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Consumer Products => Avast Free Antivirus / Premium Security (legacy Pro Antivirus, Internet Security, Premier) => Topic started by: dukwhunter on April 16, 2011, 06:42:34 AM
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Hi Guys ,
I'm thinking of trying out PC Tools Firewall 7 Plus and was wondering if during installation i need to add Avast 6 (free) to the exclusions list in the firewall and vice versa ?
Also anyone using PC Tools Firewall 7 Plus and can tell me how to configure to run alongside Avast 6 Free with no conflicts ?
Thanks
JOEY
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First thing I wud suggest u is update ur avast version to 6.0.1044 (See the pinned thread above)
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I think u have changed ur signature now. It was showing version 5.0.677 to me
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Hi Ashish ,
Sorry i've been using Avast 6 free for a while now . Haven't been to the forum in a while and forgot to update my info !!!
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What wrong with Online Armor? Version 5.0 was just released.
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Ok so as I have not used PC tool Firewall so I cant help you with that.
But after PC tools have been taken over by Symantec its developing is not so good..As reported by forum users here..
My suggestion is to use COMODO FW or Outpost Pro firewall or Outpost free....
Regards
ash
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Ok so as I have not used PC tool Firewall so I cant help you with that.
But after PC tools have been taken over by Symantec its developing is not so good..As reported by forum users here..
My suggestion is to use COMODO FW or Outpost Pro firewall or Outpost free....
Regards
ash
You are misinformed. Symantec bought PC Tools years ago but PC Tools is still there own company. Nothing wrong with Symantec. I used NIS for years.
PC Tools firewall is also no longer supported. Last build was in 2010.
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Hi Dieselman ,
Nothing really just takes longer for my computer to boot up w Online Armor (free) & Avast 6 (free) and i am just looking at lighter alternatives to OA . I ran Soluto and the top (2) programs with the longest boot times were Avast & OA and i'm not removing AVAST !!!
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OK for that purpose I suggest Outpost 7.5 firewall which is they tagged as performance edition and is in beta form but quite stable....very very very light for me
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Well according to your sig your using the out dated version of OA. Also did you exclude all of Avast processes from OA and exclude OA from Avast? Windows firewall is also very good if your behind a router with NAT.
Top Free 3rd Party Firewalls:
Comodo
Online Armor
OutPost
PC Tools
Private Firewall
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OK for that purpose I suggest Outpost 7.5 firewall which is they tagged as performance edition and is in beta form but quite stable....very very very light for me
I think you and OutPost need to get a room. ;D
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OK for that purpose I suggest Outpost 7.5 firewall which is they tagged as performance edition and is in beta form but quite stable....very very very light for me
I think you and OutPost need to get a room. ;D
;D
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Hi Dieselman ,
Just went to OA's website and see that they indeed have a new version available ! I take it that you install it the same as the previous one and add Avast to OA exclusions and vice versa , correct?
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Of course they have a new version....................5.0. Emsisoft bought out OA about a year ago. Its best to uninstall your previous version of OA and start off fresh. I tried OA 5.0 just so I know about it but quickly uninstalled it. Man I despise HIPS. Allow this...Block that. No thanks. I am fine with Windows 7 firewall set to advanced security and my NAT.
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OK , thanks for the help !!!
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I use OA Premium with HIPS and prefer the added protection. As long as you add the exclusions to Avast and vs, you're OK without the pop-ups. I've been using OA, but testing other firewalls for years....and sad to say that I was easily hacked into using PCTools FW. So I'm staying with OA, which is user-friendly for both novice and advanced users. Even the beta version is stable and the software is very configurable.
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A router w/NAT keeps hackers out. OA can also be very heavy. It runs about 5 processes adding up to at least 50MB of ram. Do you use Run Safer? I installed OA 5.0 and after 5 minutes I had about 10 pop ups. No thanks. And that was even after running through the security wizard with the "Trust everything" option.
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@ Dieselman,
I don't know what your set up is based on your Signature. I also use a NAT router and use Run Safer on a limited basis, but have no problems. Keep in mind that everyone's system and set up is different, so what may work for you may work differently for me or someone else. I do have a problem with some people trying to hack from other parts of the world, but they don't get far with me. ;D ;D ;D
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My setup...........Very light but effective.
OS: Windows 7 HP 64 bit
Real Time Protection: Avast Free 6.0.1044 (Highest Settings)
Software Firewall: Windows 7 w/Advanced Security
Hardware Firewall: 2Wire Gateway w/NAT
DNS: ClearCloud
Hardening: Emet 2.0 (Maximum) w/internet facing programs selected
Backup: Paragon & Windows 7
Browser: FF 4.0 w/ABP,BP,LastPass and Browser Protect
On Demand Scanners: MBAM,HMP,SAS
Start Up Monitoring: Autoruns
Process Monitoring: Process Hacker
Disk Cleaner: CCleaner
Updater: Secunia PSI
Zero Day Malware Protection: My Brain
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Wouldn't it be easier to just add your set up to your Signature? That way when you help others they know what you have and can refer to it. ;)
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Nah...........Cause then you get a bunch of copy cats who want everything you have. Nothing wrong with my current sig. I see no rules which say your sig must contain your current set up info.
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I see no rules which say your sig must contain your current set up info.
True, but we like to operate this forum more on common agreement than on hard coded rules. ;D
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I see no rules which say your sig must contain your current set up info.
True, but we like to operate this forum more on common agreement than on hard coded rules. ;D
So I should go along with everyone? Not. I guess if everyone jumps off a bridge I should do the same. Not. Thanks. I posted my set now you all can bookmark it.
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So I should go along with everyone? Not. I guess if everyone jumps off a bridge I should do the same. Not. Thanks. I posted my set now you all can bookmark it.
hahaha, dieselman. fidel as yourself ^^
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If you don't like the HIPS features in OA right click the OA icon in the tray and click "disable HIPS features", reboot.
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I am using PC Tools Firewall with Avast 6 ....Spyshelter free and Spywareblaster....on XP Sp3 Computer..."Nothing On Exclusion's List"...Easy fast download and works very well with Avast and Spyshelter....Tried Outpost and did like it, but it was a little heavy for me anyways.....PC Tools I find is very light on resources..Very easy to configure, very light and a small download....works like a charm Tried comdo twice, tried O.A. tried Private Firewall 3 times tried Filseclab, tried Sygate Tried Outpost twice....nothing against any of the Firewalls I just found PC Tools as my favorite....Also After I downloaded the PC Tools Fireweall I went to my "Services" and Restarted them all to allow them all to run on PC Tools firewall than I started all my Program software and all Updates to my Programs to allow them on the firewall....Computer works like a Charm with this Firewall....Very happy with it.... Just my Opinion
Cheers!!!! and safe surfing!!!
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A router w/NAT keeps hackers out. OA can also be very heavy. It runs about 5 processes adding up to at least 50MB of ram. Do you use Run Safer? I installed OA 5.0 and after 5 minutes I had about 10 pop ups. No thanks. And that was even after running through the security wizard with the "Trust everything" option.
I like the HIPS part of Online Armour, that's why I have it, plus it pops up when things attempt to connect all by them selves! I'm used to it since I used to use Spyware Terminator for a decade and I've hence felt I needed something that was a little hands on after that became lame. (I like to watch.) I never run safer only install mode when installing. I'm not sure how much OA is using but I didn't think it was 50MB of RAM, anyway I don't find it really heavy, I've tried many and it was lite in comparison.
BTW when you first install a HIPS program it has to learn (from your Brain) what to trust and the pop ups decrease to the point where it's only the new or strange that pop up for you to Block and for it to remember the action. Yes it is a little hands on, but tolerably so for me and others too, but alas not for everyone such as yourself, which is fair enough.
PC Tools FW wasn't the best, not bad but I found everything from PC Tools add laden and not the best updated or supported. I've never recommended it. I'd stick with OA.
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As long as the topic is what you're running with Avast:
OS: XP PRO SP3
RTP: Avast Free 6.0.1000 Medium Settings, MalwareBytesPro
OutPost Firewall 2009 (free)
no hardware firewall
DropMyRights with K-Meleon (private mode)
Backup: XXclone
Browser: Gecko rv:1.9.1.19pre, K-Meleon/1.6.0 beta 2
PasswordSafe, PrefBar
On Demand: HitmanPro 3.5, TDSS rootkit, SpyBot S&D, SysClean
Startup Monitoring: Autoruns
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As long as the topic is what you're running with Avast:
OS: XP PRO SP3
RTP: Avast Free 6.0.1000 Medium Settings, MalwareBytesPro
OutPost Firewall 2009 (free)
no hardware firewall
DropMyRights with K-Meleon (private mode)
Backup: XXclone
Browser: Gecko rv:1.9.1.19pre, K-Meleon/1.6.0 beta 2
PasswordSafe, PrefBar
On Demand: HitmanPro 3.5, TDSS rootkit, SpyBot S&D, SysClean
Startup Monitoring: Autoruns
No that is not what the topic is. The topic is "PC Tools Firewall".
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I had problems with both PC Tools and OA firewalls with the HIPS parts turned off. What happened was that on the first access of certain apps, (different ones with each firewall which was odd) my system completely froze up and had to be hard rebooted. This only happened if Avast was active. With Avast turned off for the initial access of the same apps, there was no problem and none on subsequent usage with Avast turned back on. With the Comodo firewall without it's HIPS, there were no such problems. My conclusion is that even though you can turn off the HIPS components of OA and PC Tools, they don't really work well without it.
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Dch48, since you were using Avast and OA, the versions have changed. Both software now allow more compatibility with other software (Avast is more compatible with OA, and OA is more compatible with Avast). Users from both forums, and there are many users using both Avast and OA, agree there are less conflicts compared to the previous versions. I also think that adding both software into exclusions of each is a good idea since both are considered security software and this can avoid potential conflicts should they occur although I've never had any. I realize everyone's system is different, and that is why I still recommend adding these exclusions and keeping their software up to date.
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I'm reluctant to put anything on the antivirus exclusion list.
What about if any OA file gets infected? Or the folder compromised by malware?
Just thoughts.
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PC Tools Firewall Plus ....does not have HIPS
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I'm reluctant to put anything on the antivirus exclusion list.
What about if any OA file gets infected? Or the folder compromised by malware?
This is true, but both software (or any with HIPS and behavioral analysis) can potentially have compatibility issues. Yes, you can disable a shield in either software if you like or lower the protection since both software are customizable. Both OA and Avast work differently but also have web, keylogger, scripting shields (in addition to others)...again that work differently. In addition, that is why I layer my protection with other on-demand and resident software that are compatible in testing over the past several years with with Avast and OA.
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I have been using PCTFW Plus for a while now. The firewall performs well, is light-weight and works silently.
Can recommend it to everybody!
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PC Tools Firewall Plus ....does not have HIPS
They may not call it a HIPS, but it works in the same way so I would say it does.
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PC Tools Firewall Plus ....does not have HIPS
They may not call it a HIPS, but it works in the same way so I would say it does.
Exactly. PC Tools Firewall has some new type of HIPS. Quieter then other HIPS. Thats why it does so good on the Matousec tests. But keep in mind that PC Tools is not up to date with stuff. They are slow to release new versions.
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I had problems with both PC Tools and OA firewalls with the HIPS parts turned off. What happened was that on the first access of certain apps, (different ones with each firewall which was odd) my system completely froze up and had to be hard rebooted. This only happened if Avast was active. With Avast turned off for the initial access of the same apps, there was no problem and none on subsequent usage with Avast turned back on. With the Comodo firewall without it's HIPS, there were no such problems. My conclusion is that even though you can turn off the HIPS components of OA and PC Tools, they don't really work well without it.
There's been other threads about the Avast and PC Tools freezing issue and/or broken internet connections. I posted one of the first threads a few months ago and quite a few people had the same issues.
The new version of PC Tools Firewall 7.0.0.123 solves those issues. I switched to Online Armor v4.5 then v5 for a while but had unrelated issues with those. I was getting random oasrv.exe crashes with OA so I went back to PC Tools Firewall, luckily the new version was out.
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I had problems with both PC Tools and OA firewalls with the HIPS parts turned off. What happened was that on the first access of certain apps, (different ones with each firewall which was odd) my system completely froze up and had to be hard rebooted. This only happened if Avast was active. With Avast turned off for the initial access of the same apps, there was no problem and none on subsequent usage with Avast turned back on. With the Comodo firewall without it's HIPS, there were no such problems. My conclusion is that even though you can turn off the HIPS components of OA and PC Tools, they don't really work well without it.
There's been other threads about the Avast and PC Tools freezing issue and/or broken internet connections. I posted one of the first threads a few months ago and quite a few people had the same issues.
The new version of PC Tools Firewall 7.0.0.123 solves those issues. I switched to Online Armor v4.5 then v5 for a while but had unrelated issues with those. I was getting random oasrv.exe crashes with OA so I went back to PC Tools Firewall, luckily the new version was out.
PC Tools Firewall update already mentioned here http://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=9671.msg649740#msg649740
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PC Tools Firewall update already mentioned here http://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=9671.msg649740#msg649740
That's good and I don't care. If I post a response and include relevant info about an updated product that solves an issue somebody is having in that thread I can do so. Now, if somebody mentions a new product in a thread we have to deal with people coming and posting "that's been mentioned already on page 466 of a non stickied thread". Right. ::) People are here to help people solve issues, if that includes mentioning some other product not playing nice with Avast that has been fixed and we talk about it, that's called...a discussion. I responded to this thread because I recall they're being numerous threads in this section about Avast/PC Tools Firewall Plus issues, some of which I posted in a few months ago. I wanted people to know it's been solved.
You're not really helping the cause by trying to play admin. I hope the real admins realize that.
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is online armor better than comodo ? ???