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Re: Avast NG renders Windows System Protection useless
« Reply #30 on: February 25, 2015, 04:39:49 PM »
Shakara,

why not install the 2015 RC1 and see if you like it or not ?

And it seems to me two things are mixed up.
System restore (windows) and avast restore.

And on a side note...
You want/tell Bob to stop, but he is not the only one that is sitting in the merry-go-round.
You are also.
Step out of it I would say ;)
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Re: Avast NG renders Windows System Protection useless
« Reply #31 on: February 25, 2015, 05:04:24 PM »
Yeah I know.. I already once ignored but he just keeps popping back again and again. It's just mad that one user comes here and gives NO evidence of what he's claiming, even against what the the COO of Avast says.

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Re: Avast NG renders Windows System Protection useless
« Reply #32 on: February 25, 2015, 05:30:30 PM »

The evidence is in the version I've asked you to try. Since that's not what you intend to do, then wait till
the final release comes out and find out at that time. End of the Merry Go Round.:)

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Re: Avast NG renders Windows System Protection useless
« Reply #33 on: March 09, 2015, 06:59:45 AM »
New relase Avast 2015 at this date not resolve issue.
Avast now set system protection space at 25% (down from 50%).
OMG! but you want let me to setting this option of windows seven as i like?
I want set my hdd space at 5%(are about 16gb), not is enough?
You are the new owner of the S.O.?


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Re: Avast NG renders Windows System Protection useless
« Reply #34 on: March 11, 2015, 02:40:29 AM »
Avast Fee 2015.10.2.2214 with the "Secure Virtual Machines" component installed will set Windows System Restore to 25% of the C: drive's capacity.  Lowering the system restore size will work only temporarily; the size will go back to 25% at some point while using the computer or when it's rebooted.  Removing the "Secure Virtual Machines" component resolves the issue.  Clearly this component remains broken in the current gold release of Avast.

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Re: Avast NG renders Windows System Protection useless
« Reply #35 on: March 11, 2015, 08:33:08 AM »
Avast Fee 2015.10.2.2214 with the "Secure Virtual Machines" component installed will set Windows System Restore to 25% of the C: drive's capacity.  Lowering the system restore size will work only temporarily; the size will go back to 25% at some point while using the computer or when it's rebooted.  Removing the "Secure Virtual Machines" component resolves the issue.  Clearly this component remains broken in the current gold release of Avast.

Hmmm, I guess that about settles it....

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Re: Avast NG renders Windows System Protection useless
« Reply #36 on: March 11, 2015, 11:09:29 AM »
Avast Fee 2015.10.2.2214 with the "Secure Virtual Machines" component installed will set Windows System Restore to 25% of the C: drive's capacity.  Lowering the system restore size will work only temporarily; the size will go back to 25% at some point while using the computer or when it's rebooted.  Removing the "Secure Virtual Machines" component resolves the issue.  Clearly this component remains broken in the current gold release of Avast.
What makes you say it's broken ??? The NG feature requires a certain amount of hard drive space.
I presume that Avast set 25% as the amount reserved for use by NG and Windows System Restore function.

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Re: Avast NG renders Windows System Protection useless
« Reply #37 on: March 11, 2015, 12:14:24 PM »
So Bob, no apologies for being wrong and creating this circus? Or do you still think that NG/Secure Virtual Machines works without system protection/restore? You came in this topic shouting allegations with no evidence, and were against what everybody else said, even Avast staff.

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Re: Avast NG renders Windows System Protection useless
« Reply #38 on: March 11, 2015, 03:43:47 PM »
So Bob, no apologies for being wrong and creating this circus? Or do you still think that NG/Secure Virtual Machines works without system protection/restore? You came in this topic shouting allegations with no evidence, and were against what everybody else said, even Avast staff.
I don't have a clue what your trying to say or relay ???
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Re: Avast NG renders Windows System Protection useless
« Reply #39 on: March 12, 2015, 02:28:48 AM »
Hi Bob,

Perhaps broken isn't quite right because I don't know whether the Avast programmers intended to take up so much system restore space; if indeed this was the intention, then the feature isn't broken but rather working as designed but designed poorly.  In my case, 25% of my C: drive is approximately 60GB.  Including the 2.5GB i normally devote to system restore, Avast is taking up almost twice as much space as everything else on my C: drive:  the operating system itself plus numerous applications.  To me, and I've been in computer support environment for well over two decades, it's ludicrous for Avast to require this much space; arguably, there's no logical reason for it.  One could take my entire Win7 installation minus my own apps and run it in a virtual machine in far less space.  From a customer standpoint, no program should require 60 GB.  Another serious problem this creates is that how does one back up their C: drive?  My C: drive is typically in the 38GB usage range' so now I have to back up an additional 60GB?  True, I can just delete all the restore points but then I lose actual valid restore points.   As has been stated previously, this effectively negates the entire point of system restore. 

What I also find a bit disturbing is that I couldn't find anything in Avast's documentation or release notes that states this new feature requires 25% of one's primary drive.  After a couple of days of resetting my system restore size and running multiple virus scans, Google led me here.  If Avast is working as intended, the system requirements should have stated the drive space needed.  Either way, a 25% space requirement is well beyond any reasonable expectation of what an antivirus program should need.    I do appreciate the technology that's being put forth to fight viruses, just don't take away such a huge chunk of my drive to do it.

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Re: Avast NG renders Windows System Protection useless
« Reply #40 on: March 12, 2015, 09:49:03 AM »
@ mprefix,
I've reported your reply to a Moderator. Let's see if we can get Avast to respond to your concerns.
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Re: Avast NG renders Windows System Protection useless
« Reply #41 on: March 12, 2015, 01:05:17 PM »
That's pointless IMHO because Avast has told that NG/Secure Virtual Machines stops using Windows system protection/restore in "R3" version, which is estimated to come in June/July.

And the crux of the argument with Bob is this:

Ok, that's from another topic. So it's at least 3 months before NG works without system protection/restore.
It's fixed now in the latest beta release:
https://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=166576.msg1185874#msg1185874
He claims that Avast NG/Secure Virtual Machines is already not using system protection/restore, which is not true at all.

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Re: Avast NG renders Windows System Protection useless
« Reply #42 on: March 13, 2015, 01:57:46 AM »
Thanks Bob, I appreciate your help.

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Re: Avast NG renders Windows System Protection useless
« Reply #43 on: March 14, 2015, 02:02:12 PM »
Avast is using all my drive space with system restore points... I try to reduce the limit of system restore points but somehow, avast changes it :(
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Re: Avast NG renders Windows System Protection useless
« Reply #44 on: March 14, 2015, 10:23:24 PM »
Hi Lisandro,

I think it would be helpful to the Avast folks if listed the specific version of Avast.  Looks like there may be a combination of rlease candidate and gold versions being used in this discussion thread.