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Offline Be Secure

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Re: Sorry, but your product and whole company is one big mess
« Reply #75 on: April 13, 2016, 01:47:21 PM »
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I'd like to see Avast split their products...........one is Avast A/V....call it Avast System Protection.
The FREE is just the shields........the paid Premiere......has the other "protection" like SecureDNS, Firewall, Sandbox, HomeNetwork Security & Secure Virtual Machines.
-1.I disagree with you.Make it Original Avast! like version 7 & 8.Without AD's and unnecessary items :)

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Look how MalwareBytes markets their products.
Does not need to follow MalwareBytes.If it goes down then Avast! also.So no need of that.
One thing is that MalwareBytes is a Second Opnion Scanner not an AV
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Re: Sorry, but your product and whole company is one big mess
« Reply #76 on: April 13, 2016, 03:12:58 PM »
I agree that the products should be split. The free version should be just the basic AV with none of the stuff like browser cleanup, safe Zone, software updaters, and all the other unnecessary fluff. I know you can choose to not activate most of those things but I just don't think they need to  be included in the first place. If they are to be free, then they should be separate downloads for those who want them. The bloated nature of the free version is probably the biggest reason why I don't use it. I also think that including all of those things in the free product leaves very little, if any, incentive to purchase the paid products. When I was paying for AIS, the only reason for it was to have the Safe Zone browser. Now that is free as well. Why buy the paid products? It doesn't seem like good business.

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Re: Sorry, but your product and whole company is one big mess
« Reply #77 on: April 13, 2016, 03:13:08 PM »
One thing is that MalwareBytes is a Second Opnion Scanner not an AV

yet another wrong statement, sigh ... true maybe years ago ...
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Re: Sorry, but your product and whole company is one big mess
« Reply #78 on: April 13, 2016, 03:17:34 PM »
One thing is that MalwareBytes is a Second Opnion Scanner not an AV

yet another wrong statement, sigh ... true maybe years ago ...
No, it is true, especially of the free version.

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Re: Sorry, but your product and whole company is one big mess
« Reply #79 on: April 13, 2016, 07:02:33 PM »
Avast free version should not have all this junk in it.  Its should be a much lighter program and not have things forced upon us either.

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Re: Sorry, but your product and whole company is one big mess
« Reply #80 on: April 13, 2016, 07:16:38 PM »
I absolutely agree that Avast Free should be the basic AV Shields with the option to install 'SafeZone Browser' for Financial Transactions.
Having said that, the fact that Avast has engaged in "Proliferation Advertising" and the inclusion of many unwanted tools/modules is obviously geared to "forced consumption", unfortunately I don't see the direction changing just because a few "long time users" including myself have stated their concerns.
Profit before People.
I would be extremely surprised/astonished if any of this actually changed the state/direction Avast is in now! 8)

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Re: Sorry, but your product and whole company is one big mess
« Reply #81 on: April 13, 2016, 07:35:06 PM »
So if it is just "profit before people," as we all know, How is Avast going to change its ways based upon all the negative feedback by us?  Avast is just going to lose more people and long time users such as myself will refuse to upgrade, despite those annoying popups.  There was quite an outrage over the forced installation Safezone browser, and that topic was locked.  That topic should have been left open.  It shows that Avast treated customers with no respect at all.  An apology would go along way.
But I do not foresee Avast acknowledging there was an error and it infuriated people so much that many uninstalled.  So Avast, what say you make a formal apology and see how people react and next time don't treat us as guinea pigs with your experiments.

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Re: Sorry, but your product and whole company is one big mess
« Reply #83 on: April 13, 2016, 08:24:32 PM »
I absolutely agree that Avast Free should be the basic AV Shields with the option to install 'SafeZone Browser' for Financial Transactions.
Having said that, the fact that Avast has engaged in "Proliferation Advertising" and the inclusion of many unwanted tools/modules is obviously geared to "forced consumption", unfortunately I don't see the direction changing just because a few "long time users" including myself have stated their concerns.
Profit before People.
I would be extremely surprised/astonished if any of this actually changed the state/direction Avast is in now! 8)

I wouldn't hold my breath on it changing.

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Avast is the leading consumer security software company, protecting over 200 million users around the world from viruses, spam and other security and privacy threats on their mobile devices, PCs and Macs as well as to improve performance. Based in the Czech Republic, it has industry-leading margins through unique technology and a highly efficient, low cost infrastructure and has grown sales, earnings and cash flow rapidly by promoting a global sales model of providing highly-rated software free to users whilst adding extra functionality if they pay a basic annual subscription (a "Freemium" business model). In addition, it generates revenue from the distribution of complementary software from partners to its user base.

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Re: Sorry, but your product and whole company is one big mess
« Reply #84 on: April 14, 2016, 02:15:13 AM »
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I'd like to see Avast split their products...........one is Avast A/V....call it Avast System Protection.
The FREE is just the shields........the paid Premiere......has the other "protection" like SecureDNS, Firewall, Sandbox, HomeNetwork Security & Secure Virtual Machines.
-1.I disagree with you.Make it Original Avast! like version 7 & 8.Without AD's and unnecessary items :)
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Look how MalwareBytes markets their products.
Does not need to follow MalwareBytes.If it goes down then Avast! also.So no need of that.
One thing is that MalwareBytes is a Second Opnion Scanner not an AV

MBAM Pro is active protection....but obviously for malware.....not A/V.
I meant "how" MalwareBytes "markets/segments" their products.....their do excellent job of keeping them "segmented" and not poluting their core product expertise with other offerings.
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Re: Sorry, but your product and whole company is one big mess
« Reply #85 on: April 14, 2016, 02:30:24 AM »
I absolutely agree that Avast Free should be the basic AV Shields with the option to install 'SafeZone Browser' for Financial Transactions.
Having said that, the fact that Avast has engaged in "Proliferation Advertising" and the inclusion of many unwanted tools/modules is obviously geared to "forced consumption", unfortunately I don't see the direction changing just because a few "long time users" including myself have stated their concerns.
Profit before People.
I would be extremely surprised/astonished if any of this actually changed the state/direction Avast is in now! 8)

I wouldn't hold my breath on it changing.

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Avast is the leading consumer security software company, protecting over 200 million users around the world from viruses, spam and other security and privacy threats on their mobile devices, PCs and Macs as well as to improve performance. Based in the Czech Republic, it has industry-leading margins through unique technology and a highly efficient, low cost infrastructure and has grown sales, earnings and cash flow rapidly by promoting a global sales model of providing highly-rated software free to users whilst adding extra functionality if they pay a basic annual subscription (a "Freemium" business model). In addition, it generates revenue from the distribution of complementary software from partners to its user base.

http://www.cvc.com/Our-Portfolio.htmx?ordertype=4&itemid=10391414043001

And because it is "money" before "quality" (not people) Avast is sucking in the A/V tests, releasing 3rd party crapware, using 3rd party extortion support companies, forcing "pushware" and untested utils to threaten the very PCs/Users they claim to want to protect.  They stand behind their "200million and strong" facade but it is a house of cards when it starts to crumble.  When you can lose folks RejZoR and see the Evangilists and Super Posters all in sync then it is not the quantity of complaints but the pedigree of those complaining that should be taken of notice.  Do some Googling....this is not only place people at in outrage of Avast.  Sure, any number looks small to 200M.......assuming you believe their inflated #s.  Bottom line, is other A/Vs are better and don't pose risk like Avast does to your PC.  VLK has come and commented they want to address and turn around.....the only question is are the people at Avast who see the issues and want to make change in any position to influence the bean counters who just want the money at all costs.  The answer is probably no.......and so the it begins as NERO and other once great software packages fold to so called "specialists" that think they know how to build/market a better mouse trap.

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Re: Sorry, but your product and whole company is one big mess
« Reply #86 on: April 14, 2016, 05:25:53 AM »
Do some Googling....this is not only place people at in outrage of Avast. 
This is true.  I stumbled upon this thread after I came here just to see if people were finding alternatives.  I am considering moving all friends and family off of Avast due to the forceware, growing bloat and ads.  Seems more effort is put into those than improving the resource usage and detection rate which is slipping compared to other AV software.  Did a lot of extensive searching on other forums, on reddit, etc. and am seeing growing negativity towards Avast and people suggesting alternatives with better detection and lighter weight.  I had no idea they had been bought out but it all makes sense now and I can't see this changing for the better.  Disappointing, especially after being an Avast user for so many years.

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Re: Sorry, but your product and whole company is one big mess
« Reply #87 on: April 14, 2016, 01:45:03 PM »
One thing is that MalwareBytes is a Second Opnion Scanner not an AV

yet another wrong statement, sigh ... true maybe years ago ...

https://support.malwarebytes.org/customer/portal/articles/1834872-does-malwarebytes-anti-malware-replace-antivirus-software-?b_id=6438

latest generation(s) of MB products are too low level (especially if you use theirs all-in-one product)
collisions with AVs do happen and overall it's not worth to have low level drivers eats each other ...

also note that 'antivirus' or 'antimalware' classification obsolete ... technically any badware including ransomware is malware

so antivirus term went obsolete over time it's just popular ... but this is rhetoric point and clutters this discussion

back on point, Avast needs to be clean, security oriented suite and any bonus shall be really 'bonus' not 'clutter' fog overlay
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Re: Sorry, but your product and whole company is one big mess
« Reply #88 on: April 14, 2016, 02:43:25 PM »
Look how downgrade Avast! protection in Jan-Feb/2016 AV-TEST Product Review and Certification Report -https://www.av-test.org/en/antivirus/home-windows/windows-7/february-2016/avast-free-antivirus-2016-160513/ When all of others is improved their protection,avast! remain same/downgrade.
In AV-Comparatives Dec 2015 -Avast! was at 98.8 and in Feb 2016 -Avast! is 98.2 in Real-World Protection Tests:http://chart.av-comparatives.org/chart1.php   
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Re: Sorry, but your product and whole company is one big mess
« Reply #89 on: April 14, 2016, 03:59:57 PM »
In the scheme of things 98.8 isn't all that bad but for all the technology avast promotes in their products I would have expected better.

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