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Title: Laptops/Desktops
Post by: Chris Thomas on July 29, 2011, 02:01:25 PM
I was wondering that which brand of computer makers do you trust? Have got better services or value for money? Or even the driver support in the long run?

And which one do you own now?

I own Acer and Dell

Thanks  :)
Title: Re: Laptops/Desktops
Post by: cod head on July 29, 2011, 03:23:50 PM
I have owned a HP G6000 since June 2008 and have no real complaints.The major bugbear was only one gig of ram with vista which I upgraded to two gigs with crucial at a cheap price.Would I buy another HP,yes.
Title: Re: Laptops/Desktops
Post by: DavidR on July 29, 2011, 03:25:13 PM
Not another sodding poll. Not to mention you can only vote for one, so a flawed poll as trust isn't a single issue/company, you can trust many companies, etc...
Title: Re: Laptops/Desktops
Post by: CraigB on July 29, 2011, 03:41:26 PM
What about Gigabyte, Alienware, Clevo ? make your reviewing easy for yourself and look here http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Mobile/137
Title: Re: Laptops/Desktops
Post by: Chris Thomas on July 29, 2011, 04:10:05 PM
What about Gigabyte, Alienware, Clevo ? make your reviewing easy for yourself and look here http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Mobile/137

Alienware is owned by Dell right? Thanks for the info

Clevo...never heard of it
Title: Re: Laptops/Desktops
Post by: Chris Thomas on July 29, 2011, 04:11:59 PM
Not another sodding poll. Not to mention you can only vote for one, so a flawed poll as trust isn't a single issue/company, you can trust many companies, etc...

Hmm...someone can try create a similar poll....

I was planning to buy a 2nd gen. i7 laptop and I am confused...so i ended up with this poll
Title: Re: Laptops/Desktops
Post by: bob3160 on July 29, 2011, 05:15:44 PM
Not another sodding poll. Not to mention you can only vote for one, so a flawed poll as trust isn't a single issue/company, you can trust many companies, etc...

Hmm...someone can try create a similar poll....

I was planning to buy a 2nd gen. i7 laptop and I am confused...so i ended up with this poll
You could have simply asked for help in the form of a question.

I personally like Dell only because I own 2 and both serve me well.
I hate useless polls.  :(
Title: Re: Laptops/Desktops
Post by: Chris Thomas on July 29, 2011, 05:23:23 PM
Not another sodding poll. Not to mention you can only vote for one, so a flawed poll as trust isn't a single issue/company, you can trust many companies, etc...

Hmm...someone can try create a similar poll....

I was planning to buy a 2nd gen. i7 laptop and I am confused...so i ended up with this poll
You could have simply asked for help in the form of a question.

I personally like Dell only because I own 2 and both serve me well.
I hate useless polls.  :(

You are right...but it seems i cannot delete the poll now..I guess i should have that option...

Although Dell is good...I found out that a HP Pavilion dv6-6166se has usb3 ports compared with a similarly priced Dell New Inspirion 15R which only have usb2 ports...
Title: Re: Laptops/Desktops
Post by: Para-Noid on July 29, 2011, 07:01:03 PM
I refuse to vote in such a useless poll! What criteria makes one computer better than another?  ???
Title: Re: Laptops/Desktops
Post by: CraigB on July 29, 2011, 07:50:53 PM
What criteria makes one computer better than another?  ???
Reliability, support, hardware just to name a few, have you ever tried to find drivers for an LG ? support on there website is useless you might as well chuck them away.
I prefer acer or asus, acer have great support and its easy to navigate there website for drivers.
Title: Re: Laptops/Desktops
Post by: Para-Noid on July 29, 2011, 10:29:24 PM
What I meant was...what is good for one person might not be good for another.  ???

@DavidR what does "sodding" mean? And the British don't like some "Americanisms".  ;D
Title: Re: Laptops/Desktops
Post by: Chris Thomas on July 29, 2011, 10:37:58 PM
I refuse to vote in such a useless poll! What criteria makes one computer better than another?  ???

You are extremely Para Noid!!!

LOL, I admit this poll was stupid....I though there will be option to edit the poll...but there isn't.

David is sodding awesome!! It means F-U-C-K-I-N-G in some cases :P
Title: Re: Laptops/Desktops
Post by: bob3160 on July 29, 2011, 10:39:05 PM
What I meant was...what is good for one person might not be good for another.  ???

@DavidR what does "sodding" mean? And the British don't like some "Americanisms".  ;D
You'll find the answer here:
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=sodding (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=sodding)
Title: Re: Laptops/Desktops
Post by: Para-Noid on July 29, 2011, 11:05:49 PM
Oh!  :)
Title: Re: Laptops/Desktops
Post by: Hard_ROCKER on July 30, 2011, 01:07:40 AM
I like Asus laptops but i own an Acer netbook. Very satisfied with my little Acer, not so satisfied with all the crap that came pre-installed with it though. But i guess many manufacturers pre-install all sorts of crap on their products.
Title: Re: Laptops/Desktops
Post by: OrangeCrate on July 30, 2011, 03:15:11 AM
I currently have two Dell desktops (office and home), and a Dell laptop. So, I guess my vote would be for either Dell or HP. I like HP computers, and I've owned a couple over the years (and only HP printers). However, today, I wouldn't have any problems owning any of the major brands - pretty much the same components inside, just different names on the boxes.
Title: Re: Laptops/Desktops
Post by: MikeBCda on July 30, 2011, 07:48:17 PM
Ever since "outgrowing" my C64 eons ago, I've always bought my desktop systems and major peripherals (e.g., monitors) from a local OEM who's been in business here (and now has some out-of-town branches too) for something like 25 years now.  They have an excellent reputation for service, with the result that even minor shop-work will typically sit a week before they can look at it, due to high demand.  So I'm not too concerned with "brand names".  For peripherals and components like drives, they prefer to stick with (but do offer choices) LG.

And they're probably unique in having no minimum charge for service ... while their hourly rates are fairly typical (say around $70/hour), if a job only takes them 5 minutes then they charge for 1/12 hour.  :o
Title: Re: Laptops/Desktops
Post by: Dch48 on July 30, 2011, 08:03:48 PM
I like HP, especially for a laptop. They build solid dependable machines. ASUS and Lenovo are also very good, Dell is not as good as they once were from all reports I've read.

If you want a good , powerful desktop, check out IBuyPower. They build to your specs with all top of the line components and frequently for less than you buy the components separately. Walmart now has a custom build program with IBuyPower and the machine is shipped to your local WM for free.
Title: Re: Laptops/Desktops
Post by: Hard_ROCKER on July 30, 2011, 09:50:08 PM
<snip>
If you want a good , powerful desktop, check out IBuyPower. They build to your specs with all top of the line components and frequently for less than you buy the components separately. Walmart now has a custom build program with IBuyPower and the machine is shipped to your local WM for free.

If you live in the US. ;D
Title: Re: Laptops/Desktops
Post by: bob3160 on July 30, 2011, 10:53:30 PM
Quote
Dell is not as good as they once were from all reports I've read.
I didn't make my statement based on what I've read only from what I'm using.  :)
Title: Re: Laptops/Desktops
Post by: Dch48 on August 01, 2011, 06:43:19 AM
As you can see from my signature, yesterday I bought a new laptop at Staples. I had been looking for a new computer and the deal they had on this one was just too good to pass up. The IbuyPower beast of a desktop I was considering would have cost me $950 before tax for the whole deal. This laptop has one of the new AMD Fusion Quads with the graphics chip built into the same die and it's just amazing. My old one was giving me an average of 20 frames per second on the lowest settings in World of Warcraft but this one is averaging 75-80 fps with much higher settings. Besides what is in my signature, it also has a 640gb HDD and a BluRay player DVD burner combo Optical drive. The price after a $50 rebate is $599 plus tax. I'm a very happy camper tonight. The complete model number is DV6-6140us.

To make this more relevant to the Avast! forums and community I'll add this somewhat amusing tidbit. While checking out, the manager of the store tried to sell me Norton 360 by telling me the machine did not come with any kind of antivirus protection. I already knew that it did come with a 60 day subscription to Norton Internet Security so I turned down his offer. I then added that I was planning on using the free Avast. He told me that "the problem with that is they are always like 3 weeks behind in detection updates". So I mentally put him in the idiot bin and told him I just wanted the machine and nothing else.  ;D
Title: Re: Laptops/Desktops
Post by: Chris Thomas on August 01, 2011, 11:21:05 AM
As you can see from my signature, yesterday I bought a new laptop at Staples. I had been looking for a new computer and the deal they had on this one was just too good to pass up. The IbuyPower beast of a desktop I was considering would have cost me $950 before tax for the whole deal. This laptop has one of the new AMD Fusion Quads with the graphics chip built into the same die and it's just amazing. My old one was giving me an average of 20 frames per second on the lowest settings in World of Warcraft but this one is averaging 75-80 fps with much higher settings. Besides what is in my signature, it also has a 640gb HDD and a BluRay player DVD burner combo Optical drive. The price after a $50 rebate is $599 plus tax. I'm a very happy camper tonight. The complete model number is DV6-6140us.

To make this more relevant to the Avast! forums and community I'll add this somewhat amusing tidbit. While checking out, the manager of the store tried to sell me Norton 360 by telling me the machine did not come with any kind of antivirus protection. I already knew that it did come with a 60 day subscription to Norton Internet Security so I turned down his offer. I then added that I was planning on using the free Avast. He told me that "the problem with that is they are always like 3 weeks behind in detection updates". So I mentally put him in the idiot bin and told him I just wanted the machine and nothing else.  ;D

Hmm...pretty cool deal...although I wish i knew more about AMD Fusion Quads when they are compared with Intel i series...I guess I will google it out.

I would have asked him from where did he get this notion that Avast is 3 weeks behind :D

Yup, a lot of new PCs are coming with a load of crap...uninstalling those takes your time.
Title: Re: Laptops/Desktops
Post by: CraigB on August 01, 2011, 11:36:07 AM
Use this site for your comparisons Chris i find it very usefull even though i couldnt find Dch48's exact cpu, had to go a couple of versions higher to get something equivalent to the base second generation i7 http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/399?vs=287
Closest comparison i can find http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/399?vs=143
Title: Re: Laptops/Desktops
Post by: Dch48 on August 01, 2011, 12:21:00 PM
All the reports I read said that the new Fusion quads, while in other types of applications are beaten by the new Sandy Bridge Intels, in gaming blow away the Intel mobile offerings (including the i7) if only the built in graphics are used. The HD6220G is far superior to the Intel HD Graphics 3000 that is integrated into the Intel chips. The 6220G is equal in performance to the discrete HD5570 card and offers the first true discrete class integrated graphics solution.

You should easily be able to find the A8-3500M processor in a Google search because I did when I was looking for reviews.

I just finished encoding an Xvid video to a DVD using DVD Flick and it did the 1:53:00 video in just over an hour. My old laptop would have taken about 2 1/2 to 3 hours for the same thing. I also did not have to install any codecs because the processor also has built in decoding of most of the popular formats. Xvid and Divx videos, as well as H264 ones play in Windows Media Player without the installation of any additional codecs.

Craig, the link you posted for the comparison is comparing the new desktop Fusion quad to the desktop i7 and while the AMD is still impressive in gaming, it's not the right comparison to choose. My processor needs to be compared with mobile i5's and i7's. Here are some links.

http://www.notebookcheck.net/AMD-A-Series-A8-3500M-Notebook-Processor.55755.0.html (http://www.notebookcheck.net/AMD-A-Series-A8-3500M-Notebook-Processor.55755.0.html)
http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/K10/AMD-A8-Series%20A8-3500M.html (http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/K10/AMD-A8-Series%20A8-3500M.html)
http://www.notebookreview.com/default.asp?newsID=6155&p=2 (http://www.notebookreview.com/default.asp?newsID=6155&p=2)
Title: Re: Laptops/Desktops
Post by: .: Mac :. on August 01, 2011, 01:40:43 PM
Personally I use a Mac, for Business we use Dell. Their support can not be beaten, especially the Optiplex/Latitude business class computers. If you have a hardware failure just run their diagnostic and write down the code, call the support line and they overnight you the part(s). Even their consumer support is ok, but they do make you go through useless troubleshooting over the phone before they will send the part even if you have the Diagnostic Failure code.

Also if buying a dell, I highly recommend getting their CompleteCare Accidental coverage. If they can't repair it they give you a new one even if its your fault :)
Title: Re: Laptops/Desktops
Post by: Lisandro on August 01, 2011, 01:46:23 PM
Business computers here are mostly HP or Dell.
I had both. Dell allows more customization than HP, so, it was always preferred by me.
Title: Re: Laptops/Desktops
Post by: Chris Thomas on August 01, 2011, 03:27:11 PM
Thanks guys for the information.

Here there is  consumer support but they are very bad and quite insulting.  And, Dell Inspirion laptops have complaints here mostly with their webcams. Actually Dells have the most complaints but people buy Dells more. I guess their offers are very interesting for first time buyers.

People here don't usually try to repair PCs or laptops. They just buy and throw it away and buy another one. So, these guarantees and all are totally useless for the majority.

And, I personally don't trust Lenovo. I think its a security risk so does the U.S government. Here is an old article

http://www.spacewar.com/reports/Lenovo_chief_rejects_US_security_risks_fears.html
Title: Re: Laptops/Desktops
Post by: krash on August 04, 2011, 03:44:06 PM
I've had a Tashiba laptop since 2005, and it spent many years on the dash of my van for mapping and sending emails at stop lights :o)
I retired it this spring for an Acer Aspire one netbook (smaller) but it's back in use, as the Acer is dead (mallware) and I have yet to be able to fix it.
Title: Re: Laptops/Desktops
Post by: DarkMasters on August 10, 2011, 07:03:34 PM
I'm currently using Dell. However, from past experience I can say that Dell, Toshiba, or Sony is a good and reliable notebook maker.

For desktop, I'd rather trust no one and build my own machine. One from many reason to do that would be : Because of the PSU.
Title: Re: Laptops/Desktops
Post by: DavidR on August 10, 2011, 07:07:18 PM
Don't you get a Free Fire Extinguisher with every Sony ;D
Title: Re: Laptops/Desktops
Post by: DarkMasters on August 10, 2011, 07:39:27 PM
Ah... The heat problem with Sony notebook. I've read the news about the recall too. However, from my experience of 7 times of buying Sony notebook (using 4 of it myself and other as a gift), the notebook tend to last for a long time. I still have my Pentium 3 and 4 notebook run perfectly 'till now which I use to fiddling with Linux.

Well, there's a problem with Sony product indeed but I haven't come across the same problem. So, Sony notebook is still good and reliable in my book.
Title: Re: Laptops/Desktops
Post by: DavidR on August 10, 2011, 08:46:17 PM
Not the notebook but the battery catching fire.
Title: Re: Laptops/Desktops
Post by: DarkMasters on August 10, 2011, 09:06:39 PM
What do you mean by that? Is the battery become extremely hot and exploding or catching fire?
Title: Re: Laptops/Desktops
Post by: Dch48 on August 10, 2011, 09:33:00 PM
There have been reports of that and recalls have occurred. Laptops from HP,Sony,Dell, and Toshiba all had very large battery recalls. As far as I can see, all those batteries were made by Sony.
Title: Re: Laptops/Desktops
Post by: DavidR on August 10, 2011, 09:41:47 PM
What do you mean by that? Is the battery become extremely hot and exploding or catching fire?

I think it was generally catching fire and not exploding.

This was some time ago, but it sticks in my memory as does one other incident and I have avoided Sony products (hard) from that day since.

This was the infamous Sony Rootkit, so I have never trusted them or bought another Sony product ever since.
Title: Re: Laptops/Desktops
Post by: YoKenny on August 11, 2011, 12:45:48 AM
What do you mean by that? Is the battery become extremely hot and exploding or catching fire?

I think it was generally catching fire and not exploding.

This was some time ago, but it sticks in my memory as does one other incident and I have avoided Sony products (hard) from that day since.
See:
PC Notebook Computer Batteries Recalled Due to Fire and Burn Hazard
http://www.cpsc.gov/cpscpub/prerel/prhtml09/09035.html
Title: Re: Laptops/Desktops
Post by: DarkMasters on August 12, 2011, 02:42:50 AM
This was the infamous Sony Rootkit, so I have never trusted them or bought another Sony product ever since.

Right, I've read about that too. It's a rootkit which automatically installed when you play CD produced by Sony BMG in your computer, right?

See:
PC Notebook Computer Batteries Recalled Due to Fire and Burn Hazard
http://www.cpsc.gov/cpscpub/prerel/prhtml09/09035.html

Thanks for the link. It's a nice read. Too bad that Dell and Toshiba included in the report as the manufacturer which using those faulty battery from Sony. I hope Sony learn its lessons.
Title: Re: Laptops/Desktops
Post by: DavidR on August 12, 2011, 03:24:14 AM
We are straying off topic, but yes that's the one and why Sony will never be a laptop or product choice of mine.
Title: Re: Laptops/Desktops
Post by: DanielW on August 16, 2011, 10:38:44 AM
Really hard question to answer. But, my general opinion is that if you change you computer every 2-3 years all brands will work fine for you. And second thing, you must have a little luck when buying, because there is a mass production of hardware and controls are so efficient as before - just guessing.  ???
Title: Re: Laptops/Desktops
Post by: Raveen Kool on August 16, 2011, 09:21:46 PM
The only ever ending problem for me is the laptop heat.......

My dell inspiron 15R laptop, becomes very hot and it becomes a desktop while gaming.........

ie, I have to take it off my lap and keep it on the desk or a table and play...... ;D
Title: Re: Laptops/Desktops
Post by: DavidR on August 16, 2011, 09:28:12 PM
Then you really need a laptop cooler, they aren't that expensive and do make a lot of difference.
Title: Re: Laptops/Desktops
Post by: justinlee on August 16, 2011, 10:17:03 PM
I think it boils down to pot luck when buying anything. You can buy any brand of desktop/laptop and  either have a good or bad experience with it. My girlfriend bought a Sony Vaio a few years ago and she had nothing but problems with it and Sony customer service is notoriously bad. We both said we would never go near Sony again.

Then i was on the hunt for a new laptop and saw a Sony Vaio, which has an 18.4 inch screen, which i prefer as i design/develop websites and the spec was very high at the time. So, i thought why not give it a go and i am not disappointed as it has served me very well although, i did recently have to replace the C Drive only 14months after purchase date, but seeing as i know how to do those type of fixes it wasn't a huge deal for me, but i was still annoyed. My partner has also bought another Sony Vaio, which is serving her very well. Recently i bought another laptop, which is a Samsung and so far i am very happy with it.

I will say this though... I have found HP laptops to be the most reliable.
Title: Re: Laptops/Desktops
Post by: YoKenny on August 16, 2011, 10:18:46 PM
Then you really need a laptop cooler, they aren't that expensive and do make a lot of difference.
They sure do.

Especially in a hot country like India.  ;)

Cooler Master StrikeForce 19 USB 3.0 Laptop Cooler Review
http://the-gadgeteer.com/2011/03/12/cooler-master-strikeforce-19-usb-3-0-laptop-cooler-review
Title: Re: Laptops/Desktops
Post by: bob3160 on August 16, 2011, 11:06:26 PM
(http://my.jetscreenshot.com/2701/m_20110816-dh4a-14kb.jpg) (http://my.jetscreenshot.com/2701/20110816-dh4a-14kb)
I've been very happy with this one for over 2 years and take it with me
everywhere I go. I also get many offers to buy it from me at usually a good profit.
http://www.meritline.com/laptop-cooling-pads---p-44965.aspx (http://www.meritline.com/laptop-cooling-pads---p-44965.aspx)

( I Purchased it from Meritline along with many many other things. :) )

This just requires a USB port
Title: Re: Laptops/Desktops
Post by: Raveen Kool on August 16, 2011, 11:19:17 PM
Quote
Then you really need a laptop cooler, they aren't that expensive and do make a lot of difference.
They sure do.

Especially in a hot country like India.  Wink

Yeah, Maybe that will work.........

Anyhow Desktop are my preferred choice.......
Title: Re: Laptops/Desktops
Post by: Marc57 on August 16, 2011, 11:24:07 PM
My last 3 systems have been HP. The one I'm using now is a HP Pavilion p6610f Desktop PC. The only changes I've made is to upgrade the RAM from 4 GB to 8 GB and to add USB 3.0.

The one brand I would NEVER own is E-Machine, I've had to work on too many of them.
Title: Re: Laptops/Desktops
Post by: Dch48 on August 17, 2011, 12:14:12 AM
I have never seen an Emachines laptop but I and my friends and family have had 6 of their desktops and never had a single problem with any of them. If you don't get the Walmart models, which use cheaper components than the ones you get elsewhere, they're not bad machines at all.
Title: Re: Laptops/Desktops
Post by: YoKenny on August 17, 2011, 12:22:21 AM
I have never seen an Emachines laptop but I and my friends and family have had 6 of their desktops and never had a single problem with any of them. If you don't get the Walmart models, which use cheaper components than the ones you get elsewhere, they're not bad machines at all.
E-Machines come with major bloatware.  ::)
The cheap components make them affordable for the un-educated masses.
I have spent many hours removing all their bloatware.
Why do you think the Wallmart sells them at such a cheap price ???
Especially Intel Celeron systems.
Title: Re: Laptops/Desktops
Post by: Dch48 on August 17, 2011, 12:28:10 AM
I have never seen an Emachines laptop but I and my friends and family have had 6 of their desktops and never had a single problem with any of them. If you don't get the Walmart models, which use cheaper components than the ones you get elsewhere, they're not bad machines at all.
E-Machines come with major bloatware.  ::)
The cheap components make them affordable for the un-educated masses.
I have spent many hours removing all their bloatware.
Why do you think the Wallmart sells them at such a cheap price ???
They don't come with any more bloatware than other manufacturers like HP. As I said, the Walmart models are special ones built to be sold for less than their usual offerings that you can get at places like Best Buy, Office Depot, etc.  I also can tell you that Walmart sells those machines at cost or sometimes less than cost. I worked there for 5 years and had access to those figures. I will admit though that since Acer took over Gateway, and by extension Emachines, they have returned to the bargain basement machines they originally were. Under Gateway, they were somewhat better.
Title: Re: Laptops/Desktops
Post by: Marc57 on August 17, 2011, 03:27:51 AM
E-Machines come with major bloatware.  ::)

That they do, But so does HP, it took me a good 2 hours to clean mine out.