.org/). They are independent companies who tests various AV's with real results.
Title: Re: Avast vs. Comodo vs. Avira - 10 000 malware
Post by: Hermite15 on January 03, 2011, 10:58:59 PM
there will always be noobs to post such stuff on forums, AV "tests" etc... and no moderation to stop them (here on Avast forums). "Let the kids play"'s probably the motto, that's good for business after all, i.e. <<the more they talk about "us" (the AV companies)... the more they advertise "us" >> ;D
Title: Re: Avast vs. Comodo vs. Avira - 10 000 malware
Post by: acafacaa on January 03, 2011, 11:30:34 PM
Hey people,I know you are angry about the results cause you are the avast's fans,and I understand that.
But I want you to understand me:
Watch the Avast internet secutity REAL PREVENTION TEST,and you will see how good avast is:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyrVeyHiP_0
Title: Re: Avast vs. Comodo vs. Avira - 10 000 malware
Post by: Hermite15 on January 03, 2011, 11:35:00 PM
Hey people,I know you are angry about the results cause you are the avast's fans,and I understand that.
But I want you to understand me:
Watch the Avast internet secutity REAL PREVENTION TEST,and you will see how good avast is:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyrVeyHiP_0

look the question is not whether people who criticize you are fans or not (of Avast) the question is that we're all questioning here the validity of your tests. And posting tests that favor Avast or don't favor Avast doesn't change anything. We (well some of us at least) don't care here about such "tests", at all okay? You're wasting your time son, time to move along ::)
Title: Re: Avast vs. Comodo vs. Avira - 10 000 malware
Post by: sded on January 03, 2011, 11:41:46 PM
Sometimes I think that playing with malware is challenging role playing games for entertainment among bored high school kids.  I have seen kids as young as 12 on another well known video creation forum, and that's only among those who admit their age.  "Malware-a game for all ages.  No education or experience required".   ::)
Title: Re: Avast vs. Comodo vs. Avira - 10 000 malware
Post by: acafacaa on January 03, 2011, 11:42:04 PM
If u think i changed some of the settings or something like that,ok,i can make a video - prevention test and record everything from the start till the end,and would you belive than?
I doubt...
Because you are not ready to accept the truth.
Title: Re: Avast vs. Comodo vs. Avira - 10 000 malware
Post by: Hermite15 on January 03, 2011, 11:46:35 PM
If u think i changed some of the settings or something like that,ok,i can make a video - prevention test and record everything from the start till the end,and would you belive than?
I doubt...
Because you are not ready to accept the truth.

hey, WE DON'T CARE, you don't get it or what?
Title: Re: Avast vs. Comodo vs. Avira - 10 000 malware
Post by: MAG on January 03, 2011, 11:50:05 PM
The truth is out there...

I suspect it will remain out there after this thread dies.

I don't mind anyone, amateur or professional, looking for it in whatever way they choose - but it is not realistic to expect others to believe that you have found it. (A prophet in his own country etc.)

Best of luck though!
Title: Re: Avast vs. Comodo vs. Avira - 10 000 malware
Post by: acafacaa on January 03, 2011, 11:51:29 PM
Maybe you don't care,but I don't care if you don't care.
There is a people who cares on this forum,I can see that from my increased views on the videos.
Title: Re: Avast vs. Comodo vs. Avira - 10 000 malware
Post by: REDACTED on January 03, 2011, 11:54:46 PM
http://www.shadowserver.org/wiki/pmwiki.php/Stats/VirusDailyStats
Title: Re: Avast vs. Comodo vs. Avira - 10 000 malware
Post by: Hermite15 on January 03, 2011, 11:55:54 PM
Maybe you don't care,but I *don't care* if you don't care.
There is a people who cares on this forum,I can see that from my increased views on the videos.



 >>> reported the above poster for spamming and trolling, and requesting a ban. ... okay, and if you don't ban him guys (and you probably won't), at least delete this thread, I mean don't just lock it, wipe it. thanks.
Title: Re: Avast vs. Comodo vs. Avira - 10 000 malware
Post by: Silk0 on January 03, 2011, 11:58:35 PM
Hey people,I know you are angry about the results cause you are the avast's fans,and I understand that.
But I want you to understand me:
Watch the Avast internet secutity REAL PREVENTION TEST,and you will see how good avast is:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyrVeyHiP_0

Look buddy... the variants are huge.
I can also test some links before the test and select the ones who escape from Avast on a list. Is that simple? Yes.
Also, I'm off with this discussion. It's useless to argue with a "expert AV tester"...  ::)

Edit: Also... i agree with Logos above. Just close this.. Thanks.
Title: Re: Avast vs. Comodo vs. Avira - 10 000 malware
Post by: GloobyGoob on January 04, 2011, 12:00:18 AM
If u think i changed some of the settings or something like that,ok,i can make a video - prevention test and record everything from the start till the end,and would you belive than?
I doubt...
Because you are not ready to accept the truth.

What do your videos prove? The only thing that they show is that no Antivirus program has 100% detection. That would be impossible to achieve, because they are reactive solutions to malware. These are certainly not reliable tests for detection rates of particular AV's, as you only have a few links to test in your prevention tests, and your methodology for that on-demand test is flawed.

GG
Title: Re: Avast vs. Comodo vs. Avira - 10 000 malware
Post by: Gargamel360 on January 04, 2011, 12:07:23 AM
last post, honest
There is a people who cares on this forum,I can see that from my increased views on the videos.
Oh, so you are using this to promote hits?  Shame, but no surprise.  I did watch, because to comment on something, it helps to watch it.  Total dis-interest soon followed.  ::)
Title: Re: Avast vs. Comodo vs. Avira - 10 000 malware
Post by: lukor on January 04, 2011, 08:41:37 AM
Hi guys,
as a programmer here at Avast who does not deal with viruses I sometimes go upstairs to the virus lab and I am amazed. I especially love the charts the virus guys there have with their samples and colors, green means avast is the winner on all the samples received on that day.

There is also a large group of samples that avast detect exclusively, meaning that so far no other antivirus we know of is detecting it.

I sometimes wonder why isn't Avast the by far leader in all test if we have so much samples that only avast detects and no other competitor (not sure if Comodo is even tested).

My guess is that other antivirus's virus labs have also similar charts with similar yet differt sample sets. And this is probably the reason why the testing should be done by some independend well respected organization or person, who knows how to choose the test sets in an unbiased way - or at least tries to do so or holds an open discussion about the way how to do it.