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Two takes on why Windows 8 is failing.
« on: March 11, 2013, 05:48:11 PM »
I just read what I consider to be two good articles about the slow and getting slower Windows 8 adoption rate. I think they make solid points.

http://www.zdnet.com/will-90-percent-of-users-always-hate-windows-8-7000012348/?s_cid=e539

http://www.zdnet.com/five-ways-to-save-windows-8-7000012369/?s_cid=e539

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Re: Two takes on why Windows 8 is failing.
« Reply #1 on: March 11, 2013, 06:00:19 PM »
Interesting read.
However, for me just following this quote:

 "Regardless, I now find myself in the ridiculous situation of thinking that, actually, the only way to deal with Windows 8 in the consumer market is to install one of these stupid Start menu replacements.

It's one less thing that people have to learn".

If that's all it takes, then what's the problem?
Works for me. :)
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Re: Two takes on why Windows 8 is failing.
« Reply #2 on: March 11, 2013, 07:02:57 PM »
I've preached about installing Classic Shell  for Windows 8 for about 1 year.
It takes the hassle out of dealing with the Modern Desktop if it bothers you.
It actually gives you the best of both worlds.
http://www.pcworld.com/article/2026719/review-classic-shell-brings-the-start-menu-to-windows-8-for-free.html
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Re: Two takes on why Windows 8 is failing.
« Reply #3 on: March 11, 2013, 07:12:19 PM »
I've preached about installing Classic Shell  for Windows 8 for about 1 year.
It takes the hassle out of dealing with the Modern Desktop if it bothers you.
It actually gives you the best of both worlds.
http://www.pcworld.com/article/2026719/review-classic-shell-brings-the-start-menu-to-windows-8-for-free.html

Yup!!
And such a fuss over something so easily fixed/ by-passed ::) ;)
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Re: Two takes on why Windows 8 is failing.
« Reply #4 on: March 11, 2013, 07:24:10 PM »
It was a stupid idea of Microsoft to have left out the start menu as that is really the only failing of win8 I can find and what most user's hate as everything else just works better imo, thanks to Stardocks Start8 application I have everything working the same as I did with win7 only it's faster with a few extra nice features  ;D

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Re: Two takes on why Windows 8 is failing.
« Reply #5 on: March 11, 2013, 07:51:37 PM »
It was a stupid idea of Microsoft to have left out the start menu as that is really the only failing of win8 I can find and what most user's hate as everything else just works better imo, thanks to Stardocks Start8 application I have everything working the same as I did with win7 only it's faster with a few extra nice features  ;D

Totally agree on the interface, despite many reviews to the contrary they never too a blind bit of notice of the users/reviews and ploughed on regardless with the metro interface and no means to permanently switch to a classic style. Until 3rd party software became available to bypass that interface completely.

For me it is this type of intransigence by MS that has shot themselves in the foot and even though there are now 3rd party options to get a classic style interface, many including myself are being just as intransigent in avoiding win8.

It might be cutting off my nose to spite my face, but isn't that exactly what MS have done, here it is one size fits all, take it or leave it; in what has been designed as a touch screen OS.
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Re: Two takes on why Windows 8 is failing.
« Reply #6 on: March 11, 2013, 07:52:56 PM »
Start8 isn't free. ClassicShell is and has more features than Start8. :)
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Re: Two takes on why Windows 8 is failing.
« Reply #7 on: March 11, 2013, 08:07:35 PM »
Start8 isn't free. ClassicShell is and has more features than Start8. :)
Start8 is only $5 for what is a more true too win7 look and operation and a much more professional interface and functionality Bob, I tried ClassicShell and though it was alright and did what it was supposed to it didn't exactly resemble the win7 start menu and it's design was messy and the Interface was horrible and confusing, way to many options as all they had to do was replicate the win7 start menu and they didn't.

ClassicShell is good for a freebie but I'm quite happy to pay for quality :)

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Re: Two takes on why Windows 8 is failing.
« Reply #8 on: March 11, 2013, 08:19:23 PM »
Microsoft could have saved themselves a boatload of problems if they had just released a version of win8 for the desktop & Laptop PCs W/O Metro.
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Re: Two takes on why Windows 8 is failing.
« Reply #9 on: March 11, 2013, 08:26:25 PM »
Microsoft could have saved themselves a boatload of problems if they had just released a version of win8 for the desktop & Laptop PCs W/O Metro.
All they needed to include was the start menu and the ability to boot straight to the desktop and everybody would have been as happy as a pig in mud :)

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Re: Two takes on why Windows 8 is failing.
« Reply #10 on: March 11, 2013, 09:28:55 PM »
Start8 isn't free. ClassicShell is and has more features than Start8. :)
Start8 is only $5 for what is a more true too win7 look and operation and a much more professional interface and functionality Bob, I tried ClassicShell and though it was alright and did what it was supposed to it didn't exactly resemble the win7 start menu and it's design was messy and the Interface was horrible and confusing, way to many options as all they had to do was replicate the win7 start menu and they didn't.

ClassicShell is good for a freebie but I'm quite happy to pay for quality :)
Another user specific opinion. I'll still stick with ClassicShell and I've tried all of them including your favorite.
I've also reported on most of them. :)
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Re: Two takes on why Windows 8 is failing.
« Reply #11 on: March 11, 2013, 09:44:33 PM »
Microsoft could have saved themselves a boatload of problems if they had just released a version of win8 for the desktop & Laptop PCs W/O Metro.
+1  The computer guy that did the reformat for me recently told me that he gets a lot of business from customers that bought W8.
      Then take their brand spanking new machine to him so he can reformat and install Win7. He claims W8 has been good for his repair shop.  8)
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Re: Two takes on why Windows 8 is failing.
« Reply #12 on: March 11, 2013, 09:59:25 PM »
Microsoft could have saved themselves a boatload of problems if they had just released a version of win8 for the desktop & Laptop PCs W/O Metro.
+1  The computer guy that did the reformat for me recently told me that he gets a lot of business from customers that bought W8.
      Then take their brand spanking new machine to him so he can reformat and install Win7. He claims W8 has been good for his repair shop.  8)
Sorry but I can't see any one downgrading to windows 7 from a Windows 8 Computer.
It doesn't make any sense to me to convert to something that's slower and less secure when a simple
retrofit would have left you with a better OS.
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Re: Two takes on why Windows 8 is failing.
« Reply #13 on: March 11, 2013, 10:41:31 PM »
Microsoft could have saved themselves a boatload of problems if they had just released a version of win8 for the desktop & Laptop PCs W/O Metro.
+1  The computer guy that did the reformat for me recently told me that he gets a lot of business from customers that bought W8.
      Then take their brand spanking new machine to him so he can reformat and install Win7. He claims W8 has been good for his repair shop.  8)
Sorry but I can't see any one downgrading to windows 7 from a Windows 8 Computer.
It doesn't make any sense to me to convert to something that's slower and less secure when a simple
retrofit would have left you with a better OS.

Bob, I'm seeing it also. So far I've taken win 8 off of two customers systems with at least 1 more to go. I've told them about classicshell and start8, but they still wanted Win7 and are willing to pay the extra for a copy of Win 7. And (As Microsoft should learn) The customer is always right.

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Re: Two takes on why Windows 8 is failing.
« Reply #14 on: March 11, 2013, 11:35:33 PM »
Microsoft could have saved themselves a boatload of problems if they had just released a version of win8 for the desktop & Laptop PCs W/O Metro.
+1  The computer guy that did the reformat for me recently told me that he gets a lot of business from customers that bought W8.
      Then take their brand spanking new machine to him so he can reformat and install Win7. He claims W8 has been good for his repair shop.  8)
Sorry but I can't see any one downgrading to windows 7 from a Windows 8 Computer.
It doesn't make any sense to me to convert to something that's slower and less secure when a simple
retrofit would have left you with a better OS.

Bob, I'm seeing it also. So far I've taken win 8 off of two customers systems with at least 1 more to go. I've told them about classicshell and start8, but they still wanted Win7 and are willing to pay the extra for a copy of Win 7. And (As Microsoft should learn) The customer is always right.
Sorry but in this case, the customer is foolish. Take it from someone who has now used Windows 8 for about 1 year.
Sure, there is a learning curve but, there always has been a learning curve when you go from one OS to a newer version.
Even avast! 8 is different from avast!7 but I certainly wouldn't want to go back to version 7 considering the increase in protection
offered in avast!8.
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