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Consumer Products => Avast Free Antivirus / Premium Security (legacy Pro Antivirus, Internet Security, Premier) => Topic started by: JohnnyBob on April 15, 2011, 10:00:02 AM
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I have Auto-update interval set for 2880 minutes (2 days) but it is apparently being ignored. I don't know exactly how often, but I see the update popup much more frequently than that. My guess is that it's updating every four hours, which is the default, and ignoring my setting. So is there a maximum limit for this user setting, beyond which it's ignored?
I don't know if it's relevant but... I also have the following setting in avast5.ini:
[InetWD]
AlwaysConnectedWaitSeconds=7200
so it should wait 2 hours after restarting my computer before it updates the first time. Apparently this setting is working OK. But then according to my setting above, it should wait another 2 days before the second update.
Yes, I know the security arguments about updating more often, but I don't buy them. The above settings are what I want. I have a very busy computer and don't want my applications interrupted more frequently.
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New definitions are released about 2-3 times a day. If you do not have those definitions then you are not up to date with the most current malware fighting definitions. How hard is that to understand. Some company's release 5-6 updates per day.
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I think the OP understands that well and he explained it ::) if he still doesn't want to update as advised, ie as updates are released, that's his problem. Now the issue to solve is why Avast doesn't respect other interval settings than the default apparently... ???
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Maybe cause Avast wants people to be SAFE. Cause then you can have somebody saying "Avast missed a virus cause the data base was out of date".
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so what's the setting for? glorified button?
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So people can change it to maybe every 6-8 hours rather then every 4 by default. Not every 48 hours. ::)
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JohnnyBob, can you work out how long it is between each update?
Also do you reboot during the 2 day period? If so it could start the whole cycle again, starting with the 2 hour period after booting. (I think avast will automatically check for updates on boot - after the given interval you have set)
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@dieselman yeah this may be ... should be tested to see if it works with "acceptable" timings... one reason I posted here is that I think I tested that months ago with shorter checks and it didn't work at all, auto-check remained stuck on 240'. I don't care, was just for testing.
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I don't see any upper limit for that value.
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I don't see any upper limit for that value.
oh okay so the OP's setting should work
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IMHO yes, though I'm not saying there can't be a bug somewhere.
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Things must be clear: if there is an upper limit, it should be said. It there isn't and the limit does not work, there is a bug... or remove the limit.
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JohnnyBob, can you work out how long it is between each update?
Also do you reboot during the 2 day period? If so it could start the whole cycle again, starting with the 2 hour period after booting. (I think avast will automatically check for updates on boot - after the given interval you have set)
I 100% agree. Thats every 2 hour from first boot. But if its been days then thats over the time limit. Leave your pc on for days and see what happens.
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JohnnyBob, can you work out how long it is between each update?
Also do you reboot during the 2 day period? If so it could start the whole cycle again, starting with the 2 hour period after booting. (I think avast will automatically check for updates on boot - after the given interval you have set)
Avast does check for updates on Windows restart. This can be verified by opening the AvastUI and checking the Maintenance tab right after restart.
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Or you can use Process Hacker after you boot up and watch for the Avast Updater running.
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Thanks for the comments.
I'll try to make a more precise note of autoupdate attempts and will report back here again when I know more. That could take awhile because I don't sit at my computer constantly for 24 hours a day staring at the screen! :)
The best bet would be a log. I looked and found a Setup.log at
C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Application Data\AVAST Software\Avast\log
which was last modified at about the time of the last update attempt. I'll keep an eye on it as a possible solution.
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P.S.
Yes, that seems to work. I just did a manual update and it was recorded in the Setup.log mentioned above.
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You would also need to disable hibernation mode.
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I've never hibernated. :)
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A possible alternative would be to choose manual updates and not allow auto update. A possible bug not withstanding. If there is bug, the bug should be addressed.
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So what's the answer here?
Avast has a bug and ignores the end-user in order for them to be SAFE?
I like Avast, but it annoys me to have auto update every 4 hours!
I want it do do it once every two days too.
Can I have it with Avast or no?
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So what's the answer here?
Avast has a bug and ignores the end-user in order for them to be SAFE?
I like Avast, but it annoys me to have auto update every 4 hours!
I want it do do it once every two days too.
Can I have it with Avast or no?
The default is 240 minutes (every 4 hours after boot). Change the value in settings -> updates, or set it to "ask", or to "manual", according to what you want to achieve.
If you have more questions, please open a "new topic", as this is an old one.
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I don't agree that because a topic is a few months old, that's reason to close a thread and force opening a new one. That rule is imposed by moderators at a lot of forums and it only impedes proper discussion IMHO. Some problems continue for 5-10 years (or more) before a solution is found.
As for whether this is a continued problem (bug), I don't know for sure. I have too many other things to do to pay much attention. I looked in the log file mentioned above and didn't find clear information either way. I reboot my computer fairly often, usually every day or so, so there's not much time to test it.
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@JohnnyBob,
Avast releases new program versions, engine updates and more. BulmaSoft can't say he has the "same" bug / problem, situation. It is MUCH simpler to open a new topic, clearly presenting his particular case with all the relevant information for his particular situation. It is not about some forum rule, but about a practical / pragmatical reason.
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Here is may take on the logic of this, given the comment by Igor that he doesn't see there being an upper limit.
How frequently do you reboot as every time you reboot that timing would be reset after avast had done its first update check of that session. So it wouldn't matter what update interval was set if you reboot that interval would effectively start again.
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Some problems continue for 5-10 years (or more) before a solution is found.
Wow..!! :o
Any example..???
Never heard of any problem not fixed for 5-10 years...!! ;)
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So what's the answer here?
Avast has a bug and ignores the end-user in order for them to be SAFE?
I like Avast, but it annoys me to have auto update every 4 hours!
I want it do do it once every two days too.
Can I have it with Avast or no?
The default is 240 minutes (every 4 hours after boot). Change the value in settings -> updates, or set it to "ask", or to "manual", according to what you want to achieve.
If you have more questions, please open a "new topic", as this is an old one.
Explain why Avast continues to perform every four hour automatic update (which I do not allow it to do!) after I clearly typed the value of 10080 (in minutes) or once every 7 days in the Avast's Settings/Updates/Auto-update option!?
This IS a bug in Avast and no one from it's company does not want to address!
Here is my suggestion regarding the matter:
Either fix it so the end-user can have use of this feature (Auto-update interval) either remove it from your antivirus user interface program!
@JohnnyBob,
Avast releases new program versions, engine updates and more. BulmaSoft can't say he has the "same" bug / problem, situation. It is MUCH simpler to open a new topic, clearly presenting his particular case with all the relevant information for his particular situation. It is not about some forum rule, but about a practical / pragmatical reason.
Avast maybe releases new program versions but some bug remains the same! :((
And maybe you all just don't want to hear about it???
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Maybe there's a limit(?) and your 7 days setting is too long(?).
You might try my 3 days (4320 minutes) update interval setting and see if it works for you. I'm not sure. I reboot my computer frequently which resets all timers, and never seem to find the time to test it carefully.
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Maybe there's a limit(?) and your 7 days setting is too long(?).
You might try my 3 days (4320 minutes) update interval setting and see if it works for you. I'm not sure. I reboot my computer frequently which resets all timers, and never seem to find the time to test it carefully.
@BulmaSoft,
The above is the most probable reason. Start by changing 240 minutes to 300. This means:
"Attempt to check if there is a definitions' update available every 5 hours, starting from reboot. If the system is rebooted, the timer starts again from zero."
With that setting, if you don't restart your system for, say, 16 hours, then avast will attempt to verify if there is an update available 3 times (once every 5 hours from your last reboot). If that works, change it again from 300 to 360, save the setting and test again (starting from a reboot after saving the new setting). You get the point.
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I understand but I don't have the free time to run such lengthy tests.
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Free time? Tests? All you have to do is set a number and use your system as usual. The info about "when" the attempt was performed last time is in avast main GUI -> maintenance -> update -> "last update attempt", and the applied updates are notified over the tray area.
Avast definitions updates are much less than 1MB. You took the time to ask here, but you don't have the "time to test" it? ISTM then that you can live with 240 minutes for updates or whatever you have set it to be.
Funny. Being a simple user of avast, helping for free in my free time, I don't feel I have enough free time to keep posting in this topic (which, the way I see it, it's solved).
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You're pushing this over the top. So good bye, and good luck! :)
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I don't understand why the OP would not want the latest protection available? I would seriously switch back to the default settings for Auto Definitions Update at least. Otherwise, based on what the OP has said, he could have an infected computer that could be prevented with proper daily updates.
If the OP works for a company, and finds the voice distracting when an update occurs, a virus, or suspicious file is found, why not just disable Sounds in Avast settings? If the OP finds the update pop-up distracting, you can also disable the pop-up from occurring in Avast Settings, but still stay protected.
The OP is putting his security at risk with his settings as he currently has them.
Jack
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Jack,
I don't want frequent avast updates because it interrupts various sensitive software which I run frequently such as burning DVDs. Also I'm not always online and don't want interruptions when I'm working offline. I'm not so worried about viruses as some because I practice safe hex. I've never had a virus in the 30+ years I've been computing, insofar as I'm aware. So I believe that it is only a remote possibility that I'll catch a virus, and am confident that updating avast every few days is more than sufficient for my protection. But if it happens, it happens, which is not the end of the world. I'll deal with it then.
Bottomline: my computer, my risk.
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Why don't you use manual update? ??? It seems the best solution for you.
DJBone
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Why don't you use manual update? ??? It seems the best solution for you.
DJBone
I did for awhile but it got to be too much trouble, and I sometimes forgot. So I appreciate having autoupdates as long as they're reliable as set. The time interval varies somewhat depending on how I use a particular computer. Something in the 1-3 days range is usually OK. I don't mind more frequent updates on peripheral computers in my network, where I can just set it and forget it. But I want it much less frequently on my master network control computer where I do all the sensitive-software kind of work which shouldn't be interrupted.
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My solution for you: update for example every monday, wednesday and friday and deactivate auto-update. Then you can control it best.
DJBone
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My solution for you: update for example every monday, wednesday and friday and deactivate auto-update. Then you can control it best.
DJBone
Alas I don't always observe a traditional daily calendar. I'm always aware of the seasons (Spring Summer Autumn Winter) and the equinoxes, which are most important to me. But that doesn't seem quite often enough, updating just 4x per year. :)
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Alas I don't always observe a traditional daily calendar. I'm always aware of the seasons (Spring Summer Autumn Winter) and the equinoxes, which are most important to me. But that doesn't seem quite often enough, updating just 4x per year. :)
Alternative solution: update every sunrise. Unfortunately that is every day.
DJBone
PS: This isn't a joke! I really try to give you a solution.
Love, Peace and Happiness :)
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Maybe there's a limit(?) and your 7 days setting is too long(?).
You might try my 3 days (4320 minutes) update interval setting and see if it works for you. I'm not sure. I reboot my computer frequently which resets all timers, and never seem to find the time to test it carefully.
@BulmaSoft,
The above is the most probable reason. Start by changing 240 minutes to 300. This means:
"Attempt to check if there is a definitions' update available every 5 hours, starting from reboot. If the system is rebooted, the timer starts again from zero."
With that setting, if you don't restart your system for, say, 16 hours, then avast will attempt to verify if there is an update available 3 times (once every 5 hours from your last reboot). If that works, change it again from 300 to 360, save the setting and test again (starting from a reboot after saving the new setting). You get the point.
I didn't know that restarting or rebooting the computer would matter in this subject!
I thought that Avast keeps record of time (time and date) of it's last successful update, and then "counts" the time interval in minutes until the next time for update...
So I didn't expect that a restart or power-off would "reset" that "timer"!
Thank You for Your answer, I get the point now! :)
Best regards!
P.S. In addition to previous discussion - here is how I worked my way around the "problem":
I switched Avast from "Auto" to "Manual" update.
Now it just pops-up to tell me that a new definition is available.
And when my computer is free (in CPU resources that is) then I click for it to perform an update.
Please note:
I too had no problems with viruses, and I run an old Pentium with 300Mhz CPU (!)
so the need of "saving the last free CPU resources" is the main reason why I was interested in this matter.
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I too had no problems with viruses, and I run an old Pentium with 300Mhz CPU (!)
so the need of "saving the last free CPU resources" is the main reason why I was interested in this matter.
Glad you found a solution.
Same here, I have an older computer where resources are always stretched thin. Those with slow connections to the internet may also want to minimize downloads.
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switched Avast from "Auto" to "Manual" update.
Now it just pops-up to tell me that a new definition is available.
Well, not exactly. The "automatic" option is the one showing you the tray notification and also updating.
The option that only pops up a tray notification is "ask", not "manual". "Manual" won't show you anything, no notification, no attempts to update (unless you manually take the action to update).
As said, if you set the frequency to 720 minutes (12 hours) in "automatic", you will have one automatic attempt for one actual update (as the definitions are usually updated twice a day in avast's servers, or more if needed), starting from boot time.
This means that your CPU won't be influenced at all (not even for tray notifications) during 12 hours after you boot.
To be clear, I'm not recommending any of these changes. I am just answering to your questions with several possible alternatives.
Unfortunately, avast doesn't have a way to set specific time of the day, or days of the week to allow (or force) updates (but the resources used for definitions updates are usually low and/or short in time anyway).
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Ouch, sorry, yes I stand corrected - it is "ask" (not "manual")
I made an error typing my previous post.
I understand what You are suggesting me, but the main reason why it is not practical for me to have the "Automatic" option set at any given time interval is because it will always attempt to update itself a few minutes right after computer boot itself!
And when I power on my computer I need it as soon as possible...
So that is probably the worst time for Avast to perform anything! :)
It would be really the best solution for me to have the option to perform the update in after "X" minutes AFTER computer boot...
P.S. Can I use Window's scheduled task utility to update my Avast (?)
Can it be done by maybe creating some BAT file, or perhaps a script of some kind, and then to be launched by Windows Scheduled Task utility?
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Then it would be best delay the first update check (not extend the subsequent checks duration):
- In avast6 you need to edit (using notepad) avast5.ini the [InetWD] section of the C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Application Data\Alwil Software\Avast5\avast5.ini (XP file location). Location for Vista, win7, C:\ProgramData\Alwil Software\Avast5\avast5.ini.
If you did a clean install of avast6 the folder names are slightly different, \Avast Software\Avast\ instead of \Alwil Software\Avast5\ other than that it is the same procedure.
- Broadband connections, add this line:
AlwaysConnectedWaitSeconds=120 and
AssumeAlwaysConnected=1 if not present (or edit AssumeAlwaysConnected=0 to AssumeAlwaysConnected=1)
[InetWD]
AssumeAlwaysConnected=1
AlwaysConnectedWaitSeconds=120
When complete save the changes, avast's self-defence module will ask for confirmation, etc. answer Yes.
The figure is seconds and the above equates to two minutes, you could try that and adjust upwards if required, 180, 240, etc. With an old system it may be better to set the delay to 5 or even 10 minutes (300
or 600) to give it a chance to complete the boot and stabilise.
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I also mentioned that in my initial post that started this thread. Mine is set to wait 2 hours after bootup:
AlwaysConnectedWaitSeconds=7200
Only Notepad can be used to edit avast5.ini. Other text editors are rejected.
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Just to complete the info provided by DavidR, that setting is for the first update after reboot ONLY and it is independent of the frequency talked about in previous posts (the 240 minutes default one).
In theory, the setting
[InetWD]
AssumeAlwaysConnected=1
AlwaysConnectedWaitSeconds=120
in the ini file (for a 120 seconds first delay) will delay the first update, but AFAIK the "definitions update" setting should be set to "automatic" too for it to work as intended.
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Just to complete the info provided by DavidR, that setting is for the first update after reboot ONLY and it is independent of the frequency talked about in previous posts (the 240 minutes default one).
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Which is exactly what BulmaSoft asked about as his preferred option.
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And when I power on my computer I need it as soon as possible...
So that is probably the worst time for Avast to perform anything! :)
It would be really the best solution for me to have the option to perform the update in after "X" minutes AFTER computer boot...
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Yes, David, I understood that before. No contradiction.
My point was about the previous series of posts (from more than one user), talking about the frequency of later updates, and the definitions update method ("auto", "ask, "manual").
The goal of the additional comment was for readers of the topic not to forget about the difference (between the first attempt and the frequency for the rest) and to set the definitions updates to "auto" instead of the previously mentioned "ask" (so to make the nnn seconds delay relevant).
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computer turned on at about 0530 this morning
first avast update notice, that I noticed, at 0924
so that's about a 4-hour interval, which jives with my settings in avast5.ini
[InetWD]
AssumeAlwaysConnected=1
AlwaysConnectedWaitSeconds=14400 {=4 hours}
UpdatePeriod=4320 {=3 days}
so the settings appear to be working for me, so far, using the latest version of free avast antivirus
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Unfortunately, avast doesn't have a way to set specific time of the day, or days of the week to allow (or force) updates
Can we get that option in one of the next avast versions or an option avast first checks whether the last update was earlier than the time set in "auto update interval"?
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Unfortunately, avast doesn't have a way to set specific time of the day, or days of the week to allow (or force) updates
Can we get that option in one of the next avast versions or an option avast first checks whether the last update was earlier than the time set in "auto update interval"?
Why would you need such a feature with the new stream updates..?? ???
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Unfortunately, avast doesn't have a way to set specific time of the day, or days of the week to allow (or force) updates
Can we get that option in one of the next avast versions or an option avast first checks whether the last update was earlier than the time set in "auto update interval"?
Why would you need such a feature with the new stream updates..?? ???
What are stream updates, how do they work, and why would they be a satisfactory substitute here? I don't have time to research all of these new features added to recent versions, which complicates things considerably, so I just disable everything possible to keep the old standard type of setup which I can easily understand. I could probably read the FAQs or instructions and find out, but I'm too busy with other things. Antivirus is very low on my totem pole. The less time spent with it the better! :) So please enlighten us all with a brief explanation or definition of stream updates, if you have the time. Thanks.
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They aren't a substitute, they are over an above Auto virus definitions updates. They are released between the regular auto updates, essentially for more important updates that shouldn't wait for the next VPS update. But they will only work if you also have the VPS updates set to Auto.
Stream Updates have been explained in a number of topics.
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What are stream updates, how do they work, and why would they be a satisfactory substitute here?
Small and incremental updates, on-the-fly and over the top of common/regular virus definitions update.
Increase protection against 0-day attacks.
I don't have time to research all of these new features added to recent versions, which complicates things considerably, so I just disable everything possible to keep the old standard type of setup which I can easily understand. I could probably read the FAQs or instructions and find out, but I'm too busy with other things. Antivirus is very low on my totem pole. The less time spent with it the better! :) So please enlighten us all with a brief explanation or definition of stream updates, if you have the time. Thanks.
If you don't have time, let the defaults. Don't mess, you're reduce the recommended protection level.
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OK
So here we are April 2012... What is the imposed "valid" range for the Auto-update interval ?
Personally, i want it OFF (set to zero) Or, I want to set it to once every 1 day or longer. but NOOOOO i do not want to tun it to "manual update" because then that stupid alert triangle appears over the avast icon in the system tray and will scare the user and make them think they are not protected, when in fact another and better method is in use.
And since there are so many that cant grasp why a feature is needed and need some type of justification.
1) Auto updates are great, if you want them or need them. we don’t
2) We set up computers that are "locked down" using Windows Steady State or Faronics Deep Freeze. It is impossible to get a virus to infect the OS beyond a reboot. and at each reboot, any changes the computer experienced (including updates) is completely discarded.
3) All computers are rebooted once a day in a non user interactive mode and a script runs to unlock the computers and perform updates of the OS, antivirus and other software, then relocks the computers and reboots again to normal operations.
4) each update takes bandwidth. some providers are now charging for bandwidth and setting usage limits before they throttle you or charge you additional. If you are FORCING me to do updates at your preference, not my need, then you are forcibly sucking down my usage and costing me more money.
5) As stated above, each day the computers reboot and do updates. when they reboot, they completely discard all activity that took place on them that previous day. so even if you forced updates on me, they are thrown out and the updates are downloaded all over again in a fully controlled mode.
6) Am fully expecting the arrogant comment of "switch providers" wow, think we have not thought about that ? nothing else is available for some of the connections we have set up. we live on an island and in certain spots there are only certain providers that have a working signal here.
7) One of the providers charges 5 cents per meg on over charges. How much data does avast exchange on a single update check, even if there are no updates ?
8) As i think i understand, each time the computer boots Avast checks for updates as well ? If the computer is rebooted 6 times in the day (which happens), you are doing updates 6 times more than are needed or wanted and costing us 6 times more money.
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You can modify your settings so that you don't get that stupid triangle notification.
This can be done from the avastUI, Settings, Status Bar and uncheck the 'Definitions auto update' option and it won't be monitoring that choice.
If you set the Auto Updates to Manual, then I believe there would be no auto update 'check' on boot.
Generally the auto updates, being incremental shouldn't be very large (measured in KBs not MBs), but your act discarding previous updates would mean they would be larger. Whilst there may be multiple 'checks' that doesn't mean there will be an update available, usually they average twice a day.
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The update check itself is so small that it's pointless to discuss its bandwidth (I'd say 6 times zero is still zero, but I know you'd tell me it cannot really be zero, so I won't).
But as David said, you can configure what features will be monitored by the Status Bar / notification icon - which should solve your problem.
Btw, regarding the "better" method in use... well, enjoy, but the fact that the system is reverted to the previous day's state (even if we assume that no malware will ever be able to exploit it and modify the backup directly) doesn't mean a malware cannot send your private data out in between - which would be a problem both security- and financial-wise (if on that expensive connections you describe).
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Thanks guys for your feedback and opinion.
David, That looks like it will work. have to verify it.
Regarding "so small its pointless".. yes, that is the opinion most people have about small things. untill all those small ants and termites eat through all of the wood in your ceiling, floor and walls and your house starts falling down. then people realize how all that small stuff ads up.
I guess you have never used those systems I described. no assumptions necessary, we use it on 900+ computers. Multiple restarts each day. We are at about a 1% problem rate on the computers and those are almost 100% hardware related. At a seperate site, we ran an internet cafe and had 15,000 people through the front door in 5 months, the average person there for almsot 3 hours. That is a LOT of web surfing and internet activity. Not once did i have to send one of our techs over to clean off viruses or junkware. If any potential problem arose, restart the computer and 2 minutes later its perfectly clean again.
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At a seperate site, we ran an internet cafe and had 15,000 people through the front door in 5 months, the average person there for almsot 3 hours.
Which antivirus do you use there?
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At a seperate site, we ran an internet cafe and had 15,000 people through the front door in 5 months, the average person there for almsot 3 hours.
Which antivirus do you use there?
Antivirus not needed if rebooting the system resets it to a "clean" state. :)
Most likely talking about using RestoreIt (http://www.farstone.com/software/restore-it.php)
Not cheap but does the job. I know it's set up in our Senior Center.
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Antivirus not needed if rebooting the system resets it to a "clean" state. :)
Sorry Bob. There are tons of rootkits that bypass the freeze/virtualization/snapshoting technology.
I know it's set up in our Senior Center.
And don't you use an antivirus in that machines?
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No it's set to restore each time the system is rebooted.
So nothing is ever saved or stored it's restored to the time the Image was first created.
It's the only way to keep this computer for becoming totally useless or totally infected....
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No it's set to restore each time the system is rebooted.
So nothing is ever saved or stored it's restored to the time the Image was first created.
It's the only way to keep this computer for becoming totally useless or totally infected....
I know. Even this, it could be infected.
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You might be surprised. go give it a try.
Windows Steady State works on Windows XP and Vista. It will not work on 7. Steady State is free at microsoft.
Faronics Deep Freeze works on everything. Deep Freeze is $40 but there is a 30 day fully functional free trial.
As I said in a seperate post, We had 15,000 people in our internet cafe in 5 months. not a single virus or spyware infection that lasted past a reboot. We threw a lot of junk at it testing it too. not once in over 40,000 running hours was there an infection.
Set up a test machine and beat the hell out of it.
If our medical industry worked like this, we would have a lot more cures for things and a whole lot less pills they are pimping on us all the time.
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HawaiianHope, I never denied the power of freezing technology.
Technically, it's not difficult to prove it can be bypassed for some infections (specially rootkits). Just Google :)
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All right, I mentioned this way back several versions ago, you mean it's ignoring the user specified settings on how often to check for updates again?
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No - it's just that the counter is reset when the computer is restarted. That's how it is, and I don't think this is gonna change, sorry.
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I read trough this whole long thread because as an Avast newbie, but a seasoned PC user, it interested me. No slight meant to the responses, but seldom have I seen such obstinate dancing around the original question posted. No closure. Not that the points that were raised would not have been relevant and valid, per se.