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Title: I was an avast! Evangelist not now?
Post by: Coolmario88 on April 08, 2011, 10:27:33 PM
My post count dropped and I am not a avast! Evangelist  now.. How many post till I can be an avast! Evangelist again?
Title: Re: I was an avast! Evangelist not now?
Post by: mag on April 08, 2011, 10:31:10 PM
I am very pleased to note that I'm not an evangelist any more either!

(senior member suits much better - in terms of both my age and the length of time I've used avast)
Title: Re: I was an avast! Evangelist not now?
Post by: DavidR on April 08, 2011, 10:41:30 PM
There has been a revision on the qualification on who is an avast! Evangelist, as far as I'm aware that is now over 600 posts. For those that were previously Evangelists but didn't have over 600 posts, if they had over three years forum membership then they retained the avast Evangelist rating.

As mag said about actual experience, this is in part due to some chat style/me too postings just seeking the supposed evangelist status.

So unfortunately this revision effects some forum members reverting to being a Snr Member, which is no slight on those with experience outside of the avast forums as the quality of their assistance/help wouldn't be degraded, no matter what their ranking is.

I think this is down to those who for no other reason seek to have the implied status of evangelist based on post count alone and it is for this reason that it has been revised.
Title: Re: I was an avast! Evangelist not now?
Post by: mag on April 08, 2011, 10:53:21 PM

I think this is down to those who for no other reason seek to have the implied status of evangelist based on post count alone and it is for this reason that it has been revised.

Whilst I am supportive of this in principle, I have doubts about whether in practice it will achieve this objective: if you can hit '+1' 300 times you can probably manage it 600 times.
Title: Re: I was an avast! Evangelist not now?
Post by: OrangeCrate on April 08, 2011, 10:56:55 PM
There has been a revision on the qualification on who is an avast! Evangelist, as far as I'm aware that is now over 600 posts. For those that were previously Evangelists but didn't have over 600 posts, if they had over three years forum membership then they retained the avast Evangelist rating.

As mag said about actual experience, this is in part due to some chat style/me too postings just seeking the supposed evangelist status.

I predict, that you ain't seen nothing yet. Let's start a pool, to see which of the "problem children" will get to 600 first.

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So unfortunately this revision effects some forum members reverting to being a Snr Member, which is no slight on those with experience outside of the avast forums as the quality of their assistance/help wouldn't be degraded, no matter what their ranking is.

Unless all the members get a chance to see the "super secret" list of those we'd like to let into the
Evangelist group, I predict that there will a lot of pissed off "Senior Members" who lost their Evangelist status. Standby for more new threads/posts just like this one.

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I think this is down to those who for no other reason seek to have the implied status of evangelist based on post count alone and it is for this reason that it has been revised.

Let's start another pool, to guess when the threshold will be raised to 900. I'll guess within two years, but, maybe not. We'll see...

Raising the entry to Evangelist to 600 (or so) posts, won't solve anything. Personally, I can't believe that any one would have believed that it would.
Title: Re: I was an avast! Evangelist not now?
Post by: logos on April 08, 2011, 10:57:57 PM

I think this is down to those who for no other reason seek to have the implied status of evangelist based on post count alone and it is for this reason that it has been revised.

Whilst I am supportive of this in principle, I have doubts about whether in practice it will achieve this objective: if you can hit '+1' 300 times you can probably manage it 600 times.

then in the rare cases, it would get deleted 300 times... hopefully.
Title: Re: I was an avast! Evangelist not now?
Post by: sded on April 08, 2011, 11:01:12 PM
In their spare time maybe the Moderators can grade the posts of all the Sr. Members for those that will count toward the Evangelist plateau.  Shouldn't penalize genuine hard workers for Avast! by continually raising the ceiling.   :-[
Title: Re: I was an avast! Evangelist not now?
Post by: DavidR on April 08, 2011, 11:07:38 PM

I think this is down to those who for no other reason seek to have the implied status of evangelist based on post count alone and it is for this reason that it has been revised.

Whilst I am supportive of this in principle, I have doubts about whether in practice it will achieve this objective: if you can hit '+1' 300 times you can probably manage it 600 times.

I suspect if they do that and a pattern is seen then these people are likely to have the me too, +1 entries removed or that they may well get kicked out or receive a restriction on posting. There are plenty of actions that could be taken if they are reported to the moderator.
Title: Re: I was an avast! Evangelist not now?
Post by: Coolmario88 on April 08, 2011, 11:10:06 PM
I hope I get my Evangelist status back. :P
Title: Re: I was an avast! Evangelist not now?
Post by: DavidR on April 08, 2011, 11:18:29 PM
Why, what does that status, do for you or the posts that you make. Evangelist based on post count alone isn't really what being an evangelist is about.

It is about helping other avast users to the best of your ability and knowledge, it is about the quality of the reply and not what status implied by a post count. That doesn't matter if you are a newbie or Jnr Member or Snr Member or Evangelist (with a great deal of knowledge outside these forums).

It should be nothing to do with post count or forum status, but the information that you provide.
Title: Re: I was an avast! Evangelist not now?
Post by: Simion on April 08, 2011, 11:43:31 PM
I hope I get my Evangelist status back. :P

Why? Considering the FUD and general nonsense that SOME Evangelists post, I am more than happy to remain a Full Member for eternity.
Title: Re: I was an avast! Evangelist not now?
Post by: bob3160 on April 08, 2011, 11:43:59 PM
Why, what does that status, do for you or the posts that you make. Evangelist based on post count alone isn't really what being an evangelist is about.

It is about helping other avast users to the best of your ability and knowledge, it is about the quality of the reply and not what status implied by a post count. That doesn't matter if you are a newbie or Jnr Member or Snr Member or Evangelist (with a great deal of knowledge outside these forums).

It should be nothing to do with post count or forum status, but the information that you provide.
+1 ;D  ;)


(just testing to see if it gets scrubbed)

Testing Mods isn't nice either it only adds to their already difficult task.  :o

Idle chatter (of which I'm quite often guilty) isn't what counts.
This is after all the Avast Help Forum.
I have often stated that the number of posts aren't really important but,
helping others regardless of the subject in which you offer help, is the main goal of this forum.
Title: Re: I was an avast! Evangelist not now?
Post by: Left123 on April 08, 2011, 11:49:19 PM
You should have done that long time ago :)
Title: Re: I was an avast! Evangelist not now?
Post by: intrepid44 on April 08, 2011, 11:50:51 PM
I agree with bob3160, I was still am but havent been there lately a moderator over in the panda cloud forums. It should be about helping people not a title and who has the most posts. At this rate I will never make it here I think I average .000001 posts a day here.. lmao
Title: Re: I was an avast! Evangelist not now?
Post by: jadinolf on April 09, 2011, 01:07:28 AM
My post count dropped and I am not a avast! Evangelist  now.. How many post till I can be an avast! Evangelist again?
That's alright, we still love you. 8)
Title: Re: I was an avast! Evangelist not now?
Post by: Lisandro on April 09, 2011, 03:11:50 AM
In their spare time maybe the Moderators can grade the posts of all the Sr. Members for those that will count toward the Evangelist plateau.  Shouldn't penalize genuine hard workers for Avast! by continually raising the ceiling.   :-[
+1
If the "problem" is someone who are raising the Evangelist status, well, act accordingly.
Title: Re: I was an avast! Evangelist not now?
Post by: Zyndstoff (aka Steven Gail) on April 09, 2011, 08:12:13 AM
In my opinion it's not that much a problem of "status" but there truly are some former evangelists (now downgraded to Sr. Member) who provided more than valuable help to other users and are now closed out from the Corner Café, where things can be discussed that maybe are not meant to be seen in public - e.g. this topic we are discussing here.
Title: Re: I was an avast! Evangelist not now?
Post by: chocholo on April 09, 2011, 09:20:03 AM
If you feel that you should be evangelist before reaching the new limit, write me a PM please.
Title: Re: I was an avast! Evangelist not now?
Post by: Coolmario88 on April 09, 2011, 07:04:13 PM
If you feel that you should be evangelist before reaching the new limit, write me a PM please.
Hmm I will try to get the limit fast, cause I got evangelist status fast as i recall so it will take me no time to get evangelist again.  :)  :)
Title: Re: I was an avast! Evangelist not now?
Post by: Gargamel360 on April 09, 2011, 07:27:55 PM
If you feel that you should be evangelist before reaching the new limit, write me a PM please.
Hmm I will try to get the limit fast, cause I got evangelist status fast as i recall so it will take me no time to get evangelist again.  :)  :)
You should not try.  It should just happen.  Trying to be an Evangelist just for the sake of being an Evangelist makes you......not an Evangelist.
Title: Re: I was an avast! Evangelist not now?
Post by: spg SCOTT on April 09, 2011, 07:33:59 PM
Why?

All it is, is a name. As has been repeatedly said, the number doesnt matter, the content does.
Title: Re: I was an avast! Evangelist not now?
Post by: YoKenny on April 09, 2011, 07:35:35 PM
If you feel that you should be evangelist before reaching the new limit, write me a PM please.
Hmm I will try to get the limit fast, cause I got evangelist status fast as i recall so it will take me no time to get evangelist again.  :)  :)
You should not try.  It should just happen.  Trying to be an Evangelist just for the sake of being an Evangelist makes you......not an Evangelist.
Just a spammer!  ;)
Title: Re: I was an avast! Evangelist not now?
Post by: DavidR on April 09, 2011, 08:18:53 PM
If you feel that you should be evangelist before reaching the new limit, write me a PM please.
Hmm I will try to get the limit fast, cause I got evangelist status fast as i recall so it will take me no time to get evangelist again.  :)  :)

Sorry but that is the whole point of this change, what is wrong with being a senior member (which considering is attained at 100 posts, too low) and contributing in the forums, helping were your experience permits. This is a support forum and not a chatroom.

People were just striving to get 300 post to be an evangelist. The forums are full of me too, chatroom style posts, just to get to the magic number. It bears no resemblance on their experience, quality of assistance, just that they reached 300.

I would love it if the whole evangelist thing were totally disassociated with post count but on the effectiveness of a users help on the forums not just racking up posts. Unfortunately there has to be a start point for consideration.
Title: Re: I was an avast! Evangelist not now?
Post by: Charyb on April 09, 2011, 10:32:02 PM
In my opinion it's not that much a problem of "status" but there truly are some former evangelists (now downgraded to Sr. Member) who provided more than valuable help to other users and are now closed out from the Corner Café, where things can be discussed that maybe are not meant to be seen in public - e.g. this topic we are discussing here.

I completely agree with this. Demoting hard working Evangelists to Senior Members is a slap in the face. I'm talking about those who truly try to help and don't post loads and loads of garbage. There are many current evangelists that have remained evangelists due only to post count and do nothing but spam the forum with garbage. And as for the "chat style/me too/+1 posts", please take a look at who is really guilty of these style of posts. There should be another way as suggested by David.
Title: Re: I was an avast! Evangelist not now?
Post by: DavidR on April 09, 2011, 10:52:35 PM
Chocolo, the forum administrator has already said in this topic you can PM him if you feel you .

There really is a problem with the chatroom, me too kiddies, who are just racking up posts with the simple intention of being an evangelist and that is plain wrong and had to be addressed. Unfortunately that does trap some like yourself who do make a valuable contribution.

A long time ago this was also broached raising the qualification from 300 to 500 or 1000 or even higher, boy what a bun fight that was and it was about those who through no fault of their own but the actions of others would no longer be evangelists. So it never got further than this discussion, a.k.a. bun fight, but in all seriousness, recently this has become much worse.

To be considered an evangelist, it really should be something more than just post count, but will obviously be a factor (without the me too chatroom kids), as up to a point shows actual time as a forum member, added to the users contribution to the avast forum (not just their post count). Essentially it has to be something over and above simply post count, were it is post count based whatever that total is there will always be people who are chasing the title and not really contributing.
Title: Re: I was an avast! Evangelist not now?
Post by: Lisandro on April 09, 2011, 11:11:50 PM
There are many current evangelists that have remained evangelists due only to post count and do nothing but spam the forum with garbage.
This need to be solved.
Recently, there are a lot of "accusations" of Evangelists' behavior.
I think we should give names or stop posting annonimously.
Title: Re: I was an avast! Evangelist not now?
Post by: Nesivos on April 09, 2011, 11:14:40 PM
I think that will depend on the quality of future Avast updates :)





Title: Re: I was an avast! Evangelist not now?
Post by: Lisandro on April 09, 2011, 11:18:57 PM
I think that will depend on the quality of future Avast updates :)
??? I did not understand what do you mean.
Title: Re: I was an avast! Evangelist not now?
Post by: logos on April 09, 2011, 11:20:36 PM
I think that will depend on the quality of future Avast updates :)

sorry what ??? can you elaborate? ;D ... you mean when the updates are buggy (or users' systems are lol ) users attack the Evangelists - users themselves - that's it ???

ps: I guess you're referring to tech saying
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Recently there are a lot of "accusations" of Evangelists' behavior
Title: Re: I was an avast! Evangelist not now?
Post by: Zyndstoff (aka Steven Gail) on April 10, 2011, 07:49:39 PM
There are many current evangelists that have remained evangelists due only to post count and do nothing but spam the forum with garbage.
This need to be solved.
Recently, there are a lot of "accusations" of Evangelists' behavior.
I think we should give names or stop posting annonimously.

I agree to this point very strongly.

And may I remind the public that "Evangelist" does not mean "Angel" in any way. This whole discussion is drifting more and more to a kind of unhappy "all the ones" and "all the others" type of arguing.
Not good.
Title: Re: I was an avast! Evangelist not now?
Post by: Lisandro on April 10, 2011, 08:00:03 PM
Thanks Zyndstoff.
Title: Re: I was an avast! Evangelist not now?
Post by: Chris Thomas on April 10, 2011, 08:04:35 PM
I don't care about being an Evangelist or not. These kind of motivations don't necessarily work.
Title: Re: I was an avast! Evangelist not now?
Post by: Lisandro on April 10, 2011, 08:10:57 PM
I don't care about being an Evangelist or not. These kind of motivations don't necessarily work.
But it gives access to a reserved part of the forum. That is the major motivation I think...
Title: Re: I was an avast! Evangelist not now?
Post by: Chris Thomas on April 10, 2011, 08:15:18 PM
I don't care about being an Evangelist or not. These kind of motivations don't necessarily work.
But it gives access to a reserved part of the forum. That is the major motivation I think...


hmm, a little till you reach there :P
Title: Re: I was an avast! Evangelist not now?
Post by: Pondus on April 10, 2011, 08:29:35 PM
I don't care about being an Evangelist or not. These kind of motivations don't necessarily work.
But it gives access to a reserved part of the forum. That is the major motivation I think...
Tech think on this...when your trip meter say 99999...you have to start all over again   ;D

Title: Re: I was an avast! Evangelist not now?
Post by: Lisandro on April 10, 2011, 08:33:40 PM
Tech think on this...when your trip meter say 99999...you have to start all over again   ;D
Will I live for that? ;D
Title: Re: I was an avast! Evangelist not now?
Post by: SafeSurf on April 11, 2011, 08:25:38 AM
@ Coolmario88cp,

Chocolo, the forum administrator has already said in this topic you can PM him if you have any questions or concerns.  Shouldn't this thread be closed at this point?
Title: Re: I was an avast! Evangelist not now?
Post by: SpeedyPC on April 11, 2011, 08:41:28 AM
Shouldn't this thread be closed at this point?


+1 8)
Title: Re: I was an avast! Evangelist not now?
Post by: Asyn on April 11, 2011, 09:09:16 AM
Shouldn't this thread be closed at this point?

It should, as everything important has already been said.
Title: Re: I was an avast! Evangelist not now?
Post by: Zyndstoff (aka Steven Gail) on April 11, 2011, 09:48:01 AM

+1 8)


Speedy, hunting for a higher post-count?  ::)