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Title: Whats your opinion
Post by: fire on May 02, 2012, 05:39:35 PM
I hope this topic is OK for the board and if not I ask a mod to remove this thread but here's my question. Aside from the cost of powering a desk top computer, do you think its better to leave your computer on all the time (24 hours a day), or shut down whenever your finished using it for the day. Remember I'm not asking about the cost of the electricity.
Title: Re: Whats your opinion
Post by: ragweed on May 02, 2012, 05:45:04 PM
My Compaq has a sleep mode. My older computer I have always shut down when done. Personally I would not let any computer run 24/7 JMHO.
Title: Re: Whats your opinion
Post by: bob3160 on May 02, 2012, 05:45:46 PM
From my own experience, I can tell you that I burned out a motherboard in less than 2 years by having the system on 24/7/365

Since the motherboard's replacement, I no longer leave the system on 24/7  :)
One of the reasons MySharedFiles (https://sites.google.com/site/bob3160/mysharedfiles), filesharing server (My Computer) is no longer accessible.  :'(
Title: Re: Whats your opinion
Post by: DavidR on May 02, 2012, 05:46:14 PM
The days of leaving a desk top system on 24/7 are long gone; mine is in regular use and I turn it off every night when done.

This was when it was considered the most stressful time was at boot so the less you boot it the better, but hardware is much more reliable now.
Title: Re: Whats your opinion
Post by: CharleyO on May 02, 2012, 06:36:24 PM
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I have to agree with all of the above posts. It is much better to turn your computer off when not in active use.

I bought my first PC (not my first computer) in 1995 and it lasted only 3-1/2 years before there was a motherboard problem. This first PC was left on most of the time but was turned off occasionally. Since then, I have always turned them off. My computers since then have never failed exept for one power supply that failed.

The desktop I am using this very minute is now 6 years old. Turning the computer off when not in use is one of the things that keep it still in use.


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Title: Re: Whats your opinion
Post by: polonus on May 02, 2012, 06:58:19 PM
It is also better to keep up with critical OS and third party software updates.
A lot of users that have computers up and running all the time loose these out.
This is another reason apart from the hardware implications to advise against it,

polonus
Title: Re: Whats your opinion
Post by: fire on May 02, 2012, 07:42:11 PM
Thanks for all your replies,,I have always turned ours off at night when done.
Title: Re: Whats your opinion
Post by: DavidR on May 02, 2012, 08:27:54 PM
You're welcome.
Title: Re: Whats your opinion
Post by: MikeBCda on May 02, 2012, 08:34:33 PM
I shut down the computer every night when done, though it normally stays on while I'm up.  I do leave my wireless router-modem on 24/7 so my wife and son can use my internet connection for their computers, since I tend to keep odd hours other than when I've got a rare morning appointment.
Title: Re: Whats your opinion
Post by: bob3160 on May 02, 2012, 10:12:38 PM
I shut down the computer every night when done, though it normally stays on while I'm up.  I do leave my wireless router-modem on 24/7 so my wife and son can use my internet connection for their computers, since I tend to keep odd hours other than when I've got a rare morning appointment.
Off Topic


My router also never gets shut down. I not only need it for WiFi but my home phone depends on the router.
I happen to use MagicJack Plus for my home phone and it's done an excellent job for the past 7 month. :)
Title: Re: Whats your opinion
Post by: DavidR on May 02, 2012, 10:20:53 PM
Well I will see your off-topic and raise another:
My router and hub have to remain on (BT Internet) for software updates and also BT say if you do constantly switch it off it can mess with your overall connection speed. As their monitoring system sees your constant disconnections and may lower your download rate to try and give a more stable connection. How true that is I don't know but I'm not about to risk it.
Title: Re: Whats your opinion
Post by: fire on May 02, 2012, 10:21:02 PM
Bob I always wondered how well magic jack worked other than their TV ads. Now they say you don't even need to have a computer to use it,,don't know what that means. No problem for me if this goes off-topic,,I'm comptuer illiterate anyway.
Title: Re: Whats your opinion
Post by: bob3160 on May 02, 2012, 10:40:53 PM
Bob I always wondered how well magic jack worked other than their TV ads. Now they say you don't even need to have a computer to use it,,don't know what that means. No problem for me if this goes off-topic,,I'm comptuer illiterate anyway.

Magic Jack Plus does need to be plugged into your computer one time.
When you first set it up, it needs to do that while plugged into the USB connection of your computer.
Once that's done, it's plugged directly into the router and no longer needs the computer except for possible updates and
future changes. At $19.95 per year, it's the cheapest reliable phone service I've been able to find.
(I don't work for them or get anything for making these positive remarks.)


The old Magic Jack always had to be plugged into the computer and the computer needed to be on in order to use it. (I still have it and it still works after 7 years of use.)
If I ever get to go back to Prague, I'll be taking it and a phone with me to call home.  ;D
Title: Re: Whats your opinion
Post by: HDW38 on May 02, 2012, 11:34:08 PM

The old Magic Jack always had to be plugged into the computer and the computer needed to be on in order to use it. (I still have it and it still works after 7 years of use.)
If I ever get to go back to Prague, I'll be taking it and a phone with me to call home.  ;D

Hi Bob!

Wise answer.  :)

Greetings
HDW38
Title: Re: Whats your opinion
Post by: timcan on May 02, 2012, 11:50:30 PM
Hi, I have an Acer with vista home premium  that I leave on 24/7 because I'm an user of the old Magic Jack. My other pcs I do shut down when not in use.
Title: Re: Whats your opinion
Post by: bob3160 on May 03, 2012, 12:07:17 AM
Hi, I have an Acer with vista home premium  that I leave on 24/7 because I'm an user of the old Magic Jack. My other pcs I do shut down when not in use.

Buying the new Magic Jack Plus is probably a lot cheaper than replacing a burnt out motherboard.....  There are also many other benifits
such as much clearer connections, voice and some other benefits. But, it's your computer and your decision. :)
Title: Re: Whats your opinion
Post by: chocholo on May 03, 2012, 06:16:36 AM
My workstation at work is turned on all the time (currently Dell Precision T1600, previously Dell Precision T1500, HP xw4600 and before some custom built PC) so I could remotely login to it, no problems with it (these competers are still running somewhere in the company). Also at home I had my personal desktop always on, also to be able to remotely login.
Title: Re: Whats your opinion
Post by: OrangeCrate on May 03, 2012, 09:17:39 PM
My workstation at work is turned on all the time (currently Dell Precision T1600, previously Dell Precision T1500, HP xw4600 and before some custom built PC) so I could remotely login to it, no problems with it (these competers are still running somewhere in the company). Also at home I had my personal desktop always on, also to be able to remotely login.

Ditto.

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I like your signature.

 :)
Title: Re: Whats your opinion
Post by: bob3160 on May 03, 2012, 09:22:30 PM
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Petr Chocholous, the one with root access
Petr not only has root access but quite often he performs root canal work on this forum.  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Whats your opinion
Post by: MAG on May 04, 2012, 03:32:06 PM
Well I will see your off-topic and raise another:
My router and hub have to remain on (BT Internet) for software updates and also BT say if you do constantly switch it off it can mess with your overall connection speed. As their monitoring system sees your constant disconnections and may lower your download rate to try and give a more stable connection. How true that is I don't know but I'm not about to risk it.
Veering ever further off-topic, I also use BT Internet and turn off the router every night. I've seen no change in connection speed (I don't use their supplied router though).

Regaining the carriageway, Linux users still seem to talk much of the hardware stress of start-up and how it should be avoided in their forums. This may be because a lot of Linux users seem to delight in running very old hardware and take a certain pride in their 'uptime'. Also only kernel changes tend to need a reboot in Linux.
Title: Re: Whats your opinion
Post by: HS2234 on May 05, 2012, 04:18:53 AM
So its good to shut it down every night?
Title: Re: Whats your opinion
Post by: Marc57 on May 05, 2012, 04:33:28 AM
I turn my system on when I get up and off when I go to bed.
Title: Re: Whats your opinion
Post by: chocholo on May 05, 2012, 08:12:17 AM
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Also only kernel changes tend to need a reboot in Linux.
With ksplice there is not reason to reboot :)
Title: Re: Whats your opinion
Post by: YLAP on May 05, 2012, 08:24:10 AM
If I am not planning to use my notebook, I just close a lid and it goes to sleep mode. When I need to use it again - it is ready to use within the seconds. It is not a good idea to leave it on 27/7/365. Have in mind what HDD is mechanical thing and has it's working hours threshold. It's already one year I have my notebook and it is interesting to know it was working almost 225 days out of 370 it is owned by me  ;D
Title: Re: Whats your opinion
Post by: DavidR on May 05, 2012, 01:25:04 PM
So its good to shut it down every night?

That decision really has to be down to the user as to why they would leave it on 24/7, since the old reasoning of leaving it on 24/7 to reduce the stress of reboots has to a very large degree been superseded by better hardware.

You have all of the why for and why not information, so it is down to your use of the computer and whether that would require you leave it on 24/7 (we can't make that decision for you).
Title: Re: Whats your opinion
Post by: OrangeCrate on May 06, 2012, 02:46:14 PM

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Linux users still seem to talk much of the hardware stress of start-up and how it should be avoided in their forums.

I spend time on several Linux forums, and I haven't noticed that. Can you cite a source(s) of your comment? Most threads I've seen regarding start-up/rebooting stress, are more like this one:

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1852616&highlight=startup+stress

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This may be because a lot of Linux users seem to delight in running very old hardware

Why yes, yes we do.

 :)

I just installed Xubuntu 12.04, on a friend's old, unused XP box with a 1 point something GHZ CPU, and 1gb of Ram. He now has an up-to-date Linux distribution, that's as quick as a weasel, and it saved an old computer from the scrap heap. Ain't it great?

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and take a certain pride in their 'uptime'.

On servers primarily, but, your comment is correct.

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Also only kernel changes tend to need a reboot in Linux.

Adding to Chocholo's last post...

http://www.ksplice.com/

Edit:

Added a link.
Title: Re: Whats your opinion
Post by: MAG on May 06, 2012, 06:28:46 PM

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Linux users still seem to talk much of the hardware stress of start-up and how it should be avoided in their forums.

I spend time on several Linux forums, and I haven't noticed that. Can you cite a source(s) of your comment? Most threads I've seen regarding start-up/rebooting stress, are more like this one:

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1852616&highlight=startup+stress

I'll have formed the view from the PCLinux OS forum (since that's the one I mainly view). Here's one example (reply 3):

http://www.pclinuxos.com/forum/index.php/topic,104718.0.html

It was also advice I received about problems I was having with occasional boot failures (and a probable undersized PSU being the likely cause during the demands of start-up). Turned out to be a video card problem though.

I think you have made a fair observation - I am probably guilty of extrapolating the specific to the general here.

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This may be because a lot of Linux users seem to delight in running very old hardware

Why yes, yes we do.

 :)

I just installed Xubuntu 12.04, on a friend's old, unused XP box with a 1 point something GHZ CPU, and 1gb of Ram. He now has an up-to-date Linux distribution, that's as quick as a weasel, and it saved an old computer from the scrap heap. Ain't it great?

Interesting. I haven't been able to get bun2 or it's minty derivatives running on my old emachines 4062 since 9.04 without ever more aggressive acpi tweaks (noirqpoll, then pci=noacpi, now only acpi=off gets it to boot with 12.04- but that disables one of the two processors). PCLOS LXDE boots like lightning now (with a new video card installed).

bun2 12.04 is guesting dual booted with W7 on my laptop. It's fast too.
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and take a certain pride in their 'uptime'.

On servers primarily, but, your comment is correct.

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Also only kernel changes tend to need a reboot in Linux.

Adding to Chocholo's last post...

http://www.ksplice.com/

(I haven't tried it, but, I might someday, it looks interesting.)

Edit:

Added a link.
Title: Re: Whats your opinion
Post by: bob3160 on May 06, 2012, 06:56:24 PM

@ mag,
Adding items inside a quote no longer makes it a true quote.  :o
Title: Re: Whats your opinion
Post by: OrangeCrate on May 06, 2012, 10:54:48 PM

<snip>

I'll have formed the view from the PCLinux OS forum (since that's the one I mainly view). Here's one example (reply 3):

http://www.pclinuxos.com/forum/index.php/topic,104718.0.html

It was also advice I received about problems I was having with occasional boot failures (and a probable undersized PSU being the likely cause during the demands of start-up). Turned out to be a video card problem though.

I think you have made a fair observation - I am probably guilty of extrapolating the specific to the general here.

<snip>


No need to apologize, I hadn't seen anything about that, and was just curious, that's all.

 :)

Title: Re: Whats your opinion
Post by: Dalewyn on May 08, 2012, 10:44:31 AM
I leave my desktop computers on 24/7 so that the HDDs don't undergo on/off cycles that can cause unneccesary wear on the drive motor and heads; as far as I care to know HDDs are under the least amount of stress when they're turned on and spinning and this tidbit of knowledge has thus far not failed me. Obviously I keep the HDDs from turning off when they're idle too.

The only times my desktops get shut down is when I need to perform maintenance on them or when I'm not going to be using them for an extended period of time.

My laptops I try and turn off into sleep mode when I don't need them though, the increased heat factor stresses the components far worse than repeated on/off cycles ever will.