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Re: I'm becoming worried, shocked with avast!
« Reply #15 on: July 29, 2005, 08:27:30 PM »
I totally understand you Tech. And i know that too because i submit loads of malware almost every day. They get detected eventually,but thats not enough.
Kav sux in heuristics (pretty much),but look what they managed to do just with signatures? But then you have too add signatures faster and release more updates.
I'm not saying Alwil should release VPS every hour,but daily updates would most probbaly make a difference. Hiring more analysts would also do the trick for sure (i'm not sure hows with that in Czech and education/knowledge level required for such position).
I'm on free Home edition,but i take my time and submit undetected malware.
And for good of Professional Edition users that payed for it i expect my samples to be added asap not 2 weeks later.
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Re: I'm becoming worried, shocked with avast!
« Reply #16 on: July 29, 2005, 09:34:48 PM »
Hello,

I agree with heuristics has nothing to do with it. I think I am on the right track to think that the question is much more of a fundamental thing. We are in a period where the scanner as a first line of defense is slowly loosing ground to a situation where a multi-layered protection of machines becomes inevitable. We are already in a situation that you cannot survive on the Internet without protection longer than say 10-12 minutes to be infected.
Simple surfing with only AV and FW is not enough. Of course a good signature scanner will always be needed, and it better be a good one. But as the malcreants change, the AV product is to change, no way around that. Develop protection on the one hand, and develop the awareness of the user on the other hand. The best line of defense is the human brain.

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Re: I'm becoming worried, shocked with avast!
« Reply #17 on: July 29, 2005, 09:51:24 PM »
multi-layered protection of machines becomes inevitable
Sure but... I want avast! better right now!  :(
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Re: I'm becoming worried, shocked with avast!
« Reply #18 on: July 29, 2005, 09:53:25 PM »
Why won`t someone from the avast team address our concerns in this thread?

I sent some samples about 4 weeks ago, they still have not been added.

Is there any point in me send anymore, if they won`t be added.

Avast used to reply to my e-mails about 1 year ago, now you get no reply!

Don`t avast understand by people sending in samples, that will help avast`s detection rate.

Lat time i checked the detection rates for avast, AVG and antivir were as follows:

avast 79.65%

antivir 84.50%

AVG version 7.0- 54.07%

I have considered switching to antivir but the updating for antivir takes too long, no automatic updates!


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Re: I'm becoming worried, shocked with avast!
« Reply #19 on: July 29, 2005, 09:57:59 PM »
Lat time i checked the detection rates for avast, AVG and antivir were as follows:
avast 79.65%
antivir 84.50%
AVG version 7.0- 54.07%
I agree with you but, again, this is not Heuristic or Virus comparison thread.
I hope they don't come here just to say: Oh, we already discussed a lot this...
I'm trying to force them to look into users' prayers for a better signature detection and faster samples analysis...
Maybe I'll stop posting as it's becoming useless after 15 days waiting...
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Re: I'm becoming worried, shocked with avast!
« Reply #20 on: July 29, 2005, 10:48:37 PM »
Why won`t someone from the avast team address our concerns in this thread?
Anyone from alwil please?We are worried guys!


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Re: I'm becoming worried, shocked with avast!
« Reply #21 on: July 29, 2005, 10:56:10 PM »
Maybe a lot of Alwil's staff is on summer holidays?

I hope that they'll be able to reply to this thread, and to your concerns. 

I appreciate that it must be challenging and demanding for Alwil to implement all of the virus recognition patterns etc (it must be daunting at times).   I truly hope that they'll be able to keep on top of things.  Otherwise users may jump ship.

Personally I'm very thankful for Alwil.  The free avast! home product is a gift.  And as the english expression says, "don't look a gift horse in the mouth"...  ;D  but I guess sometimes it is hard not to do?!  :-\


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Re: I'm becoming worried, shocked with avast!
« Reply #22 on: July 29, 2005, 11:04:09 PM »
Well it's hard not to do that when those using payable Professional Edition are facing the very same problem...
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Re: I'm becoming worried, shocked with avast!
« Reply #23 on: July 29, 2005, 11:21:06 PM »
Well it's hard not to do that when those using payable Professional Edition are facing the very same problem...
I'm one of those and i am feeling so sad right now  :(



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Re: I'm becoming worried, shocked with avast!
« Reply #24 on: July 30, 2005, 02:30:20 AM »
Well it's hard not to do that when those using payable Professional Edition are facing the very same problem...


D'oh!  I forgot about about the pay version.  Yes, I appreciate this...   :'(
I'd be especially concerned too if I had money invested in the product...

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Re: I'm becoming worried, shocked with avast!
« Reply #25 on: July 30, 2005, 02:14:56 PM »
Hi Darth.Mikey, Starfighter and others,

It is just a simple thought of me, and those people inherit the earth. Could not it be that AVAST fears the effects of false positives. I know in the past that specially in the East everybody launched Dr.Web on their machines, later to find that it caught viruses only Dr.Web had heard about and no other AV product. If this simple thought is not true, maybe it is like with some on line scanners that use Kaspersky definitions, but are not allowed to use the latest. Speculation, but in that case you need some other means to close the vulnerability gap. But your on line protection? Yes I can see some people are worried about the newest threats. Maybe we hear what is at the core of the problem!!

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Re: I'm becoming worried, shocked with avast!
« Reply #26 on: July 30, 2005, 02:23:21 PM »
False positives have nothing to do with this thread we just want to know what is going on with vps updates and sample analysys ;)

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Re: I'm becoming worried, shocked with avast!
« Reply #27 on: July 30, 2005, 02:27:18 PM »
False positives have nothing to do with this thread we just want to know what is going on with vps updates and sample analysys ;)

P.S:Looks like we won't get any answers soon :(

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Re: I'm becoming worried, shocked with avast!
« Reply #28 on: July 30, 2005, 03:49:30 PM »
Hi darth.mikey,

I have seen this topic re-appear over the last period in a series of threads.
Did anybody come up with some substantial news about this?
A double posting means you must feel like the one calling out in the desert.
I saw these postings, still I not much wiser here.
What is the point then of these messages? Is the forum an appendix or an on itself living entity?
if there is no feed-back from the people who have a main interest in this or from those responsible for this or the ones which are  hired in to do this, what is the point then. Vacation time or Ur-Pilsener?

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Re: I'm becoming worried, shocked with avast!
« Reply #29 on: July 30, 2005, 04:01:20 PM »
Polonus i wanted to edit my post if you must know and accidentally clicked quote and  when i realised what i've done it was too late  ??? I hope this is what you wanted to tell cause i don't quite understand what you are trying to say!  :-\


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