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Title: cnet (download dot com)
Post by: alpha1 on October 19, 2011, 02:18:47 PM
whats with the new (relatively) download dot com website?
it used to be such a useful place,product reviews and reliable downloads; now its just the reviews,and who knows,maybe those will change as well  :( :'( .
Title: Re: cnet (download dot com)
Post by: YoKenny on October 19, 2011, 02:32:02 PM
Read this old topic:
Question About Cnet.net?
http://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=85647.0
Title: Re: cnet (download dot com)
Post by: alpha1 on October 19, 2011, 02:41:53 PM
Read this old topic:
Question About Cnet.net?
http://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=85647.0

sorry,hadnt seen it.
but i do think the subject merits more than 1 thread  ;D

personally i mostly use filehippo,otherwise softpedia.
Title: Re: cnet (download dot com)
Post by: Gargamel360 on October 19, 2011, 07:51:30 PM
They are bowing down to the desires of their parent company, CBS, a large TV network corporation (didn't know if you knew that, since they might not broadcast in Antarctica  ;D).   Broadcast TV has no love of the Internet, nor any understanding of it.  To them, it is an expense, a parasite that sucks at their profits.  So now they try to suck some back via toolbar installers. 

There are people who work for Cnet that have stated this was a bad move, both before it happened and after.  But this decision came from high-up the chain, actions clearly stating, "We want more money from this site, and if we cant get it, then its not worth running".   Best part is, the are audacious enough to call the toolbar wrapper a "secure downloader", claim its to protect the DL.com users from infections and unwanted installs.  ::)   I have left this site behind.  And I cant say I miss it.  Less mindless Apple/Android fans to give me a headache.
Title: Re: cnet (download dot com)
Post by: alpha1 on October 19, 2011, 07:59:10 PM
but do you really think they'll actually make more profit?

i mean,losing their customer base plus possible future customers might not be so profitable.

btw,we do get cbs in antarctica  ;D ;) 8)
Title: Re: cnet (download dot com)
Post by: Gargamel360 on October 19, 2011, 08:09:18 PM
but do you really think they'll actually make more profit?
Hard to say.  I would like to say no, but dumber business moves have been turned to profit before. 

This will undoubtedly offend the oldest and most tech-savvy of their users.  And it also has the potential to hurt the reputations of any software vendors hosted there, provided they get stuck with the toolbar installer(not all cnet downloads come with it).  But they are really leaning toward cultivating their mobile user base, and with how fast and big mobile is getting, it could offset their financial losses combined with the revenue from toolbars.
Title: Re: cnet (download dot com)
Post by: alpha1 on October 19, 2011, 08:21:30 PM
doesnt revenue from toolbars mean that downloaders actually download,install toolbars and keep them?

do you think people will actually keep those toolbars?

also,i've also noticed them using their "installer" for tiny applications/downloads (hundreds of kilobytes),which causes a download -that usually takes seconds (using idm etc)- to take minutes,increasing download size and additional steps i.e opting out of toolbars etc. .
Title: Re: cnet (download dot com)
Post by: Gargamel360 on October 19, 2011, 08:56:07 PM
doesnt revenue from toolbars mean that downloaders actually download,install toolbars and keep them?
The specifics of agreements like this would greatly vary, thats really hard to say with any certainty.
do you think people will actually keep those toolbars?
Sure, some people will.  Voluntarily, and happily.  From what I've read of Babylon toolbar, some people will also keep it involuntarily, simply because they cant figure out how to be rid of it, and just give up.  There is also a group of people that wont even notice it got installed. ;D

You got the installer to work?  I tried it, and it just kept crashing, wouldn't work, quite the laughable fail that was, when you try to install a nosy toolbar and it cant even manage to get installed. ;D
Title: Re: cnet (download dot com)
Post by: alpha1 on October 19, 2011, 09:46:05 PM

You got the installer to work?



yes it works,but very slow and annoying.

i generally greatly despise downloading without a download manager.
Title: Re: cnet (download dot com)
Post by: alpha1 on October 20, 2011, 06:34:28 AM
does anyone think there's a chance it'll go back to the way it was in the future?
Title: Re: cnet (download dot com)
Post by: CraigB on October 20, 2011, 07:17:46 AM
I think at the rate there loosing face and it being so easy to change to a new and better download site they'll probably fade away.
Title: Re: cnet (download dot com)
Post by: alpha1 on October 20, 2011, 07:24:09 AM
I think at the rate there loosing face and it being so easy to change to a new and better download site they'll probably fade away.

the problem with other sites is,filehippo for instance,doesnt have a big enough collection of programs or any reviews.softpedia doesnt have that modern look,and probably not as large a collection of software as cnet either;and of course their reviews seem to be alot less too.
Title: Re: cnet (download dot com)
Post by: Lisandro on October 20, 2011, 12:03:53 PM
CNET became an ad sharing place... Do you want ads?, go for CNET...
Softpedia, at least, is more about downloading that watching ads...
Title: Re: cnet (download dot com)
Post by: YoKenny on October 20, 2011, 02:39:53 PM
i generally greatly despise downloading without a download manager.
I have never needed a download manger as I have a high speed Internet connection.  ;D
Title: Re: cnet (download dot com)
Post by: alpha1 on October 20, 2011, 08:51:16 PM
i generally greatly despise downloading without a download manager.
I have never needed a download manger as I have a high speed Internet connection.  ;D


well your lucky you live in north pole,you get better speeds than us here at south pole ;D

but the issue isnt speed;its having total control of what you download,how you download it,being able to view related info,i.e download speed,percentage,referer,etc.
not to mention stopping and resuming downloads.
another annoying thing about those "installers" like the ones cnet or brothersoft use,is that there's a seperate installer for every program; now thats annoying.
Title: Re: cnet (download dot com)
Post by: spg SCOTT on October 20, 2011, 08:54:05 PM
This thread and the actions of sites like those mentioned are the reason that I will only use the original vendor's website to download software.

If I can't I will be looking for alternatives before going somewhere like these sites.
Title: Re: cnet (download dot com)
Post by: alpha1 on October 20, 2011, 09:32:10 PM
This thread and the actions of sites like those mentioned are the reason that I will only use the original vendor's website to download software.

If I can't I will be looking for alternatives before going somewhere like these sites.

i'm going to have to disagree scott,a well designed reliable download site is generally preferred to vendors' own sites;also,some vendors actually refer you to a dedicated download website.
Title: Re: cnet (download dot com)
Post by: alpha1 on October 20, 2011, 09:35:17 PM
CNET became an ad sharing place... Do you want ads?, go for CNET...
Softpedia, at least, is more about downloading that watching ads...

as i mentioned,i dont download from cnet anymore,but i still visit it for reviews etc.

as for ads on the the site itself,they're no problem for me as i use abp in firefox.
Title: Re: cnet (download dot com)
Post by: Asyn on October 20, 2011, 10:29:41 PM
i'm going to have to disagree scott,a well designed reliable download site is generally preferred to vendors' own sites;

And I disagree with you. ::)
Title: Re: cnet (download dot com)
Post by: alpha1 on October 20, 2011, 11:18:32 PM
asyn,where's/what's your argument?
Title: Re: cnet (download dot com)
Post by: spg SCOTT on October 20, 2011, 11:35:15 PM
This thread and the actions of sites like those mentioned are the reason that I will only use the original vendor's website to download software.

If I can't I will be looking for alternatives before going somewhere like these sites.

i'm going to have to disagree scott,a well designed reliable download site is generally preferred to vendors' own sites;also,some vendors actually refer you to a dedicated download website.

Well, it is just my own feelings.

I know that companies like avast prefer people to download from the download sites, because it is cheaper for them, and reduces the load on the servers. I can also understand this.

I just don't like them on principle, and my main problem is that the way they do the adverts...it is almost impossible find the download link amongst them all...

I think it takes less time for me to find the direct link for avast (I don't actually remember if it is listed on the website anymore) as opposed to somewhere else.
Title: Re: cnet (download dot com)
Post by: alpha1 on October 21, 2011, 12:08:33 AM
I just don't like them on principle, and my main problem is that the way they do the adverts...it is almost impossible find the download link amongst them all...

I think it takes less time for me to find the direct link for avast (I don't actually remember if it is listed on the website anymore) as opposed to somewhere else.

seems like you haven't been using reputable download sites.

btw,what does spg stand for?
Title: Re: cnet (download dot com)
Post by: spg SCOTT on October 21, 2011, 12:28:21 AM
I haven't been to to any of them for a while...

It seems that they have toned it down a bit, still don't like it though.
(there used to be more ads: http://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=55735.msg471264#msg471264)

The ad on the page is predominantly in the eye line when loading the page, so people see that, and see the word "download" and click it.
Also, looking at the download page, with the theme of the site, the download button looks more like an ad banner to me...making it more confusing...

I've simply gotten fed up of having to hunt for a download link in a page full of ads and buttons saying download.

spg is my initials.
Title: Re: cnet (download dot com)
Post by: alpha1 on October 21, 2011, 01:53:06 AM
scott,not to defend cnet but,ad banner in your picture clearly says: systweak regclean pro,besides,people accustomed to using the site know where actual download buttons are.

i do like how you put notes on pics though :D
Title: Re: cnet (download dot com)
Post by: Para-Noid on October 21, 2011, 03:34:18 AM
I am "not" defending cnet but if you are a member you have the option of using a "direct download" link and not even bother with their installer. IOW if you click "avast" you can either download avast from cnet with their installer or choose to use the direct download option. The only problem I have found I can never find the direct download link.  ???

I'm like the others I use filehippo and softpedia. They might not be as flashy as cnet. I don't care about flash, I care about the download without the "installer". After all isn't the software more important than having a snazzy, flashy website.  ;D
Title: Re: cnet (download dot com)
Post by: alpha1 on October 21, 2011, 03:51:25 AM
yes i agree paranoid,filehippo or softpedia indeed.
Title: Re: cnet (download dot com)
Post by: alpha1 on October 21, 2011, 12:26:28 PM
on october 23rd,cnet (download dot com) turns 15,http://download.cnet.com/8301-2007_4-20121351-12/15-years-of-download.com-the-original-app-store/

its a shame to see what the site has come to after such success.  :'(
Title: Re: cnet (download dot com)
Post by: YoKenny on October 21, 2011, 02:47:05 PM

well your lucky you live in north pole,you get better speeds than us here at south pole ;D
I live nowhere near the North Pole.

Maybe you need some penguins to keep you warm.
Title: Re: cnet (download dot com)
Post by: alpha1 on October 21, 2011, 02:55:34 PM

well your lucky you live in north pole,you get better speeds than us here at south pole ;D
I live nowhere near the North Pole.

Maybe you need some penguins to keep you warm.

whats with the penguin picture?
is it to clarify what a "penguin" is?
Title: Re: cnet (download dot com)
Post by: Para-Noid on October 21, 2011, 05:25:14 PM
@ YoKenny...cute. Self portrait?  ;D
Title: Re: cnet (download dot com)
Post by: alpha1 on October 21, 2011, 05:55:54 PM
@ YoKenny...cute. Self portrait?  ;D

which one? the eskimo or the penguin? just kidding  ;D
Title: Re: cnet (download dot com)
Post by: Para-Noid on October 21, 2011, 06:48:53 PM
@ YoKenny...cute. Self portrait?  ;D

which one? the eskimo or the penguin? just kidding  ;D
It's a toss-up.  ;D
Title: Re: cnet (download dot com)
Post by: alpha1 on October 21, 2011, 07:12:01 PM
good one.  ;D

i hope he knows we're just messing with him.
Title: Re: cnet (download dot com)
Post by: alpha1 on October 22, 2011, 08:59:12 PM
something that always bothered me on the download.com site is the fact that avg is almost always at the top of list of most popular downloads,
usually with a huge number of downloads.
although avast is usually second,third or high in the list,its usually behind avg,which bugs me; i mean avast has nearly 178 million registered users(and redirects downloaders from its site to cnet,meaning cnet is the main download source of avast),while avg probably has under 100 million users total(registered or otherwise); the question is,who the hel! is downloading all those AVGs?   >:(

avira is usually behind though,so no worries there.  ;D
Title: Re: cnet (download dot com)
Post by: Gargamel360 on October 22, 2011, 09:15:05 PM
AVG might send more people worldwide to Cnet to download their installer than Avast! does. 

Example, I get sent to Cnet if I try to DL Avast! Free from Avast!'s home page, but someone mentioned before (Asyn I think?) that German users get it right from Avast! servers.

Plus.....more re-installs due to problems=more downloads ;D  (couldn't resist that little jab)
Title: Re: cnet (download dot com)
Post by: Asyn on October 23, 2011, 09:11:43 AM
Example, I get sent to Cnet if I try to DL Avast! Free from Avast!'s home page, but someone mentioned before (Asyn I think?) that German users get it right from Avast! servers.

Yes, it was me.
Just a little correction: German speaking users don't get it from the Avast servers, but from here: http://www.chip.de/downloads/avast-Free-Antivirus_13010163.html Anyway, you're right, that not all users worldwide are sent to Cnet.
Title: Re: cnet (download dot com)
Post by: Gargamel360 on October 23, 2011, 09:22:55 AM
Ah my memory is only half as bad as I thought ;D, thanks for clarifying.
Title: Re: cnet (download dot com)
Post by: Asyn on October 23, 2011, 09:41:03 AM
Ah my memory is only half as bad as I thought ;D, thanks for clarifying.

NP pal.