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Offline AdrianH

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Re: End of support of Windows XP
« Reply #15 on: March 10, 2014, 03:58:22 PM »
Randissimo,

You are talking yourself down a very deep hole, will you ever reach the bottom?

You have already stated that no machine is truly safe, no antivirus or antimalware app is perfect, and any machine can be compromised.

Ergo any machine whether XP or Win8.1 could be part of a botnet until the problem is noticed/found/removed.

Look at the Worm/Virus section of this forum to see the well protected machines that fall down.

So again your reasoning and argument against using XP falls on its face.

Using Deep Freeze , the entire system is reverted to a clean state on each and every reboot, the Windows system cannot be infected and any problem is removed.

Better still is to use measures to reduce the risks of landing at bad sites. My systems have been clean and safe since 2006 .....  ;)
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Re: End of support of Windows XP
« Reply #16 on: March 10, 2014, 04:26:21 PM »
AdrianH,

It's all about minimizing risks.

If someone has the option to upgrade to Windows 7 or 8.1 or to go without network access or to use a Linux distribution for internet access, it's still better than promoting software for protecting a long overdue operating system.

You wouldn't recommend using Avast4, would you?

Even if a Windows 7 or 8.1 could be part of a botnet, there is a much smaller chance for that, because the security is much higher and the holes are still being fixed.

With ads and cross-site-scriptings like a simple image from a comprimised hoster, every single website could be a "bad site".

But well, I don't expect to reasonable argue with someone who claims to be "virus free". ;)

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Re: End of support of Windows XP
« Reply #17 on: March 10, 2014, 04:42:20 PM »
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But well, I don't expect to reasonable argue with someone who claims to be "virus free".
By your premise, every computer is infected including yours. Which is total nonsense.
At our senior center, I have 2 computers that have Windows 8.1 installed and then had Deep Freeze installed.
They reboot each day to a clean state without the aid of any protection aside from Deep Freeze despite being online
and without restrictions as to which websites are visited.



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Re: End of support of Windows XP
« Reply #18 on: March 10, 2014, 04:59:44 PM »
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But well, I don't expect to reasonable argue with someone who claims to be "virus free".
By your premise, every computer is infected including yours. Which is total nonsense.
I didn't write that. The only thing that is "nonsense" here is to claim to be "virus free" which is both an arrogant and ignorant statement.


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Re: End of support of Windows XP
« Reply #19 on: March 10, 2014, 05:06:33 PM »
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But well, I don't expect to reasonable argue with someone who claims to be "virus free".
By your premise, every computer is infected including yours. Which is total nonsense.
I didn't write that. The only thing that is "nonsense" here is to claim to be "virus free" which is both an arrogant and ignorant statement.
No sense arguing with someone who has their mind made up. Enjoy your assumption. :)
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Re: End of support of Windows XP
« Reply #20 on: March 10, 2014, 05:09:05 PM »
I don't assume anything. I'm just not that arrogant and/or ignorant to think that some programs can keep me 100 percent "virus free".

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Re: End of support of Windows XP
« Reply #21 on: March 10, 2014, 05:39:34 PM »
I was hoping for some new and useable information in this "discussion".
With all the personal attacks I Can see that's not gonna happen. ;D
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Re: End of support of Windows XP
« Reply #22 on: March 10, 2014, 05:49:29 PM »
I was hoping for some new and useable information in this "discussion".
With all the personal attacks I Can see that's not gonna happen. ;D
The information was already posted:
Create an image backup right after the last update of XP from MS. and keep it in a safe place.
Make sure that all your programs and your AV are kept as up to date as possible and keep your fingers crossed.
If your system does start acting strangely, restore the image you created. :)
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Re: End of support of Windows XP
« Reply #23 on: March 10, 2014, 06:01:39 PM »
I was hoping for some new and useable information in this "discussion".
With all the personal attacks I Can see that's not gonna happen. ;D
The information was already posted:
Create an image backup right after the last update of XP from MS. and keep it in a safe place.
Make sure that all your programs and your AV are kept as up to date as possible and keep your fingers crossed.
If your system does start acting strangely, restore the image you created. :)

Yes, I've  been following.
As I my W8.1 is my production OS, I still do use xpSP3 for some office work with compatible equipment.
Any discussion regarding XP attracts my attention.
Thanks Bob. ;)
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Re: End of support of Windows XP
« Reply #24 on: March 10, 2014, 06:06:15 PM »
I was hoping for some new and useable information in this "discussion".
With all the personal attacks I Can see that's not gonna happen. ;D
The information was already posted:
Create an image backup right after the last update of XP from MS. and keep it in a safe place.
Make sure that all your programs and your AV are kept as up to date as possible and keep your fingers crossed.
If your system does start acting strangely, restore the image you created. :)

Yes, I've  been following.
As I my W8.1 is my production OS, I still do use xpSP3 for some office work with compatible equipment.
Any discussion regarding XP attracts my attention.
Thanks Bob. ;)
The compatibility mode in Windows 8.1 happens to be excellent and you can probably run your old programs on 8.1 as good as
you currently do on XP.
Why not try one of those old programs on 8.1 ???

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Re: End of support of Windows XP
« Reply #25 on: March 10, 2014, 06:20:40 PM »
Yes, that is very true Bob.
I have been taking note, but as you probably are aware, W8.1 is my OS of choice and as I have become more and more acquainted with this new OS I personally wouldn't go back to XP for so many reasons; and one can only spend so much time playing around, one does have to get work done...Securely.
Having said that, I don't have any immediate plans to ditch my XP laptop and as a result follow any discussion that offers reasonable and useful information. :)
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Re: End of support of Windows XP
« Reply #26 on: March 10, 2014, 06:31:23 PM »
I don't see any reason to trust using Windows XP once it is no longer supported. With an operating system and 3rd party apps that are no longer being updated, I would never sign on to any site that requires a password or have any trust in using the computer.

I have been thinking of what I would do and have decided the XP notebook is going in the round file and the battery is going to recycle.



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Re: End of support of Windows XP
« Reply #27 on: March 10, 2014, 06:55:48 PM »
Hi well I think you are all being ridiculous. XP of course no one would use the last MS supported browser on XP ie 8 so if you are going to worry about XP and have been using ie 8 you have been compromised for a long time. As long as you use a updated browser of your choice and a good av program it will not get any more infected than any other os. I used XP for years with no windows updates ever being installed and had no problems. What does get you infected is your browsing habits  looking for cracked software downloading files from a file share program porn sites. As far as I am concerned XP will be just fine and I can guarantee you huge businesses will not race to change from XP just because MS has stopped support. As for creating a image why all the updates will be on Windows update for a long time. So going to the wrong site that is infected will infect win 7 or 8 just as fast as it will XP
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Re: End of support of Windows XP
« Reply #28 on: March 10, 2014, 07:52:20 PM »
I don't see any reason to trust using Windows XP once it is no longer supported. With an operating system and 3rd party apps that are no longer being updated, I would never sign on to any site that requires a password or have any trust in using the computer.

I have been thinking of what I would do and have decided the XP notebook is going in the round file and the battery is going to recycle.
I'd be happy to take that laptop off your hands, Simply wipe the hard drive and send it to me. One of my seniors would be glad to receive it.
I'll install windows 8.1 on that laptop. :P 
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Re: End of support of Windows XP
« Reply #29 on: March 10, 2014, 07:55:45 PM »
@Hammey,
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As for creating a image why
I guess you've never had your Hard drive crash ???
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