Ok so i uninstalled IE, reboot, uninstalled firefox, reboot, uninstalled Avast, reboot. then reinstalled IE, reboot, reinstalled Firefox, reboot, reinstalled from my original 3-3-14 installation download, reboot and everything works. update avast with the new release on 4-17-14, acts little wierd, plugins show 2x on both firefox and IE, reboot and everything seems to work now. Jeez, all this for an update to Avast??? Really?? we'll see what happens next time. if this is a repeat, Avast is gone, i don't care if i do have another 11 months left on it.