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Consumer Products => Avast Free Antivirus / Premium Security (legacy Pro Antivirus, Internet Security, Premier) => Topic started by: Harikrishnan on June 29, 2011, 12:00:30 PM
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Hi Vlk,
In an interview to CNET you said " by the year 2012, Avast! will be moving at least some of its threat definitions to the cloud";
"Additionally, Avast is looking at running your browser in its auto-sandbox by default. Since just after the release of version 5, we haven't seen anything bypass the sandbox".
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If so, what will be the future of Avast! users without broadband connection (if it reduces database updates in future)..?
Did you mean an Avast! free user will be able to run their browser in Autosandbox..!?
(I'm ready to throw sandboxie... ;))
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If you are still on a slow connection (Dial-up or slow DSL) then you would still be protected with the daily database updates. In most AV products the cloud protection is usually an additional layer of protection against unknown threats.
You should be able to run your browser in the sandbox in version 6. Right click your browser then choose run in sandbox.
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In most AV products the cloud protection is usually an additional layer of protection against unknown threats.
Precisely. I won't expect a different behavior from avast.
I think Vlk is saying the sandbox could be, somehow, moved from the pro to the free version.
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Some people are saying that this recent stuff we have seen from LulzSec and others may mean a delay in implementation, or even the death of cloud technology. People will be very reluctant to have their data more accessible and less private.
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That looks cool :o. Cloud will be soon in version 6 or later in 7?
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Don't know 6 or 7... But according to vlk it will be in first quarter of 2012..
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That looks cool :o. Cloud will be soon in version 6 or later in 7?
In version 7.
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That looks cool :o. Cloud will be soon in version 6 or later in 7?
In version 7.
OK Can't wait for version 7 ;D
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Some people are saying that this recent stuff we have seen from LulzSec and others may mean a delay in implementation, or even the death of cloud technology. People will be very reluctant to have their data more accessible and less private.
One can only hope. I don't get this fascination with "the cloud". ::)
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Yes, there will be some new cloud-related stuff in v7.
And of course, it's not like we're dropping any of the existing detections - this is simply another layer on top of the existing engine.
Also, most of the attention is payed to newly downloaded files. To make a query about such files will typically be much much faster than the actual download, so we can do things even on weaker connections (I mean, if you're downloading a 20MB file over a dial-up, and it takes you minutes, you can typically wait 1 more second to get the result of the scan, especially if it's happening seemlessly on the background).
Thanks
Vlk
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Oh..! that s nice...
Thanks Vlk..., now there is much light on this..;
then what about sandbox...?? :D
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Actually I just love this man named VLK. Apart from community I love his work really alot and new ideas
mu......aaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhh
Regards
Ash
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Hhhh....ha..haa..
Here is one from me too...
mu......aaaaaaaaaaaahhh:-*
Vlk, your pretty cheeks will need a better compression technology to accomodate all the mu.....aaaaaahhhs u r going to receive with the release of Avast! 7... ;D
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Yes, there will be some new cloud-related stuff in v7.
And of course, it's not like we're dropping any of the existing detections - this is simply another layer on top of the existing engine.
Also, most of the attention is payed to newly downloaded files. To make a query about such files will typically be much much faster than the actual download, so we can do things even on weaker connections (I mean, if you're downloading a 20MB file over a dial-up, and it takes you minutes, you can typically wait 1 more second to get the result of the scan, especially if it's happening seemlessly on the background).
Thanks
Vlk
Vlk when am I going to give you a 'BIG' :-* your company is keeping us all safe
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Will avast go for HIPS in version 7! or will it stay with Behavior blocker?......
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Will avast go for HIPS in version 7! or will it stay with Behavior blocker?......
No HIPS. The policy is userfriendly, transparent and silent protection.
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Thanks for the reply.........
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about the autosandbox: i would like to see the autosandbox extended to protect usb flash drives, email, multimedia clients, instant messenger, irc, p2p, and voip not just the internet browser. maybe you could add this to your internet security suite or even better to your free version. Moreover i would like to see a hips with a whitelist (this should significantly reduce popup alerts and also offer enhanced protection from zero day threats). But i think that this should be disabled by default so that techsavvy users can enable it and try it out themselveswhereas your average joe won't get fed up with the alerts.
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"Avast! will be moving at least some of its threat definitions to the cloud"
Personally i would like to see all the threat definitions moved into the cloud for people who have an always on always connected internet connection (desktop users) this would significantly reduce the size of avast. Currently avast is taking up 306mb of disk space even though the installer was 75mb:o (this isn't really a problem most users nowadays have 250GB+ storage space), but it would always be a bonus if avast was smaller in size compared to the competition.
For laptop users(who's internet connection isn't allways guaranteed) avast could implement a hybrid approach maybe have some signatures stored on the laptop as well as some cloud protection. Behavior blocker and autosandbox should be able to detect anyunknown threats.
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Wow. :o
Many wishes bilpo. ;D
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i love avast and only want to make it better. the features that i mentionead would benefit everybody (165+million users :o ). Lets just hope that avast will implement my suggestions.
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I really doubt they would implement a default deny policy and whitelists...
http://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=64382.msg546016#msg546016
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Well I been reading some of these posts on this topic and well my take on this is... with Avira going Shareware or Crapware and forcing Ask toolbar etc. on its customers...Avast is in a good position right now to get most, if not all of their customers...Very many disappointed Avira users....Most are trying Avast for the first time and are very surprised at how awesome it is and what they have been missing...
On Cloud based protection
But maybe I don't understand "cloud based protection," cause I never cared much for Threatfire or other cloud based Antiviruses...They are not a reliable first choice of protection in my opinion, and I would never use Threatfire or cloud based proection for my main Virus protection software...I like the new Sandbox in Avast 6....It made Avast much stronger and more reliable with the highest ratings ever..at a time when Avira died out....Good timing I'd say...I definatey never do oline scans, or trust them much..I prefer the software that is on my computer that I have been use to, grown accustomed to, and trust and understand, and see and work with on a daily basis.....and when I leave the internet for the day, clean my computer and do a clean scan....I can count on my Antivirus that is there and protecting me with my connecton ON or Off..
Anyways maybe I just never cared for cloud based protection, although I did try it, just didn't find it appealing, trustworthy, or reliable....Like they say maybe I just had a bad experience with a cloud based program, and so I blame the rest of the programs or Antiviruses that are Cloud based....Just my opinion based on my experience with cloud protection....I know many will not agree with me....
Cheers!!! and safe surfing!!!
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Avast is in a good position right now to get most, if not all of their customers...
Yes, Umbrellas loss could well be their gain. ;)
The "C" word is a bit overhyped, no? Not totally a buzz word, but I liken it to HTML5 hype, in that it is getting a little bit ahead of itself.
Avast! will not be "cloud based", but rather "cloud augmented".
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If Avast ever added HIPS, I'd be gone faster than a cockroach when the light goes on. I'm not enthused about the cloud stuff either.
I also don't think Avira adding an OPTION to install a toolbar is any big deal at all. Anybody who would leave for that reason is going overboard. I think Avast! is better of course but if they added that option, it wouldn't bother me.
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i agree, hips would upset your average avast user, which would lead to avast losing its userbase.
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A signature set "in the cloud" (I am sooo over that expression) as an additional tool could be good.
Something like this maybe?
You start your machine, avast! 7 detects an available fast internet connection, instead of immediately downloading, unpacking, diff calcing & applying updates, it temporarily directs threat identification of new and/or uncached files to the online database while simultaneously synching its local database as a low priority task.
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A signature set "in the cloud" (I am sooo over that expression) as an additional tool could be good.
Something like this maybe?
You start your machine, avast! 7 detects an available fast internet connection, instead of immediately downloading, unpacking, diff calcing & applying updates, it temporarily directs threat identification of new and/or uncached files to the online database while simultaneously synching its local database as a low priority task.
That sounds good as long as all the servers are up, including the ones between you and Avast.
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For me right now the cloud is more hype than anything else and there is absolutely no way I would want a security application to be completely or largely based on accessing a remote server over the internet (that after all, when you remove the hype/blurb that is all the cloud is).
That to me is akin to keeping all your eggs in one basket.
Whilst for the most part not having access to the Internet would mean that access to much/all of your cloud protection would be gone; it also means that a large chunk of the risk of infection is also removed.
I believe it would be pretty hard to split the levels of protection in the form of signatures and features to protect you from off-line malware/threats. One of the first so called light cloud AV options was panda and that was a 70MB download for the local PC. At that time it was much larger than the PC based avast5 by some margin.
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One of the first so called light cloud AV options was panda and that was a 70MB download for the local PC. At that time it was much larger than the PC based avast5 by some margin.
Just to let you know the current version of panda cloud (1.5.1) is 695kB.
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Why not team up with hitman pro and use the cloud scanner as 2nd stop check just a thought.
I have always liked avk twin virus lists used.
Open for comments from experts.
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One of the first so called light cloud AV options was panda and that was a 70MB download for the local PC. At that time it was much larger than the PC based avast5 by some margin.
Just to let you know the current version of panda cloud (1.5.1) is 695kB.
Well I just checked that and it appears to be a stub installer, e.g. that is what does the setup and downloading of whatever files are required to be on the system as 695KB. So you would need to check what the full installation size on the system once complete.
Avast used to have one of those on-line installers when avast5 was released and I think that was tiny about 300-400KB+ and that handled the download and installation of avast on your system. That caused more grief for many with failed installations if there was a connection problems, etc.
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Why not team up with hitman pro and use the cloud scanner as 2nd stop check just a thought.
I have always liked avk twin virus lists used.
Open for comments from experts.
I somehow doubt they would do that.
Not to mention I never thought much of hitman pro, the only think it found on my system were false positives and they were still there weeks later, so it got taken out. There are also instances where hitman pro has done damage to systems rather than the reverse.
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Oh Heck i am using hitman pro as second scanner!!!!
Should i remove it?
Regards :o
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I've been using hitmanpro for a long time and I've had no problems, it has incredibly quick scans.
@DavidR did you report the false positives to hitmanpro.
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I've been using hitmanpro for a long time and I've had no problems, it has incredibly quick scans.
@DavidR did you report the false positives to hitmanpro.
Yes I did, and they weren't actioned, two weeks later I gave up on it. Well essexboy has in his capacity as a malware removal specialist seen what can damage can be done with hitman pro if files are just deleted without knowledge of those files or confirmation of the detection.