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Title: Defrag Registry
Post by: Jack421 on April 04, 2011, 04:06:22 AM
Can Defragging The registry affect avast without one knowing with a program such as Glary Utilities!  Not Cleaning Registry only defragging it!
Title: Re: Defrag Registry
Post by: Dch48 on April 04, 2011, 05:11:38 AM
It shouldn't hurt anything. I use the XP version of PcTools Registry Mechanic to periodically "compact" the registry which is doing the same thing.
Title: Re: Defrag Registry
Post by: meepo88 on April 04, 2011, 08:17:03 AM
Can Defragging The registry affect avast without one knowing with a program such as Glary Utilities!  Not Cleaning Registry only defragging it!


After cleaning my registry with Glary Utilities I noticed that Avast's windows gadget stopped working, to get it to work again I had to re-run the Avast set up and repair it.. The gadget was there but the buttons stopped working, removing it and re-adding didnt help.. - I told you this just in case that you might also come across this issue since you're using that program.
Title: Re: Defrag Registry
Post by: SafeSurf on April 04, 2011, 11:56:09 AM
I have no problem using Puran Defrag (regular and boot-time defrag) with Avast.  I also use CCleaner's registry cleaner without problems with Avast as well.
Title: Re: Defrag Registry
Post by: Zyndstoff (aka Steven Gail) on April 04, 2011, 12:00:30 PM
What is the deeper sense in defragging the registry?
Even cleaning it is not really needed, but defragging?
Title: Re: Defrag Registry
Post by: doktornotor on April 04, 2011, 12:21:19 PM
What is the deeper sense in defragging the registry?
Even cleaning it is not really needed, but defragging?

Shrug. So that it is not scattered all over your drive? Mostly snake oil, unless you have a huuuuge registry and really slow HDD, at which point I am afraid you have much bigger problems than fragmented registry files.  :D
Title: Re: Defrag Registry
Post by: Zyndstoff (aka Steven Gail) on April 04, 2011, 12:40:46 PM
What is the deeper sense in defragging the registry?
Even cleaning it is not really needed, but defragging?

Shrug. So that it is not scattered all over your drive? Mostly snake oil, unless you have a huuuuge registry and really slow HDD, at which point I am afraid you have much bigger problems than fragmented registry files.  :D

...unless you have a gigantic, super extremely huuuuge registry and really unbelievably slow HDD...

 ;D
Title: Re: Defrag Registry
Post by: Lisandro on April 04, 2011, 01:40:34 PM
Defragmentation: does not harm, on contrary.
Cleaning, hmmm..., generally does more harm than any good. The myth of a faster computer is still on the air...
Puran Defrag is quite good.
Title: Re: Defrag Registry
Post by: Zyndstoff (aka Steven Gail) on April 04, 2011, 01:59:43 PM
This is about defrag of registry. That's just simply unneccessary.  8)

Defragmentation of disk is okay - unless you run Vista or higher. There is no need any more because Vista and 7 defrag "on the fly".
Title: Re: Defrag Registry
Post by: Jack421 on April 05, 2011, 09:45:33 AM
What is the deeper sense in defragging the registry?
Even cleaning it is not really needed, but defragging?

Well most people say its snake oil but I have noticed improvements after use from prior to use getting frequent crashes and blue screens from corrupted registry conflicting I usually do not notice speed issues such are usually the result of hard drive fragmentation!
Title: Re: Defrag Registry
Post by: Zyndstoff (aka Steven Gail) on April 05, 2011, 09:50:20 AM
What is the deeper sense in defragging the registry?
Even cleaning it is not really needed, but defragging?

Well most people say its snake oil but I have noticed improvements after use from prior to use getting frequent crashes and blue screens from corrupted registry conflicting I usually do not notice speed issues such are usually the result of hard drive fragmentation!

Well, registry cleaning - okay, maybe now and then it may straighten issues out. Rare, but possible.

But registry defragmentation is just a waste of time and hazardous since it can destroy the reg-file when you're unlucky.  8)
Title: Re: Defrag Registry
Post by: Lisandro on April 05, 2011, 02:58:19 PM
But registry defragmentation is just a waste of time and hazardous since it can destroy the reg-file when you're unlucky.  8)
Sorry, but why do you think you may cause any harm on defragmenting the files? ???
Title: Re: Defrag Registry
Post by: Zyndstoff (aka Steven Gail) on April 05, 2011, 03:18:35 PM
Just like any operation where parts of a file are read, rearranged and written back.

Every normal HD-defrag tool shows some kind of "warning" like "information may be lost", and the registry is nothing but a file.
Title: Re: Defrag Registry
Post by: Lisandro on April 05, 2011, 03:22:27 PM
Just like any operation where parts of a file are read, rearranged and written back.

Every normal HD-defrag tool shows some kind of "warning" like "information may be lost", and the registry is nothing but a file.
Any decent file defragmentation tool has security routines to avoid file degradation.
The computer could fail, the power could be turned of... They're prepared to not degrade the files.
Title: Re: Defrag Registry
Post by: Zyndstoff (aka Steven Gail) on April 05, 2011, 03:24:51 PM
I admire your strong believes in technical achievements (after all you are called Tech  ;D ).
Anyway, even if it is not hazardous, it is unneccessary.
Title: Re: Defrag Registry
Post by: Lisandro on April 05, 2011, 03:28:26 PM
Anyway, even if it is not hazardous, it is unneccessary.
Like any other file fragmented on Windows, it could be defragmented.
Even more if it is often used.
Title: Re: Defrag Registry
Post by: Zyndstoff (aka Steven Gail) on April 05, 2011, 03:31:35 PM
Win Vista and Win 7 defrag constantly, on the fly.  ::)
Title: Re: Defrag Registry
Post by: Lisandro on April 05, 2011, 03:38:25 PM
Win Vista and Win 7 defrag constantly, on the fly.  ::)
Used files? Myth...
Title: Re: Defrag Registry
Post by: DavidCo on April 05, 2011, 03:56:34 PM
Vista's Registry Virtualization.

http://www.winvistaclub.com/f23.html

It does not defrag on the fly
Title: Re: Defrag Registry
Post by: Nesivos on April 05, 2011, 04:09:42 PM
If you are using Linux or a SSD then the majority opinion is that you don't need to defrag either the drive or the registry

http://www.sevenforums.com/performance-maintenance/8998-ssd-defrag-not-defrag.html (http://www.sevenforums.com/performance-maintenance/8998-ssd-defrag-not-defrag.html)

http://www.ghacks.net/2010/06/07/does-linux-need-to-be-defragd/ (http://www.ghacks.net/2010/06/07/does-linux-need-to-be-defragd/)

Title: Re: Defrag Registry
Post by: Nesivos on April 05, 2011, 04:29:54 PM
Their a couple of advantages to defragging your HDD.

1.  Improved performance especially if you are using over 50% of the drive space.
2.  Increased life of the HDD because when the HDD is not defgramented the movement of the the read/write assembly which is a mechanical part on a HDD is reduced and therefore the life the HDD is increased
3.  Improves backup speed
4.  Improves security

As far as defgragging the Registry when using Windows 7 and a HDD this is a hotly debated subject on which those for and against are generally intractable in their opinions.

 
Title: Re: Defrag Registry
Post by: DavidCo on April 05, 2011, 05:35:05 PM
Bring back the INI file :D

On a more serious note Microsoft did consider a more 'up to date' version of the INI
XML was mentioned but there are security issues.
The had to buy SysInternals to get MarkR 'cos they no longer 'knew' how things worked :o
Title: Re: Defrag Registry
Post by: Dch48 on April 06, 2011, 12:00:31 AM
Their a couple of advantages to defragging your HDD.

1.  Improved performance especially if you are using over 50% of the drive space.
2.  Increased life of the HDD because when the HDD is not defgramented the movement of the the read/write assembly which is a mechanical part on a HDD is reduced and therefore the life the HDD is increased
3.  Improves backup speed
4.  Improves security

As far as defgragging the Registry when using Windows 7 and a HDD this is a hotly debated subject on which those for and against are generally intractable in their opinions.

 
Reason number 2 is only true if you do NOT do things like auto-defrags and/or scheduled defrags. If you do those things, you can significantly decrease the life span of the HDD.
Title: Re: Defrag Registry
Post by: Kilia on April 06, 2011, 08:28:25 AM
Their a couple of advantages to defragging your HDD.

1.  Improved performance especially if you are using over 50% of the drive space.
2.  Increased life of the HDD because when the HDD is not defgramented the movement of the the read/write assembly which is a mechanical part on a HDD is reduced and therefore the life the HDD is increased
3.  Improves backup speed
4.  Improves security

As far as defgragging the Registry when using Windows 7 and a HDD this is a hotly debated subject on which those for and against are generally intractable in their opinions.

 
Reason number 2 is only true if you do NOT do things like auto-defrags and/or scheduled defrags. If you do those things, you can significantly decrease the life span of the HDD.

How so, Dch48?
Title: Re: Defrag Registry
Post by: Dch48 on April 06, 2011, 10:59:46 PM
Their a couple of advantages to defragging your HDD.

1.  Improved performance especially if you are using over 50% of the drive space.
2.  Increased life of the HDD because when the HDD is not defgramented the movement of the the read/write assembly which is a mechanical part on a HDD is reduced and therefore the life the HDD is increased
3.  Improves backup speed
4.  Improves security

As far as defgragging the Registry when using Windows 7 and a HDD this is a hotly debated subject on which those for and against are generally intractable in their opinions.

 
Reason number 2 is only true if you do NOT do things like auto-defrags and/or scheduled defrags. If you do those things, you can significantly decrease the life span of the HDD.

How so, Dch48?
Because you're putting needless wear and tear on the drive which after all, is a mechanical device and can break down. Defragging once a week is probably more than sufficient for today's faster drives.
Title: Re: Defrag Registry
Post by: Kilia on April 07, 2011, 06:08:23 AM
Thank you for the explanation, Dch48. Much appreciated.