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Title: Avast 6 take long-time boot...
Post by: gd1328 on February 28, 2011, 06:35:04 AM
This is normal or a problem?  ???

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Title: Re: Avast 6 take long-time boot...
Post by: Lisandro on February 28, 2011, 12:53:34 PM
It's a problem if it continues.
Does it occur in every boot?
Title: Re: Avast 6 take long-time boot...
Post by: dagrev on February 28, 2011, 01:26:31 PM
I looked and Soluto says avast takes 128 seconds on my computer.  That is a long time.  Wonder why it's taking so long?
Title: Re: Avast 6 take long-time boot...
Post by: dagrev on February 28, 2011, 07:33:12 PM
I did a clean install to see if this was a reason but I'm still 128 seconds for avast to load.

Anyone know what is going on?  Ver 5 didn't take this long.
Title: Re: Avast 6 take long-time boot...
Post by: DavidR on February 28, 2011, 07:54:53 PM
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Toshiba Intel P7450 2.13 GHz, 4 Gig Ram / Win7 (x64), AIS 6.0, Malwarebytes Pro, RollbackRx, Acronis TI, SugarSync (free).

Well your system is no slouch either and comparing with previous avast5 is a good marker.

Were you also using AIS with version5 ?

However, avast 6 does have more functionality, so I don't know if that might mean it is doing more scanning at boot if some of these applications are running on boot:
Malwarebytes Pro, RollbackRx, Acronis TI.

So their access to the system may well cause avast to do more scanning in avast6 than in avast5. I don't know how early the behaviour shield might be running as these two applications RollbackRx, Acronis TI may have it working overtime.

There were some instances certainly in the 6.0 beta tests with some drive imaging software, so I don't know if there might be something here in these two. Something that you could check with notepad, c:\ProgramData\AVAST Software\Avast\report\BehaviorShield.txt and see if there are any entries for either of these applications.

If so you could copy and paste the full path and file name into the BehS Trusted processes and see if it makes any difference.

I really haven't seen any noticeable difference in boot times from avast free 5.1 to 6.0.1000 on the system in my signature and my win7 starter netbook.
Title: Re: Avast 6 take long-time boot...
Post by: YoKenny on February 28, 2011, 08:20:09 PM
I got rid of Soluto and my boot times went back to the same as V5.
Title: Re: Avast 6 take long-time boot...
Post by: doktornotor on February 28, 2011, 08:32:44 PM
I got rid of Soluto and my boot times went back to the same as V5.

LOL.  ;D
Title: Re: Avast 6 take long-time boot...
Post by: dagrev on February 28, 2011, 11:30:30 PM
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Toshiba Intel P7450 2.13 GHz, 4 Gig Ram / Win7 (x64), AIS 6.0, Malwarebytes Pro, RollbackRx, Acronis TI, SugarSync (free).

Well your system is no slouch either and comparing with previous avast5 is a good marker.

Were you also using AIS with version5 ?...

check with notepad, c:\ProgramData\AVAST Software\Avast\report\BehaviorShield.txt and see if there are any entries for either of these applications.

If so you could copy and paste the full path and file name into the BehS Trusted processes and see if it makes any difference.


Thanks DavidR.  Yes, I was running AIS 5 and it didn't have this much of a lag-time.

I don't have that location "reports," however, I just reinstalled AIS to see if that was an issue so possibly it hasn't been generated yet.(?)

I am down to 82 seconds on the last boot.

YoKenny- I may indeed try removing Soluto if nothing else turns up.  But it's a nice way for non technically advanced people like myself to easily remove some things from boot.
Title: Re: Avast 6 take long-time boot...
Post by: ace11 on March 01, 2011, 12:38:41 AM
I got rid of Soluto and my boot times went back to the same as V5.

LOL LOL
Title: Re: Avast 6 take long-time boot...
Post by: dagrev on March 01, 2011, 12:48:38 AM
With Soluto I can tell exactly how long each item takes to book, without it it's simply a guess or I have to time the whole process.  And even with that I have no way of knowing how long each item takes.  Soluto is helpful in this respect.  I'm guessing there are other ways to see how long a program takes to boot, but I don't know if it.  So in this case Soluto likely pointed out a problem I would not know of.
Title: Re: Avast 6 take long-time boot...
Post by: doktornotor on March 01, 2011, 12:51:38 AM
Hmmm well... I recall a utility with the same functionality produced directly by MS (analyzing and "optimizing" boot time). It was called BootVis (?). Was discontinued by MS as it was causing more harm than good.  :D
Title: Re: Avast 6 take long-time boot...
Post by: Lisandro on March 01, 2011, 01:50:52 AM
Was discontinued by MS as it was causing more harm than good.  :D
Bootvis never caused harm. It was discontinued with Windows Vista. It was a good application.
So Soluto is doing its work. Maybe any other program is conflicting with avast (or the network drivers are blocking it to load).
I had my slow boots from time to time.
Title: Re: Avast 6 take long-time boot...
Post by: dagrev on March 01, 2011, 01:56:44 AM
I'd love to just get under 40 seconds!

Tech, was that with AIS 6 or 5?

82 Seconds was my last boot time for avast (alone).
Title: Re: Avast 6 take long-time boot...
Post by: Lisandro on March 01, 2011, 01:59:13 AM
Tech, was that with AIS 6 or 5?
Both I suppose. Also the version 6 beta was there.
Title: Re: Avast 6 take long-time boot...
Post by: dagrev on March 01, 2011, 02:06:54 AM
I didn't notice the long boot time till the the finial release.  Maybe I should install the last beta and see if there is any difference.
Title: Re: Avast 6 take long-time boot...
Post by: dagrev on March 01, 2011, 03:23:09 PM
I uninstalled and tried several things but still ended up with a 106 second boot for avast.

It's not causing a real problem as such, but I would like to get this to a normal time frame.
Title: Re: Avast 6 take long-time boot...
Post by: dagrev on March 03, 2011, 09:37:24 PM
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Toshiba Intel P7450 2.13 GHz, 4 Gig Ram / Win7 (x64), AIS 6.0, Malwarebytes Pro, RollbackRx, Acronis TI, SugarSync (free).

Well your system is no slouch either and comparing with previous avast5 is a good marker.

However, avast 6 does have more functionality, so I don't know if that might mean it is doing more scanning at boot if some of these applications are running on boot:
Malwarebytes Pro, RollbackRx, Acronis TI.

So their access to the system may well cause avast to do more scanning in avast6 than in avast5. I don't know how early the behaviour shield might be running as these two applications RollbackRx, Acronis TI may have it working overtime.

I just rebooted and the Behavior Shld only scanned one item, so I can't imagine that it slowing things down.

Last boot was 127 seconds for avast!.  Some of the things I have running actually boot on delay.  Rollback mainly boots first, before anything else.

Any other suggestions?
Title: Re: Avast 6 take long-time boot...
Post by: DraKuL on April 15, 2011, 12:09:13 PM
I uninstalled and tried several things but still ended up with a 106 second boot for avast.

It's not causing a real problem as such, but I would like to get this to a normal time frame.

The 106 seconds is for the TOTAL boot or ONLY for Avast?
Title: Re: Avast 6 take long-time boot...
Post by: DraKuL on April 15, 2011, 12:16:18 PM

So Soluto is doing its work.

I had my slow boots from time to time.

This post is slightly off topic, I installed Soluto yesterday and noticed that my GUI is slightly different than the one you posted.. I dont have a button called feed-back.

Also I watched the video and according to that when I right click soluto on the task bar I should get  "MY PC Just Frustrated Me" , "Ongoing Frustration Research" and "Live Boot Progress". But I dont see any of that when I right click.. I have a different set of menus  :-\   "PC Readiness Monitor", "Advanced" and they contain options to disable it on startup/ exit on boot etc.. Is your set of menus according to the video or like mine?
Title: Re: Avast 6 take long-time boot...
Post by: dagrev on April 15, 2011, 02:12:35 PM
My avast boot time is my concern, not the total time for everything.  Avast is the only one that at times takes over a minute and a half to load.  The most recent time for avast alone was 51 seconds.  I can live with that compared to 121 seconds from time to time.
Title: Re: Avast 6 take long-time boot...
Post by: DraKuL on April 15, 2011, 02:15:43 PM
My avast boot time is my concern, not the total time for everything.  Avast is the only one that at times takes over a minute and a half to load.  The most recent time for avast alone was 51 seconds.  I can live with that compared to 121 seconds from time to time.

Oh ok, Avast loads pretty quickly on my pc though.. but its the other windows processes that take up time.. svchost etc..  by the way you're also using soluto right? please check the above post I made. Thanks.
Title: Re: Avast 6 take long-time boot...
Post by: dagrev on April 15, 2011, 02:25:38 PM
My next item for long boot time is a Windows Sys (42 seconds) which can't be changed, then Trusteer Rapport (25).  So the large load time for avast really sticks out.

There have been several minor updates in their beta and I haven't kept up since it working fine and they suggest leaving it alone unless there are problems.  As a result I may not be using the same version as you.
Title: Re: Avast 6 take long-time boot...
Post by: DraKuL on April 15, 2011, 02:33:17 PM
My next item for long boot time is a Windows Sys (42 seconds) which can't be changed, then Trusteer Rapport (25).  So the large load time for avast really sticks out.

There have been several minor updates in their beta and I haven't kept up since it working fine and they suggest leaving it alone unless there are problems.  As a result I may not be using the same version as you.

Well the last time it scanned, Win Sys takes 26secs, Avast 20secs but it has SO MANY processes running at startup!! 90+!! I removed and delayed 23 of them.. It still has so many processes that cant be delayed/stopped and most of them are windows processes.. different types of svc processes that take 3-6secs each.. (about 40 apps).. which is why my system takes upto 2minutes to boot..

About the version, do you have "my pc just frustrated me" option? and the feedback button on the GUI?

Title: Re: Avast 6 take long-time boot...
Post by: dagrev on April 15, 2011, 05:35:46 PM
My last boot time was 4:21 (avast taking 51 seconds of it), with 71 applications in boot.  15 apps removed or delayed, saving me :51.

I don't see anything like that.  My build from the download is 1.1.1371.0 and is from Feb 22.

Some have complained that soluto provides not real savings because it has to load, but is only takes 4 seconds.
Title: Re: Avast 6 take long-time boot...
Post by: Dieselman on April 15, 2011, 05:53:10 PM
Soluto can only tell you what maybe slowing up your boot time but it cannot speed it up. That is easily done by using "msconfig". You can also disable unnecessary services to save boot time. BlackVipre's web site is a great place for this.
Title: Re: Avast 6 take long-time boot...
Post by: dagrev on April 15, 2011, 06:36:54 PM
Thanks for the website info. I'll be sure to check that out.

I believe Soluto can speed up boot time because you can delay some things that want to automatically load and pause others until you actually call for that program.  Something like Winpatrol (a little) or Norton's startup manager.
Title: Re: Avast 6 take long-time boot...
Post by: Dieselman on April 15, 2011, 07:21:48 PM
Anything Soluto can do you can do yourself.
Title: Re: Avast 6 take long-time boot...
Post by: Silk0 on April 15, 2011, 07:50:02 PM
Avast! takes normally about 8 sec - 12sec to boot here.

Now if you do Boot scan, the long time of booting by avast! is normal to be on order of 100 secs, etc.
Title: Re: Avast 6 take long-time boot...
Post by: dagrev on April 15, 2011, 08:02:19 PM
Anything Soluto can do you can do yourself.

True, but I'm not comfortable messing with too much stuff. 
Title: Re: Avast 6 take long-time boot...
Post by: Dieselman on April 15, 2011, 08:04:37 PM
There is nothing complicated about it. Go into msconfig and its all right there. CCleaner also has a start up item enabler and disabler. Here is the Black Viper site. If you can use RollBack and Acronis you are more then qualified. Acronis itself runs a lot of unnessary start ups and services. Its rather bloated. Paragon Home and Recovery Free is a great replacement.

 
http://www.blackviper.com/
Title: Re: Avast 6 take long-time boot...
Post by: Zyndstoff (aka Steven Gail) on April 15, 2011, 08:18:23 PM
Paragon Home Backup and Recovery Free is a great replacement.
Title: Re: Avast 6 take long-time boot...
Post by: Dieselman on April 15, 2011, 08:30:24 PM
Thanks.............Typo. Backup & Recovery 2011 (Advanced) Free

http://www.paragon-software.com/home/br-free/
Title: Re: Avast 6 take long-time boot...
Post by: dagrev on April 15, 2011, 08:35:36 PM
I'm downloading it now, but how is it better than Acronis and why switch?  I've tried some before and they didn't always work.  Thanks for the info.

Title: Re: Avast 6 take long-time boot...
Post by: Dieselman on April 15, 2011, 08:43:28 PM
Well its FREE for starters like Avast. It is also a million times less bloated. I tried Acronis 2010/2011. They run about 5 processes and 3 of them are services. No need for that. I back up when I want to. Plug my external HDD in and launch Paragon. When its done close it out.
Title: Re: Avast 6 take long-time boot...
Post by: Zyndstoff (aka Steven Gail) on April 15, 2011, 09:11:54 PM
I use it too. IT's light, it works perfectly, it's rather quick and when you close the program, it's closed...  ;D
Title: Re: Avast 6 take long-time boot...
Post by: Dieselman on April 15, 2011, 09:40:16 PM
I use it too. IT's light, it works perfectly, it's rather quick and when you close the program, it's closed...  ;D

+1................Aconris is very bloated and a big culprit when it comes to system slow downs.
Title: Re: Avast 6 take long-time boot...
Post by: YoKenny on April 15, 2011, 10:32:01 PM
I use it too. IT's light, it works perfectly, it's rather quick and when you close the program, it's closed...  ;D

+1................Aconris is very bloated and a big culprit when it comes to system slow downs.
I got rid of Acronis and switched to Macrium Reflect Free and its only 31.4MB vs 98.1MB for Backup & Recovery 2011 (Advanced) Free

I tried Backup & Recovery 2011 (Advanced) Free and it wants Registration information so that they can spam me. ::)
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Please note:
We send our exclusive offers 1-2 times a month.
http://www.paragon-software.com/registration/brf-advanced.html

Its history!  ;)

Product Ranking:#2 in Backup Software
http://download.cnet.com/Macrium-Reflect-Free/3000-2242_4-10845728.html?part=dl-6288502&subj=dl&tag=button


Title: Re: Avast 6 take long-time boot...
Post by: Lisandro on April 15, 2011, 10:37:56 PM
I've tried Acronis long ago. A very restrictive upgrade model: you need to pay for everything. Not for me.
It became a bloatware full of services and processes running.
I've moved to free Macrium.
Title: Re: Avast 6 take long-time boot...
Post by: YoKenny on April 15, 2011, 10:46:29 PM
I've tried Acronis long ago. A very restrictive upgrade model: you need to pay for everything. Not for me.
It became a bloatware full of services and processes running.
I've moved to free Macrium.
You gave up on Comodo Time Machine. ???
Title: Re: Avast 6 take long-time boot...
Post by: Zyndstoff (aka Steven Gail) on April 15, 2011, 11:16:53 PM

I tried Backup & Recovery 2011 (Advanced) Free and it wants Registration information so that they can spam me. ::) Please note:
We send our exclusive offers 1-2 times a month.

It says on that page also: "If you don’t like our messages, you’ll be able to remove your address from the subscribers list at any time."
and this is an opt-in option. If you don't mark it, you won't get messages.
I don't get any, and the product is great.
Title: Re: Avast 6 take long-time boot...
Post by: dagrev on April 15, 2011, 11:20:44 PM
Macrium let me down once so I'm not going there.
Title: Re: Avast 6 take long-time boot...
Post by: area51 on April 15, 2011, 11:25:48 PM
in settings, you have the option to tell avast to load its components only after the system has finished to boot.
Title: Re: Avast 6 take long-time boot...
Post by: Dieselman on April 15, 2011, 11:25:56 PM
The size of the program doesn't matter. How effective it is does. I have successfully mounted at least 10 images with Paragon. I use the bootable cd and within an hour I'm all set. Why worry about the size of the program. What do you have a 20GB HDD.
Title: Re: Avast 6 take long-time boot...
Post by: bob3160 on April 15, 2011, 11:31:37 PM
If your using Windows 7 why not use the built in backup. It does an excellent job
and it's already on your system.  :)
Title: Re: Avast 6 take long-time boot...
Post by: Dieselman on April 15, 2011, 11:34:36 PM
Exactly. Why not use both. I do. Windows backup is known not to replace all files.
Title: Re: Avast 6 take long-time boot...
Post by: bob3160 on April 15, 2011, 11:46:31 PM
Exactly. Why not use both. I do. Windows backup is known not to replace all files.
Hopefully you have proof to back up that statement.
I've been using it since beta days and have never run across that problem.
As to using both, that might be fine if you have nothing better to do.  ;D
Title: Re: Avast 6 take long-time boot...
Post by: DavidR on April 15, 2011, 11:49:03 PM
in settings, you have the option to tell avast to load its components only after the system has finished to boot.

Wrong, it is Load avast! services only after loading other system services.' Note my emphasis, this is only for system services and not other services and certainly not after the system has booted.

This is likely only to shave of fractions of a second waiting for windows system services.
Title: Re: Avast 6 take long-time boot...
Post by: Dieselman on April 16, 2011, 12:47:02 AM
Exactly. Why not use both. I do. Windows backup is known not to replace all files.
Hopefully you have proof to back up that statement.
I've been using it since beta days and have never run across that problem.
As to using both, that might be fine if you have nothing better to do.  ;D

But have you successfully mount several images with no errors?
Title: Re: Avast 6 take long-time boot...
Post by: dagrev on April 16, 2011, 02:54:19 AM
I've used Win 7 restore with some success at work.  Doesn't always get everything right.
Title: Re: Avast 6 take long-time boot...
Post by: Lisandro on April 16, 2011, 03:35:23 AM
You gave up on Comodo Time Machine. ???
Yes. I can't use a abandonware... Comodo is NOT developing it anymore.
So I'm waiting - for some time - for them to get it back.
Title: Re: Avast 6 take long-time boot...
Post by: Dieselman on April 16, 2011, 03:37:51 AM
Comodo Time Machine is no where near as good as having a system image stored on an external HDD.
Title: Re: Avast 6 take long-time boot...
Post by: Lisandro on April 16, 2011, 03:40:23 AM
I've used Win 7 restore with some success at work.  Doesn't always get everything right.
Windows System restore is NOT Windows Backup.

Comodo Time Machine is no where near as good as having a system image stored on an external HDD.
Different tools. Different technologies. Different goals. Apples and oranges.
Title: Re: Avast 6 take long-time boot...
Post by: Dieselman on April 16, 2011, 03:43:39 AM
I think what you meant is "Windows 7 Backup and Restore". That is what's its called in the Control Panel. Not to be confused with Windows System Restore.
Title: Re: Avast 6 take long-time boot...
Post by: bob3160 on April 16, 2011, 04:37:34 AM
Exactly. Why not use both. I do. Windows backup is known not to replace all files.
Hopefully you have proof to back up that statement.
I've been using it since beta days and have never run across that problem.
As to using both, that might be fine if you have nothing better to do.  ;D

But have you successfully mount several images with no errors?
Yes and on different computers also.
Title: Re: Avast 6 take long-time boot...
Post by: DraKuL on April 16, 2011, 05:13:38 AM
There is nothing complicated about it. Go into msconfig and its all right there. CCleaner also has a start up item enabler and disabler.



CC cleaner and msconfig cant delay startup processes can they? even winpatrol wont show the full list of processes..
Title: Re: Avast 6 take long-time boot...
Post by: Dieselman on April 16, 2011, 05:19:21 AM
Delaying start ups is not part of your ordinary start ups. That part of your services. That can be done easily again by using Windows Services. Why use 3rd party software to do what your own OS can do.
Title: Re: Avast 6 take long-time boot...
Post by: DraKuL on April 16, 2011, 05:26:24 AM
Delaying start ups is not part of your ordinary start ups. That part of your services. That can be done easily again by using Windows Services. Why use 3rd party software to do what your own OS can do.

What do you mean its not part of the ordinary start ups? for eg. I have skype running on my start up, if I delay it, it will run AFTER the normal start up WHEN the system is idle.. that saves like 20seconds.. but if i use msconfig/cc cleaner I can only disable it and run manually.. I prefer to let it run automatically but delayed which I think only soluto lets me do.. I'm not sure if there are other programs that let the user delay start up applications... Winpatrol claim they do but wont let us configure all the programs...

as for 3rd party SW, why not use windows backup and recovery ? :P I have used it and it works perfectly fine.. but I was recommended macrium reflect by some users in this forum, not sure why they choose it over windows backup ( if they both do the same thing, and work fine) even Bob said it did a great job and I didnt have any issues either..
Title: Re: Avast 6 take long-time boot...
Post by: Dieselman on April 16, 2011, 05:34:39 AM
There are start up items and there are services. Two entirely different things. Open up msconifg and you will see a start up tab and a services tab. There is no reason to have Skype running at start up at all. That feature can be disabled in the program itself. Certain software runs a start up item but does not run a service. Other programs run a start up item and a service. Then there are services themselves. Read up on it and get back to me when you have a better understanding of auto starts and services. Thanks.

BTW...................Please read what I write. I use both Windows 7 Backup and Paragon.

http://www.blackviper.com/2009/01/27/windows-7-how-do-i-change-the-automaticmanualdisabled-function/
Title: Re: Avast 6 take long-time boot...
Post by: DraKuL on April 16, 2011, 05:43:12 AM
There are start up items and there are services. Two entirely different things. Open up msconifg and you will see a start up tab and a services tab. There is no reason to have Skype running at start up at all. That feature can be disabled in the program itself.

BTW...................Please read what I write. I use both Windows 7 Backup and Paragon.

Yes I know about Start up items and Services and that they are not the same  ::)

There might not be a reason for you to have skype running on startup but I do  ;D

Anyway on my computer, I have several toshiba services running, so many applications and services started by applications running, but winpatrol doesnt let me delay services.. MSconfig ONLY lets me DISABLE the programs/services, it wont let me DELAY, I dont know if there is a way to delay them by using another windows utility but as far as I know you cant.. Anyway as I said in my post above, the option to let us delay processes on start up makes it very convenient for users like me.. I dont have to manually start programs like Skype, it will automatically run it when the system is idle..

Ok, so you use 2 different SW for backup.. but why? and why do some say reflect is better than windows backup ? The whole point of that utility is to backup data and if it does that job well why do you need another SW ?
Title: Re: Avast 6 take long-time boot...
Post by: Dieselman on April 16, 2011, 05:48:36 AM
PLEASE READ WHAT I WRITE. I even provided a link. Services.msc allows you to go into your Windows services. 95% of that Toshiba stuff is unnecessary. Take time to learn your OS instead of using 3rd party solutions. Everything you need is built right into Windows.

I use two backup program encase one gets corrupted. Windows 7 Backup does not allow you to check the integrity of your backups like Paragon. Both are free so why not use  them. Once messes up you have the other. Its best not to argue with me cause you will loose.
Title: Re: Avast 6 take long-time boot...
Post by: DraKuL on April 16, 2011, 05:58:42 AM
PLEASE READ WHAT I WRITE. I even provided a link. Services.msc allows you to go into your Windows services. 95% of that Toshiba stuff is unnecessary. Take time to learn your OS instead of using 3rd party solutions. Everything you need is built right into Windows.

I use two backup program encase one gets corrupted. Windows 7 Backup does not allow you to check the integrity of your backups like Paragon. Both are free so why not use  them. Once messes up you have the other. Its best not to argue with me cause you will loose.

Well I did read what you wrote, didnt have time to go through the ENTIRE site, and why go through all that trouble when you can do it in one click using soluto?

About backup software, I wasnt arguing with you, I said I dont know why they asked me to go for other software when windows offers the same and according to Bob also told that Win backup does a great job.. (I myself didnt have a problem with win back up).. By that post I made I was hoping you could explain why people go for 3rd party SW and not use the windows utility.. and you think I'm trying to argue..

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Its best not to argue with me cause you will loose.

I'm sure the entire forum(as well as some other forums) knows this, and about your computer knowledge  ;D  ;D and That you have 10years of exp  ;D  ;D you made quite an impression when you joined this forum I must say...
Title: Re: Avast 6 take long-time boot...
Post by: Dieselman on April 16, 2011, 06:20:25 AM
I like to try and educate people to sue what they already have.
Title: Re: Avast 6 take long-time boot...
Post by: DraKuL on April 16, 2011, 06:21:08 AM
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Services.msc allows you to go into your Windows services. I even provided a link.

Thanks! So you can delay startup processes by using a windows utility.. Like I said I wasnt sure about it..
Title: Re: Avast 6 take long-time boot...
Post by: Dieselman on April 16, 2011, 06:21:41 AM
Of course you can and that goes back to the days of XP.
Title: Re: Avast 6 take long-time boot...
Post by: DraKuL on April 16, 2011, 06:28:56 AM
I like to try and educate people to sue what they already have.

I assume you meant use?  :P

Anyway again, I only knew about msconfig as the windows utility for controlling start up applications/services.. And you had mentioned that msconfig and cc cleaner is enough to do the job that soluto does, thats why I said soluto does a better job because it lets us delay start up apps and services.. I also said that I wasnt sure whether windows has another utility to let us delay, and as you showed services utility lets us do the same thing.. Thanks..

But There is nothing wrong in using soluto IMO as its more user friendly and has a 'catchy' GUI.. For advanced users the services utility is good, but soluto shows everything in more detail, like the time it takes up of the boot time, it shows everything in seconds, more clearer, easier to understand hence more user friendly.. and according to it, it only takes 2seconds of the startup, so thats not bad IMO...
Title: Re: Avast 6 take long-time boot...
Post by: bob3160 on April 16, 2011, 01:45:12 PM
I personally recommend using Winpatrol (http://www.winpatrol.com/) to accomplish these functions.
msconfig really isn't designed for this purpose and making changes in there can sometimes
do more harm than good. This has already been discussed in a different thread but,
I guess Dieselman didn't like the general consensus expressed in that thread.  ;D
Title: Re: Avast 6 take long-time boot...
Post by: DraKuL on April 16, 2011, 01:50:34 PM
I personally recommend using Winpatrol (http://www.winpatrol.com/) to accomplish these functions.
msconfig really isn't designed for this purpose and making changes in there can sometimes
do more harm than good. This has already been discussed in a different thread but,
I guess Dieselman didn't like the general consensus expressed in that thread.  ;D

But Winpatrol wont let us delay most of the processes/ services.. Soluto showed 96 processes (out of which 56 were customizable- can delay/pause) where as Winpatrol shows much less that are customizable..
Title: Re: Avast 6 take long-time boot...
Post by: Dieselman on April 16, 2011, 02:48:11 PM
I personally recommend using Winpatrol (http://www.winpatrol.com/) to accomplish these functions.
msconfig really isn't designed for this purpose and making changes in there can sometimes
do more harm than good. This has already been discussed in a different thread but,
I guess Dieselman didn't like the general consensus expressed in that thread.  ;D

LOL.............So Microsoft built msconfig into Windows for nothing according to you. And how can it to more harm by simply disabling a start up item? Your not suppose to go uncheck happy. Your suppose to know which programs you are disabling prior to doing this. Find me and IT Pro or a computer tech that installs WinPatrol do do something as simple as disabling a start up item.  ::)

Even if you call tech support with a problem they will tell you to go into msconfig.
Title: Re: Avast 6 take long-time boot...
Post by: DavidR on April 16, 2011, 03:50:49 PM
You can't delay certain items and that is essentially what is being talked about here by DraKuL, I'm sure you are educated enough to understand that and msconfig nor ccleaner can perform that action, just stop programs from running on boot.

Get it into your head that DraKuL wants to delay certain programs from running not stop them, so msconfig, ccleaner and blackviper can't do that.
Title: Re: Avast 6 take long-time boot...
Post by: Dieselman on April 16, 2011, 03:57:03 PM
Does anybody actually take time to read replies in here before posting? I have said this over and over and its very clear. Drak actually sent me a PM. You use msconfig to stop your auto start ups (BTW any program in your start up can be mainly configured inside the program itself. Dont wont Skype to open when you boot into Windows. Open up Skype and uncheck 'Start with Windows"). If you want to DELAY a service the go into "services.msc". I even posted a link proving people with this information. Everything you need is built into your OS. Ok let me explain this to you people like a 5 year old. For Windows 7 users go to Start and type "Services" Open that up and there you go. WinPatrol makes it easy for non techie people.
Title: Re: Avast 6 take long-time boot...
Post by: Umbra Corp. on April 16, 2011, 04:09:23 PM
i agree with dieselman on that point ^^

i used to use winpatrol by lazyness and i removed it coz finally i can do all by myself.

msconfig or services.msc it's enough.

for soluto, i wanna try it but the installer were so long that i stopped ^^
Title: Re: Avast 6 take long-time boot...
Post by: Dieselman on April 16, 2011, 04:19:35 PM
Soluto is another non techie tool. People think Soluto is great but you can do any of those things yourself. Want to know what's slowing down your boot time? Go into msconfig and check off "Diagnostic start up". Then one by one reable each item till your system slow down/boot occurs. What ever that last item was is the culprit. Its that easy.
Title: Re: Avast 6 take long-time boot...
Post by: bob3160 on April 16, 2011, 04:22:03 PM
Quote
Does anybody actually take time to read replies in here before posting?
Maybe if you learned to give advice instead of orders to most of the threads in which you want to
impose your will, your replies might actually be looked at in earnest.
This is a help forum not a forum in which you hand out advice to computer geeks.
Most of the people who are asking for advice are novices and the advice given to them
should solve their problems without putting their systems at risk.
Title: Re: Avast 6 take long-time boot...
Post by: Dieselman on April 16, 2011, 04:25:51 PM
Help is a two way street my friend. If you want help then you need to read what people write.

"You can lead a horse to water but you cannot teach him to drink"
Title: Re: Avast 6 take long-time boot...
Post by: bob3160 on April 16, 2011, 04:28:30 PM
Help is a two way street my friend. If you want help then you need to read what people write.

"You can lead a horse to water but you cannot teach him to drink"
As usual, your missing the point of the type of help required here.
Your still trying to impose your geek cures to non geek users.
Learn to listen before you try to impose your will.
Title: Re: Avast 6 take long-time boot...
Post by: Dieselman on April 16, 2011, 04:31:36 PM
Thats just why Drak has PM'd me. I have taught him more in a couple pf PM's then most. Its called trying to educate people to use the tools built into there OS. Also just Google 'How to speed up my pc" and you will find links telling you about mscnfig and services. WinPatrol is not a cure all nor a vital tool. If you learn something everyday then you will be a more informed pc user. So bob.............You would rather tell everyone to use WinPatrol rather then teaching them about there OS? Whatever. I guess a math teacher should tell all her students to use calculators also.
Title: Re: Avast 6 take long-time boot...
Post by: Umbra Corp. on April 16, 2011, 04:33:48 PM
Quote from: bob3160
Your still trying to impose your geek cures to non geek users.

and then they becomes geeks ! not a bad way  :P (but dont teach them too much, i need my job ^^)



Title: Re: Avast 6 take long-time boot...
Post by: wonderwrench on April 16, 2011, 04:38:23 PM
I looked and Soluto says avast takes 128 seconds on my computer.  That is a long time.  Wonder why it's taking so long?

I would guess Avast is conflicting with something on your PC which causes Avast to load slowly on boot up. I see you use Acronis TrueImage. From personal experience TI is a pig and its very possible TI and Avast do not like each other. I use TI 2010 but backup and restore using TI bootable media only. TI is never installed on my PC's. If you can backup and restore from TI bootable media I suggest making a backup and then uninstall TI and see if it has any affect on Avast's slow load speed. Malwarebytes Pro, RollbackRx are also possible suspects so I would try uninstalling them one at a time and see what affect they have on boot  times. If SugarSync (free) loads on startup and or loads a filter driver I would uninstall it also to see if it affects boot up. Any program that loads on startup and or loads a filter driver could cause slow boot up so uninstall any that come to mind one at a time and see how boot speed is affected. I would also investigate the OEM Toshiba software as most of it is not needed and is most likely a pig anyway. Once you are done testing restore back to the image made before testing and make any changes you found beneficial during your testing.  

I installed Soluto on the rig in my sig and Avast IS 6.0.1044 takes about 4 seconds to load. Keep in mind I'm using an SSD as a boot drive on a overclocked i7 930 so its not a fare comparison.

Bill
Title: Re: Avast 6 take long-time boot...
Post by: Umbra Corp. on April 16, 2011, 06:09:34 PM
MBAM pro slow down a lot the boot, specially with the real-time module. and it is not so vital to have it.

i used true image (and set to manual somes services)and i dont saw it take too much time on boot.
Title: Re: Avast 6 take long-time boot...
Post by: YoKenny on April 16, 2011, 07:12:22 PM
MBAM pro slow down a lot the boot, specially with the real-time module. and it is not so vital to have it.

i used true image (and set to manual somes services)and i dont saw it take too much time on boot.
I gave up on True Image as it crashed my XP Pro system!

You do not indicate in your signature if you are running XP, Vista or Windows 7 32 or 64bit. ???
Title: Re: Avast 6 take long-time boot...
Post by: Umbra Corp. on April 16, 2011, 07:17:16 PM
done, w7 x64

why?
Title: Re: Avast 6 take long-time boot...
Post by: bob3160 on April 16, 2011, 07:20:19 PM
done, w7 x64

why?
Should you have a problem, that information makes it easier to correctly answer your question.
Title: Re: Avast 6 take long-time boot...
Post by: Umbra Corp. on April 16, 2011, 07:22:35 PM
ah ok ^^

for info i used a small software (more a script than a SW) to calculate my restart-time:  result : 93 sec.

the sw is named "restart time"... ^^

true image 2011 has many tools that i found usefull. so i stick with it, i like the speed and compression level.
Title: Re: Avast 6 take long-time boot...
Post by: bob3160 on April 16, 2011, 09:01:52 PM
@ umbrapolaris,
I think that one of the top ten image hosting sites would be much better
suited than the one hidden in your signature :
Code: [Select]
http://www.bild.me/regeln.php
Title: Re: Avast 6 take long-time boot...
Post by: DavidR on April 16, 2011, 09:19:44 PM
Not hidden, completely gone if you add it to adblock plus, which I do with mist images in signatures, just takes up extra screen space. ;D
Title: Re: Avast 6 take long-time boot...
Post by: Umbra Corp. on April 17, 2011, 03:32:35 PM
@ umbrapolaris,
I think that one of the top ten image hosting sites would be much better

some suggestions? i used imageshack before but it dont work like before.
Title: Re: Avast 6 take long-time boot...
Post by: Dieselman on April 17, 2011, 03:36:53 PM
ImageShack and TinyPic are very good.
Title: Re: Avast 6 take long-time boot...
Post by: Asyn on April 17, 2011, 03:53:19 PM
ImageShack and TinyPic are very good.

Guys, please just drop these annoying graphical signatures...!!!! ::)
That's not comodo forum. :P
Thanks,
asyn
Title: Re: Avast 6 take long-time boot...
Post by: bob3160 on April 17, 2011, 03:55:11 PM
ImageShack and TinyPic are very good.
Actually ImaeShack is not.
http://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=19387.msg607564#msg607564 (http://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=19387.msg607564#msg607564)
Since this is an international forum using a service which blocks certain countries is not acceptable.
Photobucket (http://photobucket.com/?link=topmenu) is an alternative that isn't blocked anywhere.
Title: Re: Avast 6 take long-time boot...
Post by: Asyn on April 17, 2011, 03:58:36 PM
Not hidden, completely gone if you add it to adblock plus, which I do with mist images in signatures, just takes up extra screen space. ;D

You, me and some around can do that, others may have a problem.
Again, drop these graphical sigs..!!
Title: Re: Avast 6 take long-time boot...
Post by: Dieselman on April 17, 2011, 04:04:34 PM
When its a rule violation then we will. Till then stop the whining. Thanks. Several other sites allow it and forums. Notice how you cannot click on mine.
Title: Re: Avast 6 take long-time boot...
Post by: Umbra Corp. on April 17, 2011, 04:09:23 PM
When its a rule violation then we will. Till then stop the whining. Thanks. Several other sites allow it and forums. Notice how you cannot click on mine.

+1.

using photobucket. work well ^^
Title: Re: Avast 6 take long-time boot...
Post by: Asyn on April 17, 2011, 04:10:00 PM
When its a rule violation then we will.

No, it's no rule violation, but still not needed at all....
Btw, why do you speak for both of you. ??? ;D
Title: Re: Avast 6 take long-time boot...
Post by: Dieselman on April 17, 2011, 04:12:23 PM
When its a rule violation then we will.

No, it's no rule violation, but still not needed at all....
Btw, why do you speak for both of you. ??? ;D


Because I have a split personality disorder.
Title: Re: Avast 6 take long-time boot...
Post by: Asyn on April 17, 2011, 04:13:30 PM
Because I have a split personality disorder.

Ok, have fun with yourself.
Title: Re: Avast 6 take long-time boot...
Post by: Dieselman on April 17, 2011, 04:15:26 PM
Because I have a split personality disorder.

Ok, have fun with yourself.


It would be helpful next time if you actually stuck to the topic at hand. Don't like my sig then send me a PM. The topic at hand is boot times.
Title: Re: Avast 6 take long-time boot...
Post by: Umbra Corp. on April 17, 2011, 04:16:44 PM
Because I have a split personality disorder.

hahaha

he speak for both of us because he know i will keep it ^^
Title: Re: Avast 6 take long-time boot...
Post by: DavidR on April 17, 2011, 04:17:22 PM
Not hidden, completely gone if you add it to adblock plus, which I do with mist images in signatures, just takes up extra screen space. ;D

You, me and some around can do that, others may have a problem.
Again, drop these graphical sigs..!!

Options for those not on firefox or a browser with adblock plus style extension: Add to hosts file and or firewall blocking or as someone else mentioned avasts Site Blocking ;D
Title: Re: Avast 6 take long-time boot...
Post by: logos on April 17, 2011, 04:17:28 PM
@asyn just adblock the pick if you mind it ;)
Title: Re: Avast 6 take long-time boot...
Post by: bob3160 on April 17, 2011, 04:20:00 PM
ImageShack and TinyPic are very good.
Actually ImaeShack is not.
http://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=19387.msg607564#msg607564 (http://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=19387.msg607564#msg607564)
Since this is an international forum using a service which blocks certain countries is not acceptable.
Photobucket (http://photobucket.com/?link=topmenu) is an alternative that isn't blocked anywhere.
Please stop telling others to stay on topic. (People who live in glass houses . . . . .)
Title: Re: Avast 6 take long-time boot...
Post by: Dieselman on April 17, 2011, 04:23:07 PM
You people don't stop.................LOL. Thread is completely hijacked now.
Title: Re: Avast 6 take long-time boot...
Post by: Asyn on April 17, 2011, 04:25:22 PM
@asyn just adblock the pick if you mind it ;)

I already did, and am not asking them to remove their graphical sigs for me. ;)
I can imagine a forum with lots of colourful pics and no relevant info in between.
And I don't like it. :( >:(
Title: Re: Avast 6 take long-time boot...
Post by: Dieselman on April 17, 2011, 04:27:41 PM
@asyn just adblock the pick if you mind it ;)

I already did, and am not asking them to remove their graphical sigs for me. ;)
I can imagine a forum with lots of colourful pics and no relevant info in between.
And I don't like it. :( >:(


Such as your comments alone. BTW..............There is no u in colorful.
Title: Re: Avast 6 take long-time boot...
Post by: logos on April 17, 2011, 04:27:46 PM
You people don't stop.................LOL. Thread is completely hijacked now.

let's hijack it a bit more then... the problem is not the content of your posts... many of them are relevant... the problem is the way you post them... systematically unpleasant... and so obviously not here to help but to show that you know this and that better than the others... the longer you'll be using the bragging tone, the more people will be reluctant to accept your posts - explaining why many don't even bother to read them - and again, whatever the content is.
Title: Re: Avast 6 take long-time boot...
Post by: Asyn on April 17, 2011, 04:33:30 PM
There is no u in colorful.

In British English (Oxford English) there is.
Title: Re: Avast 6 take long-time boot...
Post by: logos on April 17, 2011, 04:35:06 PM
spammer above (nightwish...) needs a spell checker lol delete that I already reported it twice!!!
Title: Re: Avast 6 take long-time boot...
Post by: Asyn on April 17, 2011, 04:37:19 PM
There is no u in colorful.

In British English (Oxford English) there is.

Sorry, not everyone speaks 'perfect' American English, btw.
Title: Re: Avast 6 take long-time boot...
Post by: bob3160 on April 17, 2011, 04:37:38 PM
spammer above (nightwish...) needs a spell checker lol delete that I already reported it twice!!!
Reply #104
Title: Re: Avast 6 take long-time boot...
Post by: Umbra Corp. on April 17, 2011, 04:38:38 PM
damn where did i put my pop corn ^^
Title: Re: Avast 6 take long-time boot...
Post by: CChamp on April 17, 2011, 04:41:09 PM
I think this thread is starting to head in a different direction. The initial subject is Avast boot time. Which by the way by my Soluto Avast is taking 72 sec. Not overly bad for the protection I'm getting.
Title: Re: Avast 6 take long-time boot...
Post by: bob3160 on April 17, 2011, 04:46:06 PM
I think this thread is starting to head in a different direction. The initial subject is Avast boot time. Which by the way by my Soluto Avast is taking 72 sec. Not overly bad for the protection I'm getting.
Mine is also just over one minute and I agree with your statement about the protection.  :)
Title: Re: Avast 6 take long-time boot...
Post by: DraKuL on April 18, 2011, 07:28:34 AM
I think this thread is starting to head in a different direction. The initial subject is Avast boot time. Which by the way by my Soluto Avast is taking 72 sec. Not overly bad for the protection I'm getting.
Mine is also just over one minute and I agree with your statement about the protection.  :)

At first I thought the "slow-ness" is because of the specs.. but Bob, according to your sig you have 4gb RAM and I'm guessing you have a decent processor + a good HDD ? Then how can it take so long  ??? Mine used to be high ( the entire boot, not only Avast, but after installing soluto the total boot time ranges from 1:10-1:50 (minutes and seconds  ;D) Avast loads in 20secs(max)

But today I tried soluto on a friend's laptop - it was pretty old, 2gb ram, 2ghz dualcore processor and it had a LOT of applications running at startup, still everything loaded in 1:40 and after delaying some it boots in just 1minute.. He has Avast free 6.0.100 and using windows firewall..
Title: Re: Avast 6 take long-time boot...
Post by: DraKuL on April 18, 2011, 07:36:02 AM
Not hidden, completely gone if you add it to adblock plus, which I do with mist images in signatures, just takes up extra screen space. ;D

Is this what you're talking about?

https://chrome.google.com/extensions/detail/gighmmpiobklfepjocnamgkkbiglidom

Is it safe to have this on while accessing sensitive data online? (Chrome gave me a warning saying it can access everything that I have in tabs  :-\)
Title: Re: Avast 6 take long-time boot...
Post by: DavidR on April 18, 2011, 04:04:46 PM
Yes, that is the sort of thing, but I don't know if this one gives you the option to selectively right click on an image and have it added as a custom blocked item. Rather than from its own list of blocked ad sites, etc. The actual image in a signature wouldn't normally be considers as an ad by these blockers.

So when I right click on the image in the signature (see example image-top), I have a menu item for ABP (AdBlock Plus), selecting that brings up another window (image-bottom), you can either accept that selection, or one of the other options. I generally go for custom as that is just for that single image as some of the other options would be undesirable as they would trap other innocent images/objects, so you have to exercise care.
Title: Re: Avast 6 take long-time boot...
Post by: DraKuL on April 19, 2011, 09:41:40 AM
Yes David thats what I have on Chrome :) Thanks! This makes it a lot easier for me as I hate seeing these annoying Ads on sites.. I can disable Sig-pics but I dont mind seeing them :)

Title: Re: Avast 6 take long-time boot...
Post by: DavidR on April 19, 2011, 03:01:23 PM
You're welcome.