after much ado, and a couple of weeks starting and restarting, i went back through the factory default win8, reinstalled everything, got it back to my normal.
(making sure it was avast 9.something)
updated to win8.1, everything works fine.
thanks again Alikhan and essexboy for all your help.
sorry for the all trouble guys, i just assumed if i paid for pro version the autoupdates would be more auto.