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Re: Have you heard of Flock?
« Reply #30 on: October 29, 2005, 06:29:08 AM »
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tryin to get another forum shut down bob?
Before opening your mouth, please get your facts straight.  Thanks :)
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Re: Have you heard of Flock?
« Reply #31 on: October 29, 2005, 06:32:24 AM »
I might not say much but I see all the daggers your`e throwing.  ;)

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Re: Have you heard of Flock?
« Reply #32 on: October 29, 2005, 06:34:36 AM »
No daggers, just facts. ;D
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Re: Have you heard of Flock?
« Reply #33 on: October 29, 2005, 06:45:26 AM »
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Re: Have you heard of Flock?
« Reply #34 on: October 29, 2005, 06:46:47 AM »
makings of a good moderator there :D

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Re: Have you heard of Flock?
« Reply #35 on: October 29, 2005, 06:56:08 AM »
Bob has been here for awhile so my guess is that he would not by any means to try to get the site put down. Hes to nice anyway  ::) I can't blame him for what he does. I and everyone else lives a good life and those two who were fighting well... thats just stupid fighting over such a thing  :-\

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Re: Have you heard of Flock?
« Reply #36 on: October 29, 2005, 01:41:15 PM »
Hello Inu-Ya,

What I cannot seem to grasp is why people like Mastertech, who must know, and bob3160, who must have heard this too, always beat about the bush when the opposition open software closed software is concerned. Can one do the same with the one as with the other? In that case there would not be any reason for Flock.
Maybe Neal, FwF, and I do not know what we are talking about. Or because we like to have the code to work upon makes us sort of heretics. Why is there for instance AJAX developed, a language that is very basic for Flock site application, webmail and such, and MS has to launch their own version coming fall?
The reasons for this Mastertech and bob3160 never even touch, they just like to use it without further ado.

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Re: Have you heard of Flock?
« Reply #37 on: October 29, 2005, 03:30:36 PM »
Providing links to pages that don't display as intended in firefox or opera or any other alternative browser doesn't mean that it is the fault of the browser.

That is too simplistic an answer, you have to identify the cause, if it non-compliance with standards (using proprietary html tags, etc.) in the coding of pages then browser that conform to standards will obviously not display it in the same way as the browser that doesn't comply with standards yet understands the proprietary coding. If that is not the issue then yes it is the fault of the browser, but first you have to identify that.

So simply saying the browser is at fault because it doesn't display the page as the designer intended. I designed a number of web sites and one of the biggest hassles was cross browser support and the minor differences in display to the major failures in display.

IE is tolerant to errors and sloppy coding such as failing to put in a closure tag, especially when this is in a table, IE assumes a closure prior to the next opening tag. So there are ties when IE helps with poor coding and displays it as the designer expected and sometimes it makes a right hash of it in trying to guess what was intended.

However, standards compliant browsers don't make this adjustment and attempt to display the page exactly as coded, so tables, columns, etc. would break if incorrectly coded until the designer found the error.

The use of a standards compliant validation program should point out these errors and hopefully give a better cross browser support. But it does mean extra time in development. When IE had in the high 9x% share of the browser market, this seemed to be a waste of time and effort. Now with that share dropping it is in the interests of companies not to restrict access to their web sites and insist on standards compliance from their developer/s. This would ensure better cross browser support.
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Re: Have you heard of Flock?
« Reply #38 on: October 29, 2005, 03:53:44 PM »
tryin to get another forum shut down bob?

No he is not trying anything and stop telling that... you need to know everything to be able to judge.

Mastertech is trying to "open" some eyes and it's not going to work in this forum... as long as we have all those "all-knowing" brains that even don't wanna listen and try to admit when they are wrong... people, why is so hard to notice that Mastertech is a walking encyclopedia ? Is it so hard to understand few things ?

I am sick and tired of all those Pro-Firefox and anti-Microsoft and anti-IE stories... try to tweak some things inside your OS, rather than bashing everything that's Microsoft related. I also believe that these forums are not meant for those topics at all.
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Re: Have you heard of Flock?
« Reply #39 on: October 29, 2005, 04:31:24 PM »
Hello S.Z. Craftec,

We have listened here very carefully to what Mastertech has to tell us, and we are the first ones to implement some of the things he says. The discussion on obsolete paradigm and myths is refreshing, and that is of course taken over in our attitudes. But I will never spell my required  insights as the gospel. I like to hear argument pro and contra and then make up my own mind. We have to unite and not divide.
If everybody agrees in a discussion, you cannot get any further. When at the end of the line everybody agrees on some lessons learned, then we have achieved far more. I like to learn new insights, also those of Mastertech, and I want to help security further. So I will always treat other people with due respect  ;). Try Flock and see for yourself.

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Re: Have you heard of Flock?
« Reply #40 on: October 29, 2005, 04:49:29 PM »
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 I like to hear argument pro and contra and then make up my own mind. We have to unite and not divide.
If everybody agrees in a discussion, you cannot get any further. When at the end of the line everybody agrees on some lessons learned, then we have achieved far more. I like to learn new insights, also those of Mastertech, and I want to help security further. So I will always treat other people with due respect  ;). Try Flock and see for yourself.

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Hi Polonus,

Exactly, and that is my point to. We need to work as a team, and not trying to prove one to another who is right and who is wrong. It's not a good picture for new members at all. What will they think of us ? If they see a group of forum regulars, evangelists or call us whatever you want, is arguing and constantly "pinching" each other, especially arguing about those "touchy" computer security related things, they could easily get an impression that we have no clue what we are talking about... will they ask for our opinion next time when they come in here asking for a help ? I don't think so... all they could think is that we alone have no clue what we are talking about. There are much nicer ways of discussing things than throwing the ball in each other's yard... and worst of all, throwing the ball right into other side's face. That's not a solution IMHO...

All I'm saying, it's obvious that Mastertech knows his business. Let's not throw his talents away... ok, maybe he needs to bring that stuff up some other way, somehow so people won't take it as "I know and you people have no clue", but I see exactly the same arguments from the other side as well... let's try to communicate like adults, I am sure we all can lear a lot from each other. NO ONE knows everything, and if we stick together, we all will learn much more than we know right now.

Cheers !

EDIT: Btw, that picture in your attachment... it looks much more like racoon than like fox  ;D  ;D  ;D
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Re: Have you heard of Flock?
« Reply #41 on: October 29, 2005, 05:51:57 PM »
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I'm not interested in your link.
Ignore facts, it is the only way you can continue the argument.

My apologies for not reading your link: I thought you were sending me to learn about Socrates.

Actually the link just says exactly what DavidR has said above and I said before:

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By design, Firefox does not display web pages exactly the way Internet Explorer does. On the one hand, there are W3C standards and on the other hand, the way IE works. They are different. Firefox and Mozilla and Opera have opted to obey the W3C standards so page rendering differences between all these browsers and IE are to be expected. I run a few web sites and stumbled across some of my own HTML coding sloppiness that IE let slip by but Firefox did not.

While Firefox and Mozilla are to be applauded for conforming to the "standards", the unfortunate net result for the user is that pages display differently, sometimes quite differently, in alternate browsers. Then too, the popularity of Internet Explorer and the laziness of web site designers results in many web sites that are only tested against IE.  Should Firefox/Mozilla gain in popularity, perhaps webmasters will also test their sites to see how they render with these browsers.

I think Neal is right to say we should leave this thread to people wanting to post their evaluations of Flock.

But if you do have a web site, check it is cross browser compliant like Mastertech so we can all view it correctly whatever browser we use.
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Re: Have you heard of Flock?
« Reply #42 on: October 29, 2005, 06:01:40 PM »
It almost sounds like we are finally getting people to agree that it's ok to disagree. :)
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Re: Have you heard of Flock?
« Reply #43 on: October 29, 2005, 06:04:22 PM »
tryin to get another forum shut down bob?

Why do you mean by another?

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Re: Have you heard of Flock?
« Reply #44 on: October 29, 2005, 07:51:08 PM »
Well dear posters in this thread,

Lets turn the discussion 180 degrees around, and let me start telling you what I particularly like about the Flock Developer Preview version 0.4.9. Improvements were made I think in relation to Firefox where tools options is concerned, there you will find general (for Avast Webshield, it runs there now, hug and snug),
-  Privacy: with settings for cookies, cache history, passwords, cached forms, download history,
- Content here you can block pop ups, get install warnings for extensions and themes, block or allow java and javascript.
- You have options for tabs,
- Advanced options (smooth scrolling, keyboard settings), and
- Blogging options.
I particularly like like the Java Script console and the DOM_inspector.
You have a Blog editor and Shell, Flock Feeds, just when you are into that.

You can adjust text size, page style in View.
- Extensions I have are AdBlock, NoScript, CookieCuller (the last one ported from FF with a tool FF to Flock).

For me Flock is faster than FF. Irritating can be the sound it makes on loading a new page. A thing reminding me of Bazooka.

As I said the tweakability goes further than FF, and it may be the better browser in the longer run. Let us wait and see.

I just do not touch IE (In XP SP 2 it is also a very safe reliable browser, fully pateched and updated of course).

-Iif you want to give IE the character of FF you can download Foxie to give it some of Firefox characterizations at www.getfoxie.com.

For those who live in the States Flock needs new developers, if you are good scripters (JS and AJAX), they invite these people to build the first real release. I am anxious for it to come out.

I like to thank all the members of this thread that have posted here, and will post. It will certainly help security wise. Browsers are/were one of the first routes of malware to a computer.
Making browsers safe must be a first priority.

yours truly,

polonus


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