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Title: WebRep Has Just Lit Up!
Post by: hayc59 on February 26, 2011, 05:24:51 PM
Yahoo!! Love It Babay!
Title: Re: WebRep Has Just Lit Up!
Post by: Asyn on February 26, 2011, 05:26:38 PM
Let's hope, it lasts...
asyn
Title: Re: WebRep Has Just Lit Up!
Post by: Rednose on February 26, 2011, 05:27:48 PM
But all my votes/checkes are still gone :-\

Greetz, Red.
Title: Re: WebRep Has Just Lit Up!
Post by: hayc59 on February 26, 2011, 05:28:27 PM
But all my votes/checkes are still gone :-\

Greetz, Red.
Same here! guess we have to redo!!
Title: Re: WebRep Has Just Lit Up!
Post by: 12-es_csaj on February 26, 2011, 05:33:37 PM
Hurray!!! ;D ;D
Title: Re: WebRep Has Just Lit Up!
Post by: sded on February 26, 2011, 05:38:07 PM
Hey, all of mine were saved.  :)
Title: Re: WebRep Has Just Lit Up!
Post by: doktornotor on February 26, 2011, 05:39:21 PM
guess we have to redo!!

Be gentle so that you don't overload and crash the servers again.  ;D
Title: Re: WebRep Has Just Lit Up!
Post by: hayc59 on February 26, 2011, 05:39:31 PM
can anyone grab a screenshot of choices for 'votes' selection?
I can't grab it fast enough with SnagIt
would like to see more choices..like Security and Software choices[Legit Ones Ofcourse
not Warez]
Title: Re: WebRep Has Just Lit Up!
Post by: Asyn on February 26, 2011, 05:42:25 PM
But all my votes/checkes are still gone :-\
Greetz, Red.

Sorry to hear that, Red. I can't confirm this though, as I have cookies disabled and never even saw my votes before... :-\
asyn

PS: Maybe ask the other user with the same avatar to change his, as I (wrongly) thought that you lost your memory, with the questions that had been asked. ;)
Title: Re: WebRep Has Just Lit Up!
Post by: firzen771 on February 26, 2011, 05:42:35 PM
my votes are still there as well, nothings gone for me.
Title: Re: WebRep Has Just Lit Up!
Post by: maugrimx on February 26, 2011, 05:44:52 PM
why not have a online control panel like wot have so our votes can be easily viewed and edited. how about when formatting the computer the avast browser extension shows our own votes even after formatting.

having a voting category about security would be great.
Title: Re: WebRep Has Just Lit Up!
Post by: hayc59 on February 26, 2011, 05:47:40 PM
why not have a online control panel like wot have so our votes can be easily viewed and edited. how about when formatting the computer the avast browser extension shows our own votes even after formatting.

having a voting category about security would be great.
Good Idea! The catagories are very limited when you have sites like BBR-Great info and help site
Wilders---same..ect ect...COU another one help and support and software updates
Title: Re: WebRep Has Just Lit Up!
Post by: Rednose on February 26, 2011, 05:49:43 PM
PS: Maybe ask the other user with the same avatar to change his, as I (wrongly) thought that you lost your memory, with the questions that had been asked. ;)

Huh ??? What are you talking about ???

Greetz, Red.
Title: Re: WebRep Has Just Lit Up!
Post by: DavidR on February 26, 2011, 05:52:11 PM
But all my votes/checkes are still gone :-\

Greetz, Red.

How do you know your votes are gone I can't tell one way or another if sites I have visited and voted on are even recorded ?
Title: Re: WebRep Has Just Lit Up!
Post by: hayc59 on February 26, 2011, 05:54:49 PM
PS: Maybe ask the other user with the same avatar to change his, as I (wrongly) thought that you lost your memory, with the questions that had been asked. ;)

Huh ??? What are you talking about ???

Greetz, Red.
I think he is referring..LOL to my avatar
Title: Re: WebRep Has Just Lit Up!
Post by: Rednose on February 26, 2011, 06:01:04 PM
But all my votes/checkes are still gone :-\

Greetz, Red.

How do you know your votes are gone I can't tell one way or another if sites I have visited and voted on are even recorded ?


Yes, you are right :)

It is maybe better to say that WebReb doesn't show my old votes/checks anymore ;)

Greetz, Red.
Title: Re: WebRep Has Just Lit Up!
Post by: sded on February 26, 2011, 06:04:44 PM
I can tell mine are still there.   ;D
Title: Re: WebRep Has Just Lit Up!
Post by: DavidR on February 26, 2011, 06:24:32 PM
I can tell mine are still there.   ;D

How (all joking aside) ?

I see no differentiation if I visit a site that I have voted on or one that I haven't voted on.

If you are basing this on the categories flagged in the left pane ?
These are a collation of all votes and not just yours if you voted and the same I believe is correct if the reputation bar has a slider point set.

Unfortunately nothing has been said (as far as I can remember) on how the webrep works and how you know if you have already voted.
Title: Re: WebRep Has Just Lit Up!
Post by: spg SCOTT on February 26, 2011, 06:27:29 PM
My votes are still there.

I think it is done by a cookie. If 3rd party cookies are disabled it doesn't show previous votes...
Rather than enable 3rd party cookies, I just add an exception for avast...
Title: Re: WebRep Has Just Lit Up!
Post by: hayc59 on February 26, 2011, 06:35:07 PM
disregard  :'(
Title: Re: WebRep Has Just Lit Up!
Post by: Asyn on February 26, 2011, 06:37:08 PM
PS: Maybe ask the other user with the same avatar to change his, as I (wrongly) thought that you lost your memory, with the questions that had been asked. ;)

Huh ??? What are you talking about ???
Greetz, Red.

This one: http://forum.avast.com/index.php?action=profile;u=226211
asyn
Title: Re: WebRep Has Just Lit Up!
Post by: hayc59 on February 26, 2011, 06:38:58 PM
My votes are still there.

I think it is done by a cookie. If 3rd party cookies are disabled it doesn't show previous votes...
Rather than enable 3rd party cookies, I just add an exception for avast...

Ok now back in business and that is I am sure why my votes were
gone and thank you
Title: Re: WebRep Has Just Lit Up!
Post by: DavidR on February 26, 2011, 06:51:14 PM
My votes are still there.

I think it is done by a cookie. If 3rd party cookies are disabled it doesn't show previous votes...
Rather than enable 3rd party cookies, I just add an exception for avast...


Yes but here I am still banging my head against this brick wall (and it is beginning to hurt) how are you able to tell that you have voted on a site ?

Also I block third party cookies by default. But that matters not a jot as avast won't have a third party cookie on every site in the world, see image. So I can't see how cookies could be used for this purpose.

The image you are showing is regular cookie for avast.com in an avast sub.domain webrep.avast.com and isn't a third party cookie.
Title: Re: WebRep Has Just Lit Up!
Post by: Asyn on February 26, 2011, 06:54:00 PM
Yes but here I am still banging my head against this brick wall (and it is beginning to hurt) how are you able to tell that you have voted on a site ?

You would see the icons highlighted you voted for on the right side..!!
asyn
Title: Re: WebRep Has Just Lit Up!
Post by: spg SCOTT on February 26, 2011, 06:56:57 PM
When it is working... :P I see the selected icon on the colour I picked...

When I remove the exception for the cookie, the icon disappears, when I add it again, it comes back.
Title: Re: WebRep Has Just Lit Up!
Post by: hayc59 on February 26, 2011, 07:00:18 PM
When it is working... :P I see the selected icon on the colour I picked...

When I remove the exception for the cookie, the icon disappears, when I add it again, it comes back.
Precisely and that is to what I was also referring to
Title: Re: WebRep Has Just Lit Up!
Post by: DavidR on February 26, 2011, 07:03:27 PM
Yes but here I am still banging my head against this brick wall (and it is beginning to hurt) how are you able to tell that you have voted on a site ?

You would see the icons highlighted you voted for on the right side..!!
asyn


I was waiting for this as I already have an image prepared, see the image of my so called vote for avast.

You can be assured I didn't vote for shopping and didn't just vote for that and corporate, so there is something screwed up about this.
Title: Re: WebRep Has Just Lit Up!
Post by: firzen771 on February 26, 2011, 07:08:21 PM
webrep seems down again for me at least...
Title: Re: WebRep Has Just Lit Up!
Post by: Lisandro on February 26, 2011, 07:10:55 PM
Yeah. It was up some hours ago. Now it's down. They seem to be working on it.
Title: Re: WebRep Has Just Lit Up!
Post by: Asyn on February 26, 2011, 07:12:15 PM
I was waiting for this as I already have an image prepared, see the image of my so called vote for avast.

You can be assured I didn't vote for shopping and didn't just vote for that and corporate, so there is something screwed up about this.

This may well be. (I can only tell you about how it should work...)
As said before, I never saw my own votes, as I have cookies disabled..!!
asyn
Title: Re: WebRep Has Just Lit Up!
Post by: Asyn on February 26, 2011, 07:13:17 PM
Yeah. It was up some hours ago. Now it's down. They seem to be working on it.

It's still working here.
Could be related to the location...
asyn
Title: Re: WebRep Has Just Lit Up!
Post by: DavidR on February 26, 2011, 07:16:45 PM
When it is working... :P I see the selected icon on the colour I picked...

When I remove the exception for the cookie, the icon disappears, when I add it again, it comes back.

Again great for avast.com, but for sites that don't have an avast third party cookie, how is it possible for avast to track your activity, what would be called spyware (tracking cookie) in any other arena.

As you see from my image showing no avast cookie in ebay, see my so called vote for ebay.co.uk.
Do you not think it strange that I didn't select shopping ???
Do you not think it strange that I voted for Social/Hobby, News/Blog, IT/Download, because I didn't vote for those categories ???

I the webrep is meant to be smart enough to know where I have voted (incorrectly as it seems in these cases), you would think it would be smart enough not to throw up a screen with Cast Your Vote plastered over the top.

I appreciate that it is early days for the webrep, but I have to have confidence in its accuracy, which currently I do not.

In order to have any degree of confidence in it I have to know how it works and that means how to vote and how to tell if you have voted and that that vote is recorder accurately.
Title: Re: WebRep Has Just Lit Up!
Post by: sded on February 26, 2011, 07:17:35 PM
Currently I am still getting the rating shown above when I use FF, no rating when I use IE-I guess that means it is down?  I tagged a site with categories no one else would use to make sure I could see my votes there, but obviously can't tell anything in general.  And If I vote again don't know whether it is ignored, added, or changes my previous vote?
Title: Re: WebRep Has Just Lit Up!
Post by: hayc59 on February 26, 2011, 07:30:11 PM
Maybe when we vote its like a pool and its collective
rather than personal and shows a poll kinda vote?
Oh heck I dont know...just an idea
Title: Re: WebRep Has Just Lit Up!
Post by: Asyn on February 26, 2011, 07:35:58 PM
Oh heck I dont know...just an idea

Better don't smoke as much as your avatar. ;D
Title: Re: WebRep Has Just Lit Up!
Post by: hayc59 on February 26, 2011, 07:39:30 PM
Oh heck I dont know...just an idea

Better don't smoke as much as your avatar. ;D


 :-X :-X
Title: Re: WebRep Has Just Lit Up!
Post by: DavidR on February 26, 2011, 07:40:15 PM
Currently I am still getting the rating shown above when I use FF, no rating when I use IE-I guess that means it is down?  I tagged a site with categories no one else would use to make sure I could see my votes there, but obviously can't tell anything in general.  And If I vote again don't know whether it is ignored, added, or changes my previous vote?

Which again what I'm banging on about if we don't know how it works, how can we possibly monitor it for accuracy in recording our votes.
Title: Re: WebRep Has Just Lit Up!
Post by: Asyn on February 26, 2011, 07:42:40 PM
Which again what I'm banging on about if we don't know how it works, how can we possibly monitor it for accuracy in recording our votes.

The plain answer is: We can't. :-\
Title: Re: WebRep Has Just Lit Up!
Post by: sded on February 26, 2011, 07:51:40 PM
I still haven't figured out what a user is supposed to do with the results or how one uses it to decide whether a site is malicious (as opposed to annoying (not liked better than yellow?) ) or not.  And how bad is yellow?  And why the sea is boiling hot and whether pigs have wings?  ;)  What is really lacking is an Operations Concept for the collection and evaluation of the data by Avast! and the subsequent utility to the user.  But we are still waiting to see what the Virus Lab will add.  Unable to evaluate it at this point, so no reason just to poke at it yet.  No basis to say "good enough"
Title: Re: WebRep Has Just Lit Up!
Post by: Hally on February 26, 2011, 07:56:09 PM
Hi David  :)

Yes but here I am still banging my head against this brick wall (and it is beginning to hurt) how are you able to tell that you have voted on a site ?

You would see the icons highlighted you voted for on the right side..!!
asyn


I was waiting for this as I already have an image prepared, see the image of my so called vote for avast.

You can be assured I didn't vote for shopping and didn't just vote for that and corporate, so there is something screwed up about this.


Web Rep gone Bonkers for me too  ???

Noticing the same oddities as you!
At One Point...
Wikipedia showed I'd rated it for a whole load of stuff that I Hadn't.
In fact... Hadn't even made a vote for Wikipedia up to then.
Went back a few minutes later and it was OK and I was able to make my vote.
But I've noticed it happening on other sites now.
And sometimes sites saying No Votes ... When I know they had votes earlier  ::)

Hally
Title: Re: WebRep Has Just Lit Up!
Post by: hayc59 on February 26, 2011, 08:09:03 PM
Well..Well...maybe as I thought, WebRep maybe just a cool looking toy
that has 'no' relevance at all..what say you all?
Title: Re: WebRep Has Just Lit Up!
Post by: Jack 1000 on February 26, 2011, 08:22:53 PM
I still haven't figured out what a user is supposed to do with the results or how one uses it to decide whether a site is malicious (as opposed to annoying (not liked better than yellow?) ) or not.  And how bad is yellow?  And why the sea is boiling hot and whether pigs have wings?  ;)  What is really lacking is an Operations Concept for the collection and evaluation of the data by Avast! and the subsequent utility to the user.  But we are still waiting to see what the Virus Lab will add.  Unable to evaluate it at this point, so no reason just to poke at it yet.  No basis to say "good enough"

I hear what you are saying.  It seems that Web Rep is just a statistical profile sample.  However, right now, there is no quality control over how different each of the colored ratings are.  And if Web Rep doesn't block bad sites, it's almost useless.  It must be noted in Avast's defense, that the database is extremely new and is going to take time to develop.

And what exactly will the virus lab add in terms of data or voting to Web-Rep?  Right now, I see this add-on as more of a gimmick than useful.  But again, it is early in development.

Jack
Title: Re: WebRep Has Just Lit Up!
Post by: medway01 on February 26, 2011, 08:30:22 PM
Web reps working in firefox and IE for me, at least I know for sure it wasnt a dodgy install or some plugin I use in firefox stopping it working.
I noticed some of the ratings have gone so I guess I'm going to have to visit all those 'adult' sites and re-rate them again  ;D
Title: Re: WebRep Has Just Lit Up!
Post by: Asyn on February 26, 2011, 08:32:57 PM
...I guess I'm going to have to visit all those 'adult' sites and re-rate them again  ;D

It's a hard life... ;D
Title: Re: WebRep Has Just Lit Up!
Post by: Hally on February 26, 2011, 09:17:28 PM
Hi :)


Think If You Go To Fast For It...
Sometimes Web Rep is showing the rating for the last Website you rated rather than the website you're on.
Perhaps it's still to do with the server problem  ???
Maybe Web Rep still needs a bit more... Servers, RAM, Power, Umph, Whatever!  ::)

Hally
Title: Re: WebRep Has Just Lit Up!
Post by: DavidR on February 26, 2011, 09:18:07 PM
Well..Well...maybe as I thought, WebRep maybe just a cool looking toy
that has 'no' relevance at all..what say you all?

Your definitely hitting that pipe too often.

Its relevance isn't the issue here as most feel that it will have a valid, relevant purpose. That is why we seek information on how it works so that we can check it to ensure it maintains that relevance.
Title: Re: WebRep Has Just Lit Up!
Post by: Hally on February 26, 2011, 09:30:20 PM

Hi  :)


Really think the Corporation button would have been better off being an Educational button.

Hally
Title: Re: WebRep Has Just Lit Up!
Post by: dannyg on February 26, 2011, 10:03:03 PM

Nice! i would love it more when google chrome gets it.

Title: Re: WebRep Has Just Lit Up!
Post by: Hally on February 26, 2011, 10:10:05 PM
Hi  :)


Just found this while trying to help someone on another forum with a totally missing WebRep....
See Here: https://support.avast.com/index.php?_m=knowledgebase&_a=viewarticle&kbarticleid=740&nav=0,615

Thought I'd Post It!
As...
It tells us a bit more about WebRep  8)
And...
Someone else might find it helpful to them.


Hally
Title: Re: WebRep Has Just Lit Up!
Post by: DavidR on February 26, 2011, 11:36:30 PM
Unfortunately it is to general no detailed information on, how it works, how to vote, how to change vote, how to interpret results, how to determine if you have voted, etc. etc. etc.
Title: Re: WebRep Has Just Lit Up!
Post by: hayc59 on February 27, 2011, 01:18:54 AM
I have noticed a few things as the day has progressed
sites that were greyed out and had no 'webreps'
and then after I utilized the feature...ie..Outpost forum
Wilders and BBR...giving them high ratings and restarting
IE8 the graph has gone up to a strong solid green
as the day went by...so it must be working rather well ;)
Title: Re: WebRep Has Just Lit Up!
Post by: k.u.r.t on February 27, 2011, 09:34:21 AM
Wow this has been a rather busy weekend as I see :o

Please let me clarify a bit how things work so that your minds can rest :)

The mechanism behind remembering one's vote indeed relies on cookies. However the only cookie that we set is the userid as spg scott showed before.
This id is tied to your votes on server so we need not store all the individual votes on client side. The popup window should therefore show your last vote on a given domain based on this userid. Should you disable the cookie your history is hidden, however your votes are obviously still stored on the server side. When you re-enable your cookie you can see your voting history again. If you delete it however your history is gone for good as server will assign you a new userid. Not seeing your prior votes whilst keeping your original userid however indicates a problem on server side I am afraid. It should not happen, we are trying hard to up the robustness of our servers.
Title: Re: WebRep Has Just Lit Up!
Post by: crofty59 on February 27, 2011, 09:40:53 AM
Hi all

Is WebRep working for all users, as i still am only getting the "grey Graph"
I looked around the forum, but i couldn't decide if it was back online, for everyone.

Cheers
Title: Re: WebRep Has Just Lit Up!
Post by: Vlk on February 27, 2011, 10:02:17 AM
Is WebRep working for all users, as i still am only getting the "grey Graph"
I looked around the forum, but i couldn't decide if it was back online, for everyone.

Should work OK now.
Have you tried restarting the browser?

Also, since you're in Australia, it may be somewhat slower (the TCP latencies are definitely longer).


Thanks
Vlk
Title: Re: WebRep Has Just Lit Up!
Post by: crofty59 on February 27, 2011, 10:09:58 AM
Yep i have restarted both IE8 and Firefox still not working.
When i first installed Avast 6 WebRep worked fine, but since the problem with the server, it has not worked since.

Cheers

EDIT  Weird WebRep has just commenced working, just suddenly started to work, strange.
Title: Re: WebRep Has Just Lit Up!
Post by: Hally on February 27, 2011, 05:32:07 PM
Hi  :)

WebRep ... Just Gone Down Again!  ::)

Hally
Title: Re: WebRep Has Just Lit Up!
Post by: CraigB on February 27, 2011, 05:33:13 PM
Hi  :)

WebRep ... Just Gone Down Again!  ::)

Hally
Yeah same here.
Title: Re: WebRep Has Just Lit Up!
Post by: firzen771 on February 27, 2011, 05:40:16 PM
Hi  :)

WebRep ... Just Gone Down Again!  ::)

Hally
Yeah same here.

its still working for me, for now at least.
Title: Re: WebRep Has Just Lit Up!
Post by: CraigB on February 27, 2011, 05:44:08 PM
Hi  :)

WebRep ... Just Gone Down Again!  ::)

Hally
Yeah same here.

its still working for me, for now at least.
You must be on a different server i suppose  ???
Title: Re: WebRep Has Just Lit Up!
Post by: hayc59 on February 27, 2011, 05:45:12 PM
Down and Out Here
Title: Re: WebRep Has Just Lit Up!
Post by: hayc59 on February 27, 2011, 07:50:13 PM
The Power Grid IS Back!!
Danke VLK!!
Title: Re: WebRep Has Just Lit Up!
Post by: danny96 on February 27, 2011, 07:53:38 PM
Yeah It works!
Title: Re: WebRep Has Just Lit Up!
Post by: hayc59 on March 01, 2011, 01:19:54 AM
ok my observation and when WebRep is installed and running
IE8 is alot faster!
Today its was Out most of the day until just now
and IE8 is a whole lot slower and choppier when its off!