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Re: Poor scores At AV-Tests,what's going on avast?
« Reply #15 on: March 28, 2014, 11:09:27 AM »
Perhaps the results would be different if the 'Sensitivity' was high. I think AV-Test uses the default settings. Even the on demand avast scan.

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Re: Poor scores At AV-Tests,what's going on avast?
« Reply #16 on: March 28, 2014, 01:44:42 PM »
No,since v5 they were there but not added so often as now and they werent active as of now what avast blog article tells me is safemachine 2 has been launched couple years back so I am guessing its from v6 and they were working on it since then.

I have seen Sf detections from the avast deepscreen module and that is the reason I am confident its that.Plus,3 or 4 years back I never saw it in the sandbox neither it came in vps update history and it came very rarely.

Read: https://blog.avast.com/2014/02/07/research-buzz-undercover-technology/

This technology was fired up only in the start of this year and they are bettering it since then.Although Sf has been there even before it was very basic and very rarely added detection.Since end of feb I am seeing in every alternate VPS.
Yes, more and more Sf detections are added recently. Back on 2011 they were added once in a month or less.

But it does not mean it was not working at that time... see the Virustotal results back in 2011, they detected "Sf:Mystic [Cryp]" as avast5 detection (although its version is already 6 at that time).

This is what I saw during these times. There was no DeepScreen back then.
I checked my old malware samples and yes, I sent some samples detected as "Sf:Mystic" to avast lab in Jan 2011.

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Re: Poor scores At AV-Tests,what's going on avast?
« Reply #17 on: March 28, 2014, 03:13:47 PM »
Perhaps the results would be different if the 'Sensitivity' was high. I think AV-Test uses the default settings. Even the on demand avast scan.

I can tell you that it wouldn't. I'm not even sure if sensitivity levels even do anything. There were supposedly differences, but i frankly could never see them.
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Re: Poor scores At AV-Tests,what's going on avast?
« Reply #18 on: March 28, 2014, 06:19:40 PM »
I've noticed a trend with avast! where they have bunch of really awesome ideas all the time, but they rarely make them useful in the end. Or they don't appear so to the end user. Behavior Shield. We thought we'd finally see behavior blocker in avast!. And it turned out to do exactly nothing at all. Autosandbox when it was introduced, didn't yield much results and hardly anyone has ever seen it detect anything. Then it was a brief time of awesome sightings of Autosandbox detections for like 1 month and then it all went silent. DeepScreen was introduced and since it's introduction, just like with Autosandbox, we haven't seen much of it's detections. A lot of "Analyzing" popups and hardly any detection. Then there were several upgrades with hardly any effects. Their statistics may say otherwise, but seeing it work in the wild is another thing. Only thing that actually seems to work is Evo-Gen. I just don't understand what's going on in there. What's the cause of all the bright ideas to never function in real world. Or i just set the expectations too high. But then again i had the same expectations for Bitdefender and Kaspersky and look where they are constantly in the tests...

IMHO, they are focused on other software items to generate $$$ and not keeping eye on the A/V ball.
Frankly, I do Custom Install and uncheck all but the shields.
The virtualization driver for Sandbox "appears" to cause BSODs.
AOS is still limping along.
Don't get me started on GrimeFighter.
I think the "developers" have posted loudly this is not their decision but managements.
I think "management" is going down the Symantec path which IHMO is offering nothing...especially to pay for.....and diluting what they are good at and during which diminishing the Avast "brand". 

Wonder if there is "new" management within Avast.....or worse.....they hired some consulting firm to "help" them guide the biz.
Hope they figure this out before they spiral too far down the rabbit hole.
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Re: Poor scores At AV-Tests,what's going on avast?
« Reply #19 on: March 28, 2014, 09:48:59 PM »
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I think "management" is going down the Symantec path ...

Wonder if there is "new" management within Avast.....

Well, the CEO no doubt trod that path while a VP at Symantec.

"New" since when? There may be a cause/effect relationship between this trend and the hiring of a former Symantec Sales exec as CEO. Or it may just be a positive correlation with no causal implications ...

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Re: Poor scores At AV-Tests,what's going on avast?
« Reply #20 on: March 28, 2014, 09:55:52 PM »
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I think "management" is going down the Symantec path ...

Wonder if there is "new" management within Avast.....

Well, the CEO no doubt trod that path while a VP at Symantec.

"New" since when? There may be a cause/effect relationship between this trend and the hiring of a former Symantec Sales exec as CEO. Or it may just be a positive correlation with no causal implications ...

OMG !!!!!!!!.....I was absolutely kidding.....but did a Google: http://www.reuters.com/article/2009/07/08/idUS69353+08-Jul-2009+MW20090708
Wow....that explains a lot. :)  ....or as you said.....may be nothing.  :-\
Of course I'm a born conspiracy theorist.  8)
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Re: Poor scores At AV-Tests,what's going on avast?
« Reply #21 on: March 28, 2014, 11:41:19 PM »
Well he has been the avast! CEO for five years, so this policy didn't happen when he arrived.
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Re: Poor scores At AV-Tests,what's going on avast?
« Reply #22 on: March 29, 2014, 01:59:55 AM »
Well he has been the avast! CEO for five years, so this policy didn't happen when he arrived.

Perhaps not *immediately* after his arrival.

That doesn't preclude the possibility of his influence in the current direction apparently being taken. It's unlikely that it would be happening - aggressive marketing and up-selling - if he didn't approve. It's a strategy for company growth and profitability which would appear to be consistent with his past activities and successes at Symantec. As they say: "If the Foo s...s, wear it." But as I commented in another thread, this is probably
part of his mandate from the Board of Directors which hired him.

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Re: Poor scores At AV-Tests,what's going on avast?
« Reply #23 on: March 29, 2014, 11:54:30 AM »
Rejzor Come on dont be blind....Its not just evo-gen they later developed FilerepMalware.

And now FileString,FilrepMetagen and many more are seen to be working in the wild...agreed that deepscreen hadnt been so useful but since end of feb they are implementing and improving safemachine2 technology.

Deepscreen has improved since january...I am just curious to see how deepscreen performs when avast labs come back to their normal reaction times and recover the lost detection rate.

Still I would not compare avast to panda....Both are completely different...I guess panda updates in the cloud most of the time which is unlike avast.

I am very sure about sf detections I am seeing them in deepscreen since last month.I had like a bunch of them from my last 10 tests.

As Vlk said earlier,it is a one time failure and obviously they will make sure it will never happen again.

The reason why the scores fell soo low because it was not just the cloud but also the Virus database that got caught and suffered a set back as it was mentioned by setjko.I am sure this is happening with the VRDB for the first time.Enough said I am curious to see how avast does in upcoming months and then we can all have our opinions.  :)

Well,zerotox I do believe even during setbacks avast labs would have tried to keep up with real threat landscape out there which no test has ever shown.

Tests are mostly useless these days,they are just for geeks like us to make fog opinions on AV's.I dont think the average Joe even knows about Testing organizations.So what they use? well,they use their own experience to make comclusions on a AV program.And everyone is bound to find 1 AV and the other bad.

On the program Bug and bloat side,I would agree.They need to seriously get rid of all that crap.
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Re: Poor scores At AV-Tests,what's going on avast?
« Reply #24 on: March 29, 2014, 12:22:30 PM »
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Tests are mostly useless these days,they are just for geeks like us to make fog opinions on AV's.
or teenagers.....evrytime they see a new AV on top in a test, they reinstall...... and run full scan 10 times a day with evry free tool found on the net




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Re: Poor scores At AV-Tests,what's going on avast?
« Reply #25 on: March 29, 2014, 03:21:02 PM »
I'm not blind, i see perfectly well. Especially considering how long i'm following avast!. I think it's 10 years this year.
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Re: Poor scores At AV-Tests,what's going on avast?
« Reply #26 on: March 29, 2014, 04:11:15 PM »
I'm not blind, i see perfectly well. Especially considering how long i'm following avast!. I think it's 10 years this year.

You don't have to follow for 10 years to see the trend.
Just read the Forum and look at the "type" (and severity) of issues....just read other Forums and compare.....I do.
Then look at the results of A/V tests......of course there is always excuses, wonder what they would say if they were #1 ?
I'm betting all of a sudden the tests are valid, etc.

The bottom line is Avast has been head-and shoulders above the rest in usability and protection but as V8 and especially now V9 has come into play, as you said,....you'd have to be blind to not see the degrading in quality, the increase of absolutely useless bloat-ware (yes, you can easily get free packages that are much better than what Avast is "pushing").  I don't be-grudge them for wanting/needing to make money but IHMO they are going down the wrong road. 

Anyway, YES.....I'm still with Avast because I'm not so easy to give-up.....but they need to get rid of the marketing guys who are telling them the direction they are going is way of the future.  :'(
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Re: Poor scores At AV-Tests,what's going on avast?
« Reply #27 on: March 29, 2014, 04:38:59 PM »






Tests are mostly useless these days,they are just for geeks like us to make fog opinions on AV's.I dont think the average Joe even knows about Testing organizations.So what they use? well,they use their own experience to make comclusions on a AV program.And everyone is bound to find 1 AV and the other bad.


Then , please, explain why it is you have posted comment , and links to test results , again, and again, and again , month after month ?

Who is always first to post these useless test results ?
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Re: Poor scores At AV-Tests,what's going on avast?
« Reply #28 on: March 29, 2014, 04:51:37 PM »
Time for my two pennorth the only test is the one you do in your personal use of the computer, no infections good, infections bad :)

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Re: Poor scores At AV-Tests,what's going on avast?
« Reply #29 on: March 29, 2014, 05:02:17 PM »
Time for my two pennorth the only test is the one you do in your personal use of the computer, no infections good, infections bad :)

Ohhhh..........you are bringing logic and sanity to the discussion ?.......that is just not right.
If you are going to be rational then how can we complain about the "what if" and "why not" and "how come".
Essexboy, that is not playing fair. :)

OK.....I'll bat the ball across the net.........here goes.
In your "self use test" scenario.....if you don't do any "bad" stuff on your PC then you don't need A/V at all.....so in this logic no A/V is just as good as Avast, and I rate Avast much higher than that.

Seriously, I think A/V (malware protection, etc.) is like an insurance policy.....you know you need it but not ever sure how much you need or how good it is until lightning strikes.  Thus, it is a balance of how much cost versus reward (protection) you need.  I think the point of all the above is that these tests "are" relevant in that this is how.....for better or worse.....things are compared.

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