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Re: Suspicious
« Reply #15 on: November 22, 2005, 04:55:02 PM »
I've spotted the relevant words 'outbound messages' in the Note section, so it would only effect the sender and not the recipient, which to me doesn't make sense.
If it is suspicious when it is sent, it should still be suspicious when it is received ???
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Re: Suspicious
« Reply #16 on: November 22, 2005, 05:06:05 PM »
Exactly, and that's exactly what I'm thinking... but regardless of those settings, and what the line up there (NOTE) says, if avast! is checking the subject of those messages when they are leaving your outbox, IMHO it should also check them before they arrive in your inbox, right ?
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Re: Suspicious
« Reply #17 on: November 22, 2005, 05:08:56 PM »
And guess what... I just sent one message without a subject line to myself... no warning when sending, nor when I received that same message... I see avast! is checking the message (blue bar down there by the taskbar) and every single message is signed by avast!
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Re: Suspicious
« Reply #18 on: November 22, 2005, 05:32:31 PM »
Exactly, and that's exactly what I'm thinking... but regardless of those settings, and what the line up there (NOTE) says, if avast! is checking the subject of those messages when they are leaving your outbox, IMHO it should also check them before they arrive in your inbox, right ?
Can't Vojtech or Forejt say something about this?

And guess what... I just sent one message without a subject line to myself... no warning when sending, nor when I received that same message... I see avast! is checking the message (blue bar down there by the taskbar) and every single message is signed by avast!
This is even stranger  ::) ???
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Re: Suspicious
« Reply #19 on: November 22, 2005, 07:31:26 PM »
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This is even stranger 
We are now well into page 2 and still no word from Alwil that's what's strange.....
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Re: Suspicious
« Reply #20 on: November 22, 2005, 07:47:53 PM »
And guess what... I just sent one message without a subject line to myself... no warning when sending, nor when I received that same message... I see avast! is checking the message (blue bar down there by the taskbar) and every single message is signed by avast!
Snap, just done the same sent email with no subject with Internet Mail on High and no Suspicious message and obviously no inbound warning. Weird.
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Re: Suspicious
« Reply #21 on: November 22, 2005, 08:53:36 PM »
I told you, I'm not making it up  ;D  ;D  ;D

It looks like Bob is the only one who ever saw that message... actually I saw it as well when he sent me screenshot in following e-mail.

Ghosts maybe ? ...or this time little goblins ?  ;D
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Re: Suspicious
« Reply #22 on: November 23, 2005, 06:01:15 AM »
Depends on the heuristics level. On High, it does warn for these kinds of things. On normal, it should not.

Anyway, the "       Me        " sender address is also sort of weird, isn't it? Why the white spaces? Do you know that some worms use this technique to hide the actual value (by relying on the fact that the text will be too long and Outlook [or other mail client] will clip it)?


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Re: Suspicious
« Reply #23 on: November 23, 2005, 06:09:49 AM »
Depends on the heuristics level. On High, it does warn for these kinds of things. On normal, it should not.

Anyway, the "       Me        " sender address is also sort of weird, isn't it? Why the white spaces? Do you know that some worms use this technique to hide the actual value (by relying on the fact that the text will be too long and Outlook [or other mail client] will clip it)?


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It's not suspicious, it's a screen shot in which I deleted and edited certain personal information. Just as it doesn't show the actual e-mail addresses used.
Also, My settings aren't set to high as you can see from the screen shot.
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Re: Suspicious
« Reply #24 on: November 23, 2005, 12:34:09 PM »
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Anyway, the "       Me        " sender address is also sort of weird, isn't it? Why the white spaces? Do you know that some worms use this technique to hide the actual value (by relying on the fact that the text will be too long and Outlook [or other mail client] will clip it)?
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@Vlk - Yes, just as Bob already mentioned "      Me      " is just added (retouched) part of the screenshot. He just erased original information not wanting to make his e-mail address and sender's name public. See those white lines, he actually removed original information and added some non-existing info, just to fill up the space.

@Bob - you didn't have to add "    Me   " or anything for that matter, you could just simply bloor all those original information to avoid confusion.

Depends on the heuristics level. On High, it does warn for these kinds of things. On normal, it should not.

Well, that's really weird in this case... Bob's settings are set to NORMAL and still he gets those missing subject line warnings... DavidR and I, both have set our heuristics level to HIGH or CUSTOM (with high-like settings) and neither one of us is getting those messages... whether we try to send e-mails without the subject line, or we try to receive them...  :o

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Re: Suspicious
« Reply #25 on: November 24, 2005, 06:49:37 PM »
Hi guys, there are two similar "subject check" fields in heuristic, but with different meaning. First one is "Subject structure check" and is located on Customize dialog. This check enables/disables warning for empty subject (for all heuristic level it's disabled, you must turn on manually). In "summary" window it's noticed as "* Message structure check".

Second "subject check" is located on Heuristics - Advanced page. In "summary" window it's noticed as " - Check according to subject". If this option is enabled, avast! will warn you when there are emails (defined count) with identical subject sent from your computer in defined time (you can also make recognition not only according to subject, but also according to name of attachment - it's check-box "Check attachments"). This functionality is called "Outbound messages - Time period check". It's enabled for HIGH level (you cannot change values) and for CUSTOM (you can change everything). Hope this helps...

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Re: Suspicious
« Reply #26 on: November 24, 2005, 07:36:55 PM »
Thank Pavel
But mine is set to normal and when I looked at the settings, the one for check subject is NOT ckecked by default.
Was this just a fluke???
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Re: Suspicious
« Reply #27 on: November 25, 2005, 10:44:39 AM »
Hi, so you have set Internet Mail sensitivity to "Normal" (it means that Heuristic sensitivity is Medium) and you are warn by avast! when sending e-mail with empty subject? thanks for info...

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Re: Suspicious
« Reply #28 on: November 25, 2005, 04:36:54 PM »
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It happened that one time as you can see from the screen shot.
I just sent an e-mail to one of my other addresses  again without a subject but this time I didn't get the
suspicious warning. I haven't touched any settings so I really don't know what's going on.
Maybe like Sasha said..... goblins... ???
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