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Re: Two takes on why Windows 8 is failing.
« Reply #15 on: March 11, 2013, 11:54:05 PM »
Microsoft could have saved themselves a boatload of problems if they had just released a version of win8 for the desktop & Laptop PCs W/O Metro.
+1  The computer guy that did the reformat for me recently told me that he gets a lot of business from customers that bought W8.
      Then take their brand spanking new machine to him so he can reformat and install Win7. He claims W8 has been good for his repair shop.  8)
Sorry but I can't see any one downgrading to windows 7 from a Windows 8 Computer.
It doesn't make any sense to me to convert to something that's slower and less secure when a simple
retrofit would have left you with a better OS.

Bob, I'm seeing it also. So far I've taken win 8 off of two customers systems with at least 1 more to go. I've told them about classicshell and start8, but they still wanted Win7 and are willing to pay the extra for a copy of Win 7. And (As Microsoft should learn) The customer is always right.
Sorry but in this case, the customer is foolish. Take it from someone who has now used Windows 8 for about 1 year.
Sure, there is a learning curve but, there always has been a learning curve when you go from one OS to a newer version.
Even avast! 8 is different from avast!7 but I certainly wouldn't want to go back to version 7 considering the increase in protection
offered in avast!8.
With all due respect I disagree. The traditional desktop icons are what people prefer. Consumers always seem to let their preferences be known with their pocket book. When the first thing a customer sees is the metro style tiles they obviously go "yikes". A customer should never "have" to go out of their way to get what they wanted in the first place. I fail to see anything positive out of not having "all" icons on the same screen or 'never" having the start menu from the get-go. MicroSoft has displayed bad marketing technique by not listening to the ninety per centers.The way I see it is that hopefully W8 will die off before Vista. Another thing is W8 is a funeral waiting to happen. IMHO  8)
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Re: Two takes on why Windows 8 is failing.
« Reply #16 on: March 11, 2013, 11:59:08 PM »
There is also startmenu setup .I thought it was great until I learned how to use metro.By the way startmenu is free ans easy to use.

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Re: Two takes on why Windows 8 is failing.
« Reply #17 on: March 12, 2013, 12:06:51 AM »
Microsoft could have saved themselves a boatload of problems if they had just released a version of win8 for the desktop & Laptop PCs W/O Metro.
All they needed to include was the start menu and the ability to boot straight to the desktop and everybody would have been as happy as a pig in mud :)

Couldn't agree more, but I think MS wanted all platforms to have the sane interface, Desktop through to Windows Phone. But the metro interface as far as I and many others were concerned is unsuitable for desktops/non-touch screens. Who can imaging trying to use a large desktop touch screen, your arms would be dropping off after an hour.

They are building the same walled garden approach as Apple also where apps come through the Microsoft app store.
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Re: Two takes on why Windows 8 is failing.
« Reply #18 on: March 12, 2013, 12:13:58 AM »
Microsoft could have saved themselves a boatload of problems if they had just released a version of win8 for the desktop & Laptop PCs W/O Metro.
All they needed to include was the start menu and the ability to boot straight to the desktop and everybody would have been as happy as a pig in mud :)

Couldn't agree more, but I think MS wanted all platforms to have the sane interface, Desktop through to Windows Phone. But the metro interface as far as I and many others were concerned is unsuitable for desktops/non-touch screens. Who can imaging trying to use a large desktop touch screen, your arms would be dropping off after an hour.

They are building the same walled garden approach as Apple also where apps come through the Microsoft app store.
My 17.3" Dell isn't a touch screen but, I use the following to make touch on that computer available:

http://www.logitech.com/en-us/product/touchpad-t650
( I don't use it very often since almost everything can be done with a mouse.)
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Re: Two takes on why Windows 8 is failing.
« Reply #19 on: March 12, 2013, 12:26:11 AM »
The best way to access all software is a mouse click away.
The main reason I can't stand touch screens are all of the fingerprints and smudges left behind.
The quickest way to get a command is a "start" button already built-in.
Sorry Bob, I'm not buying the "W8 is a great machine" line. And neither are the 90%.
W8 is a multi-billion dollar fiasco. Which comes at a great time after the EU levied a huge fine against MicroSoft.
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Re: Two takes on why Windows 8 is failing.
« Reply #20 on: March 12, 2013, 12:32:36 AM »
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Couldn't agree more, but I think MS wanted all platforms to have the sane interface, Desktop through to Windows Phone. But the metro interface as far as I and many others were concerned is unsuitable for desktops/non-touch screens. Who can imaging trying to use a large desktop touch screen, your arms would be dropping off after an hour.
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My 17.3" Dell isn't a touch screen but, I use the following to make touch on that computer available:

http://www.logitech.com/en-us/product/touchpad-t650
( I don't use it very often since almost everything can be done with a mouse.)
The fastest way to access any program or command is through a simple search. :)

And that really is the whole point, why should people have to A) get (purchase or free) an application to give them back the non-metro/classic interface and B) why should they have to buy hardware just to be able to use the touch screen features.

It just doesn't make sense, when they already have a keyboard and mouse that is perfectly fine.
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Re: Two takes on why Windows 8 is failing.
« Reply #21 on: March 12, 2013, 12:51:30 AM »
I think Windows 8 is brilliant and I can tell you straight up that it is far more efficient with mouse and keyboard than it is using touch. For the doubters who keep claiming Windows 8 is hard to navigate with keyboard and mouse, watch my YouTube video which proves you wrong: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dnbl_3PDmG4

Windows 8 is Windows 7 vastly improved. Windows 7 with extra features, far quicker boot up and shut down, and the ability to use mobile apps, which has been a dream of mine for ages. I always used to look at certain apps on my phone/tablet (which are presented so much nicer than their website counterparts) and think "I wish we had these kind of apps in Windows". Now we do :-)

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Re: Two takes on why Windows 8 is failing.
« Reply #22 on: March 12, 2013, 01:16:10 AM »
Welcome to the forum cooloox.
The video is worth watching.  :)
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Re: Two takes on why Windows 8 is failing.
« Reply #23 on: March 12, 2013, 02:11:44 AM »
Thank you very much, Bob and thanks for your kind words.

I just installed Avast 8 when Windows Defender encountered an issue. The Service keeps on stopping, inexplicably. I was surprised to find a Windows 8 discussion going on in the Avast forums :-)

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Re: Two takes on why Windows 8 is failing.
« Reply #24 on: March 12, 2013, 07:25:51 AM »
Start8 isn't free. ClassicShell is and has more features than Start8. :)
Start8 is only $5 for what is a more true too win7 look and operation and a much more professional interface and functionality Bob, I tried ClassicShell and though it was alright and did what it was supposed to it didn't exactly resemble the win7 start menu and it's design was messy and the Interface was horrible and confusing, way to many options as all they had to do was replicate the win7 start menu and they didn't.

ClassicShell is good for a freebie but I'm quite happy to pay for quality :)
Another user specific opinion. I'll still stick with ClassicShell and I've tried all of them including your favorite.
I've also reported on most of them. :)
As is your opinion user specific Bob ;) I have also tried all of them, the only difference is I'm not a cheapskate and will quite happily pay for something if I find it is better.

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Re: Two takes on why Windows 8 is failing.
« Reply #25 on: March 12, 2013, 02:02:20 PM »
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the only difference is I'm not a cheapskate and will quite happily pay for something if I find it is better.
I guess that's why I own Winpatrol+ and MBAM Pro and many other paid versions ???
I've also sent in quite a few donations to free programs to support their continued developement.
There is a difference between a cheapskate and what I would consider someone who is frugal and prudent. :)

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Re: Two takes on why Windows 8 is failing.
« Reply #26 on: March 12, 2013, 02:06:16 PM »
Thank you very much, Bob and thanks for your kind words.

I just installed Avast 8 when Windows Defender encountered an issue. The Service keeps on stopping, inexplicably. I was surprised to find a Windows 8 discussion going on in the Avast forums :-)
Windows Defender on Windows 8 is a combination of the Old Defender and Microsoft Security Essentials and as such, should be removed prior to installing avast!
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There is more about Windows 8 on the avast! Forum on the following thread:
http://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=85094.msg895184#msg895184
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Re: Two takes on why Windows 8 is failing.
« Reply #27 on: March 12, 2013, 02:06:26 PM »
Keyboard shortcuts are for the birds. I never use any except for just the Windows key itself to minimize a full screen game and look something up. Having to remember combination key presses is like going back to DOS.
« Last Edit: March 12, 2013, 02:09:17 PM by Dch48 »

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Re: Two takes on why Windows 8 is failing.
« Reply #28 on: March 12, 2013, 04:12:55 PM »
The best way to access all software is a mouse click away.
The main reason I can't stand touch screens are all of the fingerprints and smudges left behind.
The quickest way to get a command is a "start" button already built-in.
Sorry Bob, I'm not buying the "W8 is a great machine" line. And neither are the 90%.
W8 is a multi-billion dollar fiasco. Which comes at a great time after the EU levied a huge fine against MicroSoft.
Intelligence doesn't always equal common sense.  :)

Common sense is 'subjective'
It just depends which common man/women believes just what is sensible. ;
And as far as Win 8 is concerned I would say it was one of the most sensible computer decisions I've made and I'm pretty common.
For the 90%, from what I've read it's not the OS system that they dislike (because they never get that far).......It's the dam Metro everyone is talking about. ;)
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