No i installed avast7 free. it's not a big deal. So i would need to add a firewall? that's ok. I have been a loyal ariva user for six years and put up with all the bull. But I've had it and so farthe avast install went fine and I had downloaded pages to read before the install. I don't like to post and take peopels time if i can figure it out on the internet. However your replay is about three hours faster than the ariva forum, plus i can only post in my post, locked from posting in any other post? THANKS MUCH