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Consumer Products => Avast Free Antivirus / Premium Security (legacy Pro Antivirus, Internet Security, Premier) => Topic started by: DBone on October 24, 2011, 06:45:36 PM
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Does anybody know exactly what CCleaner cleans in avast!? I updated CCleaner today, and it now has avast! as an option, and it's checked by default. I chose to clean avast! and it removed 18mg's of something, what, I don't know.............. Anybody?
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They are only the avast temp log files which are harmless but i still prefer to untick security software app's in my list just in case.
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Old log`s....i am guessing!
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Anything Ccleaner cleans should be clearly listed. After clicking the Analyze button, double click on the Avast! entry from among the list of cleanable items. This should bring up the details you want.
As mentioned, its probably temp files, logs, etc.
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you got a reply ;D
http://forum.piriform.com/index.php?showtopic=34201&hl=avast&fromsearch=1
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I chose to clean avast! and it removed 18mg's of something, what, I don't know.............. Anybody?
If you first just chose "Analyse" and double click avast!6 line you will see all items to be cleaned.
It also works if you double click the line after cleaning but then it is definitely too late to decide!
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Hi,
As craigb and Pondus mentioned here, those can be old log files from avast!. But its recommented not to check that option. Those files may be usefull in future.
Have a wonderful day. Good Karma!
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Good info everyone, thanks! I did not know that I could double click an entry to see more specific info. I trust CCleaner, but it just seems weird to clean my AV!
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I mentioned the following before:
if any Avast user would go to Piriform's forums or contact page and suggest to add Avast 6 (with the current default path), they would probably do it, and there shouldn't be any conflicts.
And then http://forum.piriform.com/index.php?showtopic=34091&view=findpost&p=203350 (http://forum.piriform.com/index.php?showtopic=34091&view=findpost&p=203350)
So after that request they added Avast 6 in CCleaner with no conflicts. :o :)
This of course has nothing to do with me. The reason I mention this is because I would have change at least 2 things.
First, I would NOT have added Avast with the "default=true", but with "default=false".
Then, as originally requested in that post I linked to, I would also add the "report" folder too, not only the "logs", and I would extend this addition to older Avast versions in CCleaner's items. IMHO this second change / request would be valid ONLY if the "default=false".
I have no idea why they don't add the reports too, or why they set the default as true for Avast.
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avast did not do the job. Housekeeping was necessary and they don't pay attention to that.
Now, a 3rd party tool is just showing how the housekeeping is necessary.
Pay attention to the numbers!
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Well Ideally you want to stop the creation of the unp99999999.mdmp files to avast as I believe these are error conditions (and probably why they remain), which it would be better to fix the problem than the symptom.
I don't have any of the logging9999999999.log files in my Log sub-folder (image1), so I don't know if you have something like debug logging enabled, are these files created daily ?
You could also restrict the size of these user log files in the avastUI, Settings, Maintenance section (image2) I have mine set to 32KB and that may account for the multiple Mail9999999.log files.
I don't have CCleaner clean any avast area.
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I just accepted the CCleaner default and let it clean the Avast log files. I haven't noticed any change in how Avast runs since the files were cleaned.
By the way, Wise Disk Cleaner in their advanced cleaning section identifies these files for cleaning after a scan but when you hit the "Clean" button it doesn't appear to clean them.
Good for CCleaner :)
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@Tech and DavidR (http://DavidR),
I'm not sure I understood your posts. I mean, I know what those temporal files are, but I don't understand why you are bringing the issue.
In my case I don't have leftovers / remnants, and my logs are not near those big numbers of MB. I thought that this topic was about CCleaner's capability (and what can't do) in relation to Avast, and less about the "big" MB of cleaning logs. Moreover, I'm not sure CCleaner can clean all those tmp files of Avast by default (and if it can, it is not related to the Avast item itself in CCleaner). But maybe I misunderstood the main issue of this topic.
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Generally it is in line of what is or isn't cleaned by ccleaner, as I said I don't see anything in ccleaner that is cleaning any avast location by default (but I still have ccleaner 3.11.). I totally disagree with allowing ccleaner clear any avast logs as they are a useful user and debugging tool.
Tech is reporting what isn't being cleared by avast housekeeping, which he is having ccleaner clean up in the avast locations. My point to him is he could probably limit what is there in the first place to be cleaned by ccleaner.
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@DavidR,
Thank you. Now I understand what you meant (and that you were specifically talking to Tech).
I agree with you about not letting CCleaner automatically clean Avast logs (nor reports, if they decide to add those also). That's why I said that the "default=true" for Avast is a mistake from Piriform IMHO.
Still, I don't know why they decided to add the logs only, but not the reports.
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I think that I can see their logic in not dealing with reports as they probably feel they are generated by the user.
But they certainly shouldn't add anything to default settings they should have a god understanding of what the logs are used for.
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@DavidR,
I understand your point (almost an educated assumption). From the link I posted, they decided to take in the "default=true", but leave out the "reports" cleaning. I would have done it the other way around: throwing out the "default=true" (setting "default=false") and including the reports. BTW, I would have done that for all previous Avast's versions too.
I personally don't see any difference in the criteria. If Piriform adds the logs, then should also add the reports with the exact same criteria. Again, the "correct" ;D criteria would have been to include both but leave it as "default=false", so to keep being "conservative" in the criteria, but giving more power to the users.
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I don't know if you have something like debug logging enabled, are these files created daily ?
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As they are a useful user and debugging tool.
Ideally. I never get any help on the avast dumps and logs...
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I did some testing and CCleaner also removes all stored data from a full scan. The first time I ran CCleaner on avast!, it cleaned 18MG's of something, and each time after that, it only cleaned a few KB. Today, I used CCleaner to clean everything, including avast!, then I did a manual full scan, and it took 8min longer then normal (29 vs 21). Then after avast! finished I analyzed with CCleaner, and what do you know, there was 18MG's again waiting to be cleaned...............I have unchecked the avast! box, and will not clean it again. It defeats the whole purpose of avast! storing files in the persistent cache.
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Also, yesterday, I started having a yellow ! in my wireless connection task bar notifications icon. It would only last 3-5 seconds on boot, but it was a problem that I have never had. I thought it was an avast! signature update issue causing it, but as soon as I repopulated the persistent cache by doing a full scan, the problem immediately disappeared.
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My bad, I hit quote instead of modify. :-[
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this is off topic but dbone,that pic is quite disturbing,the old 1 was better,maybe not perfect,but better. :)
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this is off topic but dbone,that pic is quite disturbing,the old 1 was better,maybe not perfect,but better. :)
Be carefull what you say, it might be the latest picture from his ID card (sorry DBone). ;D ;D ;D
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lol That's my wedding pic.
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lol That's my wedding pic.
lol,thanks for changing it. :)
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For what it's worth CCleaner left all my avast logs intact.
CCleaner has an "option" button where you can add exclusions. :)
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lol,thanks for changing it. :)
No problem......I didn't want to freak you out down there on the bottom of the world! 8)
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Hi,
As craigb and Pondus mentioned here, those can be old log files from avast!. But its recommented not to check that option. Those files may be usefull in future.
Have a wonderful day. Good k@rma!
If they are harmless, how can they be useful? :)
edit: I always add security software to the exclusions list just to be safe.
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For what it's worth CCleaner left all my avast logs intact.
CCleaner has an "option" button where you can add exclusions. :)
No need to add exclusions in this case. Simply uncheck the item (any "Avast *" item).
Since Avast is checked by default (as many other items are), this is one of several examples / reasons why I don't recommend any cleaner, unless specific instructions are given about which exact / specific items should be active (and all the others shouldn't). That means: use CCleaner (or any alternative) to clean specific situations / items, but not as a general suggestion.
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i think we should just let avast do its own cleaning rather than use third party programs.
just make sure you adjust the settings (in settings > maintenance) to your preference.
dbone,ya we have enough scary things here as it is. ;D
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For what it's worth CCleaner left all my avast logs intact.
CCleaner has an "option" button where you can add exclusions. :)
No need to add exclusions in this case. Simply uncheck the item (any "Avast *" item).
Since Avast is checked by default (as many other items are), this is one of several examples / reasons why I don't recommend any cleaner, unless specific instructions are given about which exact / specific items should be active (and all the others shouldn't). That means: use CCleaner (or any alternative) to clean specific situations / items, but not as a general suggestion.
You will find CCleaner is extremely safe to use. I use CCleaner on a regular basis. And, I, of course take back-ups just in case. For a novice I will always recommend using CCleaner due to its ease and safety. :)
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You will find CCleaner is extremely safe to use. I use CCleaner on a regular basis. And, I, of course take back-ups just in case. For a novice I will always recommend using CCleaner due to its ease and safety. :)
Well, NO, *I* won't find it extremely safe. We clearly have different opinions. My not-short experience with cleaners says we disagree. *I* also use CCleaner, but my goals for it's use are very defined and specific, and, as I already mentioned, I don't recommend using it with such general purposes.
There are many items in CCleaner that are "default=true" that can have very negative consequences, or at least undesired ones. So, if the user already knows what he is doing (what *exactly* he wants to "clean"), then CCleaner is great. But for general use, suggesting to use it "as-is", is NOT "safe" IMNSHO.
I won't get into the details. We have different experiences and opinions. And that's fine.
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Which default selections do you find there to be an issue with?
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ady4um,can you elaborate on how ccleaner could be unsafe.
i have it,and occasionally use it,and i wouldn't mind knowing what risks there are,and/or how serious.
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Which default selections do you find there to be an issue with?
For example, some office suites items shouldn't be cleaned in some situations. For some users (depending on how and what they installed from the complete office suite), cleaning the office item will not have unwanted consequences. But I indeed have seen cases where cleaning office items in CCleaner has been a very bad choice (no matter how much free space you are supposed to gain).
In fact, cleaning Avast with CCleaner by default is also a bad choice. Only when the user has some specific goal, and he knows what he wants to achieve, the item ("Avast *") should be active (checked).
Some registry cleanings are also not "so much recommended".
So, what I'm trying to say is that CCleaner is good and welcome, but IMO the "factory defaults" are not always "safe" as other users are saying. That's why I don't recommend it with a *general* purpose, but only if I give specific instructions on which items to clean (and all the others UNchecked).
This is my own experience and opinion, and other users are free to have their own.