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Re: Why hacking?
« Reply #15 on: January 01, 2014, 01:28:13 PM »
Hi Pondus and Bigby,

Why have this discussion as official government hackers can hack your wifi from 13 km distance: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0w36GAyZIA
And Nightstand can be placed on drones. So if you are already fully transparent to surveillance goons! On the other hand when you want to search someone's mobile phone number you have great trouble sometimes finding them online. I feel we have long passed the station where we had a say in the matter or the point where we could. I remember someone discussing geo-location blocking and his activities were frowned upon. So it seems there is a majority that even likes that transparency manipulation?  ;D

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Re: Why hacking?
« Reply #16 on: January 01, 2014, 01:44:00 PM »
Thank you pondus. I'll check that out.

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Re: Why hacking?
« Reply #17 on: January 01, 2014, 02:11:41 PM »
Hi Pondus and Bigby,

Why have this discussion as official government hackers can hack your wifi from 13 km distance: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0w36GAyZIA
And Nightstand can be placed on drones. So if you are already fully transparent to surveillance goons! On the other hand when you want to search someone's mobile phone number you have great trouble sometimes finding them online. I feel we have long passed the station where we had a say in the matter or the point where we could. I remember someone discussing geo-location blocking and his activities were frowned upon. So it seems there is a majority that even likes that transparency manipulation?  ;D

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Uum, you mean that this discussion in sorta dangerous?

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Re: Why hacking?
« Reply #18 on: January 01, 2014, 04:47:54 PM »
Hi Bigby,

No I did not mean that at all. The discussion is actual and should be held. Realize under all circumstances what you do on the Interwebs is done in public. All information on the Internet is being fingerprinted, sold, under surveillance from both government and big corporations alike that work hand in foot. As long as you realize that position you take the security measures in the light of that position/situation. Some now use fancy nail glitter-polish as a secret weapon against physical keylogging attacks from laptop spies.: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KV4XnvE2p34
At home you close your doors and lock them against intruders, but your smart meter inside your home is giving away what you do on the mains etc. Out in the street they cannot enter your house, but still via smart meters they could guess how many times you opened the fridge (maybe it is a smart fridge with a chip inside). That is how transparent life works for you. It is dangerous only whenever you are not fully aware,

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Re: Why hacking?
« Reply #19 on: January 01, 2014, 05:30:29 PM »
Thanks! I am aware of that kind of stuff and I know that basically they now everything about us (whenever I check the occasional pop-ups I always wonder: "how the heck can they know that I was interested in that? Simple they just keep track of all my purchase and navigation online). It's annoying though not dangerous for me since I don't have important data to hide\protect. 

It's all good.  8)

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Re: Why hacking?
« Reply #20 on: January 01, 2014, 06:33:41 PM »
Realize under all circumstances what you do on the Interwebs is done in public. All information on the Internet is being fingerprinted, sold, under surveillance from both government and big corporations alike that work hand in foot. As long as you realize that position you take the security measures in the light of that position/situation.
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Speaking of privacy,

I heared about a part of the web called "the deep web"(read an article on TIME magazine). Google cannot access it and they say you can remain anonymous while navigating there. They say that more and more people are going there (it should be also pretty easy to access they say) to have some decent privacy. Though they also say that it is a den and a safehouse for hackers and the black market. Do you think that navigating there could be more dangerous than staying in the regular web?

Thank you for the info.

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Re: Why hacking?
« Reply #21 on: January 01, 2014, 08:11:41 PM »
Why should you have to try and hide, just by going there might mean google can't track you, you may well be tracked by someone else much more interested than google.

If you realise that it is possible to be tracked by many organisations other than google, so if you wouldn't say or publish something in public then don't do it on the internet, because in many instances it is just that public (available to scrutiny).

I would suggest that any government organisation, etc. may well take a keen interest in what might be going on in sites that use methods to try and obfuscate, keep private, hide content, etc. So going to such sites may well place you under a bigger microscope.
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Re: Why hacking?
« Reply #22 on: January 01, 2014, 08:33:56 PM »
Agree with what DavidR says here. So basic line is do not do things online what you would not think of to do in public offline. And when for instance you use tor, know you could come under scutiny, because why would you like to use it in the first place? But I think that could be a second concern as they probably will have a complete online profile about your "clicks" even before you start to use so-called anonymizers. This profile from the ID traces you leave behind  like bread crums in the Hansel and Gretel fairy tale and there are no birds that come to eat them online  ;D

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Re: Why hacking?
« Reply #23 on: January 02, 2014, 09:54:18 AM »
I didn't say I want to use tor. I was curious because I read that tor is way bigger (something like 229 terabytes while the normal web in 19) than the "regular" web. And obviously it's not 100% anonymous since Silk Road got caught. Anyway how can somebody end up navigating in tor? Do you need something in particular?

P.S. I liked the comparison you made with Hansel and Gretel. If only we had the birds eating all the tasty crums we left...
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Re: Why hacking?
« Reply #24 on: January 02, 2014, 03:02:26 PM »
You can read some answers yourself here: http://www.theverge.com/2013/10/4/4802512/nsa-failed-to-compromise-tor-network-but-exploited-browser-vulnerabilities
Tor was the best American Navy Intelligence ever developed and we owe them gratitude forever. Only the access and exit nodes were compromised to an extent and also the user agents that tor runs on are normally "holed".  We may loose anonimity on tor in due time -> http://securityaffairs.co/wordpress/17489/intelligence/traf%EF%AC%81c-correlation-vs-anonymity-on-tor.html   See tor path simulator - view: http://torps.github.io/
I would not gamble with it because compromise now lures everywhere even from the software on your custom installation. It may not be free of additional goodies that came pre-shipped. So never even consider doing something naughty. Like youngsters posting things on social media and won't get a job later because their future boss snooped on their online trails. Better safe than sorry. As the saying goes: "" If you cannot do the time etc...".

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Re: Why hacking?
« Reply #25 on: January 02, 2014, 05:34:45 PM »

 So never even consider doing something naughty.

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Why would I do something naughty?  ???
So basically Tor is not meant for "common users"? But for naughty people? (apart from specialists who are tracking and hunting down the black market guys?)
« Last Edit: January 02, 2014, 06:04:59 PM by Bigby »