hi, have performed several clean install's, firsty removinc avast with removal tool. look, with https turned off in sandboxie its not that big a deal. i originally posted because i wanted a workable solution, and that actually is one. if i need to use browser outside of sandboxie i'll switch it on. i only posted back to velociraptor cos i couldnt make sense of the link supplied in the context of "the sandboxie issue" it doesnt even mention what sandboxie issue, is it same issue? ....if anyone else can then im listening, but thats about as far as it goes, i wanted to respond because velicoraptor took the time to post, im not sure what the link is all about, but i think a response is always required in forums....but problem, while not solved, is at least worked around....and again to you too eddy, replies appreciated as ever, but workaround will do. if it gets resolved in future releases great, if not, what the hell. thanks again.