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Other => General Topics => Topic started by: asianmusicguy on May 31, 2012, 09:44:18 PM
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hi guys im what you call a average/moderate user * looked at the recent thread Best firewall with avast " and im at a cross roads Comodo privitefirewall or Online armor now from what i can tell some firewalls have been having conflicts mainly comodo from what i can see have trouble operating alongside avast due to a flaw on the part of some firewalls not willing to adapt to windows 7 code is that correct?
anyway what i need is a maximum security possible with minimal alerts also advice on which of the 3 firewalls can co-exist the best with avast and the needed exclusions to make that happen thanks guys i love avast free
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All three I gave links to play well with avast and Win7. :)
http://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=98423.msg784711#msg784711
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yeah I saw that and its what help me narrow the choices down but this thread worries me
http://forums.comodo.com/firewall-help-cis/comodo-firewall-and-avast-7-t82382.0.html
and so does here
http://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=93953.0
http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showthread.php?t=317663
also im not a advanced user so i don't know what rules and exclusions and such should be made for each firewall to work effectively
i think comodo seems to be the best firewall but im worred about the things i have read in the links above has anyone found a successful fix to the comodo issue
i do alot of online shopping and such so really need the best solution i dont have a nat so i need this firewall
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yeah I saw that and its what help me narrow the choices down but this thread worries me
http://forums.comodo.com/firewall-help-cis/comodo-firewall-and-avast-7-t82382.0.html
and so does here
http://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=93953.0
http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showthread.php?t=317663
Yes Comodo does not have control on outbound traffic under Windows 7. Niether Windows firewall. A pity.
...also im not a advanced user so i don't know what rules and exclusions and such should be made for each firewall to work effectively..
So better to try other firewall because Comodo has a steep learning curve. Try to learn using a simpler firewall and when you feel ready, and if everything has been worked out between Comodo and Avast!, switch to Comodo later on.
A good place to read about free firewalls:
http://www.techsupportalert.com/best-free-firewall.htm
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This might help http://www.techsupportalert.com/best-free-firewall.htm :)
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i see from that limk that zonealarm isnt that great whats the learning curve on OA?and if i choose OA what settings do i need to modify so they can coexist well also how good is outpost these days for reference on my home pc I amused to the autmatic like nature of kap kasperky pure
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Outpost free 6.51 ( the standalone firewall ) is still available from sites like Filehippo http://www.filehippo.com/download_outpost_firewall/ but the program is no longer updated, you can download the free Outpost suite 7.1.1 http://free.agnitum.com/ and disable during install all other features bar the firewall. Outpost and Online Armor http://www.emsisoft.com/en/software/oa/ are very similar in there usability, set them to auto learn for the first week exclude the firewall program in the File System Shield exclusions and set all instances of your AV to allow all in the applications list.
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exclude the firewall program in the File System Shield exclusions and set all instances of your AV to allow all in the applications list.
can you explain this part ?
thanks
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exclude the firewall program in the File System Shield exclusions and set all instances of your AV to allow all in the applications list.
can you explain this part ?
thanks
Not much else to explain really, add the firewall program file to the exclusions in the avast file system shield and the avast processes such as AVAST.SETUP, AVASTSVC.EXE, AVASTUI.EXE you would set to allow all in the applications list of the firewall ( not sure if applications is the correct name in OA, might be processes ).
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alright thanks but im a little concerned OA doesn't? allow auto updates something like that's ok for MBAM but for a firewall?
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alright thanks but im a little concerned OA doesn't? allow auto updates something like that's ok for MBAM but for a firewall?
Rarely a firewall needs updates. The updates done, at most, is to add programs to its white list so that the firewall let the program thru. Now if the firewall has some kind of malware detection or heuristic capability you may recive updates once in a while, but not always. I use Comodo Firewall with D+ and only update the program when there is a new version. Asyn, an Avast! Über, still uses Comodo 3.14 which is at least a couple of years old, but one of its best stable firewall.
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hmm alright then
i really want so based on what we have discussed online armor free is a good choice?
really wanted to go with comodo but the no outbound worried me
can anyone do a little step by step guide for me id be so greatful
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After the install set your exclusions in avast before letting OA reboot the system, once you have restarted the system set your security programs to allow all in OA then reboot again.
OA has always required two boots to fully install and uninstall.
Anymore info will have to given by one off the members that are still using OA as many things have probably changed since i used it ;)
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Online Armor has issues with Flash Player updates. That's why I switched to Private Firewall.
Before installing OA Free do complete scans with avast, MBAM and SAS. If this is not done OA Free will
"think" everything on your machine is "safe". Also Online Armor is currently beta testing a new version.
No word as to when it will be a full release. :)
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im nit worried about the flash issue i can always diable it well it updates but will the beta fix that?
also your member safe surf gave a great post on OA recently on how to exclude avast found it yesteday ill be damned if i can find it again tho
and im pretty sure my system is clean as ive been running a trial of kasperky pure and using cc cleaner and mbam weekly
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also your member safe surf gave a great post on OA recently on how to exclude avast found it yesteday ill be damned if i can find it again tho
Well not that recently, but I think this is what you were looking for. Thanks SafeSurf:
http://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=91696.msg729839#msg729839
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exclude OA in Avast:
· Settings > Exclusions > Add > search for Online Armor and click on the box to the left of it and add it, then click OK.
· Real Time Shields > Expert Settings > Trusted Processes > Add > search for Online Armor and click on the box to the left of it and add it, then click OK.
· Behavior Shield > Expert Settings > Trusted Processes > Add > search for Online Armor and click on the box to the left of it and add it, then click OK. Also change action to take in Behavior Shield to “Ask.”
To exclude Avast in OA:
· Open the OA GUI > Options > Exclusions > Add > click on the pop-up window and find C:\Program Files\Avast Software\.
· When you reboot OA (to go into Learning Mode), make sure ALL Avast shields are left on.
· Reboot your machine again; OA requires two boots. After this second reboot, you may get a pop-up asking you if you trust Avast. Answer the pop-up as "Trust Always" and "Remember My Decision" and you should not get any more pop-ups.
· Open the OA GUI > Programs > untick "Hide Trusted" so that you can see everything > look to make sure everything from Avast is not "blocked" (red) or "ask" (yellow). If it is, right-click the item and change it to "Trust." Reboot.
· Open the OA GUI > Options > Backup/Restore > Save your settings once you have everything the way you want it.
Let us know if this fixes your problem. Thank you.
this great and has almost everything but as im not very advanced id like to know the exact process and things to set up
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Online Armor Free will walk you through the set-up. OA is pretty simple to set-up. After set-up is completed dig into the GUI to get as comfortable as you want. OA Free is an excellent choice it will serve you well. OA Free now has auto-updates, which is a plus. :)
I found PF to be fairly simple to set-up. Either way you have to dig around the GUI to find out what each has to offer. I found OA Free to do the job just fine. It's the flash player thing that got me, so I switched to PF and found I prefer Private Firewall. The downside of PF is everytime there is an update the user has to uninstall and re-install and export/import settings. But the user also has the option to "not" update. Do some research then decide which firewall is best suited for you.
Don't be afraid to try them all. You can always uninstall the one(s) you don't like. :)
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Ok so after reading everything i have decided on using OA i also recently read that flash update block will be corrected in a coming update/ next version thank you guys for all your help what im after is for someone to put a guide here like safe surf did above but be very specific about each file process and folders to exclude where something i can follow and put in a text document im a perfectionist and want everything eith this to go exactly as it should :)
then maybe we could sticky it or something
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To give you a step by step guide will be difficult since every system is different. The main thing is to make mutual exclusions in both OA and avast. Just make sure your computer is virus/infection/malware/spyware free before installing OA Free. Don't get too nervous as OA will lead through the set-up. It really is that simple. If you have problems feel free to visit OA forums. Or you always welcome here. We are more then happy to help when needed. Since you have made your decision rest assured OA will serve you well. I wish you the best. :)
http://support.emsisoft.com/forum/53-online-armor/ :)
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I'm very familiar with Avast and OA, and I've had no conflict with the Flash issue. However I always uninstall ALL versions of Flash prior to installing an updated version and reboot in between each install (I use the Flash Uninstaller tool).
As posted earlier in this thread, the way to do your exclusions for Avast and OA remains the same no matter what version you are using.
Let us know if you have any other questions. We are probably quicker to answer them here. ;)
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so basically i exclude the OA program folder in the file shield and in online armor exclude the avast processes AVAST.SETUP, AVASTSVC.EXE ?
is that all or have i missed a step?
also when you say remove all flash do you mean withe adobe uninstall or revo uninstaller or some other too?
and what i meant by guide was likr MBAM has for avast
or Avast see the instructions below:
Set Exclusions for Malwarebytes' Anti-Malware in Avast! Antivirus 6 (Free, Pro and Internet Security):
Open Avast! antivirus and click on REAL-TIME SHIELDS on the left
Click on File System Shield on the left and click on Expert Settings
Click the Exclusions section
Click on Browse next to the blank entry at the bottom of the list (this will be the only entry if no other exclusions have been set yet)
In the Select the areas window click on the + next to C:
Click the + next to Program Files Note: For 64 bit Windows versions this will be Program Files (x86)
Click the box next to Malwarebytes' Anti-Malware and click on OK
Click OK again
Click on Web Shield on the left and click Expert Settings
Click on Exclusions and check the box next to URLs to exclude:
Type or copy/paste the following address:
*.mbamupdates.com
Click on OK
Click on Behavior Shield on the left and click Expert Settings
Click on Trusted Processes
Click on Browse next to the blank entry at the bottom of the list (this will be the only entry if no other exclusions have been set yet)
Navigate to C:Program Files\Malwarebytes' Anti-Malware and click once on mbam.exe and click Open Note: For 64 bit Windows versions this will be Program Files (x86)
Do the same for the following files:
mbamgui.exe
mbamservice.exe
Click on OK
Close Avast! antivirus
Set Exclusions for Avast! Antivirus Free, Pro and Internet Security in Malwarebytes' Anti-Malware:
Open Malwarebytes' Anti-Malware and click on the Ignore List tab
Click on the Add button on the lower left
In the small browse window that opens, navigate to C:\Program Files and click once on avast software and click on OK
Close Malwarebytes' Anti-Malware
As for the OA firewall as long as Malwarebytes can update itself after OA is installed you should be fine but to be on the safe side you can do this:
Note: Please make sure that in the web filter, that you add the following as a trusted site:
data-cdn.mbamupdates.com
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(1) And AVASTUI.EXE if you have it there?
(2) Remove flash with the Adobe uninstaller.
(3)All systems have different software so there is no guide list, which is why you set OA to trust everything on your system, OA should auto learn everything else.
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one last thing is i do some testing for a company OA wont effect my connection to the software repo would it?
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one last thing is i do some testing for a company OA wont effect my connection to the software repo would it?
It shouldn't do, test and see.
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I'm very familiar with Avast and OA, and I've had no conflict with the Flash issue.
@SafeSurf see http://support.emsisoft.com/topic/7839-flash-update-being-blocked/
and http://support.emsisoft.com/topic/8101-flash-player/page__fromsearch__1 :)
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ok this is sorta off topic but sorta not oa keeps blocking dll my games from runningim currently trying to play quest fir glorry 5 which i bought from gog and every time the game loads a new scene i have to approve it im tierd of ticking trust and member my answer id rather have oa then not but it is getting annoying i
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Until someone with more experience with OA comes along try the OA forum link I provided you in reply 19.
Another idea is to tick the "install" box on the OA pop-up. It's been a while since I used OA so I'm winging it from memory. :)
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well im not stuck on online armor i could always uninstall would you recommend privitefirewall for somone like me
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You can always try it. Download PF> uninstall OA> re-boot> install PF> re-boot. :)
http://www.softpedia.com/get/Security/Firewall/Privatefirewall.shtml
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ok i ill eill give it a go right now of course id have to figure out exclusions again and could you help me config it to be non intrusive yet protective as i seem to recall languy doing a review back in o9 and its reactions was to ask about every single new process
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After you download OA and do everything that I suggested, OA require two (2) reboots. Make sure you put your exclusions in prior to doing the reboots. There is a new version of OA out now 5.5.0.1616, which should bring you to the updated version when it automatically does the update after the reboots, or you can manually do an update if you have the Free version. Reboot again twice if you get the newer version.
When installing a newer version of software, including MS/Windows Updates, I usually put OA into Learning Mode. As mentioned earlier, each software like Flash, has it's own Uninstaller. It is best to uninstall ALL versions of Flash prior to installing the newest version and reboot after each uninstall and install -- this is actually very easy and quick to do. You can save the Flash Uninstaller tool on your desktop since they change it so often (or if you need the memory put it on a stick). Then install one version of Flash (IE), and if needed a plug in (e.g. Firefox, etc.) one at a time with a reboot in between while OA is in Learning Mode.
Once done, take a look at OA Programs > unclick "Hide Trusted" to see that everything on the left column is check off in green. If it is not in green (meaning allowed), then right click it and a pop-up will appear and you can "Allow it" if it was a new software you just installed. Once done, click "Hide Trusted" again to minimize your list in OA. The go to the bottom of your toolbars, right click on OA, and then left click on Learning Mode to take it out of Learning Mode and put it into the Mode you want (Standard or Advanced).
Let us know if you have any questions.
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yeah I saw that and its what help me narrow the choices down but this thread worries me
http://forums.comodo.com/firewall-help-cis/comodo-firewall-and-avast-7-t82382.0.html
and so does here
http://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=93953.0
http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showthread.php?t=317663
Yes Comodo does not have control on outbound traffic under Windows 7. Niether Windows firewall. A pity.
...also im not a advanced user so i don't know what rules and exclusions and such should be made for each firewall to work effectively..
So better to try other firewall because Comodo has a steep learning curve. Try to learn using a simpler firewall and when you feel ready, and if everything has been worked out between Comodo and Avast!, switch to Comodo later on.
A good place to read about free firewalls:
http://www.techsupportalert.com/best-free-firewall.htm
well surely that is just a problem that comodo has with avast..i cant believe comodo cannot control outbound traffic under windows 7.i dont think this is correct and i dont think comodo would of overlooked something that critical.