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Offline scott.wichall

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Re: MS Security Update for Meltdown
« Reply #30 on: January 05, 2018, 11:45:01 PM »
I have Avast and MalwareBytes.

I am on the Fall CU Windows 10.

No install of the MS patch until I uninstalled Avast and replaced it with Avira. Instantly the patch download became available so there is clearly still an issue with Avast (BTW I had Free, but I followed a link from the Free forum over here as it appears that prem customers are also suffering)

Offline Aditza

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Re: MS Security Update for Meltdown
« Reply #31 on: January 06, 2018, 01:00:45 AM »
i have the key in registry
Key="HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE" Subkey="SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\QualityCompat" Value="cadca5fe-87d3-4b96-b7fb-a231484277cc" Type="REG_DWORD”

BUT, its data is set to zero... does the data of the key value matter in any way? should it be set to 1? should i mess with it?

my Avast is updated but windows 10 x64 1709 still won't detect and offer to install the update... maybe the data of the key is the problem?

tested on 2 computers:
-notebook with I5-6200U cpu
-desktop with I5-3570 cpu

« Last Edit: January 06, 2018, 01:59:38 AM by Aditza »

Offline anapaulillabella

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Re: MS Security Update for Meltdown
« Reply #32 on: January 06, 2018, 01:29:30 AM »
Further information, I checked my registry and do not have the key I'm supposed to have.  Please advise.  Peter
CORRECTION:  I was looking in the wrong place in the registry.  I do have the required key.  However, MS update isn't providing the patch.  Should I wait until Tuesday or manually download and install the patch now?

Offline nashio

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Re: MS Security Update for Meltdown
« Reply #33 on: January 06, 2018, 01:56:43 AM »
Right after uninstalling Avast and checking for updates.

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Re: MS Security Update for Meltdown
« Reply #34 on: January 06, 2018, 03:57:45 AM »
rjsattler , TwasSnood , safeman
Didn't you tried "passive mode" rather than uninstalling avast ?

No I didn't try passive mode. I can try that on my other PC's running Avast that still aren't getting the update. And for those that have asked, I have not yet re-installed Avast on the computers I uninstalled the program from.

We know Microsoft is looking for antivirus programs before attempting to even download the patch. Many others have reported having an issue with other AV programs. I simply removed the roadblock as I saw it. We also know that Microsoft has made this patch a priority, therefore users should not expect to wait for the patch as if they are in a queue. If you are running Win10, the patch is available NOW. If you are running any version previous to Win10 (8.1, 8, 7), that patch will be coming on Patch Tuesday (Jan 9, 2018).

I will update this message after trying passive mode on the other PC's running Avast.

UPDATE: As suggested, I configured Avast for Passive Mode on the PC's with Avast still running on them. In both cases, the exact same result occurred: After the obligatory reboot to enable the changes to Avast, I went to Settings, then Update & Security, and clicked on the Check for Update button. Windows Update showed an update was available (it is the correct one) and downloaded the file. It then stated it was starting the installation and STOPPED before the update was complete. "Your device is up to date. Last checked: Today 7:10 PM". Further investigation shows that the patch was NOT installed.

In conclusion, Passive Mode does not resolve the problem, at least on my PC's. It appears that Microsoft sees that an antivirus is not actively monitoring the system and downloads the patch. But in the process of installing it, maybe it finds the presence of an AV program and fails so it doesn't potentially brick the system. This is just conjecture on my part based on research I've done on the problem today. YMMV.
« Last Edit: January 06, 2018, 04:34:36 AM by rjsattler »

Offline neonaus

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Re: MS Security Update for Meltdown
« Reply #35 on: January 06, 2018, 08:17:07 AM »
Hello,

I installed a fresh 1709 build today, installed avast and did all windows updates however noticed KB4056892  didnt show up at all, even after updating my Avast to lastest versions etc.

I then decided to download and manually install the KB4056892 patch from windows catalog, I did not check my qualitycompat reg thing prior to doing this, the patch installed without issue.

Can somebody please let me know if I've done the correct procedure? thanks

Offline Aditza

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Re: MS Security Update for Meltdown
« Reply #36 on: January 06, 2018, 11:41:13 AM »
i have the registry setting but did not receive the update from MS... decided to download it manually from the catalog and discovered there are actually TWO updates.. one of them (KB4058702) updates the updating system itself and should be installed before the other - Servicing stack update for Windows 10 Version 1709: January 3, 2018

https://www.catalog.update.microsoft.com/Search.aspx?q=1709%202018%20x64%2010

i'm currently installing  2018-01 Cumulative Update for Windows 10 Version 1709 for x64-based Systems (KB4056892)
will come back and edit this after it finishes correctly

edit: back after reboot, no BSODs so far and avast is running, even ran a smart scan :)
https://support.microsoft.com/en-gb/help/4056892/windows-10-update-kb4056892

« Last Edit: January 06, 2018, 12:08:09 PM by Aditza »

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Re: MS Security Update for Meltdown
« Reply #37 on: January 06, 2018, 12:08:06 PM »
No update with Avast installed. Removed Avast to change from Beta to Regular version.
A few minutes after the reboot, I saw this

Rebooted and the update had been applied

This needs to be addressed. I've already posted this on the developers channel
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Re: MS Security Update for Meltdown
« Reply #38 on: January 06, 2018, 12:09:11 PM »
The support of Windows has told me that it will be progressively implemented throughout these days, I hope that is so. It's already on the way, with Avast Premiere two and a half weeks ago and you do not have to update it. I hope that what Windows has told me is true.

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Re: MS Security Update for Meltdown
« Reply #39 on: January 06, 2018, 12:28:29 PM »
Here in Windows 10 the key in de register was missing.
After Avast repair (+reboot) the key appeared.
But I still did not get KB4056892.
Also running Windows update troubleshooter did not help.
IntelSA00086DetectTool say I am vulnerable !!
Any ideas ?
Do I wait till next Tuesday ?
Avast Repair > Control Panel > Programs and Features > Avast Antivirus > Change - from the next window select Repair.

Offline horchata

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Re: MS Security Update for Meltdown
« Reply #40 on: January 06, 2018, 01:22:49 PM »
Hi.

These days I had three laptops and one pc in my house, two without avast installed and two with avast (pc with avast internet security & portable with free avast).

The two laptops without avast have received the update on the same day three except those that have avast installed.

Well, after reading this post I decided to uninstall avast and when restarting I had the update available, I installed it and at the moment without problems.

Now my question is the following ¿reinstall avast?, I hope ?, I find it annoying that I pay for extra protection and that "protection" is what prevents my equipment from being safe.

I repeat my question reinstall avast? or what we do, greetings to all.

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Re: MS Security Update for Meltdown
« Reply #41 on: January 06, 2018, 01:30:59 PM »
Same here:
- 2 PCs, both with Avast, and both had the expeceted registry key set by Avast last micro-update.
- none had the Microsoft KB proposed by Windows Update
- removed Avast from one of the 2 PCs, and I had the Microsoft Update proposed

My question is: is there actually someone who had the Microsoft Update proposed with Avast installed ?
(I mean, if there is at least one person, then it could at least mean that things are "normal" - slow but "normal". If absolutely no one has had an update with Avast installed, then it's time for serious questions)

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Re: MS Security Update for Meltdown
« Reply #42 on: January 06, 2018, 01:43:36 PM »
I have a friend with another antivirus installed (avg) the problem is the same, there is no update.

Maybe the update has some relationship with windows defender and being disabled by having another antivirus running is nullifying the update (it's my guess).

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Re: MS Security Update for Meltdown
« Reply #43 on: January 06, 2018, 02:36:48 PM »
For all those who don't have the update appearing in windows updates.... just install the update manually from the windows catalog, works with avast installed and no problems, no need to uninstall avast or wait for windows to push the update out.

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Re: MS Security Update for Meltdown
« Reply #44 on: January 06, 2018, 02:52:22 PM »
For all those who don't have the update appearing in windows updates.... just install the update manually from the windows catalog, works with avast installed and no problems, no need to uninstall avast or wait for windows to push the update out.
It may work but it isn't right and needs to be addressed.
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